My thoughts and prayers go out to the people of Haiti. Please donate to the Red Cross and other charities.
And Pat Robertson can burn in hell.:no:
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My thoughts and prayers go out to the people of Haiti. Please donate to the Red Cross and other charities.
And Pat Robertson can burn in hell.:no:
A true tragedy.
From the US State Department:
And Ronin - that's a lot different than Mr. Robertson and shaky sourcing.Quote:
Private Offers of Assistance for Haiti Relief Efforts
Anyone wishing to donate or provide assistance in Haiti following the devastating earthquake that struck near Port au Prince on Jan 12, 2010, is asked to contact the Center for International Disaster Information. The Center, operated under a grant from the United States Agency for International Development's Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance and initial support from IBM, has become a valuable resource to the public, as well as US government agencies, foreign embassies and international corporations. CIDI has established a dedicated page to coordinate Haiti support at: http://www.cidi.org/incident/haiti-10a/
You can also text "HAITI" to "90999" and a donation of $10 will be given automatically to the Red Cross to help with relief efforts, charged to your cell phone bill. Or you can go online to organizations like the Red Cross and Mercy Corps to make a contribution to the disaster relief efforts.
CR
:furious3: He makes me so mad. I saw a clip of him talking about Haiti on the news tonight. Ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
Poor Haitians. First they get their forests cut up for charcoal, ruining whatever fertility they had, and now this. Although apparently, the poorer quarters were better off, as their shacks were too light to seriously injure someone if they collapsed. Of course, it won't change anything, and Haiti will probably continue to be dirt poor. A sad existence.
Yeah, the worst :daisy: always happens to the poorest wretches... I read a few years ago the Haitian GDP growth ground down to -4% just as a result of a single hurricane. And now this... How can one say there is a God and He controls nature if calamities befall randomly, on anyone, and only where it makes geologic sense?...
:shame:
As for Rush... Him showing some decency and wisdom will only come after after Putin becomes a hippie and apologises to Georgia... He stopped surprising me. The only question is such: Rush or beck - who is worse? Oh, and Palin will soon join. As if Fox had not already gathered the vilest and sauciest blockheads from all of US.
For those who wish to donate to aid the Haitians, beware the inevitable scams that are going to be out there.
Red Cross can get my donation from the 700k their co makes.
Nah, everyone in and near the Tropical line seems to get a lot of disasters recently, we have minor flood :furious3:
CNN was first with feet on the ground that I saw, with CBS ABC & NBC borrowing their clips. FOX is off in fantasy land talking elections 8 months away, as of last night.
I hope relief gets there soon. I saw video of a thousand people, sleeping in a park; someone shouted "Water", and they all ran, dropping their meager armful of stuff on the ground, in mob-panic, only to return, empty-handed, 30 minutes later when "Water" proved to be a hoax.
So is this a thread about the earthquake in Haiti or people venting their own political rant?
Or another perspective: As terrible as the plague was, didn't it lead to an improvement of life in Europe?
:skull:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
Don't count on it :no:
For one, Europe was pretty well off for its time, or at least not lacking the resources. Secondly, it was a once-in-a-several-millennia cataclysm. Anything less rarely spurs people into meaningful action. Even if Haitian wanted to, say, build better buildings, they lack the money and building materials to do so.
er, which plague and how exactly did a plague directly lead to "an improvement of life in europe"???Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
This is the Backroom, not the monastery.Quote:
Originally Posted by alh_p
Edit: Being an enlightened despot means you never have to explain yourself.
Less people, more demand, must appease those people with better rights.
But this is Haiti we're talking about. It isn't feudal. They can't grow anything.
Such a tragedy. Those people had very little and now they have nothing.
Haiti has one of the longest histories of straight-up sadness. They're some kind of record-holder. They're like Sri Lanka without the Grameen Bank.
There's a (somewhat) local group that was already setting up a clinic in Port-au-Prince, now they're trying to treble the capacity to help the victims. I guess I'll be talking to them later today, see what they need.
If there is a better example of a "failed state" than Haiti, I have yet to see it. Toussaint L'Overture wasn't just the founder, he was the high point. Sadder, in its own way than is the tragedy as a whole.
scrap that is much much worse then I thought, population is angry and rioting they are building roadblocks with corpses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Somalia. It fails so hard it doesn't even have a State. I shudder to imagine what would happen if an equal Earthquake hit Somalia. At least in Haiti you can get relief aid there. In Somalia, the world'd be welcomed by Warlord Clans seeking desperatly to remain in control after a natural disaster restricting aid as much as possible to avoid external influences seeping into their domains, religious fanatics hoping to exploit such a tragedy and the incoming relief people so they could then target Westerners for maximum kidnapping and deaths possible, pirates welcoming the great influx of ships in the region to take their slice of the pie, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
The end result is that if there was something like what happened in Haiti, in Somalia... Wretched, wretched Somalis.
If you're interested, this is a pretty decent guide to charities working in Haiti.
Here's another guy for hell - Danny Glover, actor;
“When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m sayin’?”
Perhaps we should let Robertson and Glover fight it out over who's to blame, and why they're punishing Haiti.
CR
Did anyone see what Danny Glover said about the crisis? He's as nutty as Rush and Robertson
LOL, the Rabbit beat me to it..
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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Most virulent case of Lemur's disease ever. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
or: Amid crisis, Lemur's disease spreads to Haiti.
Glover is getting to old for this human excrement
Well, if we can look past the ramblings of drug-addled radio race-baiters and washed-up Mel Gibson sidekicks, the Red Cross is reporting record-breaking funds pouring in. That's the good part. Now let's see how quickly they can translate that into action on the ground.
The biggest issue right now is the deplorable infrastructure, which was almost as bad before the earthquake. Right now many countries are organising centralised dumping stations and spreading supplies by helicoptor. Unfortunately, with the lack of water and medical supplies, we are going to witness more suffering than previously predicted. We must hope that there are not any large aftershocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I think Lemur you are on to something. The money is good but doesn't amount to crap if its not used properly at a neck breaking speed.
Here is the Pat Robertson vid mentioned earlier, love that Christian compassion.
Lovely chap, this Pat Robertson character
Apparently, the US annexed the Airport, they say it's "US Territory" now :wall:
Them yankees taking every opportunity to annex things :clown:
Danny Glover speaks: failure at Copenhagen to blame for Haiti tragedy, not geology -
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...-danny-glover/
A hint of light in the darkness http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl....html?ITO=1490
Do you need to insult the Americans over their desperate effort to save what can be saved? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullheadhq
America is leading the salvation effort. The evil Yanks reopened the devastated aiport for relief efforts. It is both a great show of decisiveness and skill, and absolutely crucial for opening up Haiti for relief.
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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – A major obstacle to delivering aid to Haiti began to be cleared Friday, as the U.S. Air Force brought order to the chaotic Port-au-Prince airport.
In another sign of progress, the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson took up position off Haiti's coast and began to fly water and other badly needed supplies to land. Despite these and other advances, hundreds of thousands of Haitians remain stranded in dire conditions.
Earlier, authorities had been forced to turn away aid flights when the large influx of aircraft overwhelmed the facility's small tarmac. But by daybreak, a 115-person Air Force team, which flew in five C-17 cargo planes of communications and air-traffic management equipment overnight, had undone most of the logjam. A steady stream of flights arrived and departed without difficulty even during the pre-dawn hours, the first time the airport was able to accept nighttime flights since the quake.
The Vinson, a nuclear-powered ship with a crew of more than 3,000, is the largest American vessel to reach Haiti since a powerful earthquake Tuesday killed thousands of people and destroyed large swaths of Port-au-Prince, the Haitian capital.
The Vinson and the Air Force team join the rapidly expanding contingent of U.S. troops deployed to Haiti.
More than 3,000 soldiers from the Army's 82nd Infantry Division will be on the ground in Haiti this weekend, and the USS Bataan, an amphibious ship carrying 2,200 Marines, is slated to arrive off the coast of Haiti next week alongside the USNS Comfort, the military's largest medical ship.
Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Friday that up to 10,000 American troops will be operating in or near Haiti by Monday. Adm. Mullen, the nation's top military officer, said the size of the U.S. military commitment could grow even larger in coming days.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...s_Most_Popular
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Furunculus
Lemur's disease is spreading fast in this thread!
And a big :rolleyes: to Skullhead.
CR
Reports of movement, along with non-stop stories of heartbreaking, mind-numbing sadness.
The International Federation of the Red Cross says a convoy carrying a "huge amount" of aid is heading overland from the Dominican Republic to quake-struck Haiti.
The IFRC says the aid includes a 50-bed field hospital, surgical teams and an emergency telecommunications unit.
[Spokesman Paul Conneally] told The Associated Press by phone from Santo Domingo on Saturday that the convoy is traveling overland because "it's not possible to fly anything into Port-au-Prince right now because the airport is completely congested."
Meanwhile, the drug-addled radio race baiter seems determined to make this tragedy all about him. His latest is suggesting that the White House web page will somehow steal your money when it links you to charities. No, really.
Justin of Raleigh, North Carolina: "Why does Obama say if you want to donate some money, you could go to whitehouse.gov to direct you how to do so? If I wanted to donate to the Red Cross, why do I have to go to the White House page to donate?"
Limbaugh: "Exactly. Would you trust the money's gonna go to Haiti?"
Justin: "No."
Rush: "But would you trust that your name's gonna end up on a mailing list for the Obama people to start asking you for campaign donations for him and other causes?"
Justin: "Absolutely!"
Limbaugh: "Absolutely!"
I know, I know, don't feed the trolls. But this troll has a following of at least ten million, so ignoring his amoral flame-baiting isn't helpful either.
The logistic will be immense:
Emergency
Food, Water, shelters, clothes cleaning of the roads and accesses, collect of the corps, inhumation, vaccination, and sanitation.
Just to give an idea:
Daily Need for a person (figures UNWFP/UNHCR)
Wheat: 400 g; feculent 60 g; oil: 30 g, fish/meat/cheese: 40 g; Sugar: 25 g, Salt: 5 g.
Water for drinking, cooking, toilet and washing: 3 l.
Then you add the milk (clean water needed) and the HI-protein Biscuits from babies and pregnants, and the need in blankets, in fire woods, in cooking pots and all boxes which can stock water and rice...
Knowing you have a window of 2 months to collect money and material before it vanish totaly from the news if you lucky to have a good PR...
Security concerns.
Man up indeed. Leaving critically injured people because of irrational fears of what? Afraid of poor desperate people? They should have refused to leave.Quote:
Search and rescue must trump security. ... They need to man up and get back in there.
--Retired Army Lt. Gen. Russell Honoré
I have to agree with Ebert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Indeed.Quote:
Man up indeed. Leaving critically injured people because of irrational fears of what? Afraid of poor desperate people? They should have refused to leave.
CR
“Man up indeed. Leaving critically injured people because of irrational fears of what? Afraid of poor desperate people? They should have refused to leave.”
From experience, be afraid of desperate people. I can’t judge what happened on the field but I had an experience when providing humanitarian relief was dangerous. Without my driver who just pushed me, a desperate crowd that wanted right now what I was bringing would have at least seriously injured me. And it was not a tragedy of that scale…
When a more than 1000 men and women, fighting for their survival, run to you, you are dead. Hence the importance or logistic and professionalism…
These doctors had no supplies to take. All they had was their knowledge/expertise and ability to improvise treatment as best one can. Desperate rioters might resort to violence over food & water, I don't think they'd react that way over a team of doctors. The U.N. supervisors over-reacted.
Here I am at my most cynical. none of my money ever got as far as Indonesia at the time, I will just feel good about being sorry for them but charity can find another host.
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Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito
Indeed, there are reports of Haitians using corpses as road-blocks to loot the convoys all for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenus
Desperation leads to irrational things.
I agree. I don't envy the unarmed doctors having to face that down. At least the response has been rapid and apparently helpful, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenus
Go find yourself a better thread to insult my country. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullheadhq
"I don't think they'd react that way over a team of doctors."
I think they can as a panic/hungry/angry/despaired mob will target any body for every thing.
No. I know they can. I know they did in various occasion....
I had few friends/former colleague killed in Humantarian Work. Don't think Humanitarian Workers are protected because they do good.
And I don't speak about rapes, team of nurses digging they own graves, drivers RPGed etc...
"The U.N. supervisors over-reacted." Were you there to estimate the situation?
Gawd, I hate Terminator movies!!!:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Interesting article :laugh4:
http://www.opendemocracy.net/daniel-...ocate-to-haiti
Haiti wouldn't benefit. The diplomats don't even pay their parking tickets. Not that Haiti has anyone to issue them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Though argubly, the UN would pay for them (if they needed to be paid) so it would still benefit the Haiti people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Though if my memory serves me right, isn't Haiti the place they elected Papa Doc?
They haven't in New York. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
"They haven't in New York" They haven't in London!!! Parking tickets and congestion charges...:laugh4:
Some retards in Haiti thought it would be nice to loot and rob people that already have nothing.
Hardly novel. residents on New Orleans were doing it on a far greater scale. There's a chance they were trying to, you know, get food to eat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullheadhq
~:smoking:
People, when desparate, will do some amazing things. I recall reading Cornelius Ryan's "A Bridge Too Far," wherein a US Army Sergeant, having made a promise to one of his comrades, held a doctor at gun point and forced him, under threat of death, to see to the needs of his comrade first -- irregardless of the doctor's other duties, patients, etc. The story had a happy ending because the head wound was not mortal as most had thought, but desparate people CAN be a threat to doctors -- or anyone -- if they feel the needs of their loved ones are threatened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenus
Did they OVER-estimate the threat potential here? Quite possibly. Is the security concern baseless? Not at all.
US accused of occupying Haiti: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...cupying-haiti/
I thought about posting a France-bashing post but then I read Louis'. :bow:
Oh, and look at the picture of the author. Scary...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-flood-in.html
"The death toll is now estimated at up to 200,000 lives. Around three million Haitians – a third of the country's population – have been affected by Tuesday's earthquake and two million require food assistance."
That is beyond any comprehension, and here I am cozy in my apartment and I don't think I even gave it any thought today until now.
I know what you mean, Frag. It's very hard (impossible?) to wrap your head around that kind of tragedy.
Meanwhile, President 44 has a piece in Newsweek about Haiti, and the freaky thing is that he probably wrote it himself.
In that case I'll blame Baron Samedi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furunculus
Looks like your typical Right-Wing older female. I am sure Furunculus' wouldn't like you for making such remarks about his mother though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
what does your typical Right-Wing older female look like? :help:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Maggie Thatcher.
Ann Coulter. She looks old to me. :shrug:
When in doubt, attack the author...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
israelies up to their usual crafty tricks:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/st...ts-not-fooled/
That is kinda silly. Who wants organs from Haitians?
“I thought about posting a France-bashing post but then I read Louis'”
Thanks for the news and the comments. I read some…:dizzy2:
Wouahhh… Some wanted the French to have built an airport when Haiti was a Colony… Colony that rebelled at the start of the XIX century…:laugh4::laugh4:
I pass on the racist comments.
I am happy to see the knowledge of all the contributors.
I am not sure you show the best side of them...
By the way, Médecins Sans Frontières main office is in Paris. Somebody should tell the “journalist”
:oops:
To be honest, media bitching about the fact the US took controle of the situation are kind of retard. They have more money, more soldiers, more means, so yeah, they do most of the job. Though I understand the frustration of the people who couldn't land in Haiti, the american-bashing we've been served was completely uncalled for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenus
(and so is the french bashing you can see on that website).
Easy now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenus
It really doesn't matter where their offices are. That doesn't have any bearing on the statement. It's just a pretentious Frenchman likely harboring fond, idealized, notions of former empire, who is ashamed of his own country's impotence in a former colony. Haiti is one of many dark chapters in the story of imperial France. That is the source of my emotional reaction. Then, to have someone from that same country (Louis) express such kind words, really assuaged my irritation.
Your attention is misplaced; comments are for entertainment value only.
Besides that, who REALLY is the UN? Who puts in the most money? Who hosts their headquarters? How in the heck do people criticize the US in this? How much has the American tax payer been extorted for all the years in aid to a country that can't even piss in a tin can without some form of gevernment curroption involved? I think those that criticize should take the lead and then we'll see how long it takes before the US is begged to com back into the fold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meneldil
Why so? I didn't know calling some one 'typical right-wing' when they basically have "I am right-wing and proud of it" next to her picture was classified as attacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
“Who puts in the most money?”
Apparently not the USA:beam:
“United States debt to the United Nations, in both the regular and peacekeeping budgets, exceeded $1.5 billion at the start of 2009”
“Your attention is misplaced; comments are for entertainment value only.”
I see your point.
In one hand it is depression by the lack of knowledge, but funny for the same reason…
Thank god at least here I'm not seeing the disgusting display that I'm seeing in the Paradox OT Forum, with several members saying they don't feel the USA should be helping Haiti, and they don't feel any kind of compassion or pity for 100,000 dead and several millions displaced. Nothing short of little home-made Hitlers that country has.
so she looks righ wing because she states she is right wing, do i understand you correctly? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Are you trying to imply there is something wrong with being a right-wing female? So by saying "she looks like a typical right-wing female" when she states she is right-wing, is a bad thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Furunculus
It would only be attacking if I said something insulting or untrue.
I will show an alternative which is pretty equal.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Would you be up in arms over that comment?
You have to be a particularly big idiot if you can actually manage to not give a crap, or haven't they seen the pictures it's a nightmare :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
A frump? With her face haunted by an expression of fear, loathing and selfish ignorance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Furunculus
It's not the most flattering image and it's certainly staged, so I think it would be as fair to have a pop at her as it is Brown's "grinace".
She reminds me a little of the Women's Insititute character Maggie Blackamoor from little Britain.
Ah, Chavez is once again showing why he should have sticked to hunting tapirs with poisoned darts, how very naughty of you Americans to use your earthquake-weapons (much improved since the seventies) against Haiti. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so, oh screw that it's hilarious.
edit: it gets better, Iran is on shaky grounds
clown
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by alh_p
I think Little Martian, Furunculus, et al, just had a collective heart-attack.
Considering the possibility of a heart-attack with people you consider to be heartless, see that is why you lose, using oil as energy instead of you running in circles is nothing but an act of mercy when you really think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar