AggonyDuck
RTK ABU
Aggony King
Jochi Khan
Tomisama
I got the highest respect for you guys and I want to take you guys on for fun sometime. :balloon2:
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AggonyDuck
RTK ABU
Aggony King
Jochi Khan
Tomisama
I got the highest respect for you guys and I want to take you guys on for fun sometime. :balloon2:
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if we must. rules?
I typically play Large/Large and some other stuff (No Art,etc...) but I'm willing to adjust reasonable due to my opponent's objections (they may have). Maps I play on any map, I don't want to play on one map the whole series.
I can play next Thursday and Friday, that is when I am free to play (Tuesday and Wednesday I am putting towards my university work). Give me your times. I can play in the late afternoon Thursday and anytime Friday.
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i can only play friday from 1pm-4pm pdt
remember to the death. it has to be to the death.
exhibition?
Please post replays? :smash:
eh sure why not :P
you go warman ^^ ill cheer for you!
Whaho Warman ! That is some challange.Quote:
Originally Posted by ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK
Actually, when I saw this list, my Pride was somewhat hurt, that my name was not on it.
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But then Reason stepped up and layed a soothing hand on Pride's shoulder.
"Look here, what are you thinking? Aren't you a little bit foolish, Pride?
Nigel's Avatar is a 4 star general. He has not played more that perhaps 2 or 3 MP battles in the last 2 month, has no monk units in his army and his micromanagment really is not up to scratch. Do you really think, Nigel would be a good opponent for such a challange?
No, it would be pure slaughter. And many brave samurai would have to spill their red pixels all over the screen for a hopeless cause."
Pride, somewhat comforted, returns to the sofa.
"You are quite right, Reason, as always. Let us just sit and watch this challange. It should be interesting to see what comes of it.
Want some popcorn? "
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Nigel I expect a bigger challenge out of you than Warman :yes:
(yes, them be fighting words warman)
Fine with me :yes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyKing
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Originally Posted by Cu'Roi
Damn straight!
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Originally Posted by versionlangley
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Originally Posted by AggonyKing
I challenge you to Nigel. I don't we ever did 1v1 yet, so about time we did. :book::clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel
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Originally Posted by AggonyKing
Meanie! I'll show you one! :laugh4::2thumbsup:
Of course i accept the challange warman, although atm i arent that active, after the release of the patch you will def. see me online much more and we should play a game or 2 :-)
Why don't you challenge AMP and maybe he returns. =)
I'm always around checking forums and reading up from time to time, but I won't be coming back anytime soon. Not when you have simple problems killing the gameplay that have been around since the game was released. When I see signs of more pride and less greed in their work I'll think about playing again. The gaming industry and mindset of gamers today has really turned upside down compared to the old days of gaming. I hate to always sound so negative, but it's the truth. I feel like a Ron Paul of gaming trying to defend what it was meant to be, where now it's just about brainwashing, dumbing things down, and ripping people off. When it should be about honesty, being open minded, and really listening to their paying customers.
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He hates me anyhow! :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyKaptenFloede
I know how you feel AMP. :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by AMP
Very well put. Couldn't agree more. Before this game I considered CA my No. 1 Developer and then there were 9 placed empty then came Blizz at 11. Played every game since original Shogun 1.(Empire and Napoleon i didn't like, cuz of the guns) Finally i get a good internet connection to play MP and I play it with so much fun the first few months, even with the Alt+F4 ing that was happening at that time...Quote:
Originally Posted by AMP
Now its... well you wrote it better then I could.
You are not realistic. I am sure the CA want as much as they want to create a game we enjoy, without bugs and perfectly balanced, the problem with the gaming industry is that it has become a lot more complicated to satisfy us, the costumers then the early days of gaming. I remember my countless hours in playing super mario 1, trying to finish it in less then 17 minuten over and over again, i had months of fun. But what we want nowadays is a lot more complex, we want good grafix (belief it or not, although people say grafix dont care, for us, if a game doesnt have good grafix, or his own style, we just dont accept it anymore. We also want countless of options, we dont want chess anymore, we dont want a normal shooter or a normal platformer, we demand new things every time, we force for creativity, innovation. The truth is not that game devs. dont want to give us a good product, but that we want more, and because those 'more' things are overly complex, they cant hold up with the pace. In STW2 i saw the avatar system which will become a standard in all future TW, countless of more options, new strategys available, yes, it was to complex to implement it on stw2 at release, and yes it will need balance untill the next game comes, but i am sure in the next game that aspect of the game will be fixed, and other problems will arrive we will bitch about. Mistakes will always happen when going for innovation, its CA turn to fix those mistakes for this game, implement it in the next game, and then innovate with new options which will have mistakes in them again.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMP
The perfect game doesnt excist, starcraft, starcraft 2, dota, LoL, all needs patches on a regular basis, just because all the new options complicate things more, and then those new fixed need new fixes. Some people forget this isnt a call of duty game, which will sell 6 million copys on the release night, this is a much more hardcore game, they dont got the manpower for the ambition and innovations they want to put in their game, so we end up getting a game which in theory is the best tw ever, but just is filled with bugs, it sucks yes, but to claim the game is not playable, well, if you think the game only excist out of multiplayer you got the wrong game anyway, the total package is alot more, and i have great fun doing singleplayer, and most of the times i also enjoy multiplayer. To conclude, AMP, you are a crybaby :P
I let the facts do the talking, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by RTKAbu
I never said anything about a perfect game. I pointed out simple bugs that were brought up since the release and they refused to address them, while they still try to shove a new dlc or expansion down your throat.
I know you're just being cute about calling me a crybaby, but that just proves my point about being brainwashed. :)
Everyone complains about something on MP yet the same refuses to support in helping to fix the problem. Always amuses me. I'm of the belief if you don't like it that much and really hate it then why are you even bothering to still be around? Go in peace to another MP game. I myself do a lot of FPS's now for MP when I got free time.That's my 2 cents on the issue.
Well nice to see someone knows about ron paul, bizzare that the american media seem to despise him for being an honest man. Amp I think you over exaggerate the situation, you have surely had your moneys worth from the totalwar games u have bought. Why not use your standing with the community and ca to effect positive change?
Community? You mean the old vet community :laugh:. I'm not trying to be mean Swoosh/AMP, but I have spoken to many people in the past few months, some of which been playing since RTW since 2005 and they never ever heard of people like Magyar Khan and the Wolves, or AMP, when I asked them if they know who they are. Some of these newer people don't even know who I am. Back in 2006 everyone known who I was, SP and MP people expect the TWC crew, now half the MP people never heard of me, even not more then half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swoosh So
Got to get your name out there!!
And Ron Paul is a native of the same town I'm a native of :clown:.
What you talking about warman, I'm not talking about the old community its long dead. You keep bringing it up when us old timers say anything. I left wolves and moved on remember. The new community know amp he has done well in the tournaments he played in and newer players are always asking me about him when I'm on and there was alot of noise in the community when amp got the rank of shogun. players like kinjo speak of amp with respect for his recent reputation in game and always tell me that they would love to play against him. He was also competing at the tip of all the land ladders and teams take note of who is round them. Also the new vet community know him and respect him as a player. If a conversation starts about the strongest players in stw2 its not long b4 amps name is brought up.
Well because half the old timers complain and act like elitists even though no one cares anymore what they did in 2002, it annoys me very much and half of them won't act up to help MP. I'm not saying you or AMP doesn't care, I'm just speaking in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swoosh So
And Well the people I know never heard of AMP and others, only a handful know about AMP rep on S2TW and past.
thats what im saying noones living in the past cept u ;) I dunno what ur talking about old vet that whinges but doesent "act up to help mp" give me an example?
hmm, not wanting to interrupt your discussions, but could someone educate a lonely European on who Ron Paul is ??
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This about sums ron paul up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIaqmF5IXV4
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Originally Posted by Swoosh So
I don't or at least I don't think I do that much :laugh:. I just remember from mid RTW though M2TW even into NTW certain MP personalities would complain and complain.... but they never would buy the game for example and try it out! That is what I mean. I don't see it as much now Swoosh of course, but I still do on onccsion.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
I bought the game that is why of course I brought up a few specific bugs that were killing the gameplay and brought them up when the game was released. I even shared some ideas on how to improve in those areas, so I don't know what more you want? I'm not the one getting paid to develop the game. We get shoved new content, but they let broken things slide by and why is that? It's because they can and continue to get away with it because people like you accept it without a fight.
Why would I care if people know me or not and should that even matter? The point is gaming is getting turned upside down and people are taking it in the you know what...
Swoosh you should know why they media dislikes Ron Paul... because they are bought, pretty simple. It's not in their best interest to go back to the US Constitution. When people own a country you don't want the people to have freedom, you want to control them. Most of us Americans are either brainwashed by the media or just got about their lives and don't pay attention to politics. They won't wake up until they are left with nothing left or get so use to socialism they never it could be any different so accept they way things are. 15-20 yrs from now I bet there won't be a US Constitution or even a Congress, you just watch everything will be federal owned.
keep the political talk in the backroom please <_<
also AMP, I don't like it as much as you do and I certainly don't like how long it has taken for this newer patch thats coming. At the same time, not every product is perfect and development cycles depend a lot on the resources (aka money) available. Making a game takes millions and millions of dollars. What used to be just thousands turned into millions. Companies nowadays are forced to release their product on a tight schedule else they risk going under and bankrupt. Sure, not all companies suffer this and I'm not saying thats the case for CA, but they have always had this development cycle where they release the game and the patches come later, so no surprise there.
Anyway, stop being so grumpy and come play, we miss you :(
you didn't see any problems when they released the steaming pile of shit that was ETW?Quote:
Originally Posted by perafilozof
he is a libertarian and pretty much hates the government he holds office in. he makes good fiscal sense (although he takes it to a real extreme for sure) and foreign policy sense but if you believe that the modern state should assume some responsibility for the welfare of it's citizens, or that the U.S. should be active on the international stage, then he isn't your guy. He's has little to nothing in common with neocons and social conservatives/religious right, but he is very closely associated to the tea partiers (who are a different kind of crazy than the other two mentioned groups on the right) who will, like he, probably remain on the fringe of american politics for better or worse. to his credit he is not a pawn of big money and lobbyists like the more main stream politicians tend to be. he is definitely not a phony like a lot of politicians, he calls it like he sees it, which i frequently agree with, although some of his policies are not realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel
It's not about how long some patches may take, it's about skipping over small fixes/adjustments that could make gameplay better. It doesn't make any sense and there isn't any reason for it. King no need to try and educate me in "not every product is perfect, development cycles, and resources" I've been online gaming since 1997, so I have an idea of what's possible and what's not possible.
so why do you expect them to be perfect then? You know the main focus has been single player for quite some time. I'm quite happy that multiplayer has gotten more attention this time around. Just look at all the new multiplayer features. Yes, there has been a lack of quick and critical adjustments but there's nothing we can do about that. Although CA has taken forever with this next patch I'm quite happy for the things I heard about it. Looks like they are really trying to make multiplayer better and even introduce a few new things to multiplayer.
You may choose to buy the DLC if you want but that doesn't mean that you don't get the patches fixing stuff if you don't buy the DLC.
Well, thanks guys (and girl) for educating me on Ron Paul. That really helped my general knowledge along.
But King, you are right: enough of politics, lets stick to the topic.
Warman, I accept your challange ! :duel:
I wont have time next week, though and will be away on vacation for the second half of September. But after that we are on. About time we had a decent 1v1 and clash steel so hard that the sparks fly skyward.
Where did I say I expect them to be perfect? Yes I know the main focus has been on SP I've been playing TW as well for all these years no? Didn't they say they want MP to be just as popular this time around, that's why they tried to add MP features which really been around for ages such as matchmaking and ladders. At the sametime though they neglect simple flaws that could easily be fixed which would help contribute to getting MP high in gear. It's about money.... Just one example is the cavalry charge bug which hasn't been addressed yet and how long should it take to fix something like that? A year or perhaps. You can defend it all you want you have every right to, but I won't turn a blind eye to it. I hate to see the type of games I enjoy most get turned into garbage because of greed.
ye i agree with most of what he says the only disagreement ofc is free healthcare, living in a country with free healthcare i can tell u its amazing. Dont listen to any bullshit stories being ill and being fixed without any worry at all financially is a big comfort in life. Imo all advanced nations should have this. the stories on american tv about the free healthcare in the uk made me giggle they were so rediculous and bold faced lies trying to scare the american public - i cant believe anyone would lap up that nonsense it really was pathetic the nhs is a great instiutuion and the uk is proud of it. Its wonderful to be taken care of if ill without any financial bog down or worry and were well proud of it even if we sometimes dont appreciate how good we have it v countries like the usa.
seriously, go discuss politics in the backroom -.-
Anyway warman, I waited and you never showed up, so yeah.
No such thing as free healthcare because the money is coming out of someone's pocket, but yeah our heathcare system is a joke and way out of hand.
Anyway like King said no politics here
#1 I wasn't feeling good and #2 I didn't know that, that was the official time, thought you was saying that's when you can play on Fridays in generals, my apologies, I misunderstood. I be on a few times this week so if you see me and I'm not busy with school work please do hit me up for a game or I'll nag you up for a game,whatever. :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyKing
Sure. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel
me and warman played today, was an okayish game, my win. So warman does do his challenges :laugh4:. I think both of us where tired though.
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Originally Posted by AggonyKing
Both are tired, I am in much pain and hardly any training....no good build for you.... We were both lucky I guess... :laugh4: :laugh:
Thank you.....
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Replay?
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I'll try to remember tomorrow :P
Try not to make fun of me to bad, I actually fared pretty well! :laugh4:
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here you go langley
Thank you m8
I watched. Game is very......very.....very....very..
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interesting :P
it was okay, could had been better. That wasn't my usual build :/ and was my first game in a few days, or else Warman would had gotten a bigger spanking :laugh4:
Oi you :2thumbsup:Quote:
no good build for you....
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Try not to make fun of me to bad, I actually fared pretty well!
Don't blame it on that though, you had the perfect troops to counter him actually /tease
I am not sure whose setup you were using, but you probably misunderstood the point of it a bit.
You went heavy in spear cavalry only to be dominated in mobility and went heavy in swords only to send them against shielded bows.
Basically, you lost on your right flank with one Great Guard and one Yari Cavalry against two Katana Cavalry squads which also trashed through two entire Loan Sword units because you could not multitask the charge.
Then you lost on your left flank with one Great Guard, three Yari Cavalry and two Yari Samurai against only two Great Guard, one Yari Ashigaru and one Matchlock unit by letting all four of your Cavalry units charged by the Yari Ashigaru. You could have retreated at any point even then, yet you preferred to take the melee against spears and clump all those horses together, and when he sent one Great Guard to reinforce the Ashis, you just piled up even more units when you sent in the two Yari Samurai without profiting from it to get your four Cavalry units out of there, where his single unit of matchlocks was tearing them appart. Needless to say all he had to do was then prolong this slaughter even more when he sent the second Great Guard and again pinned down Six whole units under matchlock fire with one single unit.
All the while, you charged the center with monks and swords into a spear meatshield which let his bows eat them whole.
If he would've scripted that in his favor, he wouldn't have done a better job :bow:
Just the cavalry maneuvers should give you the win next time if he does not change his setup, despite his deceptively strong veteran KCs. Or at least even the most basic ones would've made a big difference in this encounter if you would've attempted any :curtain: Hope you don't mind the harangue, but you were such a meanie to those horsies!
I beg to differ. His build was no where near the perfect counter. I could had kited and shot him until my arrows ran dry! That was going to be my plan actually but I baited him into the charge instead. If you notice I was going to start outmaneuvering him to shoot him but I quickly decided to move closer and bait him in. I decided not to waste too much time honestly, I was tired from the day, and wanted to relax :bow:
I like to exploit mistakes though, and that's all I did. I forced Warman into making some mistakes while exploited the ones he made himself.
Look, it's silly for me to play the armchair strategist here with "what ifs", yet simply by correcting the blunders the end result could've been changed.
You had an opponent who decided to move his vastly superior cavalry where he saw your cavalry, instead of forcing you to protect yourself all over the place. Not only that, but the flank in question was clearly the one which would level his mobility advantage by being heavily wooded, while your left flank was open plain. He then of course left those cavalry units to be charged by Ashi spears. Because when your 2:1 in cavalry, you use all of it to cover an infantry charge against the inferior host of riders instead of splitting and enveloping.
And on the other flank, his zero experience Great Guard stood still while being charged at full speed by your veteran Katana Cavalry, and it still fought it to single digits before both units routed simultaneously. We're probably safe to say that, if it were to have been charging itself, you would've soundly lost that exchange and with it and those Yari Cavalry he had left and his melee? general (least I saw no bows or S&F dismounting) he could've wheeled around and smashed your bows which at that point were totally unprotected. But instead he lost his GG, he let his Yari Cavalry be absorbed in a mass of Loan swords and kept his general out of the fray until his whole infantry collapsed.
Of course, those are just side-issues to the fact that he had a forest between you and himself but he decided for his infantry's direction of attack to traverse the one small open space between the two copses of trees, leaving you the freedom to shoot with maximum efficiency until the last minute before retreating behind your spears. Plus he advanced with his swords up front, and not his Yari Samurai with Rapid advance, which would've allowed him to reach your spears with his swords somewhat intact. I'm sure you would've just retreated your whole army further up into the open plain, but that transition was at least another opportunity.
Anyway, I've written too much and this was not a "comment the battle" thread at all. I was face-palming and of course that's always backed by some sort of strong opinion -- which yes, perhaps I should've kept to myself! /bonksnoggin' :stwshame:
Like I said, I like to exploit mistakes :laugh4: and that's all I did. Also its not the first time I face a rush like that with a balanced army, so I pretty much know how it goes. Pick your spot, stand firm, hold the line, and you'll win.
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Originally Posted by AggonyKing
Excuses Excuses! We still have to play when we both are feeling good so there can be no excuses! :balloon2::laugh4:
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Originally Posted by AggonyKing
True but I have beaten balanced armies before with rush armies, want my replays? :laugh4:
[QUOTE=AMP;2053370751 Not when you have simple problems killing the gameplay that have been around since the game was released. When I see signs of more pride and less greed in their work I'll think about playing again. The gaming industry and mindset of gamers today has really turned upside down compared to the old days of gaming. I hate to always sound so negative, but it's the truth. I feel like a Ron Paul of gaming trying to defend what it was meant to be, where now it's just about brainwashing, dumbing things down, and ripping people off. When it should be about honesty, being open minded, and really listening to their paying customers.[/QUOTE]
ditto..earlyer games were definitley better...as for dumbing the game down they do it so they wont alienate any customers..seems theres alota challenged souls out there...
Hey AMP, when can you play sometime 1v1? :knight:
warman, i challenge you, har har har :)
Sure, when can you play?
THANK YOU FOR THE GAME NIGEL!!
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where is replay?
I upload it later when I got time. You really going to like it King. Better watch yourself! :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyKing
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I don't think replays are even functional at all atm ^^;
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