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If that's a speech from a movie, then my compliments. It sounds very real.
If it is a real speech, then I don't know what to say....it sounds very Hollywood.
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Oh and by the way, Happy Independence Day to all Americans. ~:cheers: The Star Spangled Banner is one of my all time favourite songs.
It's from the Patton movie. Good movie, btw.
Happy independence day to you Americans, long live the US and A ~;)
I stopped halfway through.
First of all, he looks like a royal, and is presented like one, had Americans already forgotten the sacrifices made to fight the royals in the war for independence by 1945?
Secondly, "Americans hate losing, that's why America has never lost a war, and will never lose a war", on one hand I could say Vietnam, on the other hand, America's enemies hated losing, too, but they lost wars, that may be a nice speech for patriotic people who don't think twice, but for me he needs to try a little harder. ~;)
Patton was a general during the second World War.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Even then, he'd still be wrong, but meh.
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Happy Independence Day, everyone!
Have a good one, my American friends. And Strike, you feast on that fried sucker like there's no tomorrow.
AII
Happy Independence Day to all my fellow 'Mericans. And best wishes to all other Orgahs, except for the hated British, who will taste blackpowder defiance at the end of my musket. Or something like that.
You have to remember with Patton your looking not at the average Yank, but a southern Aristocrat. Who came from an upper class military family and married money. His Grand-father, whom he was named after was a Confederate General in the civil war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
It's actually both. The movie Patton used this as an opening. The producers took chunks from a bunch of real addresses by Patton cobbled them together and had George C Scott read it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by india
Language Warning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M
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The new statue of Thomas Jefferson along the banks of the Seine. It was installed on the fourth of July, five years ago to date. By lovers of the ancient traditions of French-American fascination and friendship. Forever a dying breed, but one that still wields prestige, money (the Virginians) and pens (French), and that can still get one of their American heroes cast in bronze and placed directly opposite the Louvre.
Jefferson stands facing the hôtel de Salm, which inspired Jefferson's Monticello. Of which Jefferson was himself the architect. The statue is a-political, a statue of a foreign leader standing right between the French assembly and the Louvre is a bit much as it was. However, semingly innocently Jefferson is waving in his left hand his blueprint for his Monticello. A building inspired by the Paris' example in front of him. A nod then to the America he built. One build not just out of stone, but of ideas, for both of which he drew inspiration from his years in Paris. He holds his architectural plans for the new world directly at the left bank, the centres of state power to his right, of learning to his right. The statue seduces, subtly, like a man can who's lived in Paris for five years, as Jefferson did. He seduces by ostensibly paying a compliment, by drawing inspiration from what he sees in front of him. Drawing the spectator closer, inspiring to take a closer look, for him to discover that, although looking at France it is America that Jefferson is drawing, a whole new world, to love and to draw inspiration from in return.
It is beautiful.
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Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
Tis the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Flag draped from the roof of the Pentagon
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
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murica' :daisy: yeah.
That makes more sense...because I cannot digest the fact that any general would ask his troops to grease their tanks with their enemies' guts, hyperbole or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
So is your own little vignette about the statue. Mes compliments, mon vieux. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
AII
Hrm... I dont realy have much to say about a celebration of a war my side lost... Except this: You fought like hell, you beat the crap out of us, sent us fleeing, and might have very well have sent our empire on a course that ended it. You beat the russians and the nazi's and set yourselves up on the world stage as the greatest country on earth.
Dont screw up now.
Also anyone else a little confused that the flag in the behind Patton is backwards?
It has been argued that the American Revolution (sorry, War of Independence) created the British Empire.
Hope you Yanks had a good 4th July!
Joking, yes? The American Revolution was early days in the British Empire. You built up India into a trading colossus after we showed you the door. Fairly sure the British Empire peaked in the late 1800s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Thing is the real Patton DID say that. But the movie speech gives the line without any kind of context.Quote:
Originally Posted by india
Huh, I was under the impression the british empire started when we started claiming territory on other continents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slyspy
Mostly, I was told that america urged britain to release the colonies and helped the released nations after WW2 but I was mostly trying to be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
This coming from a general who told his men that taking no prisoners would make them immortal. The man had a way with words...Quote:
Originally Posted by india
As for the United States, it is going to suck living through the decline of our power, wealth, and prestige. This is, perhaps, the worst time to live in a failing empire - those born before enjoyed the rise of America and all the associated benefits that came with it and those born after the fall will not miss what they never had. We, though, will witness it crumbling before our eyes. We will know what it was like to be the most wealthiest, most powerful nation on earth as we slide down the international totem pole.
Our empire has turned out to be one of the shortest lived in history, but the extraordinary rise in our standard of living will surely be missed as it falls ever more precipitously in the coming decades.
The UK used to have an empire and the last time I checked the standard of living was hardly that badly off.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
Public debt can only prop up living standard for so long. What were all of those budget cuts about last year, again?Quote:
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy
You said standard of living not not debt to GDP ratio the standard of living is many times better than when they had the empire.
Even a 50% cut in every single goverment spend would I'm willing to bet still end up with a better standard of living than the imperial past.
Also I think you will find it was private debt that increased the standard of living into unsustainable levels, hence the cuts now to reign in the private debt which was decided to be made public.
Anyway thats beside the point the real point is that passing on the eagle banner does not mean you all end up eating out of bins or summit
double post gah
In a nation like the UK, public debt and standard of living are inextricably linked. Look at what is being cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy
Yes indeed and it could drop by 50% or more and still be 100% above the level of the 1950s
In terms of area an population I have read that the peak was 1924 but it was a mirage of the time of say the late 1800s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Oh an I nearly forgot I hope ye all have sore heads after properly celebrating Independence yesterday :wink:
You are bit too pessimistic PJ. Those that enjoyed the hay-day of the American empire are who we call the Baby Boomers. They for the most part grew fat and complacent on the richness of America in the 50s, 60s and 70s. They created the financial problems and still hold that America is #1 in everything and that we can still have everything. A world wide military, social programs, low taxes etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
As much as it would be enjoyable from a materialistic perspective, the overwhelming trend of the Cold War era was an increasingly selfish attitude. As our empire falls, we have the prized ability to be at the right moment in history to change the culture and direction and even the essence of what America is as the former attitudes and thoughts begin to decline.
If we so choose, our generation can establish America back to a very isolationist country that devalues its military in order to provide reasonable amounts of social programs. We could go full on laissez-faire from the 1870s if the country takes a massive right wing shift again. You should be excited about being part of a critical moment in American history.
The fall of the American empire isn't really going to hurt our standard of living as much as the fact that our economic and infrastructure foundation is very weak. We have to either follow the German plan in order to become a manufacturing powerhouse again, or we need to stop deluding ourselves that somehow an American worker can be cheaper than a Chinese one and move onto something else.
America desperately needs more infrastructure, including localized high speed rail, and by some accounts an entirely new power grid. These tasks are all guaranteed to be done 100% in America, and will open up tens of thousands of long term, permanent jobs for when the infrastructure is finished and needs to be actively maintained and inspected. For some reason though, everyone seems to cling to the idea that we are manufacturers when Detroit is completely dead and the majority of people are actually working in a service sector.
There are a few issues I can see with that:Quote:
America desperately needs more infrastructure, including localized high speed rail, and by some accounts an entirely new power grid. These tasks are all guaranteed to be done 100% in America, and will open up tens of thousands of long term, permanent jobs for when the infrastructure is finished and needs to be actively maintained and inspected. For some reason though, everyone seems to cling to the idea that we are manufacturers when Detroit is completely dead and the majority of people are actually working in a service sector.
1) Money.
2) Executive impetus to see it through.
3) More money, this time for the bills that aren't picked up by either states or federal revenues (depending on project and how costs are split).
I can't see California saying, hey you know we've found this $100bn fund so let's fix our electric infrastructure in the near future.
EDIT: I guess what I am saying is that you first have to conjure funds, or alternatively have to conjure aggregated funds -- as I understand it your current schemes prevent, say, Alaska paying for infrastructure work to benefit California.
The executive impetus would not be a problem if people actually saw the worth of these projects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
As for number 1 and 3. As much as people want to talk about reducing spending as much as possible, it is really is important to consider the possible payback of any sort of massive spending.
I can completely understand the conservative push for taking on the social programs in the US. For the most part, when you give money to the recipients of social welfare programs, the most that you can get out of it is that every dollar is spent consuming. Which is fine, because the economy runs on spending, but it doesn't generate anything other than that, and the consumption is only temporary unless those social programs are giving money to someone forever, which of course is not their purpose or allowed anymore.
What massive infrastructure does that large social programs doesn't, is actively generate lots of wealth through its use.
The Transcontinental Railroad.
The Interstate Highway System
The current electrical and phone line system.
All of these were monumental infrastructure tasks that cost the government millions to billions of dollars. But all of those projects have been responsible for untold trillions of revenue over the years. Can any American imagine what life would be like if the highway system wasn't built?
So to be honest there really is no compelling reason not to embark on massive infrastructure repairs and overhauls. Sitting there nit picking at the price just shows how ideologically blinded you are that you consider all government spending the same when it clearly isn't.
EDIT: last sentence not directed at you TA, just "fiscal conservatives" in general.
Didn't private companies end up using them?Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
Owning them.
They pretty much own everything right? I can only think of the government. And that to some extent is owned (lobbyism).
America, I like it, I like some european countries more in many aspects, I like Chile more in some aspects (:daisy: YOU PIÑA!), I like ESV on a tiny more aspects (girls and tropicalism).
Ask me about political policies on each of those countries, and America will be my no.1 most hated.
~Jirisys ()
I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Maybe I am missing something here.Quote:
Originally Posted by jirisys
It's nothing to do with my ideology or my ideas on government spending. It is however about being in a position to make the call, either because you've got a lot of money to spare or because there is political will to grant you a lot of executive leeway. With the USA debts being what they are, it will take quite a bit of economic boom before the infrastructure will be invested in --or conversely it takes far worse unemployment for the general populace to accept significantly more direct government intervention in the way various markets operate. My reasoning for this is that in a scenario of moderate recovery/growth I think most US states (if not all) will opt to reinstate services formerly cut first before embarking on grand new spending plans which is related to my argument for the latter, namely, that there is a lot of debt to deal with already so an alternative approach to getting this funded requires a bit of a paradigm shift in how the USA operates.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
'Tis my stomach talking.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
My life has no point.
~Jirisys ()
I'm sorry man. I made my edit 20 min after the fact. I wasn't trying to attack you with that last sentence. It was meant to be towards average conservatives who think that high speed rail is just as wasteful as the current social security.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
I mostly agree with what you said, especially the last sentence, but I think it can, and hopefully will be done within a decade or two.
I disagree about states reinstating former services first. I think the current Republican Party is trying and eventually will succeed in eliminating programs they consider wasteful once and for all. Michelle Bachmann said during the debate that she wanted conservatives to have a big society type bill that liberals like to pass but with exactly the opposite intentions: the systematic removal of social programs from the US.
Don't forget that is the Netherlands who first recognized the new-found USA in november 1776. We're still your friends, America.
I don't plan to live out my days in the states. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about the USA, but this place is gonna be the lauhging stock of the modern world before I die.
The taxes are getting too high in some places and not equitable in others (depending on the whims of those in office), the politics are too inflammatory, the rules are frequently one-sided and reactionary, I'm expected to pay into a retirement fund I won't live to see, the political class operates on their own set of rules and have practically zero accountability, the government -- to include everything from the DC to the military down to the city level -- operates at such an inefficient standard that profiteers get rich while a wasteful standard is set at the public dime, the middle class is going away as all the middle class creating-jobs are outsourced at the encouragement of Washington policies, we still can't show titties on prime time television but can have violence to no end, the stanadard of living is so high that people don't care about what goes on around them as ong as they get theirs, you can't even trust something like a pension, 401k or IRA anymore because the people who manage those can steal you blind and suffer nary a consequence, and the one that really gets me is that a very large percentage of our poor people are obese, which really speaks volumes about the country, its mentality and its priorities.
We're a country full of pansies pretending not to be pansies. I mean, hell, we can't even do socialized medicine and emissions regulations right, instead we get some joke-of-a-system that involves insurance companies and pollution credit program that creates a new derivitives market out of thin air and does nothing to stop pollution. Just wow.
I don't have a problem not living in a country that is not all that free if the place at least makes no pretense of being such. I think I shall pick a country that is not the release valve for one or more other countries social underclass, perhaps one that encourages migration from people with a little money and education. I'm thinking either the Phillipines, or Hungary, or Kiwi, or New Zealand.