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Moderating in moderation.
The thread 'Overzealous Moderation' and the small spark between Togakure and Caravel were I believe both caused by the closure of Warman's thread, 'Rivals', which was rather obviously begun after he had taken offense at my jesting.
I am not assuming responsibility for the rashness of others, as I believe all of this kerfuffling is absolutely the kind of childishness the moderators have been attempting to prevent, but I feel I have good cause to say something to those I have indirectly affected.
On the issue of moderation, let me note this: Firstly, when I used the word 'bastard' in a Frontroom thread some days ago, I was contacted by a Frontroom moderator who in a most friendly and approachable manner informed me that as a result of discussion, the word was decided unacceptable for the Frontroom, and therefore I was to avoid its use in future. Not only this, but the moderator tempered the mood of his post with compliments regarding my other contributions to the Frontroom and the forum, and insisted I make him aware of any misunderstanding. I responded in a similar manner.
Secondly, I posted an indirect and chiding remark to the effect that I believed Warman's thoughts to be skewed by testosterone in the Frontroom. The moderators discussed this, found it unacceptable, sent a warning infraction through PM. They then reviewed the post, not looking for anything wrong but rather attempting to find some benevolence in the writing. Although I meant absolutely no compliment to Warman, the moderators actually discovered a way in which my post could have been meant for good, and chose to believe this instead.
They then withdrew the infraction point and apologised.
I have as many infraction points as anyone - certainly far more than average - and for a wide range of reasons. To my immediate memory none of them have been misunderstandings, and all of them have been lenient. I have never argued the case at all, and sometimes wondered why the punishment was not more severe. I am not about to become a Senior Member - I have no productive contributions to the forum outside the Main Hall - and I am quite a thorn in the enjoyment of the majority of members. Yet I have never had any trouble with the staff, and always found their judgement fair.
The Frontroom and other such places are not choked by the moderators, but by the attitudes of the clientel. In previous times, there was much raillery, jesting, insults and rivalry. But there was primarily discussion, news, ideas and fresh meat as they say, which made the more illegal but fun content more of a cultural sideshow. Now however the old members (Who are the only members at all), nostalgic for this, rather attempt to start a new thread and focus on being illegal and controversial, trying to make primary what was really a secondary by-product of interest, enjoyment and really civility.
You don't see the fellows on the TWC worrying about how things might go downhill, or how good things are - they are too busy living it - they are it, the way the Org was it.
You can't force it, you can't create a theorem and formula to make everyone sit down and have a good time, it will happen or it won't, and focusing on what you consider good old days is only preventing you from moving forward.
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Lastly I would like to say that I respect both Caravel and Togakure, and I think both were equally immature and rash in the way they took sides against each other over a small tiff that really wasn't their business anyway.
Kiss and make up.
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Glenn
Kiss and make up.
With the awful news in the announcement I am on the rebound and will gladly make-out with the first green to post in this thread, regardless of sex. Who's ready to cross the line?!
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Originally Posted by
Glenn
You can't force it, you can't create a theorem and formula to make everyone sit down and have a good time, it will happen or it won't, and focusing on what you consider good old days is only preventing you from moving forward.
This.
And thanks for posting this Glenn, wouldn't mind to see you contribute more good things. :bow:
edit: :sweetheart: Monk :iloveyou:
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Monk
With the awful news in the announcement I am on the rebound and will gladly make-out with the first green to post in this thread, regardless of sex. Who's ready to cross the line?!
Right here, big boy - wait, what? :hide:
-edit- Curse you, Husar! *shakes fist*
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With that said: I'm not pretending to speak for any of my other colleagues on staff when I say this. However, I think a big part of some of our uncharacteristic lashing-out in the Watchtower from earlier was due to raw emotions on our part. We had only received the news about Tosa a few hours prior and were still trying to process it when those other threads got a lot of traffic.
While not condoning or endorsing anyone's behavior, let me just say that yesterday was a horrible day for everybody and the textbook definition of extreme circumstances. I fear it's too late for Caravel to come back and see this (we didn't ban him, pretty sure he self-terminated his own account), but hopefully everyone will realize that there was a reason why things got a bit more testy than usual.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
edit- Curse you, Husar! *shakes fist*:
https://i55.tinypic.com/doqemr.gif
Fellas, fellas please. There's more than enough to go around :sweetheart:
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
With that said: I'm not pretending to speak for any of my other colleagues on staff when I say this. However, I think a big part of some of our uncharacteristic lashing-out in the Watchtower from earlier was due to raw emotions on our part. We had only received the news about Tosa a few hours prior and were still trying to process it when those other threads got a lot of traffic.
While not condoning or endorsing anyone's behavior, let me just say that yesterday was a horrible day for everybody and the textbook definition of extreme circumstances. I fear it's too late for Caravel to come back and see this (we didn't ban him, pretty sure he self-terminated his own account), but hopefully everyone will realize that there was a reason why things got a bit more testy than usual.
Since my thread seems to be what started all this lemme say.. The 'problems' of the org seem very far away right now, in all honesty. Not saying that to belittle the site or sweep anything under the rug but I find it very hard to get worked up over anything, for very obvious reasons. They'll be a time to settle issues of policy and who's testy with who later, but for me that isn't now. Right now I just wanna have fun here, post about the things I care about (TW and dumb stuff) and have a good time in the wake of a tragedy.
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It would be nice if we could all be a little more civil to one another, perhaps as a way of remembering our friend, whose stoic, soft-spoken persona and abundant friendliness and helpful nature were all legendary. If he could see some of our recent behavior, I'm sure it would frustrate his nostrils, or something equally unforgettable... and yet, I doubt he would have an unkind word to say even so.
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Askthepizzaguy
It would be nice if we could all be a little more civil to one another, perhaps as a way of remembering our friend, whose stoic, soft-spoken persona and abundant friendliness and helpful nature were all legendary. If he could see some of our recent behavior, I'm sure it would frustrate his nostrils, or something equally unforgettable... and yet, I doubt he would have an unkind word to say even so.
Perfectly said. :bow:
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Originally Posted by
Askthepizzaguy
It would be nice if we could all be a little more civil to one another, perhaps as a way of remembering our friend, whose stoic, soft-spoken persona and abundant friendliness and helpful nature were all legendary. If he could see some of our recent behavior, I'm sure it would frustrate his nostrils, or something equally unforgettable... and yet, I doubt he would have an unkind word to say even so.
:bow:
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Very well said ATPG.:bow:
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Originally Posted by
Askthepizzaguy
It would be nice if we could all be a little more civil to one another, perhaps as a way of remembering our friend, whose stoic, soft-spoken persona and abundant friendliness and helpful nature were all legendary. If he could see some of our recent behavior, I'm sure it would frustrate his nostrils, or something equally unforgettable... and yet, I doubt he would have an unkind word to say even so.
Talking about frustrated nostrils...
Enjoy!
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Originally Posted by
Askthepizzaguy
It would be nice if we could all be a little more civil to one another, perhaps as a way of remembering our friend, whose stoic, soft-spoken persona and abundant friendliness and helpful nature were all legendary. If he could see some of our recent behavior, I'm sure it would frustrate his nostrils, or something equally unforgettable... and yet, I doubt he would have an unkind word to say even so.
He proably would can us all ATPG! :laugh4:
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Andres
Talking about frustrated nostrils...
Enjoy!
Andres, I am far too NOSY for my own good, but three questions:
1. Why'd you switch off visitor messages?
2. Why is one of your titles disappeared? It usually says "Senior Member" or "Member", yours is missing.
3. Your PM box has exceeded the limit.
If you don't feel like indulging my curiosity, or it's nose of my business, then okay. But I'm a nosy, nosy person. :laugh4:
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Askthepizzaguy
Andres, I am far too NOSY for my own good, but three questions:
1. Why'd you switch off visitor messages?
2. Why is one of your titles disappeared? It usually says "Senior Member" or "Member", yours is missing.
3. Your PM box has exceeded the limit.
If you don't feel like indulging my curiosity, or it's nose of my business, then okay. But I'm a nosy, nosy person. :laugh4:
Ser is using me as a test subject for his experiments.
Don't be surprised if my username suddenly turns yellow, my title becomes "Litte Red Riding Hood" and my PM box becomes the larges in the universe, just like my... ehm :creep:
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Andres
Ser is using me as a test subject for his experiments.
Don't be surprised if my username suddenly turns yellow, my title becomes "Litte Red Riding Hood" and my PM box becomes the larges in the universe, just like my... ehm :creep:
Imagination? :bounce:
:wink: I joke, of course. ~:grouphug:
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Andres
Ser is using me as a test subject for his experiments.
Don't be surprised if my username suddenly turns yellow, my title becomes "Litte Red Riding Hood" and my PM box becomes the larges in the universe, just like my... ehm :creep:
Quiet - it accepts the title I give to it - or else it gets the hose again :whip:
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Good God. He's turned.... GREEN! It's the most horrible thing I've ever seen.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?!?! WHAT HORRIBLE THING HATH CLEGANE WROUGHT??? Andres! Andres.... speak to me!
HE'S NOT EVEN HUMAN ANYMORE!!!
What have we done o lord, that warrants such punishment?
The Red One must be appeased.... more Senior Members for the bonfire of appeasement!
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Askthepizzaguy
Good God. He's turned.... GREEN! It's the most horrible thing I've ever seen.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?!?! WHAT HORRIBLE THING HATH CLEGANE WROUGHT??? Andres! Andres.... speak to me!
HE'S NOT EVEN HUMAN ANYMORE!!!
What have we done o lord, that warrants such punishment?
The Red One must be appeased.... more Senior Members for the bonfire of appeasement!
*gun blast*
... S'alright everybody, i got 'im! ~D
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*looks over shoulder*
Got who?
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Askthepizzaguy
*looks over shoulder*
Got who?
Jesus christ I missed. Someone distract him while I reload! :help:
Oh.. Uhh.. HEEEEY ATGP.. how're you? ~D
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Monk
Jesus christ I missed. Someone distract him while I reload! :help:
Oh.. Uhh.. HEEEEY ATGP.. how're you? ~D
Ask The Girly Pants is not amused!
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Askthepizzaguy
Ask The Girly Pants is not amused!
I'm quite partial to the girly pants myself. But you're right Gone Away Plucking Tulips, I should be more careful with my acronyms. Never know what might happen...
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Monk
I'm quite partial to the girly pants myself. But you're right Gone Away Plucking Tulips, I should be more careful with my acronyms. Never know what might happen...
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BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I'M STILL HUMAN BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP.
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Andres
BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I'M STILL HUMAN BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP.
Archive photo of Andres from the 2008 staff christmas party:
YOU CAN'T FOOL ME.
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Andres
BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I'M STILL HUMAN BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP.
Such foul language, Andres. I'm glad we still have that auto-censor.
He's still quite sexy. Work that.... plunger? http://forums.civfanatics.com/images...s/confused.gif
Andres is the most advanced bathroom assistant for the staff I have ever seen. I bow before his golden greatness.
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Initiating maintenance procedure on patrons Askthepizzaguy and Monk.
Bzzz bzzzt bzzz.
Refreshing oil
New electricity
Replacing broken parts
Error...
Picking up correct screwdriver
Upgrading meatbags
Test
Test
Test
Bzzz bzzzt bzzz
Meatbag... Bzzzt Patrons are now upgraded and fully functional. Free of charge.
Bleep bleep beep.
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Andres
upgraded and fully functional.
Awesome! I can shoot spider webs out of my.....
:inquisitive:
Oh.
While I suppose that is, technically, anatomically correct, it's not nearly as cool as what Spider-Man does... :book:
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Well, that thread went downhill...
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Jaguara
Well, that thread went downhill...
It went downhill in the best possible way. I thank them for the laughs and for the wit and humour they displayed to defuse these kinds of threads. :bow:
But still...Andres, moderator? I'm running away. :creep:
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I don't think the thread went downhill - those who posted here have read what I had to write, and there is nothing more to be said.
It is good to see 'spam' sprung from something other than malice and boredom.
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edyzmedieval
It went downhill in the best possible way. I thank them for the laughs and for the wit and humour they displayed to defuse these kinds of threads. :bow:
But still...Andres, moderator? I'm running away. :creep:
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Originally Posted by
Glenn
I don't think the thread went downhill - those who posted here have read what I had to write, and there is nothing more to be said.
It is good to see 'spam' sprung from something other than malice and boredom.
Exactly. The forums been kind of a downer lately, its really good to see some spontaneous humor.
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Chuchip
Exactly. The forums been kind of a downer lately, its really good to see some spontaneous humor.
I'm late to the party, and all the snacks are gone, but I agree.
Also, if spam were always this good, I'd be less hungry.
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Glenn
I don't think the thread went downhill - those who posted here have read what I had to write, and there is nothing more to be said.
It is good to see 'spam' sprung from something other than malice and boredom.
Well, sorry to be a stick in the mud, but this isn't the Frontroom, it is a "productive" room. Also, who says there was nothing else to say? There is no room for other opinions or discussion? Excessive spam diverts the thread and effectively ends the discussion.
There, now the grumpy old man will go back in his cage and you guys can get back to having fun.
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And were you being productive when you made a simple, closed judgement upon the thread without offering discussion?
Why don't - oh, I see you really are atop a high horse!
Well then that is quite alright Jaguar, the only man I love more than an honest man is an equestrian.
Please continue.
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My first ever double post.
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The discussion was over, saved my thoughts for another day...
