Commentarii de Bello Gallico

„Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam, qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli appellantur ...“

Gallia is divided into three parts, Belgae, Aquitani and Celtae. In former time a realm ruled by a Celtic King, it now resolves into hundreds of tribes and clans. Each tribe or clan has several noble families competing for the reign. Every leader depends on his support base, which grows or decreases depending on his personal skills, for example his sense for justice, his strength, his financial power, his visions and so on. Is this base eroding, another nobleman may gain the support of the tribe and the former leader will loose his office – and maybe his life.
But even as long as he is chief, his power is limited. There is no such thing as a standing army. To repel an invasion, the warriors of the tribe have to be called to arms. If the chief wants to invade foreign territories, he has to motivate the warriors, as the service is voluntary. So it is plain to see that a chief should be inspirational.
Celtic warriors are known for their fighting furore, often causing panic amongst their enemies. They are wild and strong men, but you should not expect things like discipline, steadfastness or patience. The chance for easy prey may enthuse them, but hunger may dispirit them rapidly.
Between the tribes there is a system of patronage: clans and smaller tribes try to get under the patronage of a mighty tribe, which protects them and supports their interests. The stronger a tribe is, the more smaller tribes gather under his patronage and more grows his power base.

During the last decade, the three strongest tribes tried to dominate Gallia: the Aedui, the Arverni and the Sequani. The Sequani, allied with the Arverni, needed help in their fight against the Aedui and found allies on the other side of the River Rhenus. A king of the Germanic Suebes and his followers crossed the river and helped them to reprehend the Aedui. However, they had to give almost one third of their territory to reward the Suebes, and today many Sequani wonder how to get rid of these allies.

The Aedui were allied with the small Roman colony in southern Gallia, called “The Province”. However, the Romans did nothing to help them in their struggle against the Sequani, Arverni and Suebes. Romans were mainly known as traders, especially on the route to the British Islands. Romans were smaller than then the Celtics and weaker. Their soldiers normally did not dare to fight man against man, they preferred to hide in close formations. Nevertheless, Romans are hard to fight. But during the last years, conflicts were rare, as the Romans did not care what was going on in the north.
This changed, when Lucius Calpurnius Piso Caesoninus and Aulus Gabinius were Consuls at Rome and the Province got a new proconsul named Gaius Julius Caesar. The Helvetii decided to leave their home in the Alps and to move to Gallia. For some reason Ceasar decided to prevent this, he followed them. After a military victory he slaughtered many of the Helvetii and sent the rest home.
All augurs agree that this campaign will have big impact on the balance of power at Gallia. However, the intentions of the Roman proconsul are still uncertain.

The first phase of the game begins. Pick up the faction you would like to play and send a post, telling everybody, that you are the chief now. You will receive info and rules later.

• Remi (Swordsmaster)
• Nervii (Warluster)
• Aedui (Azunti)
• Arverni (AggonyDuck)
• Sequani (AI)
• Venetes (KingKurt)
• Sotiates (Mr Stuka)
• Suebes (ELITEOFKWARMAN88GINGERBREADMAN)
• Allobroges (Ignoramus)
• Catuvellauni (Arjos)
• Eburones (King Jan III Sobieski)
• Romans (Kagemusha)

REMI

The Remi were a Belgic tribe of north-eastern Gaul (Gallia Belgica). They occupied the northern Champagne plain, on the southern fringes of the Forest of Ardennes, between the rivers Mosa (Meuse) and Matrona (Marne), and along the river valleys of the Aisne and its tributaries the Aire and the Vesle.
Their tribal capital was at Durocortum (Reims, France) the second largest oppidum of Gaul on the Vesle. Allied with the Germanic tribes of the east, they repeatedly engaged in warfare against the Parisii and the Semones. They were renowned for their horses and cavalry.
A founding myth preserved or invented by Flodoard of Reims makes Remus, brother of Romulus, the eponymous founder of the Remi, having escaped their fraternal rivalry instead of dying in Latium.

Nervii

The Nervii were an ancient Germanic tribe, and one of the most powerful Belgic tribes; living in the northeastern hinterlands of Gaul, they were known to trek long distances to engage in various wars and functions.
Julius Caesar considered them the most warlike of the Belgic tribes. He says that their culture was a Spartan one: they would not partake of alcoholic beverages or any other such luxury, feeling that the mind must remain clear to be brave. He also says they had no trade or merchant class of any kind, which would lead to the assumption that they had no currency, and were probably not a very rich or economically developed people.

Aedui

The country of the Aedui is defined by reports of them in the ancient writers. The upper Loire formed their western border, separating them from the Bituriges. The Saône formed their eastern border, separating them from the Sequani. The Sequani did not reside in the region of the confluence of the Doubs into the Saône and of the latter into the Rhône, as Caesar says that the Helvetii, following the pass between the Jura Mountains and the Rhône southwards, which belonged to the Sequani, plundered the territory of the Aedui. These circumstances explain an apparent contradiction in Strabo, who in one sentence says that the Aedui lived between the Saône and the Doubs, and in the next, that the Sequani lived across the Saône (eastward). Both statements are true, the first in the south, and the second to the north.
According to Livy (v. 34), they took part in the expedition of Bellovesus into Italy in the 6th century BC.

Before Caesar's time they had attached themselves to the Romans, and were honoured with the title of brothers and kinsmen of the Roman people. When the Sequani, their neighbours on the other side of the Arar, with whom they were continually warring with, invaded their country and subjugated them with the assistance of a Germanic chieftain named Ariovistus, the Aedui sent Diviciacus, the druid, to Rome to appeal to the senate for help, but his mission was unsuccessful[

Arverni

The Arverni were a Gallic tribe living in what is now the Auvergne region of France during the last centuries. Their most important stronghold was Gergovia, near the present-day commune of Clermont-Ferrand.
The Arverni had once been the most powerful tribal hegemony in Gaul during the 3rd and 2nd centuries BC under their king, Luernios, but when his son (or grandson) Bituitus was defeated by the Romans in 121 BC, their ascendancy passed to the Aedui and Sequani. Unlike the Allobroges, who were brought under direct Roman rule as a result of the Celtic wars of the 120s, the Arverni negotiated a treaty that preserved their independence, though their territory was diminished. No further Arvernian kings are mentioned in the historical record, and they may have adopted a constitutional oligarchy at this time. However, there were at least two later attempts to re-establish rulership. The defeat of the Arverni led directly to the establishment of Gallia Narbonensis as a Roman province, referred to simply as the Provincia so often that a part of the ancient region is today known as Provence.
The King Luernios was mentioned in writing by the Greek ethnographer Posidonius. Luernios was known to have scattered gold and silver coins to his followers while riding in his chariot. Under Luernios, the Arverni was at the head of a formidable Gallic military hegemony which stretched from the Rhine to the Atlantic coast.

Sequani

Sequani, in ancient geography, were a Gallic people who occupied the upper river basin of the Arar (Saône), the valley of the Doubs and the Jura Mountains, their territory corresponding to Franche-Comté and part of Burgundy.
Before the arrival of Julius Caesar in Gaul, the Sequani had taken the side of the Arverni against their rivals the Aedui and hired the Suebi under Ariovistus to cross the Rhine and help them (71 BC). Although his assistance enabled them to defeat the Aedui, the Sequani were worse off than before, for Ariovistus deprived them of a third of their territory and threatened to take another third, while subjugating them into semi-slavery.

Veneti/Venetes

The Veneti were a seafaring Celtic people who lived in the Brittany peninsula, which in Roman times formed part of an area called Armorica
Other ancient Celtic peoples historically attested in Armorica include the Redones, Curiosolitae, Osismii, Esubii and Namnetes.

The Veneti inhabited southern Armorica, along the Morbihan bay. They built their strongholds on coastal eminences, which were islands when the tide was in, and peninsulas when the tide was out. Their most notable city, and probably their capital, was Darioritum (now known as Gwened in Breton or Vannes in French), mentioned in Ptolemy's Geography.

The Veneti built their ships of oak with large transoms fixed by iron nails of a thumb's thickness. They navigated and powered their ships through the use of leather sails. This made their ships strong, sturdy and structurally sound, capable of withstanding harsh condition of the Atlantic.


Sotiates

The Sotiates were a Celtic people who lived in Aquitania.


Suebes

The Suebi of Julius Caesar's De Bello Gallico live in 100 cantons of arable land, of which each canton retains ownership, parceling farm lots to individuals to use for up to one year. They wear animal skins, bathe in rivers, and prohibit wine. They allow trade only to dispose of their booty and otherwise have no goods to export.

They are of a military disposition, drafting yearly 1000 men per canton for service of one year. With these troops they raid Gaul on the other side of the Rhine river frequently, thus involving Gaul's protector, the Roman Republic, whose agent in the field is one of its greatest generals, Julius Caesar. Lacking a central government and disrespecting all authority, they rely on the services of war chiefs, who in the age of migrations will become Suebian kings.
As to their location, they live next to the Cherusci, which places them between the Rhine river and the middle Elbe river. Their innermost refuge is Silva Bacenis, "Beech Wood", which various authors take to be some section of the Hercynian Forest, such as the Thuringian Forest, the Harz Mountains or the Black Forest. In ancient times Germany was heavily forested and these three forests were more or less continuous. They could not have farmed the forests, however, leaving the Main River bottom and the upper Elbe as the only possibilities.
Before the arrival of Julius Caesar in Gaul, the Sequani had taken the side of the Arverni against their rivals the Aedui and hired the Suebi under Ariovistus to cross the Rhine and help them (71 BC).

Catuvellauni

The Catuvellauni were a tribe or state of south-eastern Britain before the Roman conquest. Their territory was bordered to the north by the Iceni and Corieltauvi, to the east by the Trinovantes, to the west by the Dobunni and Atrebates, and to the south by the Regnenses and Cantiaci.

The Catuvellauni may be related to the Catalauni, a people of Belgic Gaul attested in the region of Châlons-en-Champagne. The name itself is derived from the Old Brythonic catu - wellauni meaning "battle chieftains" or "battle leaders". This ultimately derives from the Proto-Celtic "catu", battle, and "wali", to lead.

Allobroges

The Allobroges were a Celtic tribe of ancient Gaul, located between the Rhône River and the Lake of Geneva in what later became Savoy, Dauphiné, and Vivarais. Their cities were in the areas of modern-day Annecy, Chambéry and Grenoble, the modern departement of Isère, and modern Switzerland. Their capital was today's Vienne. The first recorded reference to the Allobroges is from the Greek historian Polybius in 150-130 BC. He tells how they unsuccessfully resisted Hannibal when he crossed the Alps in 218 BC.
In 123 BC, the Allobroges gave shelter to king Tutomotulus (or Teutomalius), of the Salluvii tribe Rome had conquered and refused to hand him over. Rome declared war and moved against them. On August 8, 121 BC legions of Quintus Fabius Maximus defeated them and forced them to submit; Maximus earned a moniker Allobrogicus for this feat.

„Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae...“
Where are the strongest then?

Remi and Nervii are tribes of Belgae. :bow:

I will take over the Arverni, if that is fine with everyone.

I, Gaius Julus Caesar, proconsul of Rome and Governor of Gisalpine Gaul,Transalpine Gaul and Illyricum, salute all of you my friends.May there be peace and good relationship between the Senate and Republic of Rome and you all. If you have any problems of any sort.Do not hesitate to contact SPQR, as Rome will always help their friends.

Caesar

I wanted to claim the Nervii as it's the only one I know on that list.
Because of this comic


I'll settle for the Remi, as the other 'Belgian' tribe.

May I have the Aedui please?

Welcome Azunti, it's great to have a new member at these parts. These IH's always seem to draw from the same pool of members.

More blood for the blood god and all that.

Put me down as the Ventes - I shall strike like the wind

Franc

I assume that you mean the Veneti from Britany? - I have just Wikied them and I am trying to work out how I managed - with no knowledge what so ever - to choose the only Gaulish tribe to take on Ceasar on the sea!!

I must just be subconsciously drawn!!

Who the hell are the Suebes? :laugh4:


HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :book:

Phil: Thanks! Im excited to play!
Kurt: I believe so.
Warman: The Suebi are Germans from across the Rhine that gave Rome a lot of trouble, but basically the story goes: the Arveni and Sequani attacked the Aedui and the Suebi helped them in exchange for some of the Sequanis land. Then, they slowly encroached upon the Sequani until Rome had to do something about it...

I have no idea what the Sotiates are, though.
Franconicus: Disclaimer: Before you go making me a historian or something, I only know most of this for spending about an hour and a half reading wiki articles.

Guess I have to buy Caesar's memoirs now. :laugh:

Welcome Azunti! It is good to have a humble historian here.:clown:
Not every player would be so smart to look at Wiki :book:

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More blood for the blood god and all that.

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Yes - I WANT MORE BLOOD!

More players are needed. More, more, more!

Kage-san, you as a content manager, can you tell me whom to ask for an announcement i the whole org?

all: Anybody here willing and able to help me with maps. Not a lot to do, but I am totally unable :stare:

Sure, what is it you want exactly?

I be back on Monday by the way :yes:.

May I jump in as the Sequani?

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

I will take over the Arverni, if that is fine with everyone.

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There goes the neighborhood. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

I, Gaius Julus Caesar, proconsul of Rome and Governor of Gisalpine Gaul,Transalpine Gaul and Illyricum, salute all of you my friends.May there be peace and good relationship between the Senate and Republic of Rome and you all. If you have any problems of any sort.Do not hesitate to contact SPQR, as Rome will always help their friends.

Caesar

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I'll jump in as the Sotiates- whoever the hell they are. A google search only came up with: "Defeat of the Sotiates: 56 B.C." ...grim tidings m'lord

GAH! I fell in love with this IH the moment I saw it. But I will probably be heartbroken because I do not have the time to particpate. I must bury myself in a cave for that! I will follow the IH, though, and you can rely on me if you need some advertisement around the Org. ~:) :bow:

Welcome on bord, Celtig Viking and Mr Stuka! :bow:

I have posted an advertisement about the game in the news section.:bow:

Here is also a map. Do we need something better then this? It shows where the tribes are and key locations also.

https://img708.imageshack.us/img708/...estowns.th.png

If there are still spots left, I'm in as the Katuwellaunoi ^^
Ready and waiting at Uerlamion (should be Wheathampstead, but dunno its Keltic name XD)...

heh, kinda hard to find myself on that map :tongue:

British isles:

http://www.celtnet.org.uk/images/ukmap_large.gif

Gauls and Germans:

http://www.celtnet.org.uk/images/gaul_large.gif

Allobroges!

Alright, I guess there are enough players to begin. I put some info at post #2 about the factions. I am still working on rules and goals, but I think you can already begin to negotiate about coalitions and hostilities.

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Originally Posted by Peasant Phill

Sure, what is it you want exactly?

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I think we need a map with the three parts of Gallia, plus southern Britannia and the Roman Provincia. All factions should be marked as well as citties, rivers and if possible, roads.

Kassiwallaunos, Bren of the Katuwellaunoi, ordered to intensify hostilities against the Trinovatoi, leaving on his chariot with a mighty host...

Before departing he entrusted prominent men of the tribe, bards and druids, to enter negotiations with the Atrebatoi, in a kinship spirit between Belgai: wishing for them to act as mediators with the mainland brethrens to consolidate trade and offering a Pan-Belgic alliance, promising to assist against any foe soon as the Trinovatoi were to fall...

The Bren also sent his most distinguished diplomats to set sail with merchants towards the land of the Uenetoi (KingKurt), offering an increase to trade and a naval military pact of co-operation...

I need info of the military :clown:.

I'll skip the roman one as I think is quite known...
Just few infos about Germanic and Celtic warfare:

The common view for the germanic tribes regarding military actions was centered on the raid, it was conducted by small bands from villages each with its own leader...
They all usually responded to the warband chief, who was also the tribe's chief; the goal of the raid was to acquire loot and gain fame within the tribe and among all tribes...
Also when the tribe moved for an open battle, the women, the elders and children followed...
When the germanic folks engaged in battle they resorted to infantry wedge formations, with the chiefs always up front; they also opted for series of ambushes by day or night in forest areas...
Cavalry was limited, but by this time started to abandon its skirmisher role for a heavy shock troop...

The Celtic world, especially in the mainland, on the other hand was starting to get more and more urbanized: oppida developed once again and people gathered in a single huge settlement, where administrative and economic life took place...
This affected the military bringing more troops in the form of levies, this brought more influence on the spear and less "champions' confrontations"...
But as a tribe gained wealth and a more solid organization, it could muster superior noble forces, better equipped, on foot and mounted...
These troops, even though capable and highly trained, couldn't be replaced within one generation time...

Insular Celts, still had a less urbanized society, which respected, and sometimes worshipped, champions and heroes...
Open warfare was characterized by cattle raids and aristocratic champions, usually moving on chariots, which engaged in smaller forces...
The south of Britain, had by this time developed into a more organized society, similar to the continent's, but it still held those ancient values of heroic warfare...

Mind you all this is my very limited knowledge, I'm by no means an historian...

As an overall these 3 "world" were quite similar and shared a common ancestry, they were regional evolutions of the same values and concepts...
In a way the germanic way represented the primordial step of chiefs caring for the family and by extension the tribe, leading by example; the insular's was the mid step towards urbanization and the continent's one was the very beginning of this last phase...

:yes:

By the way, Brennus passed away! He had to go on a personal raid through Gaul.
Warluster will take his tribe. :creep:

Yay, Warluster is back!!

AVE!

With the reacent turbulence in Gallia, caused by the attempt of mass migration of Helvetii. I Gaius Julius Caesar, proconsul of Rome, invite all the Chief´s and Warlord´s of Gallia, Germania and Britain to conference at Gallia Transalpina. The conference will be held at city of Narbo Martius.
Caesar bid´s you all wellcome there to negotiate, so the future of us all will be a better one and peace at Gallia can be guaranteed.

Caesar

https://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1843/spqr7or.jpg

To add something. If you do not trust your safety to come in person, please send a representative and please publically announce if you are coming or not.

- Nameless Roman scribe.

The Arverni will participate to hear what the Romans have to say.

Chief Vergincetorix

The Suebi will participate in such a meeting.

Chief Ariovistus of the Suebi

Kassiwalaunos will not attend and finds it outrageous to gather in roman territory...
Assemblies were always held on sacred grounds, under druids' supervision, asking to come to Narbo, in complete negligence of tradition, is something no free Kelt could bring himself to do!

First of all, happy birthday, Caesar! :balloon2:

Second: I hope to give you numbers and rules at the end of the weekend. Just one comment before: At the time of J.C. (Julius Caesar) modern communication means were not commenly used. One feature will be, that you have to meet someone, if you want to discuss things or send him a messanger. :creep:
The meeting innitiated by JC is the first phase of the game and a good chance to get to know each other :clown:

Well guess those diplomats sent to the Uenetoi, can go and hear what he has to say, but the Bren in person is out of the question...

Diviciacus will attend this meeting on behalf of the Aedui.

The Lord of the Venti is pleased to annouce that he will be sending envoys to the Roman council. Besides diplomacy, they will be acredited to discuss trade with all those peoples with access to the great sea who wish to strike up trding relationships with us - the Lords of the foamy brine.

Representatives of the glorious Sotiates will attend this gathering.

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Originally Posted by Arjos

Kassiwalaunos, Bren of the Katuwellaunoi, ordered to intensify hostilities against the Trinovatoi, leaving on his chariot with a mighty host...

Before departing he entrusted prominent men of the tribe, bards and druids, to enter negotiations with the Atrebatoi, in a kinship spirit between Belgai: wishing for them to act as mediators with the mainland brethrens to consolidate trade and offering a Pan-Belgic alliance, promising to assist against any foe soon as the Trinovatoi were to fall...

The Bren also sent his most distinguished diplomats to set sail with merchants towards the land of the Uenetoi (KingKurt), offering an increase to trade and a naval military pact of co-operation...

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Gotta bump my other post, important matters there :P

Unarmed messengers of our tribe will participate freely in this assembly of warlords. We would warn this Roman warlord himself that any act of violence against any man of Gaul and its tribes will be viewed extremely negatively, without exemption.

We will also send a messenger to inquire as to the nature of a 'pan-Belgic' pact, as described by the warlord of the Catuvellauni.

Boduognatus of the Nervii,

Unarmed messengers of our tribe with gifts to our friends will also attend the meeting. I fully trust that Julius will protect our messengers during this great meeting. We will also send men to see about any trade deals with fellow tribes. No acts of aggression though can be put against our men however.


Chief Ariovistus of the Suebi

The Katuwalaunoi envoy reported the Bren wishes for the alliance as follows:

All members must recognize Kassiwalaunos' authority over the Isles, while at the same time he respects the mainland's chiefs, declaring he'll never expand in other lands.
This will confer to any Belgai tribe in Pritannia the status of protected tribe; as for the mainland the Bren hopes to form a war council made of all the members' chiefs, which will elect annually among them a Kingetorix (warriors leader), to whom every chief must answer.
All administration will remain untouched and every community is free to organize itself; the foremost goal of this alliance is to protect all its members.

Once there'll be a common acceptance to this pact, Kassiwalaunos hopes every chief will swear an oath to the gods in a nementon (sacred grove), where the first council will take place.

The free peoples of the Trinovantes and Cantiaci sign a treaty of friendship. Both are not able to attent the conference, but they send gifts of friendship to the people of Rome and their Porconsul.

The most noble and mighty Belgian tribe of the Eburones is not going to join the conference.

The Menapii declare, that they haven't heard of any Caesar and they do not care about what is going on in the south!

The Attrebates will send agents from both clans, from the island and the continent.

The chiefs of the Carnutes, Namnetes, Parisii and Treveri will attend the meeting.

AVE!
Roman Senate and people are happy that such a large number of Gallic, Briton and Germanic Lords are coming to our meeting. We are missing only few tribes and their responses. Namely: Remi, Sequani and Allobroges. If you would be so kind to inform us about your participation, so the rest of us may begin the talks.

Roman messenger

The Allobroges will be at Narbo Martius. We welcome this chance for discussion between the tribes.

Chief Catugnatus.

The Remi are wary about these talks. Nevertheless, an influential member will attend.

One missing.

Roman messenger

From the warlord of the Treveri:

Where are the Sequani? Are they already eaten up by their Germanian allies?

And what by Teutates are the Allobrogoes doing at the confernece. I thought this was a meeting of free Gauls, not Canes Romanis.

We need rules Franconicus ^^

Rules:
1) There are four turns per year: spring, summer, autumn and winter.
2) You send me your orders at the beginning of each turn.
3) You can do your diplomacy with other warlords, make treaties, declare war etc. You can announce things in the thread or keep it secret.
4) You play not as a tribe, but as a historical person. This means that you can go on playing, even if your people is wiped out. You lose, if you die, even if your army is victorious.
5) You win if you fulfill the conditions for victory. Each player gets some. They are similar, with minor differences.
6) You are not a dictator. All tribes have a the political concept of oligarchy. At the moment, you are on top. But things can change. So you better keep your people satisfied.
7) With the exception of the Romans, the players do not have armies. If there is war, you have to call your warriors to arms. If you are attacked, you can count on them. If you want to invade, you have to motivate your men to come and fight. You cannot rely on full strength.
8) Money has not much importance for the Gauls. Some of them, which are trading with Rome, know the pleasure of Mediterranean whine, others do not care at all. Money may keep your people happy, that is all. Of course, things are different for the Romans. The income is the income of the tribe, not of the chief. If you take all, they may look for another chief.
9) Food: Of course, food is essential for the happiness of your people and for the moral of your army. Keep an eye on this.
10) Communication: Ancient Gaul did not have means of modern communication. Therefore, I would like to build hurdles in this part. Every player can communicate directly only with others if they are at the same place. However, there are two other options. The player can send letters, but only one per turn. Or he can send agents, which he must hire from the org.-people. These can visit other tribes and discuss with them.
11) You will soon find out that the game is unjust, esp. against you. This is a basic law in Interactive History, not personal! And it has nothing to do with the ignorance or fiendishness of the moderator. So be brave and do or forget that it is misery, that discovers the genius of the commander.

Info about your strength and your goal is in progress! :creep:

I'm new to the interactive history play, how long is a turn in RL time? And how is decided the outcome of a battle?

The time for a turn variies, depending on how active the players are and how much time they need.
Before the first round there is this meeting, which is very important for the game, because it gives you the chance to communicate without limitations - so get to know each other and make friends and enemies. I think this event will give the game its direction. So chose your friends and enemies and work on your strategy.
The battles: They will be done according to the setup and the orders of the players, decision will be made by me, depending on my own secret calculation plan and my current mood.
If there will be a good chance and a big battle, I wonder if I try to make the battle also round based with more influence for the players.

I know that you still need the numbers (population, warriors etc). I am busy working on that. However, I caught a bad cold, got loads of rl work and my computer is getting slower and slower. :dizzy2:

It all looks pretty standard except:

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Originally Posted by Franconicus

[B]... Or he can send agents, which he must hire from the org.-people...

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Does this mean we have to find another member to act as a diplomat or am misinterpreting?

Don't worry Franconicus, I'm just curious and excited lol
Take your time and take care of yourself ^^

So this Roman, Julius Caesar, wants all the 'all the Chiefs and Warlords' of Gaul, Germania and Britain to meet him, unarmed, on Roman soil, all at once? Makes one stop to think.

Still, if all else will be there, the Sequani would not be the ones to shy away. I will be there on my tribe's behalf; lets just hope his intentions are as clean as he makes them out to be.

Conference of Narbo



The talks begin. Caesar enters the hall,accompanied by several other Roman. In the hall the representatives of various tribes have gathered, in wait for the talks to begin. Caesar sits down at the end of the table and begins his opening speech:

"Warlords and Chieftains, Ave!

Rome welcomes you all to this meeting and i have to say that i am personally very glad that so many of you have decided to honour us with your presence. No matter how the meeting will end and how you reply to our suggestions, Caesar will guarantee that your personal safety is guaranteed and that you will have safe return to your home.

"Before we start. I would like to introduce you some of my Legion commanders to you:

Titus Labienus, aka Fisherking , commander of Legion X Equestris

Quintus Tullius Cicero, aka Csargo, commander of Legion XI Claudia

Publius Licinius Crassus, aka Andres, commander of Legion VIII Augusta

Decimus Junius Brutus Albinus, aka GeneralHangerchief, commander of Legion VIIII Hispana

Quintus Titurius Sabinus, aka Husar, commander of Legion XII Fulminata

After the reacent Helvetii disturbance (1). I have thought of ways how to present a resolution to many problems in Gaul and why not in Britain and Germania. I am about to give you all an offer and before i do so. I would like to make it clear that this offer is an open one, so if you cant accept it now.You may reconsider it later.

As many of you know. In the Roman province of Gallia Transalpina, many Celtic tribes live inside the realm of SPQR. Some of those tribes are present here also now. As first and foremost upon them are the Allobroges, ruled by our good friend, Chief Catugnatus. They live under the protection of Rome and the term we use for it. Is a protectorate. Similar arrangement will be made for the remnants of Helvetii also, as we do not wish for them to perish completely even while they erred against Rome. Such is the leniency of the People and Senate of Republic of Rome.

Now what does a protectorate mean, you might ask? Being a Roman Protectorate will mean that you will get an trade agreement with Rome. Thus all the products of Rome and mediterranian will be available to you. Second. Rome will guarantee your safety against any invaders. Third. When you go to war as allies of Rome and send warriors to us, as Auxilia.Rome gives you full share of the loot and bounty to you, based on the number and strength of the warriors you send for our aid.

Thus.If you will become a Protectorate of Rome. You will become rich from loot, wealthy from trade and you do not have to live in fear as Rome will protect your lands.

Now, what Rome wants in return? Each protectorate will pay tribute to Rome, so we can better provide security and build roads and other so the trade will flow better. Protectorate will allow Roman Legions to camp on their land, while Legions will pay them a market prize for any supplies they need. When called upon, each protectorate will send Auxilia troops to help Rome in war. This usually means that the War is near to you already. What else? Nothing.

You will continue govern your lands as you please, like Allobrages and dozen or so other Celtic tribes are doing at Gallia Transalpina and Rome will not interfere your internal affairs unless those matters threaten Rome.

This is all. How say thee? Now the word is free for you to use.

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(1)= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bibracte

Quite a fine display of cunningly forcing one's rule to people, without earning the right to...
The Katuwellaunoi's embassy is here merely as observers, if Roma wishes to trade, then so be it, but free Keltoi shall rule themselves with no restrictions!

To the representatives of the Catuvellauni:

"This is a fair opinion you have. If you do not need the help of Rome. We will not force our help to anyone."

Caesar

To Casear:

This sounds great on paper but what is stopping you from taking us over if a war breaks out and we assist you and your forces march though our lands to get to the foe? That is the primary concern. However, I would be more then happy to trade with your people.

Ariovistus of the Suebi

Great warlord Caeser,

Your finely spoken words will be a sharp relief for much of Gaul - your words of peace and prosperity are heartening for such a war-torn land. We would request that we take time to consider your proposal, considering it is a momentous and tempting decision. We do have some queries for both the Caeser and the Senate.

As has been mentioned by other representatives how can you promise us fair rule, and justice within our lands? The grand armies of Rome would find some enemies abroad, and the promise of having our lands untouched and not ravaged would be heartening - and add to your weighty proposal. Having a council of Roman advisors/observers who reside in the capital would add to our confidence in these promises.

Secondly the Auxillia bands we would promise to send you - these men have grown up within our tribes and we hold each life dearly. A similar promise of respect would have to be granted and kept to, as well as minor steps backwards, such as having our own commanders in some of these bands and perhaps independant companies within the grand army?

Once the Republic has answered these questions, we would request time to consider this proposal, as warlord Caeser must surely sympathesize with. Meanwhile we would embrace the offer of trade warmly and offer open borders and gates to any Roman who happens to wander as far north as us.

Messenger of the Nervii tribe
Representing Warlord Boduognatus

Procounsul Caesar,

The Aedui and Romans have for a long time lived in harmony. Rome has protected and traded with our people for generations, and in return, we have sent our own men to aid you as well. Furthermore, we thank you for intervention against the tyrant Orgetorix, who led his people astray. As such, an agreement would be on a natural course with our current relations. However, we would like to hear more before we commit ourselves to any agreement. How many troops would we be required to provide? How much tribute, and in what form of payment? And we would also like to make sure that, should our lands house a Roman Legion, they would not sap our resources so thin as to endanger our own people.

Lastly, one more thing catches us off guard. In your agreement, you state that our troops would only be called upon if "the War is near to you already." However, you also claim we will become "rich from loot." Although raids are a source of income, I would by no means call it "rich." One would be lead to believe then, especially due to your choice of the word, "war,"
that you would believe that a full scale war would be coming to Gaul soon. Now, as far as I see, we Gauls are content without large scale engagements. I hope you merely misunderstand our culture due to your run in with Orgetorix, who seemed intent on migrating all of the Hevetii peoples. Otherwise, I might fear a forthcoming Roman invasion.

On behalf of the Aedui people,
Diviciacus the Druid
(I will actually be playing as Dumnorix, I just figured it would be more accurate to send Diviciacus to this council.)

Numbers at the beginning of the game:

A) Foodproduction in 1.000t grain per year
B) Total Population
C) Infantry
D) Cavalry

[B]Remi...........A) 21....B) 70.000...C) 30.000...D) 500
Nervii..........A) 12....B) 40.000...C) 15.000...D) 200
Aedui..........A) 40....B) 120.000..C) 45.000...D) 5.000
Arverni........A) 40....B) 120.000..C) 45.000...D) 5.000
Sequani.......A) 15....B) 50.000....C) 19.000...D) 1.000
Venetes.......A) 20....B) 50.000....C) 20.000...D) 0
Sotiates.......A) 18....B) 40.000....C) 15.000...D) 0
Suebes........A) 18....B) 90.000....C) 39.000...D)1.000
Allobroges....A) 10....B) 25.000....C) 8.000.....D) 2.000
Catuvellau....A) 21....B) 70.000....C) 29.000...D) 1.000 (chars)[/B]

Suessiones....A) 30...B) 100.000...C)39.000...D) 1.000
Atrebates Bel.A) 7,5..B) 25.000.....C) 9.500....D) 500
Viromandui....A) 4,5..B) 15.000.....C) 5.000....D) 0
Eburones .......A) 21..B) 70.000.....C) 30.000..D) 0
Menapii..........A) 4,5.B) 15.000.....C) 5.000....D)0
Aulerci...........A) 6,6.B) 22.000.....C) 10.000...D) 0
Carnutes........A) 12...B) 40.000.....C) 13.000... D) 2.000
Namnetes.......A) 7....B) 22.000.....C) 10.000...D) 0
Parisii.............A) 12..B) 40.000.....C) 15.000....D) 0
Treveri............A) 21..B) 70.000.....C) 28.000...D) 3.000
Veragri/Seduni..A) 21.B) 70.000.....C) 30.000...D) 0
Cautil...............A) 6...B) 20.000.....C) 10.000...D) 0
Trivobantes.......A) 14.B) 35.000.....C)14.000...D) 1.000
Mandubii...........A) 4...B) 12.000.....C) 5.000....D) 0
Segusiavi ..........A)4....B) 12.000.....C) 4.000...D) 1.000
Senones............A) 4...B) 12.000.....C) 5.000...D) 0

This is the complete list of all tribes in this game. Please note that the Mandubii, Segusiavi and Senones are friends of the Aedui. Eburones are protected by the Treveri.

Peasant Phill, could you please make a map with all of them?:balloon2:

Food: This si your annual production in a grain unit. Every person consumes abot 300 kg per year. If there si not enough, people will become unhappy!
For campaigns or garrisons abroad, this is what you have to supply for soldiers:
6 kg per week for soldiers, 70 kg per week for barbarian cavalry, 90 kg per week for Roman cavalry. Before the new harvest, all old grain is reduced by 50%. The remaining part can be used in the new year. The numbers can be reduced by bad weather, destruction etc..
Money: I decided to keep money simple: There are some tribes with some income, mainly from the trade with Rome. These are: Allobroges, Arverni, Aedui, Sequani, Senones, Parisii Veneti and Catuvellau. The Suebes have some money from the tribute they get from Aedui. These tribes spend their money in better arms and luxury (oh this red wine!). If you really need money, you can either make more trade, invade your neighbors or sell slaves. But money does not matter much for the Gaul/Germanians/Britons). It is a diffrent story for Rome and I will send Kage special conditions.
By the way, selling a slave (grown up, not too old, good condition) will bring 500 sestercii. A Roman soldiers costs 100 sest. per year payment. Recruitment and equipment takes 500.

At this point, a dark haired warlord of the Suessiones stood up to make his speach. His words come slowly and it seems as if he has more experience with his battle axe than with speaches:
My Roman friend, I am glad to be at this meeting and hope that the good friendship of Romans and Celtii will lead to a new age of wealth. We, the mighty tribe of the Suessiones, would welcome this. Which does not mean that we forgot how to fight - if it is necessary.
Next speaker is a priest of the smaller tribes of the Carnutes. He seems to be more experiences in rhetoric:
"Celtii, Bretonii, Belgii and Auitanii, we all heard the words of the Roman and we, the Carnutes, were pleased, when he talked of peace and wealth. Because we like the idea of a free Gallia, with a common peace and wealth for everyone. And therefore, we were very curious of the idea of this foreign man. Then he began to talk about protection, military service and prey. Now his words began to taste different, a tatse of war and slavery. This made us worry. Therefore I would like to say to this Roman, that we would love to hear more about his peace and wealth, and we would like him to explain where the prey should come from in this vision of peace."
At the end of this day, many chiefs meet to discuss informal and to drink huge amounts of apple wine. At this occasion, the tongue of the Suessioni warlord becomes quicker and quicker as he begins to tell tales of the proud Gaulish campaigns against Rome. Further more there was some fighting between men from Aedui and Suebes, but the Roman guard ended them quickly.

After few hours absence from the negotiations.Caesar returns to the hall. Checks with his scribes and starts to talk after few minutes od trying to get attention from the now bit toxicated crowd:

My friends,

The custom among the tribes is if i am not completely misundersttod your ways, for men to join strong clans, Clans joining strong tribes and tribes joining strong confederations. Have i understood this perfectly wrong?

I ask you my friends. Which is a stronger tribe then The Senate and People of Rome? The lands of Rome stretch from the sunrise to sundown. Still do we raid our samller Celtic neighbours? No we do not. Our goal is for men to live in peace and prosperity, not war. But like we have shown few times. Rome is ready for a brawl if someone will break the peace, we hold so dear.

To those who ask why i talk about military service, loot and blunder. I ask you men: Is there peace at Gaul? Has there ever been peace at Gaul? Maybe one of the druids can tell me if there is an record of peaceful days at Gaul, Germania or The Isles?

I am not bringing war to Gaul. The war is here already. I am an practical man and want peace, but i am prepared for War. I know that the Helvetii , will not be the last ones to threaten Roman peace, so if i would offer you a dream of peace and peace only. Would i not be lying to you? What i offer is friendship and protection both during peace and War. That makes me practical, not a warlike.

Can you see my point in this?

The warlord of the Suessiones roars:
What comes to your mind, cock of a Roman? Do you think we are powerless wrecks, like the dogs of Allobroges at your side. Since you defeated some homeless tribes from the mountains you think you can act the big shot? Never forget Brennus, who defeated your capitol. There are many like this hero and you we can teach you a lesson whenever we like to.
I tell you one think, boy from Italy, go back to Rome, where you belong to and where you are out of danger. Do not dare to talk with men any longer. Run and flee your misery, foolish Roman. Run and leave Gallia!

Caesar burst into a laughter and yells to the servants:

"Bring that man best wine we have! Chief of Suessiones has just proven my words right!Chief, will you be King of Gaul? Would you like to be one? I like you Celts.You say what you think and never back down. You have spine. The same thing i look at when i choose my Legates. Some are optimates, but some are not. To Caesar ability is lot more important then bloodline. Chief of Suessiones, will you drink a toast with me? Men like you i would always like to call my friends!"

A Pritanoi Druid, accompanying the Katuwellaunoi, took the word:

"Noble Caesar, as a carrier of history I must speak to you, there's war in Gaul true, but that's the nature of things. I recall great turmoil in your Republic aswell, brothers killing eachother in your most sacred capital too! Romani brought war into what you call Narbonensis few generations back, do not twist the past and the presence, otherwise the gods' wrath will descend upon you"

As a sign of good will to all, my fellow tribes and the Romans, I wish to give everyone a gift to take home with them to not only remember that the Subei tribe can be friendly as well as strong, but to remember this great meeting!


Art. of the Subei

The representatives of the Sotiates sit, huddled in a corner. They whisper as they discuss Caesar's words and their fellow tribe's actions. A decision is made:
"The mighty Sotiates have no need of you Roman's warriors or trade. We rule ourselves, and will no foreign tribe put their warriors in our lands! And this trade, you just seek to spread your influence among us, softening us. Our mighty tribe must refuse your proposition Caesar." The representative sat down.

Kassiwalaunos, as the meeting in Narbo took place, marched towards Camulodunon with 20.000 foot warriors and 500 chariots...
Keeping close to the Tamesas, the war host was ready to meet with the Trinovantoi in open battle!

Ariovistus,

You can take your "gift" back where you got it. Its likely poisoned anyhow, you son of a she-dog! Begone, for there is no place in the lands of Gaul for you!

On behalf of the Aedui people,
Diviciacus the Druid

Procounsul Caesar,

As my fellow Gauls have confessed, we resent your claim that we are inferior to Rome. We Gauls are mighty and always have been! And the alliance between the Aedui and Romans has been mighty as well. Still, the Aedui people do not wish to take such a step as suggested by you. We are a strong, proud people, and are capable of handling ourselves. Still, I wish not to sour relations with Rome. Our upcoming fight against Ariovistus and the tribes that have fallen under his sway is a fight Id like to see Romans alongside our proud warriors.

On behalf of the Aedui people,
Diviciacus the Druid

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Franconicus

The Suebes have some money from the tribute they get from Aedui.

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OOC: Wait a sec, has the Aedui-Suebi/Sequani/Arverni conflict already happened? If so, most of what I had said would be different.

Caesar, looks with interest towards the druid representing Aedui and says:

"So you wish not to to be our friend and protectorate, but you would like us to help you fight Suebi, who has gained a title from Roman senate, a friend of Rome. What do you mean?"

"Where did i say you were inferior to us? Roma does not think Celtii as inferior.Rome is just not anymore the village Brennus sacked. Everyone must take a stand. Now you have an opportunity for it.That is what i am representing to you all."

"To Sotiates. That is a honest word of a honest man and like said before.If you reject our offer, no harm will come to you from it."

"Catuvellanous. If some of the British tribes will claim protectorate of Rome. You will not conquer them, or you will have war with us. If we had the naval forces to defeat Carthage.Do you think your naval power will stop my legates from coming into British isles?"

As Azunti said, can we have a time frame of when we are atm please? :)

This is not official but how i understand the date is just after the Roman defeat of Helvetii, im sure this is so complex, that franc has hard time creating everything, but i agree.we need dates.