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Well, I am just inquisitive what you people think about it. What are the plans of Iran and how far do you think the Islamic republic will go; what the consequences will be. What should/will the reaction of the US, EU, Russia, China be... News and development. It's quite possible that during November we will have new round of talks between the EU and Iran...
The floor is yours, ladies and gentlemen!
Iran will try and do what they always been doing finish the nuke without getting attacked they know the USA cant attack cos they are bogged down.
Since US cant attack they must use a proxy (proxy = Israel) Unfortunately for Israel short of using nukes an Israeli attack will not destroy Irans nuke programme but could end up bogging down an America ally in a deadly war. Nukes indeed may not stop the programme as it is apparently been well distributed and hidden plus the knowledge will still be there after any attack.
Any Israeli/USA attack will cause Irans proxies HAMAS and Hezbollah to attack Israel. Israel would not fare well in this senario just like in the last Hezbollah fighting. Therefore Israel/USA need sneakier methods to disrupt the Iranians I bet all sorts of CIA/Mossad shennanagins are going on as we speak just like the virus that was found in the siemens SCADA.
The last method is to use another proxy to buy off Iran here enters the EU with aid and the like to help Irans rubbish economy this may work in the short term or at least long enough to delay Iran till US/Israel have worked a plan that can stop Iran going nuclear.
Referring to the bold bit, did you hear about that advanced virus that only targeted Iran's infrastructure? Seems to have done its job.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018
http://www.symantec.com/content/en/u...et_dossier.pdf
I already mentioned it see below the bolded bit from my earlier postQuote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
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Therefore Israel/USA need sneakier methods to disrupt the Iranians I bet all sorts of CIA/Mossad shennanagins are going on as we speak just like the virus that was found in the siemens SCADA.
A disruption to SCADA like this would slow it down a lot as they would have to replace all the controlers in every plant. However they will just buy new ones and ensure there properly checked and they will have to ensure proper controls on USB sticks etc.
Course they might ditch those kinds of controllers altogether but it would require a massive overhaul of the architecture of the plants and achieve the delay US wants.
Woah. Somehow I didn't see that part of your post. Sorry. But yeah, as long as they can make a virus to get in, wouldn't they be able to severely delay Iran's efforts as long as they wanted? They switch out the controllers and then they just infect those with a new virus causing more damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy
Not if they went for some kind of local distributed system but it would be a pain to run and that would reduce the efficiency of the plants achieving the delay.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
US can play dirty and stoke an Islamic coldwar hence this
Funny you mentioned the virus. Some time ago I read something interesting about which states could stand behind the virus...
http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...orm-turns-4168
I think there are two main reasons why Iran would want enriched uranium; I think the first reason is to be able to hold their own against the United States and Israel in international politics. The second reason would be to gain a stable source of energy. They don't like the Arab oil states, the Arab oil states don't like them, and their relationship with America is even worse. And with the current president, there are very little options to talk. If only we'd thought about it sooner.
I think that Iran could be one of the best natural allies the NATO could have in the Middle East (save Turkey, of course). Not only politically, but also the first place where a reformed Islam could exist, in my opinion.
Thats all true as regards being a more natural ally of NATO but you overestimate the ability of Khatami at the time to move Iran to a more democratic bent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
I seem to remember he was feted all around the place etc but the Mullahs and more rural people who are big supporters of status quo were not so enamoured.
Plus Kahmeni was not long in power and no doubt worried about being toppled by popular revolt when it was obvious there was enough support to crush Khatemi he did and there was nothing the West could do about it short of invade.
Looks like Iran is not the only country that should not have Nukes tut tut
'World's most advanced' nuke sub runs aground
Doubt Iran is stupid/bloodthirsty enough to launch a nuke, even can, rockets can be shot down with patriots or Thales. But their favorite proxies with the ability to fire dirty bombs, very real threat.
No there not stupid there really clever actually they only need less than a dozen nukes and they assure dominance of there region. The USA/Russia/EU will all end up spending many multiples of billions in there own regions or areas of interest to ensure there own needs etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
not to mention saudi, jordan, and egypt.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy
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Originally Posted by Furunculus
US seems to be warning Iran with the arms sale we saw that they risk a potentially deadly sunni/shia coldwar if they push US too much.
My belief is that Iran will eventually get the bomb and it will rock the cozy US consensus on the mid east. They will have to deal with Iran and bring them in from the cold no natter how unpalatable it might be.
The security of Israel would depend on them having good relations or at least not outright hostility to each other.
If Iran could be turned then a big source of millitant funding would cease and help Israel actually in a way but that is all theory at the minute.
Not nearly enough missiles can be intercepted, they will need more, patriots have poor succes rate but you can buy hundreds of them for the price of a nuke and they only need a glorified truck for launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy
For a nuke yes.
I'm no expert, but I'd fire 100 missiles and have 95% with dummy / conventional warheads. Suddenly the odds of hitting the crucial ones looks a lot harder.
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Absolutely correct hitting a missile with another missile is really hard and not fail safe you just stuff loads of dummy warheads in missiles and you increase the complexity probably beyond the system to cope.Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Iran quite simply needs the deterrent in order to avoid going the same way as Iraq.
Got me thereQuote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Perhaps. We could have only found out if we had tried to talk. Now look at it all. I do agree, though, Khatami had very little real power, but at least he gave a good image of what the people wanted to happen.Quote:
Thats all true as regards being a more natural ally of NATO but you overestimate the ability of Khatami at the time to move Iran to a more democratic bent.
There is real power, this was Iran. Absurd that a black bag is the last thing gays and powerbabes see in this once great culture http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/4788...revolutie.html Only a matter of time before it's reclaimed by muslims who don't follow the Islam, the ordinary people who just want to live their lives and who's greatest concern is what's for dinner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Islam may be a hydra but it's heart is Iran
disclaimer, with Islam I mean the literally-freaks who believe in total submission, as the word means.
please invade iran so we will live in peace !! almost !! at all better than Islamic Republic !! they are worse than USSR & N.Korea & all great dictators !! Believe me !! you must live in here and you will know !!
at all why you alwayse see the nuclear program?! so your HUMEN RIGHTS is just a Lie !
Be carefull what you write you are not anonymous they can see what you just posted, courtesy of Siemens and Nokia
Iran in no way equals Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by caravel
What a shallow assessment of the situation.
Originally attributed to Powell talking to Bush and Chenny pre Iraq invasion... ~:smoking:Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin Powell
Short of invasion there is really no way to stop Iran from developing nuclear capability. If they really want "the bomb" they will get it; if the basket case that is N.Korea can do it, Iran is a slam-dunk.
Iran most likely already has the bomb, however, it doesn't suit its purpose to announce it. The whole "peaceful nuclear energy" excuse goes out the window then.
The energy excuse makes sense though. As an oil exporter, nuclear energy is pure win => more hydrocarbons to send to market.
I say this despite the fact we export oil here, but 80% of our energy comes from coal.
IIRC, Iran may be an oil exporter, but they have very little refining capability so they can't supply themselves with fuel. They export crude, but import usable petro products.Quote:
Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny
Aha!
Refining consumes a lot of energy; nuclear power opens the way to a refining renaissance for Iran! :wink:
yea, the Internet Cyber Army !! Thanks for the Caution !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
but how do you know that ?!!!!
I don't get my news from newspapers, I know Iranians in the Netherlands, I am pretty well informed
thats good!! i think you are the only one!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
they are Persian or Kurds too ?!!!
Persians, most from Teheran. They are being watched by the regimes secret-service here as well. Nokia and Siemens sure did a good job of developing an great espionage-kit for the Iranian regimeQuote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
Yea! you know, if they for example, released a mobile with no battery, their company would be closed!! but when they gave that technology! European Union just Slaped Nokia & Siemens!! and you know, the matter for them is only nuclear program! not Human Rights!! human rights is only for them in Europe & United states and they dont care about the world !! even they may like it !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Their nuclear program is useless, you have to be incredibly stupid to believe the patriot-systems that were placed in Turkey are there to protect Turkey from Syria. That's the bad news for you though, Turkey is a Nato partner and they will never give up Kurdish territory in return, neither will Iraq. Pretty screwed. I didn't even know that there was a Kurdish community in Iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
Whatever they shoot will be taken down by the patriots, and we will have these baby's there in notime http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8sMgEsHC1Lc it will simly be shot down
yes indeed. the Turkeys Racism knows no limit !Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
and yes. Kurds are 55 million with no government for 2500 years and with fighting for freedom for 400 years !!
Kurds are in Iran-Syria-Turkey-Iraq!! and many in Armenia - Azerbaijan - Germany - Sweden - Englan - Netherlands!!
we were part to parted torned and they all wanted us to be Extinguished and vanished ! but despite their crimes they couldnt !! kurds will not be defeated!!
and many i should write but here's place is so little and need many posts and place!!
a summary = https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053526791 (POST 78#)
(read my Signature)
this too https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...-Civilization-!!
The Grey Wolves have a lot of influence here, Kurdish community is understanbly rather silent. I wouldn't expect all too much
info for your wellbeing so a black bag isn't the last thing you see, this site is hosted in Canada, every post you make on an foreign ip is going directly to the secret service automatically. You know how ruthless they are be carefull
I like the idea that there is someone who is forced to read all my posts.
you mean even proxy & unblockers(VPNs or Softwares) and hotshields?!! your kidding me?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
The Turkish Ultra-Racist Grey Wolves in Netherlands & Europe ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh my GOD !!!! what this Turks have been made of !!????Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Turks are Eating Europe!! im sorry for those Neo-Nazis that are being trialed and jailed for killing those Ultra-Racists !! they just wanted to Save Germany & Europe !!
No I am not kidding you anything going outside Iran on the internet is watchedQuote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
OH !!!!!!!!! Then , Farewell Brother !! i guess i'm done !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
can you save me & Complain to UN ?!!!! pffff!!! what did i say !! UN !!! What a Joke !!!!!!!!!
If you dislike the Grey Wolves, you should also dislike the Neo-Nazis. The Neo-Nazis don't really distinguish between Turks and Kurds, just FYI. I'd wager most of them don't even know there is a difference. Most normal people don't care or know either. I personally couldn't tell a Turk and a Kurd apart. I have a Turkish friend who may actually be Kurdish but he isn't even sure himself, and I don't think he really cares, he's pretty German in most regards anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
The Neo-Nazis only want to save themselves, they kill people because they lost their jobs and blame it on the dirty foreigners and stuff like that, you should be more careful who you are sorry for.
Seeing how the NSU was unable to distinguish between turks and greeks, I find it rather hard to believe they are able to distinguish between turks and kurds.
Also, kurds belong in the same category of untermensch in their eyes anyway.
your completely right !! i dont like Neo-Nazis!! if they were Nazis, they would obey Hitler's believe of ONE ARYAN NATION !! but they are just terrorists made by Zionists & Freemasons to show Nationalistic believes as Terrorism !! you know, i just hate Turkish Ultra-Racism! but you know again, All Turks if not Ultra, but they are Racist!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
and again your right! if you know maybe, Mesut Ozil (in Real Madrid & Germany) is a Kurd, he said himself. but because Turks & Arabs forced Kurds to Rename themselves Turkish or Arabic now distinguishing is very difficult !
we have almost 1.350.000 Kurds in Beloved Germany, but the USA's puppet Government of Germany, denied the kurds and told them TURK !!!!!!
the once friend and brother of Kurds, The Germans, now a government that even supports Kurd's Oppression & Suppression by Turkish Racist Government & Ultra-Racists.
why not?! they even sent chemical weapons for Saddam Hussain to Chemical & Genocide The Poor Kurdish Villagers and towns in Anfal of 1988-89.
Medya's posting seems to be the best argument against a kurdish state ever.
why ?! what is your problem !? you cant tolerate truth ?! if i speak about what you like, so im good person !!!????Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Because your posts are nothing more than a collection of paranoid ramblings, complete with zionist fears and petty local rivalries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
That's reality for some folksQuote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
it is the truth!! you must discuss not to offend!! in where i have insulted you or European/American people that you do it against me?! i refered to a racist Party that controls the world like Zionists & FreeMasons!! i have much Proofs & reasons to say that !! but you only dont want to listen what is against the Routin & habitual beliefs that they injected to your minds !! but you believe me or not .. needs discussion or ignoring, not to insult !! im very disappointed in you.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
you see !! you have hatred !! haha !!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
im not muslim !! Mula Krekar is one of few Muslim Extremist terrorist that does not mean represent the Kurds !! but im surprised why you only saw the little black side ?!! why you didnt see the bright side that Mariwan Halabjaee that criticised the origin of Islam, was fatwaed to be excommunicated and killed alongside Salman Rushdi ??!! he was Kurd too!!
and Ansar-Al-Islam is a sunni terrorist organization that its led by Iranian Islamic republic!! they are ARAB not Kurd!! the Kurdistans autonomous government too will also jail them if they be seen !!
why you see that we had never an Islamic terrorist group that suicide bomb or terror anyone against Islam or Sunnism ?!!!!! why the Kurdistans autonomous region does not have an Islamic Government ?! or support islamist terrorist ?!! In Kurdistans or Europe ?!!! while you see in Turks & Arabs & Persians had many many Islamist terrorism or Islamic Government or supporting islamist terrorism !!!
you dont have anything! you just want to insult and insult !!! never mind !! i will not think all Norwegian are like your ignorant, as we have more than 180.000 kurds in Norway living in peace with no problem with them even like Germany - Sweden - Franc - &.......! too will jail them if they be seen !!
why you see that we had never an Islamic terrorist group that suicide bomb or terror anyone against Islam or Sunnism ?!!!!! why the Kurdistans autonomous region does not have an Islamic Government ?! or support islamist terrorist ?!! In Kurdistans or Europe ?!!! while you see in Turks & Arabs & Persians had many many Islamist terrorism or Islamic Government or supporting islamist terrorism !!!
you dont have anything! you just want to insult and insult !!! never mind !! i will not think all Norwegian are like your ignorant, as we have more than 180.000 kurds in Norway living in peace with no problem with them even like Germany - Sweden - Franc - &.......!
I don't see this ending well.
Anyhoo, I'm fortunate to know that kurds are sane people like everyone else, and that the kurdish organizations in my local area works closely with the turkish organizatons, usually co-hosting their events. The few who wants to drive up racism and conflict, like Medya, drown in a sea of normal people.
While his posts are a little....out there, I don't think he really means to promote either of those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
He views nazism favourably and views the kurdish region as "us vs them".Quote:
Originally Posted by rajpoot
If that's not promoting racism and conflict, I don't know what is.
Thank You Rajpoot !! hahaha !! breathe one's last from laughing !! oh my god !! some moments ago he insulted Kurds and told them terrorists & killers, and then after by my respected and reasonable post thought he just says ***t! now he is condemning me to be RACIST while all my posts is against Racism!! well, when you dont have anything to, why you dont just run instead of defending at all cost !!! :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by rajpoot
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Originally Posted by HoreTore
i told original Nazism was to have one united Aryan country! and Neo-Nazis are not Nazism just attack anybody not German Race!!
i didnt say Nazism good or bad !!!
and yes- all the world knows upper 99% turks are racist and 20 % Ultra-Racist and hate Kurds (Specially) & persians & Bulgars & Greeks & Hungarians !!
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Originally Posted by HoreTore
I might be reading this wrong but what I got from this was that he hates the Neo Nazis, Nazis, Zionists and Freemasons and the ultra-racist Turks.Quote:
your completely right !! i dont like Neo-Nazis!! if they were Nazis, they would obey Hitler's believe of ONE ARYAN NATION !! but they are just terrorists made by Zionists & Freemasons to show Nationalistic believes as Terrorism !! you know, i just hate Turkish Ultra-Racism! but you know again, All Turks if not Ultra, but they are Racist!
I read it as a support of nazism and Hitler and a claim that neo-nazi's are a false flag movement created by the zionist movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajpoot
your eyes are completely right !!!! just i think he is a Racist Turk or a friend of a Racist Turk and influenced by Racist Turk!! or just an arrant rambler crossing the ORG !!Quote:
Originally Posted by rajpoot
....And you don't see the obvious racism in "hating zionism"(ie jews)....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
no have more than 2 million Kurdish Jews In Israel and Iran, why i should hate jews ?!! Zionists are not like simple jews !! Jewish = a Religions , Zionism = A Racist Party that have unlimited resources of economies of the world and do whatever they like and no one criticize them because they are hidden and with secrecy. and the Master of United States Policy !!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
dont make your insults and hatred Legalized !! say ok ! Excuse me i was misunderstood !!
Racist paranoia confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
There is no New World Order with its One World Government, there is no Zionist conspiracy secretly running the world.
Sorry.
by your say it will not change anything ! they are doing their work for New World order !! it can be seen in world now with a little wise !!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
oh !! you see !! your eyes shut your ears shut your mind controlled !! of course you only want to attack then legalize yourself that others join you !! you failed !!! hahaha !!
now your worthless to discuss !! i want to discuss with a grown and wise man even if he doesnt accept my beliefs !!
now all knows you just want to Impose your false thoughts and insult whoever doesnt like !!
End of Discussion with non itself (Controlled & think its his thoughts) and Fools.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAA
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Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
Are you trolling? The ratio of exclamation marks to letters in every single one of your posts is way above the international standard for reasonable posts.
So do all the people who ignore your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
:speechless:
What?
Why?
When?
:help:
:creep:
Wow, 30+ posts of worthless posts. I want the 30 seconds of skimming them back.
If only Tribesman was here - I'd say about 150-200 smileys from this thread alone.
dear Husar i think you too misunderstand me, ok i will never have this kind of discussions, not because im wrong, because these things that i say demand a very longer & splited discussions! my wrong is that im bringing a summary for what i tell, and not many understands, so i want peace with you here a gift for you!!! oh exxuse me i thought im in total war!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
anyway i want you accept my apologies and accept my frienship and peace, from now on i will change the way to discuss the people in here.
Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya, sounds like you have a lot of frustration on your mind. Why don't you start a thread, say, about the Kurdish freedom movement? Please don't make it a wall of text though, but open up for debate and questions about it :)
dear kadgar, ihave never thought about it !! but you know, this debate was not because of Kurdistan, the matter was Zionism & Freemasons, at all all Imperialists that changed/changes the world and control it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
and i dont know if i start THREAD, how many of these people that misunderstood me, will offense me blindly or ignore the thread!! because the genocide and division & Splitions of Kurdistan's, was/is directly connected with imperialistic administration of the world.
so i dont know what to do in this world !! i just think ...........ah never mind! :no: it needs an confabulate discuss that requires natural & Wise people !!
I never understood what was so bad about the freemasons. I always loved their architecture. Much better than that "Brutalist" garbage that somehow serves to turn every opportunity at beauty into a soul crushing experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
So tell me Kurdistan. What have the freemasons ever done to you?
I don't know either, but Iraq and Iran are artificial constructions that have nothing to do with demographics. The Kurds have a lot to be pissed off aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&rl...U4LHRSWZNFM%3A
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Originally Posted by Fragony
Well sure, but why pick on the poor freemasons?
I have absolutely no idea, but much like the Bilderberg group they don't want all too much attention that much is sureQuote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
i actually didnt hate Freemasons, as they are very talented & Wise persons, its not known but i have many proofs that Britain was influenced then caught by FreeMasons in 17th-18th Century and the USA was Founded & Powered it by them!! Freemason's past backs to Crusades as KNIGHT TEMPLARS! it needs too much discussion i will shorten it and make it summary! They were masons of architecture until 17th century, but because of 450 years tortured and excommunicated by the Church, and then they swore to change the world and but, and you may know they were taught KABALA an ancient dark magic by the jews, and they were expert at alchemy too!! but one of their beliefs is Imperialistic! they splited & Divided Kurdistan to 4 criminal Dictator & Racist Governments, despite they promised in the treaty of Sevres in 1920-1923, if not an independent nations, but at least an autonomous governments !! they even breaked that Treaty & promise and betrayed and sold out 30 million people in that time (now 55 million)!! because they saw more benefit & profit by not letting Kurdistan be Free & Independent!! the kurds uprised against britain but winston churchil the devil, told the royal army & airborne to bombard the poor Kurds that had the least technologie of weapons !! and .................and, they aided significantly to SADDAM HUSSAIN to Kill & Chemical & genocide the Poor Kurdish People (Specially Saddam destroyed 2600 Villages Completely and chemicaled bombed 380.000 unfortunate civilian people!!), and their aid to Ataturk to Expel & & genocide & mass killings of Kurds! and too much betrayals by USA & Britain! (Requries too much time to express)Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
i said only for Kurdistan not for example Imperialistic Activites and interferences of Germany & Africans & Middle&South Americans & Indochina & .......!
and plus that your Religious, their new world order is to wipe out all religions on earth and all must accept THEIR New World Order !!
and many many things wants time and long discuss in other thread !
Freemasons actually are the Templar order. Our new friend isn't that far off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights..._(Freemasonry)
The Order derives its name from the historical Knights Templar, but does not claim any direct lineal descent from the original Templar order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
So they claim, that's awesome. Is there a confusion overload happening here it is the same organisation, the freemasons are the temple order. Read books, libraries have themQuote:
Originally Posted by Conradus