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SO someone had the bright idea to pour gasoline over a student from India and light him up, the guy lived, if that is what you call it. That is more than a little bit disgusting such cruelty baffles me. India has given a negative advice for travelers to go to Ozzyland, what the hell is going on over there?
Australians aren't keen on people being there in significant numbers who aren't white.
The Indian contingent is increasing in size and this is upsetting some "people".
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Irrational hatred of immigrants is not confined to the Netherlands or Muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Is there something you want to say to me? How long do I have to deal with that crap, it is perfectly possible to distinguish real and perceived problems. Or am I only just as good as people who pour gasoline over a person and put him on fire because he's from India.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
I don't think a slight was intended. ~:grouphug:
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Get a lot of them
So... Irrational slander is ok when you are a mod?Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
I dont think many old-timers doubt what (or who) you refer to... And that is just, well, wrong.
Get a grip, and dont post while drunk.
You now have an infraction, from me :whip:
I sincerely hope that Banquo did not mean that in the way it sounded. :bow:
Typical British understatement. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Yes, there is a problem with rascist :daisy:'s attacking Indians lately, but it's kind of interesting that you picked an attack that wasn't racially motivated to highlight the issue. This was just some random sickos who decided it might be fun to burn someones car whilst they were still sitting in it.
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Oh, and he wasn't a student either.
Banquo only stated something about irrational xenophobia. To what extent that xenophobia is expressed differs, in my opinion. I think we are all a bit xenophobic by nature.
Racism is a huge problem here. It doesn't surprise me that this happened.
On another new, there's something rotten in Italy too.
According to the latest news, the local population went onto a immigrant hunt after the riot, injured ~40 of them, sometimes with firearms, took the city hall and patrol the streets.
As much as I dislike what's happening, I'm not surprised. Maybe leftist intellectuals will someday understand that there's indeed a problem with immigration.
Dang racist whites. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Why are they upset at Indians coming to Australia?
I mean... If they all go to Australia, then there wouldn't be any more outsourcing to India! :smash:
@Meneldil: that Italy is going back to the Mussonlini days has been clear for quite a few years now... They even have their brownshirts patrolling Rome; if that isn't a disgusting sight I don't know what is.
I always find it odd how Australia has a significant racist sentiment yet visiting Sydney recently I was quite overwhelmed (in a good way) by the sheer number of Asian people. It was nice.
You should all lighten up about immigration to, I mean your sat on this fairly large continent and there's only 20 million of you. Quit hogging all the land (yes, aware that a significant portion of your country is just sand, but my point stills stands).
A large percentage of the population would probably welcome the return of the White Australia Policy.
A lot of hate that is directed towards asians in general is simply the "engrish". In the case of Indians, the national hate of Indian call centres is a major factor.
Particular areas are much worse. Can't say for anywhere but Brisbane. The riots a few years back down in sydney...
I wouldnt make an issue of the guy being indian. People of that age (anywhere from 12-mid twenties these days) go out to get drunk and start fight. Used to be about picking up the gals, but not anymore.
During my stay in Australia, I did get couple of racist comments, but over all, there wasn't that many unpleasant moments. In general, people there is nothing more then a nice lot.
When I start getting news about Indian bashing, I could'nt believe what I saw.
But most racial groups here live in enclaves, so people can avoid multiculturalism if they want to... and so many do.Quote:
Originally Posted by tibilicus
There are small pockets of idiots here. Walking around alone at night in some areas, walking through parks at night, all will increase your chances of something bad happening. There is probably a racist element to some of the attacks on Indians, but the Indian media have gone berserk, and are just as bad as the thugs and idiots here.
Tibilicus, the city is much more multicultural (especially Asian) than some suburbs, and there are also lots of tourist wandering around there too.
I don't know about Melbourne, where most of this stuff is happening, but it has been the crime centre of Australia for quite a while.
I can only speak for Sydney, and as CA said, while we have a broad amount of ethnicities within the city they tend to be in their own areas. For example, where I live there is a more general mix, due to it being a popular and youthful area. But, still it is predominately white. But, other areas like Chatswood (heavily Asian), the inner west (heavily Middle Eastern), etc, are very segmented.
My advice to Indians. Don't go to Melbourne, come to Sydney instead.
I guess I'm glad my family is white. My wife and daughter just returned to Melbourne today for a 3-4 month stay. Melbourne struck us as a safe and friendly city when we were there back in June-July. Spent 4 weeks walking the streets nearly every day and can't say any of us witnessed a racial incident during that time. Maybe we just didn't get to the right areas of the city though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
Come over to mah 'hood and I'll show you how we deal with you people. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregoshi
"You people"? ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
So do I, I thought being courteous in disagreement was our thing BG, if a moderator makes a comment like that new members get confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
It was out of character for the Backroom, and quite a jolt to read it.
Believe me I make no accusation out of ill feeling, being permanently and visibly solomon-like in a place like the backroom is an impossible task, and neatly describes why i would not want to be a backroom moderator; because i have far too much fun with visceral and violent debate. Banquo and the others have always done an excellent job, and have my absolute confidence.
But still, the comment struck me as off-kilter as soon as i read it too.
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In other news, the sad death of a true Brit:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...y-muggers.html
Good so it isn't just me. I am growing sick of these insinuations I made a mistake years ago and it was nothing more then a flirt. Give it a rest already, or less diplomatically, could you please :daisy:
Ok time to bring some facts into this case. I am from Melbourne the place where these attacks infact I am from the suburb where the lastest attack occured so I think I am fairly well placed to speak about these attacks.
Firstly race is not the issue here and it has being overblown by certain elements in the press. Yes Melbourne does have a violent crime problem but no more so then any other city and yes sometimes victims of these attacks are indian but there are plenty of examples of whites being attacked in the same manner. For example on the same weekend as the first indian attack there were two other stabbings both on whites. Australia has a far lower crime rate then India and anyway there is no evidence that any of these attacks were motivated by race.
On reflection, it was a badly worded comment and I apologise unreservedly.
I meant no offense.
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Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
I really hope you're caracaturing something, because otherwise this isn't funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
OT: Australia is a wierd one, whether it has something to do with the "convict colony" thing as a common history, or what, I don't know. Certainly there does seem to be a strong racist current in Australian culture.
I'd say it has more to do with the fact that all major parties in Australian politics up until the 1970s supported the White Australia Policy. In varying shades since then no Australian Party has fully supported broad immigration policies, and have instead decided to marginalise groups for electoral gain by creating a sense of Australia being under siege from immigrants, which is a claim that has no basis in reality. Thus those in power are creating a societal 'other' that they can easily blame for problems. Further, segments of the media push this anti-immigration line, despite the fact that the statistics tell a different tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
So yeah, I blame those with power and those with the power to stop those in power. A mythologised history, as you said, does undoubtedly play into the public consciousness, but that has been shaped very carefully by governments over various periods. Every government has had its own vision of our shared history and will glorify certain time-periods and aspects.
no probsQuote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
I'd agree that the good ol White Australia Policy still lingers in the hearts and minds of some (though my grandparents got through somehow!), and that feelings towards migrants have been manipulated and inflamed by various governments for their own end. I'd say that the Howard government (the previous, conservative govt) was (despite protestations to the contrary by them and fellow conservatives) quite egregious in this area, thanks to the above mentioned Tampa and Children Deliberately Thrown Overboard (but not actually as it turns out, but not the politicians fault of course, and look, they just happened to be Muslim! Whaddaya know, just before an election and soon after the Sept 11 attacks).Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Also, the Pauline Hanson circus, when the PM declined to call her a stupid bigot, and then proceeded to modify and steal her policies, and some more moderate rhetoric. Whatever his faults, at least Peter Costello was loud in his denunciations of her.
And there was the whole #*@$ up of the Mohamed Haneef saga, and the stupid government response, based on fear, paranoia, and a need to appear "tough" on terrorism, when the doctor was completely innocent, but was deported anyway. Also just months out from an election.
And then there was the OMG, Sudanese migrants are criminals saga, despite good ol Kevin Andrews (immigration minister to boot) not having any of that pesky evidence and statistics stuff to back it up. Whaddaya know, and election was in the offing then too - is there a pattern here?
However, despite the above incidents, Australia is generally a very welcoming country for migrants. After all, about 25% of the population was born overseas, and at least 7% of the population is 'Asian' (inc me). Thankfully, I'd say the change of government has generally improved the situation, with less fear mongering and inflammatory rhetoric. As with any country there are dodgy areas and people, but avoid those few and you should be fine.
Its a bad issue.
Would I welcome a return to the White Australia Policy, or something like it?
Yes.
Do I know why? No.
I have no problem with people of other ethnicities. Beefy is one of my best friends.
Drive through the main street of Moorooka (suburb in which i work, >90% population african immigration) and you can see why many people are not fans of immigrants. But then again, the tales that go around about people in ipswich (40-50km outside of CBD) and you wonder why we keep those australians.
Yeah, but we still have detention centres, even if they aren't as bad as Howard's. The continuation of all the racist aspects of the Northern Territory Intervention with the patronising rhetoric that goes along with that doesn't help either.Quote:
Originally Posted by aimlesswanderer
The effect Pauline Hanson (for non-Australians, think of something like the British National Party, but rolled into one woman...) was something that I had forgotten to mention as well. The fact that openly racist commentary has been allowed into our national discourse at some point or another means that people are more likely to get away with racism, simply because our politicians can as well.
Most people knew she was a joke though.
The Chaser on Pauline.
You're a descendant of European criminals; if you don't like immigration, then go back to Europe, you hypocrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
You know, I've been thinking, we should pack the entire human population into Tanzania. Or maybe Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
And then plant this one big special tree, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
I'm sure you saw my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
He's probably on his way back to siberia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Apparently, everyone on the planet standing side by side can fit into Texas.
I think Strike would be big on that idea.
Admittedly, Banquo's comment made me laugh. :blush: Though, I am not sure if was the same way everyone else saw it though.
Any figures on what the population density would be in that case?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
how's that chip coming along, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
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back on topic:
to me; pevergreens comment is merely evidence of my much derided concept of a shared social and cultural history.
the greater the commonality, the less friction points exist within a group, and the easier it is to rub along together.
i'm putting words in pevergreens mouth for which i apologise; but i imagine he goes through those badly integrated disctricts and recognises the tension that has arisen from those points of friction.
.......... but of course it couldn't be that, because as everyone on this forum knows we are all exactly the same, with exactly the same expectations and desires about what society should be, with identical aims and objectives as to how we wish to participate in that society..........
btw pever, if I was to visit Australia right now, would I make it out of there alive?
How badly do they hate the Japanese for whaling?
We know the difference between Japanese whalers and every-day Japanese citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Most people wouldn't care Beefy. Plus, I'd defend you. We leave japanese tourists alone, so you'd just have to go around with a camera, like we did that day.
Not entirely sure what you mean.Quote:
i'm putting words in pevergreens mouth for which i apologise; but i imagine he goes through those badly integrated disctricts and recognises the tension that has arisen from those points of friction.
@Megas: Yeah, I don't really have an excuse. I can trace back to the first fleet on my dads side and before that, to 1770's france.
on the other hand, every party in japans parliament supports whaling............ and they are in theory a representative democracy............Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Emphasis mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furunculus
maybe we ought to ask beefy if he's living in a dictatorship? perhaps there's something rotten in japan.............?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I guess your right. :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Furunculus
Our biggest two party who is battling for their ruling seat is practically completely the same.
@pever, CA
Thats good to hear. Reading some of the comments on Australian news got me worried. :sweatdrop:
We are all most comfortable with people like us, white Australians are more like each other than they are like African immigrants. Also, we want our children to look like us, and in Europe skin colour has become a major marker of identity, it used to be hair colour before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Don't worry about it too much, any one who claims not to be racist is lying. Just be aware it's there, in your subconcious.
You're the desendent of genocidal Asians who so obliterated the previous inhabitants of the continent that all that remains now are their stone tools, but who's counting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
Evolution is a racist! Evolution should be banned!Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Nope, sorry. http://www.primtech.net/Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
Bruce (I know him personally) has demonstrated that the first human inhabitants of America were probably from Southern France (related to modern Basques). This is because the earliest stone technology found in America is European, not Asian.
Ah. I thought you were talking about Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons. Regardless, interesting nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Wait, you're Japanese?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
And whale is tasty :yes:
Typical. It's always the Frenchies' fault. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Mind you, if I was going to wiped out, there are worse ways to go than being sent to oblivion by French girls in modern basques. (I think I read that right...)
I don't think the Neanderthals ever got to the America's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
Sadly Bruce was, virtually, hounded out of America for his discoveries; as he basically divested the Native Americans of the "Aboriginal" status.
I seen that as well on the History channel ages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
There was a Tribe in Southern France with an unique method of creating spearheads. Around 300-400 later, the same design appeared in America. Due to the climate at the time and how you can cross the altantic, they believed they followed game across the frozen sheets of the North Atlantic and settled in America.
But there is also the fact the Mongolians also went to America, crossing at Russia-Alaska, so hence why some native American population shares genes from Asian populations.
Come on, Fragony. Don't be so think-skinned. Banquo made some light-hearted banter, in reference to your many posts about Muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
We can't have a fun, lively debate if we are not allowed to sneak in some mischievous fun.
I suspect they glossed over the fact that the European Tech seems to suddenly dissapear, shortly after the arrival of the Asian version. The implication is (at least) cultural genocide, as the debate is finally hotting up now this may become a political topic in the next ten years, or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
But we're trying to breed back to that level. Soon Belgians won't be able to get in the top five in the Darwins as we'll have them locked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
:beam:
All the native Americans who currently inhabit northern Canada and Greenland, the Thule people, arrived from Alaska only in the 13th to 15th century. They genocided the Dorset people - who had been living in Canadaforeversince the 9th century, when the Dorset themselves arrived from Asia and genocided the peoples of Northern Canada.
This same Thule people is probably responsible for the genocide of Greenland's unique Vikingo-American culture.
That's two genocides in an area triple that of Québec, started only three centuries before the French settled Canada. The last remnants of the Dorset people, the original inhabitants of the continent Megas' ancestors (?) stole from them, died out only the century before the French arrived.
If only the French had arrived two, maybe three generations earlier, then we might have saved Northern Canada's real native peoples from these foreign genocidal maniacs...:smash:
nobody hates Asians. think of all the stereotypes about Asians. "Oh they are too smart." wow don't insult me too much. other races don't even have to worry about their women leaving them to Asians because yah know...... physical deficiencies.Quote:
I always find it odd how Australia has a significant racist sentiment yet visiting Sydney recently I was quite overwhelmed (in a good way) by the sheer number of Asian people. It was nice.
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So Australia has a significant anti immigration movement eh? though that story doesn't necessarily mean anything just sounded like some young jackasses.
Just about every Australian is racist to some extent, most people think all the racist steroetypes of immigrants, and sometimes the thoughts are even voiced, but the percentage of the population that actually wants to kick them out is rather small(it's still a lot of people of course, just a small percentage). For the most part, despite our racist thoughts, we are quite accepting of them. Like someone said before 25% of the population was born overseas, and almost 50% have at least one parent who was born overseas.
Lancashire (as Subotan will most likely comment on) is mostly an low level of melanin area of Britain. Only people of different melanin levels are pretty much working in the NHS or Foriegn Exchange student at University.
So all my interactions with people of other melanin levels have always been positive experience.
It is really strange, because all these comments racists/etc make, just seem really stupid. As my interactions have seem positive and all the comments racists make about them, I see from the locally born, low melalin level populace.
Though, I have to admit, going to Luton and ending up in a service station where I was the only low-level melalin person was a really weird experience.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by miotas
Unlike Howard: "We will decide who comes into this country and the conditions on which they come."
:laugh4: That quote/paraphrase is worthy of a Statue of Liberty spoof.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
The exact words were: “We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”
sounds very reasonable, who's complaining?Quote:
Originally Posted by miotas
Some people just have to blame others to explain their own shortcomings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
I stand corrected. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by miotas
I doubt it's just Australians, though the Colonies were always more insular and less accepting than Britain. As I said before, everyone is prejudiced.Quote:
Originally Posted by miotas
Question: Why should anyone be allowed to come to your country? A nation should be a polity, a socila arrangement between it's citizens. People coming to your country are applying to join your polity.Quote:
Originally Posted by miotas
Devon is the same, darker skinned people make me uncomfortable, on a gut level, and I think it's just because I didn't meet any when I was a child (at all).Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I think he was more specifically talking about asylum seekers. Basically he was telling them to go back to they country they came from and die or stay here and sit in a detention centre. This is an issue that I have a lot of trouble with personally, part of me says that I don't want all these stupid dirty boat people coming here and the other part says that they are people too and what right do we have to either a)lock them up for committing no crime or b)send them back to their country where chances are they will die?
I have no problem whatsoever with people who immigrate here legally. If a person wants to move here and get a job or study and raise a family or whatever they wish to do then I don't see why we should turn them away. They don't have to give up their traditions and assimilate(that's a bit of a dirty word), so long as they follow our laws then there isn't any reason to refuse them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
The people who wanted us to actually treat refugees humanely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furunculus
But wouldn't the whole idea of refugees help prevent the world wide revolution?
As if people had to stay, they would have to fight for what is right, thus bring about the change to bring justice back, opposed to running away from their problems.
In the part of Lancashire where I'm from, this is pretty accurate.Likewise my college is whiter than a ski resort for polar bears, as AFAIK there are a couple of black students, one or two muslims and maybe ten South Asians out of 1,500 students. Ofc, parts of Lancashire like Burnley have a very mixed population, and unfortunately, they tend to be the poorer parts of Lancashire, although I don't know if that's the cause or the effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
To be honest, I'm the same. Despite the fact that I was delivered by a Jamaican, I grew up in snow-white Belfast, and then a very monoethnic part of Lancashire. It's just unusual for me, although that feeling wuickly disappears after a few minutes of conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
That's cynical and inhumane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Unless of course you are sarcastic, but I don't know...
meh, i grew up in africa. not a problem.
What about the father who takes his wife and young child and flees certain death?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar