Having not played the original shogun and not knowing anything about this peroid in Japan i am wondering what Clan people will play first when they get the game.
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Having not played the original shogun and not knowing anything about this peroid in Japan i am wondering what Clan people will play first when they get the game.
Shimazu was the first for me in the original STW. I'll go for Chosokabe now: small faction, poor Island, center of everything and nothing, challenges.
Probably Mori first; in the original it was a good first faction since it had two borders, allowing exploration of the development trees while simplifying defense. Once I've got a handle on the faction/economic/development aspects I'll try Chokosabe
Whichever one has the randomly included Female Naginata Heroes.
Shimazu because I like swords.
Been thinking Chosokabe, now leaning towardas Uesugi as well. Battle Monks and Trade bonus sound nice, but I really liked the Chosokabe starting position and special abilities.
So my first campaign is gonna be one of those two, I think.
Anything with katana samurai.
Date i think.
Either Shimazu or Chokosabe, haven't decided yet. I like factions who have their back to the wall, so to speak. Both Chokosabe and Shimazu have good starting positions, assuming they can unite their respective islands together first.
I was thinking Chokosabe cos of the good starting position. and the bow advantage, but having played them in the demo im thinking something diff. I think Date or some1 a bit out of the way.
I'm going to play Mori for the same reason United Provinces was my favorite faction in Empire: Trade/Navy centric nation forced to fight on land as well. And my plan would be to first capture enough land around me and take control of trade nodes, then take full naval supremacy and capture islands/peninsulas/strategic locations all over the coast.
Though my plan sounds a bit ambitious for very first campaign, it's something I want to try.
Shimazu!!!
*cuts heads off*
Shimazu - katana bonus.
I havent played either game and I dont have Enough RAm for Shogun 2 but I played Samurai Warriors 2 so Either The Oda or Hattori
I will play Shimazu first. They were my first campaign in STW, so, sort of for nostalgia. They also have an easy starting position so that might help me get my feet wet with this first game. I also like the clan color. Useugi will be second!
I'll probably first play as Takeda but I'm a bit surprised no one chose Hattori.
Uesugi, because my first campaign will likely be very defensive.
Shimazu - the first clan I played when the original came out. Nice to have your back covered while you work out what's going on, although with the addition of naval units.......
Hojo the first clan I played in Shogun 1
Originally Posted by IronPrince:
Welcome to the Org IronPrince! :bow:
Hojo the first clan I played in Shogun 1
I think Date or Shimazu, because, as others have noted, they have less neighbours - and therefore potential enemies. Once I figure out what I'm doing, then off to the rest. The new naval warfare will be an interesting experiment, though I prefer land combat.
I'll probably go the nostalgia route and play Mori as I did in my first STW campaign, though Shimazu is kind of tempting.
Hopefully after few fixes, Miyoshi or some other "minor" clan.
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
Actually, one of the minor clans would definitely interest me too.
Hopefully after few fixes, Miyoshi or some other "minor" clan.
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
At start ALL clans are minor clans!
Hopefully after few fixes, Miyoshi or some other "minor" clan.
Takeda. Takeda Shingen is my all time favourite, so it's definitely the proud Takeda.
Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x:
But ofcourse. I am just talking in terms how the clans are mentioned in the game files.
At start ALL clans are minor clans!
I'll probably grab a clan that is at one or another end of Japan, and slowly work my way out. I like to have my back covered. Of course, if naval invasions are working, this will probably be a moot tactic.
Originally Posted by Lemur:
They absolutely are in the demo. Playing with the Free Campaign mod (which does nothing but remove the scripting restrictions), the Miyoshi will drop half stacks on your back door if you're not guarding your coast line with a fleet.
I'll probably grab a clan that is at one or another end of Japan, and slowly work my way out. I like to have my back covered. Of course, if naval invasions are working, this will probably be a moot tactic.
Originally Posted by Monk:
What worries me a bit in this game is how the naval invasions will play out. Will a completely neutral faction from other end of the map drop faction leader, all heirs and a massive army to your shores without a single turns notice, or will there be massive stacks in single ship that you can easily sink thus ending/crippling clans.
They absolutely are in the demo. Playing with the Free Campaign mod (which does nothing but remove the scripting restrictions), the Miyoshi will drop half stacks on your back door if you're not guarding your coast line with a fleet.
Originally Posted by Zarky:
It's way too early to gauge anything of that nature, unfortunately. Even with the amazing work of a number of modders unlocking the demo, it's still a much smaller scale than anything we'll see in the retail edition.
What worries me a bit in this game is how the naval invasions will play out. Will a completely neutral faction from other end of the map drop faction leader, all heirs and a massive army to your shores without a single turns notice, or will there be massive stacks in single ship that you can easily sink thus ending/crippling clans.
From what I've seen the CAI makes decisions that makes sense. It gathers its strengths and marches on you in a show of concentrated force. If you're defending a bridge, it'll seek alternatives instead of rushing into a very hard, difficult battle. It's also done odd things: like absolutely crushing my armies in the field, but then not finishing the job and refusing to take my last province. Still: worlds more challenging than ETW's AI ever was. So we'll have to see.
When I buy the game and after try them all. :)
Oda, i shall redo Nobunaga's conquests. i shall conquer all of Japan under the banner of the demon king!
Takeda
You should all read Taiko !:)
Oda Nobunaga is probably the best character in the history of Japan. And his Hideyoshi...
Originally Posted by jean_s:
Brilliant book. I loved it.
You should all read Taiko !:)
Oda Nobunaga is probably the best character in the history of Japan. And his Hideyoshi...
Same for Musashi.
Not sure who I'll play first. Anyone have a pic of the map showing the clan starting positions?
Originally Posted by jean_s:
Funny, I was just eye up my copy on the shelf this morning thinking it might be a good time to re-read it. :2thumbsup:
You should all read Taiko !:)
Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito:
You can look at the starting positions in the encyclopedia of the Demo.
Not sure who I'll play first. Anyone have a pic of the map showing the clan starting positions?
And those who played the first Shogun can easily guess them :2thumbsup:
If i buy the game i will play Uesugi first. Their banner is the chinese character (kanji) for "Bi", which is the initial syllable for Bishamonten (毘沙門), the Buddhist god of war.
Uesugi Kenshin (aka Nagao Kagetora in his pre-Buddhist monk days) was the most famous of the Uesugi Daimyo during the Sengoku period, who due to his martial prowess and generalship skill was believed as an incarnation of Bishamonten. He was quite a character and fought two of the most interesting, bloody and monumental battles of the period, the 4th battle of Kawanakajima against Takeda Shinge's forces and the battle of the Tedorigawa river against Oda Nobunaga.
Interestingly the battles were similar on the reverse.
Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito:
Samurai Archives has some fun historical maps for browsing.
Not sure who I'll play first. Anyone have a pic of the map showing the clan starting positions?
http://www.samurai-archives.com/maphome.html
Takeda, because I read somewhere it has the best cavalry.
Yeah, it will certainly have in the game as it historically did.
Takeda has had an incredible surge in the later stages of the voting and dominates the poll...as it should be (I added that last bit for you Takeda fans :bow:)
Funnily enough the Tokugawa are very unpopular...
I think they should make a good game, sandwitched between teh Oda and teh Imagawa and being pretty much destined to fight multifront wars.
Originally Posted by gollum:
Rather then playing the winner, I think most people prefer to pick clans that historically weren't able to achieve supremacy. I will play as the Uesugi, and I intend to hoist the twin banners of Justice and Love across Japan.
Funnily enough the Tokugawa are very unpopular...
I think they should make a good game, sandwitched between teh Oda and teh Imagawa and being pretty much destined to fight multifront wars.
The incredible thing with the Tokugawa is that they were pretty unlikely winners in history.
They went through some pretty hard times, and some very unexpected reversals in areas they had no way to influence helped them, like the battle of Okehazama that dettached them from the Imagawa, the sudden and untimely death of Takeda Shingen that may well have beaten the Oda/Tokugawa alliance and either incorporated the Tokugawa in his vassals or wiping them out in his march to Kyoto and of course the assassination of Oda Nobunaga that made succession an issue in the Oda clan allowing Tokugawa Ieyasu the chance to step in and eventually achieve complete supremacy.
But yes, you are right i guess in what you say. In addition it seems that for some reason the Takeda enjoy lots of popularity. It could be because they figure out in the intro video too.
It's the cavalry gollum. It has to be the horses that make Takeda so popular - that and the Shingen "what-if" aspect. :charge:
Originally Posted by gollum:
Funnily enough the Tokugawa are very unpopular...
I think they should make a good game, sandwitched between teh Oda and teh Imagawa and being pretty much destined to fight multifront wars.
They have, to me, the crappiest bonus out of all the clans. CA gave them the Imagawa ability from Shogun 1. I would actually find them interesting if they have an interesting ability.
Yes, probably Gregoshi; cavalry has always attraction due to grace and power.
Originally Posted by :
Having not very advantageous abilities can make them interesting in itself, as you have to play better than the others on the battlefield to counter. On the other hand we don't know how the political aspects will play and how much the agents will count there. It mught be that actually you can have fun in the game-within-the-game of politics. Are there inheritences in S2 like in STW?
They have, to me, the crappiest bonus out of all the clans.
is there a wikia that lists the starting position and advantages of each clan?
Originally Posted by Furunculus:
The in game encyclopaedia lists all playable clan bonuses and starting locations, you can also look at the map to find out nearby province specialities.
is there a wikia that lists the starting position and advantages of each clan?
cheers.
Originally Posted by Furunculus:
We are working on it, help and contributions would be appreciated. ~;)
is there a wikia that lists the starting position and advantages of each clan?
https://forums.totalwar.org/wiki/ind.../Category:TWS2
maybe a link of it in the guides forum sticky, here in the tea house may make it more visible drone.
Date or Shimazu, leaning towards Date however - Charging out of the North of Honshu with a Van of NoDachi will be FUN.
The Uesugi are tempting, although their starting position looks only slightly pereferable to the southerners. Somethingt hat might be fun is to play Christian Shimazu... Swords and gunpowder?
Originally Posted by al Roumi:
Nah,The Takeda are the most popular faction,so they've been blessed a lot,with superior cavarly and good infantry,they are perfect for becoming Shogun of Japan.:book:
Date or Shimazu, leaning towards Date however - Charging out of the North of Honshu with a Van of NoDachi will be FUN.
The Uesugi are tempting, although their starting position looks only slightly pereferable to the southerners. Somethingt hat might be fun is to play Christian Shimazu... Swords and gunpowder?
Originally Posted by Napoleon The Emperor Of Europe:
They bloody need an advantage like that given their starting location...
Nah,The Takeda are the most popular faction,so they've been blessed a lot,with superior cavarly and good infantry,they are perfect for becoming Shogun of Japan.:book:
So it seems al Roumi, they definitely need it :)
Date sounds good from that perspective.
Originally Posted by al Roumi:
Their location is pefect for players like me.There are opposing armies to the north,and some wherre i think...But you must defeat them first,by gaining the new provinces you conqer.
They bloody need an advantage like that given their starting location...
I'm playing as Date. I allied with the green clan that starts next to you, and wiped out the red one. It kinda sucks that you hafta kill your brother at the beginning of the campaign, but whatever. My allies are my buffer for any invasion; I just march through them and expand elsewhere.
Originally Posted by Liberator:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DAktpko0KI&feature=related
Takeda!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g5vBdGoBSA
This good.
1st. Takeda - abandonned - expanded to fast, was not counting on all to become my enemy as RD hit
2nd. Takeda - abandonned - financial trouble, no ally, stood against the world ...
3rd. Takeda - Sei-tai-Shogun 1578
4th. Tokugawa - Shogun 1570 - all research done: 1600 winter