Can we have hairier people in EBII? I can't be the only one who is disturbed by nippleless, body-waxed Gauls. no:
Unless people were less hairy and nipples were pinker back then that is ;).
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Can we have hairier people in EBII? I can't be the only one who is disturbed by nippleless, body-waxed Gauls. no:
Unless people were less hairy and nipples were pinker back then that is ;).
In the description for the Soap Maker it's explained that the Gauls and Germans used soap heavy with lye to get rid of their body hair, so it's actually correct to have hairless 'barbarians' as opposed to the flea infested, grimy, and excessively hairy barbarians of hollywood.
Hrmmm hairy chests would give me something to relate to...
Chewbacca.Quote:
Originally Posted by stratigos vasilios
True, I am from the Star Wars universe...
Wow, I almost never read the building descriptions in EB, and I realize now that I've missed out on some interesting information as a result. :book: Thank you for pointing this out. I do remember reading the description for one of the palace upgrades for Hayasdan (which I probably misspelled) which was rather funny; it marveled at the quantity of lamps rumored to lie within the palace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snite
Soap could cause less body hair? OMG? I mustn't take a bath for a week then, as I can't grow any except my head hair :wall:
I wasn't aware that lye removed nipples as well. What of other barechested units like Hindus and Getai though?
Just take a look at the preview of the Drapanai:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Interesting, might need some looking into for getting rid of body hair ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Snite
We make an extensive use of the variety brought by medieval2. In a basic unit of gauls, some guys are hairy, some are not, and some wear tunics or armours.
edit : and they have nipples.
Why do they have spiky hairs? Botroas have such too in EB1 and I don't understand, they knew a wax-like material, or why is that?
the spiked hair of the guy to the left look like he is wearing some sort of crown
Their all Super Saiyan...
That bothred me too...
Maybe Dragonball celts?
Apparently. I can't give you a primary source, but I recall Adrian Goldsworthy mentioning that the Britons spiked their hair. They make the bearer look taller and more imposing, similar to the bearskins and mitres used by Napoleonic armies. It looks a bit ridiculous now, but it may appear very differently to you when you are standing in a battleline about to be charged by bloodthirsty Celts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó
I recall Goldsworthy saying that as well, but it was thought they used lye to spike their hair, and if lye causes hair loss I cant imagine them using it very often. Maybe its not as strong if just used occasionally before battle? Where as the lye soap would be used more often on their bodies.
I think I remember reading in the Soap Maker description in EB 1 that they used soap to bleach and spike their hair.
Good question :thinking:Quote:
I recall Goldsworthy saying that as well, but it was thought they used lye to spike their hair, and if lye causes hair loss I cant imagine them using it very often. Maybe its not as strong if just used occasionally before battle? Where as the lye soap would be used more often on their bodies.
Interesting info, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ludens
IIRC, I think someone on the team once said that they tried to make chest hair for EB1 but it was too difficult/not possible to make it look acceptable, so they chose to go without it.Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
The nipples were removed as part of the hidden censorship pack. They were simply considered too sexual for Americans in general; even moreso than the "Bananas Below", which is why this one wasn't optional. To avoid complaints from us Europeans, they chose to cover it up.
Or so the conspiracy theory goes.
lol
edit: and as you can see, nipples and hair will be present, at least on some units, in eb2. even belly buttons.
Yeah there is a popular stereotype in Europe that everybody in the USA is prude.
The hair... it is from the Simpsons.
Actually it's modelled after the hair of characters on "The Jersey Shore"Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Good to see the chest hair left in.
Aren't there multiple possible torsos? Any chance of the odd hairy back or even polythelia?
Or would that be gilding the lily?
http://www.thesimpsons.com/bios/imag...amily_bart.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
oh, that's why they named Bartroas... :clown:
edit : nevermind
On another note, I was pretty impressed with the weapons wielded by the drapanai in the picture quoted above. The variety is impressive, and each individual weapon looks useable - or at least realistic :).
They really look like berzerker peasant levies now, rather than some bare-chested no-daichi.
Thanks everyone for the great support, obviously comparing our work with Bart Simpson is trully inspiring...
Now that this issue has been resolved, about the hairyness of units, someone please close the thread. Thanks!
Guys, I think you are taking those comments too seriously. It's just a joke.
If you think it really necessary, I can delete the offending posts.
No need for that, they're not actually offending, they're just spam and there's no link between them and the topic.
It's ok to see one or two posts but I count 6-7 posts about this so that's why I'm talking it too seriously...
That's how some did their hair with probably soap or other substances that would dry and would keep the spiked form:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Let that be the end of spikeyness.
Well I'll apologize for bringing it up if you are offended by it. But I think the comments really don't reflect on the quality of work but rather the fact that two different things are alike.
http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/neo/wp..._front_web.jpg
On a seperate note: I noticed that is from a minitures set(lower right corner). Do you have pictures of them?
Here's one for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
http://shop.warlordgames.co.uk/index.asp?function=PRODUCTIMAGEWINDOW&closedelay=20000&SRC=http://shop.warlordgames.co.uk/ekmps/shops/warlord/images/britons_line_white[ekm]204x80[ekm].jpg
Who from this board plays this game? I am curious since I've seen minitures from it every time I search for classical stuff on google.
Don't forget pig grease. That will spike hair like nobody's business. Plus you don't really need gel to get hair to stand up on end. I'm of British Isles descent (though of course modern British people have their genepools polluted by *gasp* Vikings and Normans) and my hair will stand up a good 2-3 inches before it flops over.
I have no problem with feedback as long it's constructive...Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Seems KoF beat me to it.
Who needs to play a board game when you have EB.:clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Yeah pig crease will do the job also quite nicely and should be available for most celts. Would be interesting to hear someone more knowledgeable about what they used.
I already asked this and Ludens gave me some infos. Now I googled a bit and found the same thing everywhere (These pages are nowhere compared to professional papers and studies, but it's interensting that each of them say the same, sadly they don't give primal sources).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tux
http://www.kernunnos.com/culture/warriors/index.html
http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/a...ay_celtic_life
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3223118AA9s2x5
http://www.warandpeacegames.com.au/s...categoryId=147
http://wildfiregames.com/0ad/page.php?p=10088
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/celts/factfile/clothes.shtml
They all say that this blonde spiky hair style was made by lime, now since I'm not a native English-speaker, do they mean the fruit? Because that would be pretty much impossible in my opinion, I can't believe that this fruit was such a common sight in Europe (except the Mediterranean region maybe). Or does it mean the "whitewash", anyway, I would like to hear your opinions.
Lime may also refer to a kind of glue/gel. Think lime wire.
–noun
1.
Also called burnt lime, calcium oxide, caustic lime, calx, quicklime. a white or grayish-white, odorless, lumpy, very slightly water-soluble solid, CaO, that when combined with water forms calcium hydroxide (slaked lime), obtained from calcium carbonate, limestone, or oyster shells: used chiefly in mortars, plasters, and cements, in bleaching powder, and in the manufacture of steel, paper, glass, and various chemicals of calcium.
2.
a calcium compound for improving crops grown in soils deficient in lime.
I imagine the hair got pretty spiky. Which might have been pretty darn scary - its like some anime character coming at you screaming obscenities in a foreign language.
That's what I found in the dictionary as "whitewash" or what.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterFred
Edit: But I can understand how it could made your hair spiky (which remained spiky in the heat of the battle too probably). Though I guess it didn't do anything good to the hair.
Well, we don't know if it was pure lime applied, or a lime-mud combination or something like that. I also didn't previously know lime was used as a bleaching agent. Makes me even more impressed with the team's representation. I thought the white-ish hair was just a style choice. :)
(Half) naked, and wielding nasty pointy things to cause you pain and suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterFred
Come to think of it Punks used to use Knox gelatin to spike their hair, and Knox gelatin can be used as hide glue (I think they're basically the same thing). So maybe the Celts used lime to bleach their hair and hide glue to spike it.
I would be curious if you could stab someone to death with your hair at that point.
I have always had this in my mind when I hear/read that the stereotypical Celt was blonde. I can't really say I know the distribution of hair color back in Celtic lands at this time period, but I just don't think blonde was anymore prevalent or moreso than dark hair. In regards to the spikes, I have heard the spiked styling was to emulate that of a horse's mane or boar's hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó
Also... I seem to remember the Irish hero Cuchulainn's hair was dark at the root then changed to red then blonde as it reached the tip - I thought that may be the case of one who had spiked/bleached his hair and it had started to grow out...
Yeah I read on one of the sites that they wanted to emulate the horse's mane. I don't think the blonde was more prevalent than darker hairs either, that would be definitely strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glewas
Good point on Cuchulainn, that might be the reason of his hair colours. Like in nowadays if you colour your hair once and don't repeat the process it will eventually grow out.
I'm not a chemist, so I don't have knowledge in that. What I know, that even if the lime is mixed with something else, like mud or water, it still causes skin irritation and dangerous if you inhale it, or if it gets into your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterFred
I really doubt it would have been pure quicklime, that probably would have burned the hair right off. Also, mixing it with water is a bit dangerous. When quicklime comes in contact with water, it reacts and the temperature goes up to something ridiculous like 150 degrees Celsius. At least, that's what it says here, when the author talks about the use of quicklime in Greek fire (it may have been the ignition mechanism). Of course, they could probably just wait until after the mixture had cooled off and then place it in their hair.
I don't know, but personally this is not the sort of thing I would want to put in my hair...
I just realised: Tom Wiseau, y'know, the guy who made and starred in "The Room", would make a great Gaesatae; not only we have an idea what he looks like :clown:, but his looks would scare the living daylaights out of the Romans; I mean, the look on his face scares me immediately. having said that, I do like the room, even though its not a good movie (understatement of the million years).Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
WinsingtonIII: CaO+H2O=>Ca(OH)2+heat. the result, once cooled down, is actually safe. its also, IIRC, colorless when in a solution, unless you blowair into it, in which case:
Ca(OH)2+CO2=> CaCO3+H2O,
The result is *not* safe unless you want your skin dissolved (remember that soap still has a pH value of about 7.5-8, roughly equivalent to blood but less than your skin + oils). It is still an exceedingly base material. <_< Even CaCO3 in water is not quite what you want to put in your hair, still considerably more base than your body likes its environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
Instead a wax/gel based on soap seems more likely (to me); as we all know soap is pretty easy to make with a little fat and a natron (NaOH bound to H2O in a solid complex) or CaOH and water.
about Ca(OH)2 really? I thought it was ok. nevermind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
but CaCO 3 ain't that dangerous though: its just Calcite (also known as Marble, Chalk, and limestone).
EDIT: darn, Ca(OH)2 turns out to be corrosive. no hazards listed for calcite.
CaCO3 is really just a nuisance compared to its other more happy happy fun fun forms.
CaCO3 is pretty much harmless in solid state, and it's soultion had Ksp that was relatively low so it wasn't dangerous either, but prolonged contact with non-rock form of that (especially powder one), could generate enough hydroxide (OH) ions by equilibrium. While sometimes just strong enough to bleach hair pigment, they must wash that thoroughly after got the effect. 1 or 2 day on hair gel (based on pig fat) is maybe enough.
that possibly explains why all the spiky haired fellows in the reconstruction appear to be off white or reddish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
That, and don't forget that skin is actually slightly sour (pH < 7). More so for some than others, hence why some people should not wear pure silver as the contact with their skin will cause it to rust, ruining it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
The thing with CaC03 is not that it is immediately dangerous, but that prolonged contact (especially with sensitive skin or dandruff) won't do your hair or skin any favours.