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ROME 2!! THANK YOU HEAVEN!!! THANK YOU!!! YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!!! YES!!! FINALLY! FINALLY!!
Why did it take CA so long!? Rome was the best in the series! I know the Frontroom is not for video games, so I apologize to the mods, but this thread is actually only about being happy. :beam:
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I put up with allot of your shit, but this crosses the line. Get out of my houseQuote:
Rome was the best in the series!
You know it is the truth. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
We need a new forum for this.
Shogun II, and now Rome II. I'm kind of disappointed that CA is just retreading old ground rather than daring to explore other settings. It seems that the TW franchise has gotten so big that they're afraid to take risks with it.
I am happy that they seem to be paying more attention to appropriate scaling (I think my fondness for MTW was how the scale in the campaign map felt right):
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We’re having a province system where for several regions, maybe three or four regions, you’re only managing one province. It means that you get the strategic depth in terms of capturing territories and moving armies around.
Jury is out on what seems like a new emphasis on siege and urban battles. It's not terribly historical and has traditionally been one of the weakest parts of the series.Quote:
A legion will have its own legacy, its own gameplay effects and character – so for instance if you’ve lost a great battle or done something very specific with a legion it might get a trait with a particular game effect that reflects how you’ve used it. And that outlives its General, so it’s not just about the effects of the General.
(Quoted from RPS.)
Edit: We'll also need new forum names.
Well in their defense, what can they really do? There isnt that much left. Yeah you can argue you can go further back before Rome got powerful but then most units were roughly the same and it was for the most part fighting in between city states, if my memory serves. Rome seems the logical step forwards. Afterwards they can try something new and daring.Quote:
Originally Posted by quadalpha
As for me, Im very excited.
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Well in their defense, what can they really do? There isnt that much left. Yeah you can argue you can go further back before Rome got powerful but then most units were roughly the same and it was for the most part fighting in between city states, if my memory serves. Rome seems the logical step forwards. Afterwards they can try something new and daring.
RTW2 is a logical step, IMHO, and one that will be met with great enthusiasm, I'm sure. RTW was probably the most popular venue of all the TW series, and it's the only one not to get a make-over. Hopefully they do a credible job with it.
I haven't sales figures to substantiate this, so it may just be my own impression (I first started playing at MTW), but it really felt like the Total War series first became a big hit with RTW. Since then, they've already gone back and re-made their first two titles, so it makes a lot of sense to re-do the third one. There are a lot of people (myself included) who were rabid RTW fans, and a return to that setting I think is a guaranteed financial success, particularly after their relatively good showing with TWS2. CA's certainly managed to get themselves back onto my auto-purchase list, which they got knocked off of after ETW.
Could it have been something more interesting? Yes. Does that impact the fun factor of the Roman setting? No.
Agree here on the main points:
- logical to do RTW2
- Good stepping stone for the polished engine
- I just LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the period.
This is just what the doctor ordered!
Hm, really? Come on, people. We have talked about this before in these very forums. There were various periods mentioned: several possibilities in China, the American Civil War, 17-18th century Europe ... Well, I guess this is a thread to be excited in, so you alls can all do that. Just don't forget the obscurity of the wars of the Shogunate and even the Middle Ages before the TW series came along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
All I can think about is TRIREMES and what the guys from Europa Barbarorum are gonna do.
lol epic, how much everyone thinks about CA's games: hope the community will mod it right :PQuote:
Originally Posted by H.P. Lovesauce
meh i always enjoy ca's vanilla games! barely even touched mods.
China is a possibility but its so close to Shogun that it wont be that special. the American CW is too short for anything more than an expansion, and 17th-18th century Europe is pretty much covered by late M2TW (you have early muskets) and early ETW.Quote:
Originally Posted by quadalpha
Oh please, completely different culture and units, not to mention there would be Korea and tribes from Mongolia...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
As for other periods: Charlemagne, Persian Wars, rise of the Neo-Assyrian empire, Warring States, Three Kingdoms, Renaissance, India in any time period, Chinggis Khaan...
There's lots of options, but as TinCow masterly put it, this won't affect the fun :)
You know of their different cultures, but what about the masses? Look at it from a marketing standpoint. I think that most would look at it and say "oh look, a Shogun 2 copy."Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
As for the others, yes, they are fantastic time periods, but how many people would buy a game based around the Persian wars? I doubt most even know what they were. The past TW games however, have been easily recognized by the average joe.
I'm sure this one will be the most moddable total war game everQuote:
Originally Posted by H.P. Lovesauce
Without going too far off-topic (what was the topic?), I should note that this point has been answered:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
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Originally Posted by quadalpha
I would love one based in Asia (all of Asia, rather than tiny Japan...and not even all of it). The variety of cultures and warriors would be absurd, and for many people in the West it would be educational, as they know very little about Asian history.
The wars themselves can be obscure. Its the men who fight them. Everyone knows what a samurai or a medieval knight is. Why do you think the game covers have a very large samurai and a very large knight (or king, whatever) on them? Everyone knows of the Romans, the American Revolution and muskets, and most know who Napoleon is.Quote:
Originally Posted by quadalpha
But can you say that for very many of the options you put forward?
Look, Im not against having a TW for Asia or the Persian wars or whatever. Id love an Asia Total War. Im just thinking that from a commercial standpoint doing such a game is a major risk.
But everybody knows what knights and samurai are, even if they don't know the specifics of warfare in those time periods.Quote:
Originally Posted by quadalpha
That said, there are probably still viable new settings. I would love to see Warring States China, they could really emphasise the whole art of war angle, but not right after Shogun.
But Rome is also an awesome setting and Rome 2 is looking so so good.
Alright, people. :bow: Your points are well taken. It all goes to show that the world needs more people interested in military history.
What about a Biblical setting? There'd be a decent amount of familiarity with the time period despite the fact that it also hasn't been immensely explored.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalmonSoil
Sorta related, do you think religion will have much of an appearance in RTW2? Obviously, it wouldn't have the same monolithic power as in other games, but could be a way of having cultural influence on other places.
I don't think religion has ever yet lived up to its potential in the TW series. It usually seems to end up either as an annoyance or ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noncommunist
Wow. That's subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
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You know of their different cultures, but what about the masses? Look at it from a marketing standpoint. I think that most would look at it and say "oh look, a Shogun 2 copy."
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As for the others, yes, they are fantastic time periods, but how many people would buy a game based around the Persian wars? I doubt most even know what they were. The past TW games however, have been easily recognized by the average joe.
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Look, Im not against having a TW for Asia or the Persian wars or whatever. Id love an Asia Total War. Im just thinking that from a commercial standpoint doing such a game is a major risk.
I'd like to think after over 12 years CA has cultivated an image for themselves in the gaming industry. They could make it work by brand recognition alone. I bought Empire solely because it was the next big thing from CA, despite having next to no interest in the time period. If they went full on market blitz you can bet people would take the chance due to the unique niche these games fill in the market. After a decade there's still very few games who try to do everything TW does all in one nice and neat package.
Oh you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the pretty good
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Originally Posted by Vuk
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I don't really think Atheists like me would be interested. I also think the campaign map area would be far too small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noncommunist
Get out of strikes house, we all know ETW was the best in the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vuk
I'm surrounded by wrong opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veho Nex
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I confess, I'm excited about this as well.
So much that I even re-installed R:TW and BI to get in the mood.
I do hope the new game will provide a bit more of a challenge though... And no burning flying pigs, please.
I have to agree with you. After all who in the mainstream has any exposure to Asian martial culture other then Samurai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
It's not like there are any other country that has anything as iconic, martial or strategic when it comes to war.
Like China what do they have in mainstream entertainment apart from Jacky Chan comedies, or Hong Kong action cop flicks, or ghost stories, or HK martial art stories, or Bruce Lee, or ancient martial art stories, or Shao Lin monks.
Like seriously when was the last time you think China and massive warfare. Where in mainstream culture outside of a strategy site would have heard of the three kingdoms, autumn and spring, or the red cliffs or the terracotta soldiers.
Its not like Chinese martial arts is so main stream that kids movies would be based on them like some sort of Kung Fu Panda thing.
Or famous generals of like the red faced general or that other one that no one talks about outside of military geeks... like Son Chew or something or rather.
Nope I confuse all of that all the time with Samurai just like every other Gui Lao.
What are you talking about? Everyone knows what spring and autumn are, they happen before and after summer. Duh. Son Chew? Isn't that my dry cleaner?
Really? Sure, it would be based around an area because some religious people are interested in it but it wouldn't necessarily support any particular religion of the area. Also, while smaller than a lot of maps, it could still cover a decent amount of ground, encompassing parts of Egypt and Assyria.Quote:
Originally Posted by rickinator9
What sort of things would you do to make religion live up to its potential?Quote:
Originally Posted by quadalpha
- I imagine there would be a bit of a backlash if you market it as being set in 'biblical times'. The US seems to be polarised enough along those lines that CA would lose a non-negligible part of its target market. We also don't seem to know enough, historically, about warfare in the period to make it sufficiently interesting without resorting to fantasy or guesswork (I'm assuming you meant the Old Testament by 'biblical times', since the first century AD would be covered by Rome).Quote:
Originally Posted by Noncommunist
- About religion in R2: I don't think religion played as much of a role in the period by itself to warrant inclusion as a separate, significant system in the game. It can be profitably integrated with whatever political system they have in place, which would nicely mirror the way religion was largely integrated with politics in Greece and Rome. I don't know enough about religion in the 'barbarian' cultures to comment on that. Looking further afield, religion (in the faith-based, monotheistic sense we usually associate with it) seems to be difficult to incorporate as a game mechanic in the TW series in general. The x% happiness penalty is not really significant enough for the player. In something like Crusader Kings 2, religion can influence which territories you try to acquire, but in TW, where the focus is really on conquering whatever stands in your way, religion doesn't seem to be a significant on that kind of strategic level.
Rome 2? I go on vacation for 1 week and I get this? WOOOOOOT! :laugh4: :hail:
I got into total war through MTW, but RTW inspired my true love for the series. I'm definitely excited and happy to hear the news. Ironically, I heard about it through the Paradox forums, where people were saying there wouldn't be a new Europa Universalis: Rome game out for a while, since CA just announced RTWII!
Can't wait to see the graphics.
MTW1 was the best original one, RTW:EB was the best one in total and MTW2 was also fun. imo NTW was promising but in the end just too narrow to be really entertaining (not much replayability imo) and I didnt get STW2 because NTW dissapointed me.
this is sarcasm right? it better be XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
anyway, why not australia and NZ, should be great fun to pick the maori's get on your canoo's and destroy those poor indiginous pacifist australians :D
Give your sarcasm detector a whack. That usually works ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger