Will Donald Trump shut up now?

Well, since I made a complete fool of myself in another thread we shall never mention again, what better way than to start another one about another circus clown, Donald Trump?

Obama's birth certificate released.

Will Trump and the rest of the deranged birthers now finally shut the hell up? Or will we hear desperate cries of 'obvious photoshop is obvious'?

Finally, what was the reason for all this nonsense? I've never quite understood why this issue was pushed at all. I can understand the PR Trump got by bringing it up, but what about the rest? Did some people actually believe that this could cause Obama to resign?

Please, if anyone has some insights into these peoples motives, do enlighten me.

Unlikely. Conspiracy theorists are remarkably immune to evidence and reason. And that's not limited to birthers; truthers and ZOG conspiracists all seem to suffer from the same malady.

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Will Trump and the rest of the deranged birthers now finally shut the hell up?

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Nope.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13212230

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Please, if anyone has some insights into these peoples motives, do enlighten me.

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Nope.

Regarding the thread title, apparently Donald Trump is a huge American hero for raising this nonissue in the first place:

"I've accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish," Trump said in the political bellwether state of New Hampshire, which will host an early 2012 Republican Party nominating contest.

"I was just informed while on the helicopter that our president has finally released a birth certificate. I want it look at it, but I hope it's true."

"I am really honoured, frankly, to have played such a big role in getting rid of this issue.

"We have to see is it real, is it proper, what's on it. But I hope it checks out beautifully. I am really proud."

Ah, that didn't take long:

Phil Berg, who filed one of the original birther lawsuits, now believes that Obama was adopted by his Indonesian father and lost his U.S. citizenship:

“I think the issue is that he’s not any more natural born. I don’t care if he releases his birth certificate or whatever,” said Berg. “Let’s see his records coming back through immigration”

Orly Taitz, once called ‘Queen of the birthers’ and who was responsible for a number of lawsuits, says she is verifying the document’s authenticity and now believes that the president is using a false social security number.

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Unlikely. Conspiracy theorists are remarkably immune to evidence and reason. And that's not limited to birthers; truthers and ZOG conspiracists all seem to suffer from the same malady.

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Great Lemur the Poll Smoker, do you have any insights into these peoples motivation? I've never understood just why they've kept this circus going....

that was a mistake on Obama's part....you don´t give attention to idiots.

just makes them act up more.

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Great Lemur the Poll Smoker, do you have any insights into these peoples motivation? I've never understood just why they've kept this circus going....

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Hmm. I would say that each conspiracy theorist is different. People who think the moon landings were faked are very different from people who think that vaccines give children autism. I dunno if there's a broad statement you can make about conspiracy theorists that would be true for all. They share traits with the clinically paranoid, though; a deep-seated belief that everything makes sense on some level, and that nothing is random. In a way they're kinda cute and pitiable -- they refuse to recognize how much of life, history and Great Events are predicated on luck and chaos theory.

Birthers are obviously invested in seeing President 44 as illegitimate, "the usurper," as I've heard some call him. This could be based in a few different things, such as sour grapes over losing an election, plain old racism, a tendency to believe conspiracies in general, or any number of causes.

I have noticed that people who hold extreme political views tend to believe that since they have latched onto the Ultimate Truth, it doesn't make sense that so few others believe their Ultimate Truth. This leads to more conspiracy theories. The Media is covering their truth up, for example, or fluoride in the water has led to brainwashing of the masses (conspiracy theorists love to call everyone who isn't in the clique "sheeple," a fast tip-off for when you're dealing with a nutter).

You could make a case that the hard right has formed such an impermeable shell of mutual beliefs and self-reinforcing media groups (see "epistemic closure") that the notion of a majority of Americans voting for a candidate who does not conform to their belief system is unthinkable, impossible, and must be explained away by other means.

I have no poll data to back any of this up. Just thinking out loud.

Amazing. I cannot believe he felt the need to do this. An American president backed into a corner by reality TV star Donald Trump?

Personally, I'd rather see the college records - and specifically how he managed to get into Harvard (AA?). Maybe if the Donald mentions them on Celebrity Apprentice, the prez will feel obligated. :laugh4:

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Amazing. I cannot believe he felt the need to do this. An American president backed into a corner by reality TV star Donald Trump?

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For a man on ran his campaign on greater transparency, I'm not that surprised, tbh.

I'm more interested in finding out what species of animal is currently residing on Donald Trump's cranium.

Nice to see Mr. Trump does other things with his time that spouting some patriotic feel good crap about how he loves his homeland and likes to show it by forcing people off their land to build luxury golf resorts.

Anyway, this might have been a good move by the Obamination. Birtherism was kind of mainstream, this may relegate it to the really hardcore right-wing fringe.

Five euro says that within two hours the web was full of DNAer's posting thread titles on how an Obama was born in Hawaii but is it the current Prez?? we need a DNA test now.

In fact I seen summit like it in the NOTW thread before

http://www.westernjournalism.com/its...stigate-obama/

I don't see why the heck he did not just release it in the first place. Seriously, he released it now, so he obviously had nothing to fear this entire time. I simply cannot comprehend what his reasoning was.:dizzy2:

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:laugh4::laugh4:

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I don't see why the heck he did not just release it in the first place. Seriously, he released it now, so he obviously had nothing to fear this entire time. I simply cannot comprehend what his reasoning was.:dizzy2:

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His reasoning is the same as any American would have been, to actually give in to this stuff just shows how stupid the debate is at the minute in the USA. The country facing huge debts and a myraid other problems but all Trump wants to see is Obama's birth cert, Obama should ask for Trump's wigmaker for crimes against humanity.

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I don't see why the heck he did not just release it in the first place. Seriously, he released it now, so he obviously had nothing to fear this entire time. I simply cannot comprehend what his reasoning was.:dizzy2:

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His reasoning is the rightwing point scoring below:

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I cannot believe he felt the need to do this. An American president backed into a corner by reality TV star Donald Trump?

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As for me, I'm with Obama: he is a man in charge of serious affairs. The less time and public energy devoted to nonsense the better.
Not that this will change anything. The loony right will simply move on to their next campaign. Some out of conviction, others because they realise the political game: the part of the electorate that is susceptible to this is never persuaded by argument in the first place. All that they remember is 'and wasn't there also some fuzz about his birth certificate? I'm not sure we should trust a man who seems to be surrounded by controversy all of the time'

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I don't see why the heck he did not just release it in the first place. Seriously, he released it now, so he obviously had nothing to fear this entire time.

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Actually, he needed to apply for a waiver to Hawaiian law to get the long form. Foolishly, he thought showing the legal document (short form, the one you use to get a driver's license or a passport), the testimony of the Republican governor and her Department of Health would be sufficient.

Now, suddenly Donald Trump is riding high in the polls from stroking the birthers. So President 44 applied for an exception to the policy, flew his attorney to Hawaii, and got the danged thing.

I love how quickly this has pivoted from "What does he have to hide?" to "Why did he take so long?"

He did not take long. He proved his citizenship years ago, and made all of the relevant documents public in 2007.

'scuse me but who's donald trump?

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'scuse me but who's donald trump?

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And in further denialist news, we have the Queen Bee speaking up:

Specifically, Taitz thinks that the birth certificate should peg Obama's race as "Negro" and not "African."

"In those years ... when they wrote race, they were writing 'Negro' not 'African'," Taitz says. "In those days nobody wrote African as a race, it just wasn't one of the options. It sounds like it would be written today, in the age of political correctness, and not in 1961 when they wrote white or Asian or 'Negro'."

And at least one lawmaker is trying to keep the homefires burning:

"What I've seen online, what they produced today, still says certificate of live birth across the top," she told me. And she's right.

But why isn't that just a nomenclature issue? Why does it matter?

"We want to see a 'birth certificate,'" Guthrie explained. "The one that we have that says 'birth certificate' is from Mombassa, Kenya, with his footprint on it. He has still not produced an American birth certificate."

Guthrie is referring to an internet rumor that Lucas Smith, an Iowa activist, found a birth certificate from Kenya that contains all the information skeptics want to see from Obama. It was introduced as evidence in one of Orly Taitz's filings. The problem: That certificate is forged.

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His reasoning is the rightwing point scoring below:

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Hey, don't blame this all on rightwing point scoring. The story originated with the Clinton campaign in '08. :beam:

As Louis said, right wing point scoring, then. ~;)

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Hey, don't blame this all on rightwing point scoring. The story originated with the Clinton campaign in '08. :beam:

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Yes...well...but...back then, before this had all been resolved, Hillary was right to call into question the allegiance of this unknown man. Who was as of then of unclear past, with a racist pastor and who possibly palled around with terrorists. Bless Hillary for clearing all that up in the face of stiff opposition from PC political sentiment, those vile racists who would have stifled Hillary's brave search for the truth because she was but a whitey and he a noble Black man. Bunch of misogynists, tsk.

Does the Donald ever shut up? Sadly, no.

The key to distinguishing conspiracy theorists, I think, is that they won't change their position no matter what evidence you show them. Long form certificate? They need DNA. DNA? It was fake! A 30 year long video chronicling Obama's life from birth through living in Chicago? It had a five minute break, wherein they switched the real and the imposter Obama!

I think that tweet from Nate Silver is great.

Finally, I love Louis' new sig.

CR

This is still in a issue?

Time flies when you've descended into emotionally driven destructive alcoholism

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'scuse me but who's donald trump?

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A billionaire blowhard who wants to be president in 2012. And is using his TV presence to start the campaign now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX5ueEKsSWc

what else needs to be said really?

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A billionaire blowhard who wants to be president in 2012. And is using his TV presence to start the campaign now.

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Of course, with recent events, it's now questionable if he's a born American citizen. But that's nothing a birth certificate, DNA-samples from him and his parents and a few witnesses of his birth can't fix.

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what else needs to be said really?

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I never knew Trump's towers were built on the blood of disrespected slaves and freedom fighters. :drama2:

I think Baratunde has been reading a little bit too much about Malcolm X.

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what else needs to be said really?

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Zeigen Sie mir ihre Papiere! Schnell!

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what else needs to be said really?

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Well...

A ban on interracial marriage has only been deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court since 1967. So is Obama a legal American citizen anyway? Or an illegal product of miscegenation between an African serial playa and a naive American teenage mother, who should not have received US citizenship?

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I never knew Trump's towers were built on the blood of disrespected slaves and freedom fighters.

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As you're fond of saying, source? I missed the part where the vlogger made that assertion.

Disenfranchisement was, in fact, a favored tool during Jim Crow, as you well know. You may not agree with that guy's conclusions, but the parallels he draws are legit.

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As you're fond of saying, source? I missed the part where the vlogger made that assertion.

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PJ, the flaws in your argument are varied and multitudinous.

(1) You state that you are not "aware" of any birthers who have "cited racism as their prime motivator." Mm-hmmm. So let's get this straight, if a birther were to say anything short of, "The reason I am raising the issue of Obama's birth is that I hate negroes in general," well then, they don't fall within your ad hoc definition, do they? You've moved the goalposts so far back that they aren't even in the game. By you reasoning, anyone who does not preface a statement with, "I am a self-professed racist" cannot be a racist, and anyone suggesting racist motives is the real racist. Quite the little cul-de-sac.

(2) Equating birtherism and trutherism. This is arrant nonsense. Bitherism has been tacitly endorsed by sitting senators, congresscritters, major media figures, etc. ad infinitum. To summon a political/moral/media equivalence with a fatuous line of logic that truthers "also had celebrity members with large public forums," I mean, really, now. So a washed-up B-list like Danny Glover excuses, exonerates and equates Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck? Really? Or do you really mean to suggest that the fringe truthers had the same pull and the same flirtation with Dem leadership that the Repubs have been playing with for the last three years? This is sophism, pure and simple.

(3) You seem to conflate every person who sees racial issues into one gigantic anti-white monstrosity, a neverending tide of black victimology that serves no purpose but to stifle debate and make good whites like you weary. I think you oversimplify and gloss over a great deal. Turning every person concerned with racism into a mini Al Sharpton may be convenient for your rhetoric and posturing, but it does a disservice to pretty much everybody, including yourself.

(4) You suggest that all critics of the current President are tarred with racism. I call BS. I haven't heard critics of the bank bailout being called racist. I haven't heard anyone calling the people who spoke out against our Libyan adventure racists. Please feel free to show me where the R word has been flung against people who argued against his tax policy or his take on DOMA. If you were correct, and racism were the blanket defense of every little thing Obama does, then wouldn't we be hearing it across the board? But the moment anyone points out that questioning his legitimacy as president, his citizenship, smacks of Jim Crow, and suddenly you're tired and fatigued from all of these uppity blacks and their enablers questioning the motives of freaking lunatics who won't accept any proof that the president is who he says it is, and demand papers or they're going to do something against this usurper.

It is your privilege as a well-born white American male to declare that you're all done with any discussion of race, class or sex. Hey, it's a free country, and you're empowered to say whatever you please. But be aware that in your fatigue and exhaustion with all things related to race, you're siding with scum like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cLxQ4B23_g

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PJ, the flaws in your argument are varied and multitudinous.

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Varied? Possibly. Multitudinous? Now you're just piling on. :beam:

In all seriousness, it is best that I step away from this discussion before it starts. I think you've made some good points and also a few flaws in your analysis as well, and I do appreciate the thought you put into it.

As for Grady Warren, he's not a TEA partier, he's just a con artist trying to sell tee shirts. Don't be another one of his victims, like all those poor people who supported his crusade against rich, white, cat-bait fishermen. :shame:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=431_1232680237

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Varied? Possibly. Multitudinous? Now you're just piling on.

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True dat. I shouldn't type while sleepy. Makes me overreach.

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As for Grady Warren, he's not a TEA partier, he's just a con artist trying to sell tee shirts.

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Gadzooks! I been bamboozled! Oh, the shame. And I usually have a very good satire sensor. Dang it.

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I never knew Trump's towers were built on the blood of disrespected slaves and freedom fighters. :drama2:

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Given the emotional tone of the video that sentence is really the only point were he goes off the rails.

the rest is spot on.....and the fact that this tiny bit of hyperbole is the only thing you could pick on kinda proves that point.

Has Donald Trump ever produced vaccination proof for that furry animal he carries around on his head?

I feel this might be the next big election issue!

That Teahad guy looks like the progressive, intellectual version of the European populist right that's been winning elections all over Europe the past year.


Half the Eurorgs here would instantly vote for him. Sadly, I'm not completely opposed to everything he says myself. :shame:

Nevertheless, Donald Trump is still better than Sarah Palin (I think.)

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That Teahad guy looks like the progressive, intellectual version of the European populist right that's been winning elections all over Europe the past year.

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that guy comes across as an intellectual to you?

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that guy comes across as an intellectual to you?

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...as compared to the European populist right.


Who've been winning elections all across Europe. If he'd ran, by next year Teahad guy could be president in about a dozen West European countries. That is, if he would tone down a bit on the gun rights but crank up on the chest thumping and racism.

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=431_1232680237

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Did no one else find the cat-bait scam as funny as I did? ~:(

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Did no one else find the cat-bait scam as funny as I did? ~:(

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I thought it was hilarious.

Danny Glover is not a b-list actor

take it back

From the way back machine-

Trump called for the death penalty for a 14 year old - who turned out to be innocent.

CR

Obvious photoshop is obvious.

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Great Lemur the Poll Smoker, do you have any insights into these peoples motivation? I've never understood just why they've kept this circus going....

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Unfortunately Polls can never tell you 'why' someone thinks something, only that they do think something or at least claim to think something. Even if you were to ask them the reason they would more often than not just repeat something they heard in the media somewhere, rather than the actual reasoning.

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Unfortunately Polls can never tell you 'why' someone thinks something, only that they do think something or at least claim to think something. Even if you were to ask them the reason they would more often than not just repeat something they heard in the media somewhere, rather than the actual reasoning.

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So I hurd my president is a muslim.
http://youtu.be/3c-Ijky95dc

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Obvious photoshop is obvious.

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Obvious troll is obvious.

Let me be clear: gratuitous use of silly one line responses such as "obvious whatever is obvious" and the like is frowned on here in the Backroom. It counts as spam since it adds nothing to the debate save inflating post count.

We expect a slightly higher standard of discussion here. I'd rather rely on members' desire to help maintain a place for respectful debate unlike much of the rest of the intertubes, but I am quite prepared to inflict infraction points onto the pointless.

Thank you kindly.

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Yeah, sorry 'bout that... :shame:

(Skip to ca 9:50)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mzJhvC-8E&feature=player_embedded#at=642

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk

Huh.

Seems like the question is no longer "is it fake?", but rather "why is it so obviously fake?"

The insane never rests.

I dunno why everyone questions Obama's birth sure everyone knows the Bilderberg/NWO/Lizard Aliens pick all the worlds leaders even the tiny places like San Marino :yes:

I would guess that if they are able to prove obama wasnt born in america they could use that to get obama out of office. Or something I dont realy know much about american citizenship and its relation to government.

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I would guess that if they are able to prove obama wasnt born in america they could use that to get obama out of office. Or something I dont realy know much about american citizenship and its relation to government.

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Obama has the support of half the american population.

If he was to be forced out of office over such nonsense, the american democracy would be a charade.

Considering this tactic is being taken seriously by obama's opponents, it already is.

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Obama has the support of half the american population.

If he was to be forced out of office over such nonsense, the american democracy would be a charade.

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lol, there are rules, and they need to be followed. A non-natural citizen cannot be president. That is an important rule, and it is there for a reason. I am not saying that Obama is not a citizen, but if he is not, the only course of action would be to kick him out and repeal all laws signed while he was in office.

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lol, there are rules, and they need to be followed. A non-natural citizen cannot be president. That is an important rule, and it is there for a reason. I am not saying that Obama is not a citizen, but if he is not, the only course of action would be to kick him out and repeal all laws signed while he was in office.

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Why is it important?
And what is the reason?

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lol, there are rules, and they need to be followed. A non-natural citizen cannot be president. That is an important rule, and it is there for a reason. I am not saying that Obama is not a citizen, but if he is not, the only course of action would be to kick him out and repeal all laws signed while he was in office.

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These rules address whether or not you are electable into $office. So your complaints/requests-for-information should be directed at whoever is responsible for the elections that saw him win... :juggle:

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Why is it important?
And what is the reason?

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At the time the constitution of the United States was written, there was a legitimate fear that the Brits would try to take us back in some way. Barring non-natives from taking the supreme executive was meant as a safeguard against us backsliding into the British Empire, or becoming proxies for France. We were a small, poor nation at the time, and rightly fearful of a major European power meddling in our elections.

Not terribly relevant now, but you asked why it was in there.

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At the time the constitution of the United States was written, there was a legitimate fear that the Brits would try to take us back in some way. Barring non-natives from taking the supreme executive was meant as a safeguard against us backsliding into the British Empire, or becoming proxies for France. We were a small, poor nation at the time, and rightly fearful of a major European power meddling in our elections.

Not terribly relevant now, but you asked why it was in there.

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Thanks for the history lesson. As I read it I remembered it from school. Good to be reminded though.

Now as to how that is relevant now..

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Now as to how that is relevant now..

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We don't like foriegners in charge of our armed forces. ~;)

According to WaPo birther ranks have been halved since Obama released his "long-form":

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In interviews following the public release the president’s “long-form” birth certificate last week, fully 70 percent of Americans say Obama was born in Hawaii, a big bump-up from the 48 percent who said so a year ago. Even more say he was U.S.-born, or call that their best guess, for a total of 86 percent.

Overall, 10 percent of Americans say Obama was likely born abroad, down from 20 percent in an April 2010 Post-ABC poll. Almost all those who now say Obama was born in a foreign country say that it’s only their “suspicion;” just 1 percent claim “solid evidence” that the president was born elsewhere (9 percent said so last year).

The drop-off in the mistaken belief that Obama was not-U.S.-born has come most prominently among his sharpest critics. Today, 14 percent of Republicans say Obama was not born in the U.S., down from 31 percent in April of last year. Among the most conservative Republicans, the number of skeptics fell from 35 to 16 percent.

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So, can we safely dismiss the small minority that remains as kooks at this point?

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According to WaPo birther ranks have been halved since Obama released his "long-form":So, can we safely dismiss the small minority that remains as kooks at this point?

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Not until mainstream politicians feel that they are no longer worth catering to.

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Not until mainstream politicians feel that they are no longer worth catering to.

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I haven't heard a national-level politician playing semantics with this since the long form was posted. None of that, "I take him at his word," or "I suppose he's a citizen" or "It's an important question" any of that malarkey. I think the age of the birther is finally over.

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I haven't heard a national-level politician playing semantics with this since the long form was posted. None of that, "I take him at his word," or "I suppose he's a citizen" or "It's an important question" any of that malarkey. I think the age of the birther is finally over.

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Trump. Also, Bachmann was going to until the interviewer kept saying that this was the proof, is this over and to save face she had to say yes.

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Trump. Also, Bachmann was going to until the interviewer kept saying that this was the proof, is this over and to save face she had to say yes.

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link?

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link?

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Donald Trump continuing the birther fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8EoVNVOoYU


Michelle Bachmann caving to George Stephanopoulos but not before concluding "Well, as long as it is introduced, I guess it is over."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb7cm00a7cA

It's not that hard to read between the lines in that video, full of "I guess" and "should" when really this is an issue where the facts have been out since 2009.

Both videos are from before the long form birth certificate was made public last week.

ahh, my bad then.

Going back to the OP, I doubt that The Donald will ever "shut up," but it looks as though nobody will be listening.

Hannity tries to defend Donald Trump by saying Trump has to first finish The Apprentice reality television show before participating in any debates. In the background, the focus group of Republican voters can actually be heard laughing at Hannity's claim. When focus group moderator Frank Luntz asks the group if they accept Hannity's reasoning they almost universally say no. Hannity tries to explain himself further, saying that Trump is "contractually obligated" to finish The Apprentice, but the group remains unconvinced.

The scene is important because it reflects upon the major obstacle for Trump in his attempt to win the Republican Party presidential nomination. Many voters do not view Trump as a "serious" candidate despite his repeated claims to the contrary. It certainly does not help Trump when people like Hannity explain his absence by pointing to a reality television show that must first be completed.

Anyone that ever considered him a serious GOP contender should have their heads examined. He's (imo) a complete joke and the worst sort of opportunist. And, no, he'll never shut up.

So basically he's a slightly less crazy glen beck?

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I'm more interested in finding out what species of animal is currently residing on Donald Trump's cranium.

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I'm going to go with a muskrat.
http://www.rsmintermediate.com/leewe...m/muskrat2.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk

It seems the question is no longer "is it real?", but "why is it so obviously fake?"

The insane never rests.




Note to the mods: yes, this guy is a nazi, but youtube allows his ramblings, so.....

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk

It seems the question is no longer "is it real?", but "why is it so obviously fake?"

The insane never rests.

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idk, his sister does have a degree in photography after all, so this guys knows what he is talking about.

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I dunno, he's still being treated with a great deal of respect and deference on Fox. Until they turn on him, I suspect he's still in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faUuuV6weS8

Trump has as much chance as any GOPer of knocking Obama off the perch in 2012. Therefore, he has a right to blather as much as he wishes.

Obama is:

1) the incumbent

2) a proven campaigner (more job experience with this than with the Presidency so far)

3) one of the best dems ever at raising campaign funds

4) intelligent

5) black (makes one core group of Dem voters a virtual closeout, est. 95%+ of this bloc)

6) a good speaker in front of large groups and solid on television, and

7) has no "stains" in his personal life -- unless you buy into the fabricated cert nonsense.


So, I suspect it's fairly irrelevant which GOP candidate goes up against Obama in 2012. Unless the economy double dips back into recession, none of them are going to be able to convince the undecideds that they would have done better or can do substantially better in the future.

Verdict: Obama stays -- not likely by a landslide, but with a solid if modest win.