M2TW 1.3 Hotseat - Glorious Achievements (Completed, winner Silvershield)

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(graphics by Quirl al-Mustafa Mubarak)

*The game is completed and Silvershield is the winner - congratulations Silvershield!*

This is a hotseat game in vanilla M2TW 1.3, with eleven human players as follows:

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1: England - Zim (formerly barcamartin)
2. HRE - Myth (formerly TriforceV) RIP turn 38
3. Spain - Thanatos Eclipse
AI. Venice
4. Sicily - Cecil XIX (formerly Pranas, Zim) - RIP
AI. Milan - (formerly phonicsmonkey) - RIP turn 7
5. Scotland - Visorslash - RIP turn 8
AI. Byzantine Empire
AI. Russia
AI. Moors
6. Turks - phonicsmonkey (formerly Password)
7. Egypt - Visorslash (formerly Quirl al Mustafa Mubarak)
AI. Denmark - (formerly Kavhan Isbul)
AI. Portugal
AI. Poland
8. Hungary - SilverShield
9. France - Nightbringer (formerly Tristan de Castelreng)

Additional players are welcome to join at any time on application to the GM (myself).

The aim of the game is to, within the 40 turn limit, complete as many as possible of the following list of achievements:

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* Richest Faction
* Most income per turn Faction
* Most Populous Faction
* Largest Standing Army
* Largest Navy
* Most advanced Infantry recruitment building
* Most advanced Cavalry recruitment building
* Most advanced Artillery recruitment building
* Most advanced Archery recruitment building
* Most advanced religious building
* Most advanced Port
* Most advanced Trade building
* Most advanced Administrative (town hall) building
* Most advanced Spy/Assassin building
* Most advanced Armory building
* Most total number of guild buildings
* Greatest Population in one city
* Greatest Income from one city
* Greatest Public Order from one city
* Infrastructure: Most total number of advanced buildings (every additional tier is 1 point, every building is 1 point, total for faction)
* Most spies of any faction
* Most assassins of any faction
* Most merchants of any faction
* Most diplomats of any faction
* Most generals of any faction
* Most religious agents of any faction
* Highest Dread General
* Highest Chivalry General
* Highest Command General
* Highest Influence General
* Highest Loyalty General
* Most Alliances
* Original Borders
* Most Battles Won
* Most Cities Captured
* Most Generals slain
* Most factions defeated
* Most Cardinals/ Piety 5 Imams/Orthodox priests
* Most wars won against faction of another religion
* Highest experience general unit
* Highest experience non general unit
* Most merchant takeovers
* Most successful assassinations of non-AI characters (not including captains)

The GM will judge, at the turn limit and based on evidence in the form of screenshots provided by the players, which player has the most achievements and is therefore the winner.

In addition, the following rules should be observed:

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- Players shall post a link to the save game in the main game thread and also send a private message to the next player in line to alert them that it is their turn. The save game file should follow the naming convention GA-turn number-faction (eg. GA-1-England)
- Each player has 48 hours from the time the link is posted to complete their turn and post the link for the next player in line.
- Battles can be fought or auto-resolved.
- Spies may not be used to open any gates: settlements, castles or forts.
- No reloading the save to repeat any action at all.
- No in-game crusades or jihads may be joined by any human player. If a crusade is called by the Pope it shall be ignored. Crusades and jihads which are role-played and do not use the in-game mechanic are permitted.
- No destroying buildings for cash in a city that's under siege.
- No fighting losing defensive battles on purpose in a besieged city, just to deny the invader the sacking option.
- No exploits, including (but not limited to): no merchant forts, no surround and destroy, no tribute deals that deliberately put you into debt greater than 10k, no deliberate diplomatic exchange of territories just to get a free garrison, no tribute deals with or monetary gifts to the Pope.

If a player is in doubt about whether an in-game action is permissible he shall consult the GM who will make a ruling. Players are requested to compete in a good spirit and use their judgment and sense of fairness at all times.

If a player is suspected of cheating, please make a private report to the GM and avoid making a public accusation or resorting to flaming in the game thread or elsewhere.

Ok, here's the first save for barca - let's get this party started!

with u switching to rome and the hre being human ruled too i ll have to switch. would have liked to give hungary a shot but im not going to be the girl in middle position in a 3some with 2 major powers... i ll go for milan then instead

Ya, but doesn't hungry have all that room to expand to the west and up. Poland and Russia shouldn't give you any problems. That's just my thinking though :)

Changed plans at work. I got home at around 4 AM, had time for about seven hours of sleep and then I was off to work again at noon. So, this will be delayed a bit more. If I have the power, I'll do it when I get home tonight. Otherwise, tomorrow morning.

Ok, the turn is done. However, I think I should point out that the game mode is currently set to auto-resolve only. I, at least, was unable to fight the battle for York myself. If that's the way we want it, fine by me. Otherwise, I guess I'll have to redo the turn once phonics gives me a new one.

France!

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Originally Posted by Thanatos Eclipse

Ya, but doesn't hungry have all that room to expand to the west and up. Poland and Russia shouldn't give you any problems. That's just my thinking though :)

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well if it was an ordinary campaign maybe but with the new achievement settings in place its not about expanding only anymore. all i d get out of expanding to russia and poland are mostly small towns and wooden castles thats all. wont go places like that really



i think it was field battles too

yes it is supposed to be battles, not autoresolve

but for some reason unknown to me I can't get it to work - I have edited the preference file but it is not reading it and keeps over-writing it with default hotseat preferences

I don't know what to do except maybe someone else can try to start the game? if someone is willing please pm me and I'll tell you what I want the admin pw to be.

ok, use this save instead, sorry barca

btw everyone I'm still debating with silver over which faction he will play. originally I picked milan but when I saw the east was virtually empty, with just egypt and hungary competing for the whole of the levant, anatolia and greece, I switched to byzantium for the sake of balance

now silver says he wants to switch to milan! which sort of defeats the purpose...so I have offered to switch to turkey instead of byzantium and I hope he accepts that and will stay as hungary

all this means I may have to intervene in between someone's turn to re-jig the faction lineup..

Will do after some sleep. Seriously tired now. Approx 8-9 hours. :)

There we go, finally. Not that time matters, since Tristan seems to be putzvegefahren?

France 2nd Shot!

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Originally Posted by barcamartin

putzvegefahren?

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what does that mean? it looks like the most awesome word I've ever seen..

Tristan said he'd be offline from the 23rd to the end of the month. I have tried to get him to nominate a sub and leave some instructions but he has not done so.

It's not quite the 23rd yet where he is so I'm hoping he'll pop up with the save before he goes...

If he does not I can do this little trick where I move France to the back of the turn order - I just need barca's autosave (which will still be on the England turn) to do it - barca, can you please upload that for me and pm it to me?

"Puts väck" = Disappeared, in Swedish. "Fahren" = Going, in German. So, well, my father has always used the expression, as a mixture between German and Swedish, probably totally unofficial, put pretty much spot on for something that can't be found. Awesome word, indeed! ;D

I forgot to zip the file, but here it is.

Autosave England!

Hello there.

I received a PM inviting me to this hotseat but at the time my M2TW was not installed and I did not want to be late in joining the game or in any way hold it up. Luckily for me, events seems to have led to a slight delay. If phonicsmonkey will still have me I would like to take control of the Moors if that is OK with everyone else. I look to forward to being a part of the game.

welcome to the game Password! I'll switch the Moors to human control for you later today..

Ok, for the third time England has initiated its rise to glory. However, for the first time;

HRE !!!!!

ok I'm sticking with Milan, SilverShield is sticking with Hungary and Password has agreed to take the Turks instead of the Moors.

Let's get this game rolling!

The rules do not say anything about seige equipment, what are we going to go with there?

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Originally Posted by Thanatos Eclipse

The rules do not say anything about seige equipment, what are we going to go with there?

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Use it as you see fit. I'm comfortable with the fact that a ballista can open the gates - on the battlemap it takes ages and sometimes is not successful anyway, meaning if you're going to use them for that you will still have to wait a few turns to get it right or autoresolve. Plus I'm inclined to see the siege equipment somewhat metaphorically....

Spain is Up!
Spain

I'm having a problem, whenever I try to load the save it crashes. I tried loading Englands turn to see if it was just the spain file, but that crashed too. It says M2TW 1.03 in the game, but I assume that means patch 1.3? Otherswise I have VanillaMod .93; I downloaded the fix .93b for Vanilla, but that didn't fix the problem. Any ideas?

What's VanillaMod?

I know there's a glitch in some of the online patches that shows your game is updated to 1.3 when it's really not. I'd update straight from your Kingdoms disk and see if that works. Simply installing Kingdoms should patch your game to 1.3.

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Originally Posted by Quirl al-Mustafa Mubarak

What's VanillaMod?

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I think that's likely to be the salient point. Unless VanillaMod installs in a separate folder (like SS or BC) it's likely to have altered the vanilla game files and will make your version incompatible with ours.

That's assuming you are correctly installed.

I added the Vanilla fix after it failed the first time. If I can't figure it out tonight, I'll try unistalling and reinstalling some stuff tomorrow

This is what I did before I started the game. I had to do a clean reinstall for other reasons..

Install M2TW. Install Kingdoms. Install Kingdoms 1.5 patch.

I don't think the final action affects anything as far as our game is concerned, but I thought i'd let you know anyway. My version number is 1.3 in M2TW, 1.5 in Kingdoms.

If you do the same thing there's no reason it shouldn't work.

While we wait I took the liberty of intervening to get the faction lineup correct.

Please use this save instead: Spain

Turns out I did install Vanilla wrong. Was putting it in its own folder like BC, but guess that's not how it's suppose to go :) To bad I didn't figure that out before I went through the process of reinstalling everything, oh well.

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/oudg6k...A-1-Sicily.sav

PS when's the court and story forums going to be up?

hey the court is already up - here

I'll put a story thread up now

Milan

http://www.mediafire.com/?6mrbkz3xuczg4uz

Scotland

http://www.sendspace.com/file/n6afjh

Turks up.

Egypt

http://fs09n1.sendspace.com/dl/b641d...A_Egypt_T2.zip

Denmark!
http://www.mediafire.com/myfiles.php

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Originally Posted by Quirl al-Mustafa Mubarak

Denmark!
http://www.mediafire.com/myfiles.php

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The link above is a link to your files in mediafire, which is something I do not have access to - please correct.

I will be gone Monday and Tuesday. Unless a correct link is posted by then, anyone can sub for me or I will play my turn on Wednesday.

http://www.mediafire.com/?i95ovhca3phic0c

Hungary next.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ocv2kpyadff1b1d

england next

Is Tristan not playing as France anymore?

yeah, what happened to France? they were supposed to pop up at the end of the turn.

Hooooold on there..pls don't play the english turn.

Silver, what happened there?

it looks like France is set as a computer

aargh

I'm going to need your autosave Silver, the one that's automatically created at the end of your turn.

If you can give me that I can set France correctly and you won't need to replay.

Tristan might not make his turn. He's out until some time early in September. I can't quite recall when he was returning, though...

he told me from 23rd August 'to the end of the month' which I was hoping would be in the next few days. but if he misses the turn at least we can have someone sub it instead of the AI taking it, which I think is better...

I changed my mind - seeing as no-one really knows what Tristan would have done with his first turn anyway I suppose the robot will have done a decent enough job

barca, go ahead and play, I'll switch France to human control on my next turn

Ok, will do. :)

so i dont have to upload anything then i guess

HRE !

Ill play the turn tonight after my work shift..

Spain Next.

Spain

I'm back and ready to play my next turn...

awesome! I'll make sure we switch France to human control before it comes up

Might aswell post here too. I'll be off until Sunday, so if subbing becomes necessary, whoever feels worthy can do it. As long as they move to bring the Scottish rebels down, I'm happy. ;)

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/bdgt8n...A-2-Sicily.sav

Milan

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?6mrbkz3xuczg4uz

Zim, you prove even the sun has its flaws. That's Milan turn 1! :(

Sorry, they were next to me in my files at Media Upload.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?95845y8j8v5a8hy

Scotland!

We have offered a ceasefire to the King of England. The Scots care not whether England lives or dies and place no trust that the proposal will be accepted.

Turks.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dvb92u

Egypt

http://fs05n1.sendspace.com/dl/a2d66...A_Egypt_T2.zip

Denmark!
http://www.mediafire.com/?171plpmbbabdrha

... let me know if there are any problems again.

I didn't even know Denmark and the HRE were at war until I started my turn. I hope we can get more active in the courtroom. :beam:

Diplomacy? I have tried it and discovered I am as good at it as the Bulgarian national football team has been good at winning games lately - to put it mildly, I suck at diplomacy.

Apologies to the Holy Roman Emperor - ceasefire will be offered next turn, to be followed by an alliance proposal if accepted.

Hungary next:

http://www.mediafire.com/?c00kz7c718p7qrz

just droped by next time please pm me

france next
http://depositfiles.com/files/11hcintgg

Will get to this before the deadline

New Save for England

I won't be here from the 15th to the 20th, so if someone besides England could sub me, it would be appreciated.

HRE !!

And don't worry Visor, I won't sub you. Also, Britannia isn't big enough for both of us. ;)

Spain is up!:

Spain

Sicily

http://www.mediafire.com/file/c9gs3v...A-3-Sicily.sav

Milan is up

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=201&id=5279

Scotland

Visorslash asked me to sub him... But didn't leave his PW with me... Anything you can do, Phonics ?

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Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

Visorslash asked me to sub him... But didn't leave his PW with me... Anything you can do, Phonics ?

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It would take me several days as I don't have internet at home and am relyong on my work pc to dwnload and upload saves. Could you pls pm zim and ask him to help out? He has the admin pw. I'd do it myself but it's really hard on this crappy blackberry browser

Rest assured, for a Swedish Viking never sleeps, nor fails!

Scotland turn, with reset password!

And Visorslash, I swear, I didn't even open the turn. ;)

Subbed Scotland (but to no end as Visor seemed to have played his own turn... see below...)

(removed link...)

PMed Password almost 3 days ago my time and still no answer...

Can someone sub him to keep the game going ? I would volunteer if need be as I have no interests whatsoever in the region...

I'm back and able to play my turns, please use my save as I did some important killing this turn. Can't hide from the Scottish Navy you English dog. :laugh4:

Also I would propose a rule used over at the twcenter which would make the game a bit fairer.

Say a Scottish army attacks and defeats an English army in Turn 2. On Turn 3 the english army can move. However, if an English army attacks and defeats a Scottish army on Turn 2, on Scotland's turn it cannot move and can't retreat.

The rule over at the TWC is this: 4. Armies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list, and thus lose all their movement points

5. Armies that are defeated in battle may not be attacked on the following turn, as they are banned from moving, either by the game mechanics or by the rule above. They must be allowed to move first, or must be reinforced. If the defeated army retreats to a settlement or fort, this rule does not apply. (This means they are allowed to be seiged, not that the army can move.)

(OC: Sorry but I attacked and won against an English navy containing a big army and if this rule is not in play, I'm screwed.)

Turks up.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dgwk0s

So Phonics or barca, could you have someone sub Password's turn or skip it just to keep things going ? It's been almost 4 days since the save has been posted (which delay sure helped Visorslash play his turn himself... but nonetheless...)

hi all - apologies for being an absent GM these past couple of weeks, RL has been kicking my ass...

I have asked barca to skip this turn for me but if he is not available I'll be able to have the new save up in 24 hours. Unfortunately I have no internet at home right now so I'm relying on taking saves to and from work on a USB key.

Visorslash, thanks for the rule suggestion. I see the logic in it and I think it has merit however I'm not the dictatorial type so I'm going to put it to the vote.

Everyone, could you please post here to indicate whether you are in favour of adding the rule? I have amended it slightly to make it fairer on the player who has to keep track of which armies and navies are affected.

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Armies or navies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. The player who defeats the army or navy in question must alert the defeated player by private message so that they are able to identify which armies and navies they are not allowed to move. If a pm is not sent the rule does not apply.

I have to say I'm not sure that the rule you mark as 5 is necessary but again, let's hear what people think.

Sounds like a good rule. I'll vote "yes."

Against.

The no 5 rule is used so that a defeated army has a chance to escape before it is attacked again.

Also, Kahvan Isbul, why are you against it.

(I'm for it, obviously.)