This is a free for all hotseat using the Broken Crescent M2TW modification, version 2.3.2 (installation instructions below). This will be a lead battles game, meaning one may lead versus enemy (AI or human lead) armies if given the chance, or autoresolve at their own discretion. Sallies from the AI versus human besieging armies are automatically autoresolved.
For those unfamiliar with hotseats or who have not played lead battles, you should consult the comprehensive guide to hotseat play and especially the lead battles section.
Victory conditions: Be the last human player in the game or force the submission of the remaining players. If campaign victory is achieved but a player remains adamant to continue fighting you must oblige and carry on with the war. An allied victory is possible only for two factions maximum, and only if they remain the last two factions on the map or all other factions concede defeat to that alliance.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Each player has 48 hours to complete his turn (not counting weekends). After that the Admin may skip his faction or he can be subbed.
Do not attack ships in ports.
Armies boarding ships in ports can't stay there for more than one turn.
Don't leave blockaded ports without beating the blockading ships first.
Don't stack merchants in armies or forts to get more than one to stand on the same resource (Merchant Fort)
No surrounding armies or agents to destroy them. (Surround&Destroy)
Don't attack units who were left next to a settlement in order to capture it on the same turn in order to cheat the garrison script. In fact don't cheat the garrison script period. (this only applies vs AI factions)
Don't use repeated offers for bribe to increase your faction leader's dread.
Enable "Unlimited men on battlefield" in order to not abuse when leading battles vs the AI (PM me for instructions, though SS has this on by default)
Armies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list, and thus lose all their movement points
Armies that are defeated in battle may not be attacked on the following turn, as they are banned from moving, either by the game mechanics or by the rule above. They must be allowed to move first, or must be reinforced. If the defeated army retreats to a settlement or fort, this rule does not apply.
Ballistas can't open anything, catapults can open wooden walls, trebuchets or better can open anything.
Spies cannot open anything..
Assassins are allowed to target anyone but the players are limited to one assassination attempt per turn. It must be the first action they do, before they spend money or do anything else. Upon a successful assassination the game admin will load that player's save and attempt the assassination. If the results are different there will be penalties for cheating.
Crusades and Jihads cannot be joined or called.
ONLY religious buildings can be destroyed upon the conquest of a settlement and ONLY if they are of a religion different than your own.
No trading of provinces to receive free troops. If you trade provinces, make sure they have no garrison prior to the exchange.
No deliberate deals that would put you in debt above -10,000 florins.
2. Install the patch and the quickfix from this thread. Rund them as administartor (detailed instructions in the thread).
3. After you have done steps 1 and 2, download this archive and unpack it in your main folder for the mod. Overwrite when asked to do so. (If you want, back up your original mod files). This archive (provided by @LooseCannon1) changes the game so forts can be constructed - a paramount feature for a successful lead battles game.
If you are new to the mod (like me) or version 2.3 it is advisable to read this and this thread.
Faction choices:
Nightbringer - Abbasid Caliphate LooseCannon1 - Kingdom of Armenia Visorslash - Imamate of Oman (currently witdhrawn) rickinator9 - Kingdom of Georgia Ignoramus - Eastern Roman Empire SilverShield - Sultanate of Ghazni Myth - The Ayyubid Sultanate
Having trouble choosing a faction? Check this out.
09-04-2012, 14:52
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
I've decided to go for the The Ayyubid Sultanate though I might switch to the Kingdom of Jerusalem depending on the number of players involved and the AI/player lead faction distribution.
09-04-2012, 21:00
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
We have a small problem. I tested it - the forts we build with our current setup remain permanent on the map. Permanent forts might not be a problem but eventually in the later stages of the game the map might be littered with forts.
09-05-2012, 01:35
Visor
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Hmm. Give me Oman. You guys will need another player. Though I'm likely to be thrashed, haven't played a proper game in ages.
EDIT: Choosing Oman because Armenia is my favourite faction (damn you Loose! :tongue:) and because I want to try something a little different.
09-05-2012, 01:40
Visor
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Quote:
Don't attack units who were left next to a settlement in order to capture it on the same turn in order to cheat the garrison script. In fact don't cheat the garrison script period. (this only applies vs AI factions)
What happens if we set the garrison script off, then attack an army outside the settlement?
09-05-2012, 08:31
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
That's OK. So long as you have to fight the garrison armies when you take the city. Does BC even have a garrison script though? Also, welcome back to the TR and hotseats Virsor!
09-05-2012, 20:56
Nightbringer
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Sorry about the delay, I keep getting incomplete downloads.
Alright, even when it downloads complete, it just says it has invalid data when I run the file. Any suggestions?
09-05-2012, 23:51
SilverShield
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
alright i think that looks good. just whats it with that automatic stuff. u cant fight a battle then if u attack a city or something? that was bad then
i think its okay if forts are permanent
u know when i downloaded the bc 2.3 stuff last year it was 3 files and u have to install each separately
09-09-2012, 00:39
rickinator9
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
I would love to join in as the Kingdom of Georgia. This is going to be my first hotseat. Is there a tutorial of tactics that apply to hotseats?
09-09-2012, 10:52
Nightbringer
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickinator9
I would love to join in as the Kingdom of Georgia. This is going to be my first hotseat. Is there a tutorial of tactics that apply to hotseats?
OK so once NB gets this set up and picks a faction we can get started. It's nigh on time to get some wars going on in the TR!
09-29-2012, 10:08
Nightbringer
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
I'll take the Abbasids!
09-29-2012, 20:35
SilverShield
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
alright so we all got our faction now we ready for this game and im feeling good about it we can start this
i see the abassids as an interesting pick
in a positive way
09-29-2012, 22:15
rickinator9
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
@Myth
Could you update the op with the faction choices?
09-29-2012, 22:24
Nightbringer
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
I thought they had plenty of stuff to grab, and would be an interesting central location to have. My second choice was Georgia, but they begin the game with negative income :/
10-01-2012, 12:27
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Nightbringer - Abbasid Caliphate LooseCannon1 - Kingdom of Armenia Visorslash - Imamate of Oman (currently witdhrawn) rickinator9 - Kingdom of Georgia Ignoramus - Eastern Roman Empire SilverShield - Sultanate of Ghazni Myth - The Ayyubid Sultanate
Alright that's 6 players, a good and healthy number IMO. If Visor or Thanatos want to join up, please do! Any other potential players welcome!
wait a sec guys what about what LC said that we can have forts gone once they empy. do we have it like that?
thats what he said
Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseCannon1
Also, if I set forts to disappear if left empty in that file, all empty forts disappear including the starting preset ones. Which way does everybody want to play?
we have it like that ? i d prefer forts gone in this game once they left empty
10-02-2012, 12:21
SilverShield
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
Sallies from the AI versus human besieging armies are automatically autoresolved.
man what about this that aint good seriously i think it was bad if we did it like that. i think thats too much of an advantage for the defender then. u know the defender already has an advantage. we all remember what happened with those armies at the city of venice in cog. i already see this as an advantage for the defender so i think the sally thing just makes it even for the attacker. u know so he got a shot at dealing some real damage too. and honestly i do believe the game slows down a lot and is just static and boring if we didnt fight the sallies in the field. i rather have this game open and unpredictable with lots of fast action and back and forth and i think we can only assure this if we keep all battles on the field
also was good if we d include the rule about dead zones u know the thing from cog where u gotta respect a dead zone of an army or a city or fort even if u had not to through the game. tho fighting them sallies on the field is the most essential thing
10-03-2012, 18:03
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
The sallies rule is just a clarification, it doesn't change anything. It's only for humans vs Ai, so you don't expect to siege one town with two generals and when the dumb AI sallies you get to play the battle and kill 800 men with two units of horse.
So when the AI sallies vs your besieging force the game just autocalcs (so make sure your force is big enough to keep it inside). For player vs player whomever gets the jump gets to play the battle as per ususal.
@loosecannnon1 I think it's better to have all forts disappear. If you can provide the file I'd restart the game.
10-04-2012, 21:16
SilverShield
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
as i said man i think the game slows down thus is more static and hence boring if we dont make all battles being fought on the map. i see taking out big garrisions with small cav troops is what makes the game fast and unpredictable and hence keeps it open and interesting
10-04-2012, 23:07
LooseCannon1
1 Attachment(s)
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Here's the new file forts set to disappear if empty. Just unzip it to your data file. Everybody.
10-05-2012, 08:05
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Silver, that rule is usually never posted here anyway, the admins just never create games that allow a player to lead a battle vs the AI when it attacks. If you leave your troops open and the AI attacks you, it gets to AR versus your armies. Otherwise the game becomes MUCH slower, trust me on this one. The last player to end the turn will have to distribute the save for each battle between each player, it's a nightmare.
10-08-2012, 07:15
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
OK I suggest we all use the second file LooseCannon provided and we get this thing rolling. @Ignoramus are you able to play your turn? I restarted after updating to Loose's most recent file just to be sure. Save is here.
10-08-2012, 20:10
SilverShield
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
alright i had this wrong then
Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
Silver, that rule is usually never posted here anyway, the admins just never create games that allow a player to lead a battle vs the AI when it attacks. If you leave your troops open and the AI attacks you, it gets to AR versus your armies. Otherwise the game becomes MUCH slower, trust me on this one. The last player to end the turn will have to distribute the save for each battle between each player, it's a nightmare.
10-08-2012, 20:18
SilverShield
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
alright i see forts disappearing with the new file. cool thing thx man
10-09-2012, 13:06
Ignoramus
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Hey guys,
I'd really like to play this turn, but may I request someone to sub for me on the first turn? I'm really busy with an easy due in a few days time, and don't have the time to do my turn. I haven't had time yet to download the mod, and so consider it unfair on you guys to hold you up. I should be able to play at the start of next week, though. I've played my turn in the Crusades hotseat, as that didn't take much planning and I already had Kingdoms installed - I'll upload it tomorrow.
Thanks and apologies,
Ignoramus.
10-10-2012, 19:50
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
No problem @Ignoramus, I subbed you to the best of my ability. The ERE cavalry looks formidable to say the least!
Georgia up. @rickinator9 Please don't forget to add the most recent version of LooseCannon1's modified file so forts can disappear.
@SilverShield, that link appears to have died, can you re-post it so I can change the PW and hand it over to vasilefs. :)
Looking forward to playing with you as well vasilefs!
10-29-2012, 18:24
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Silver is out of town, I've PMed him, I hope he can provide the save file tomorrow so we can get this thing rolling. @Vasilefs do you have Broken Crescent installed?
I dinged my car yesterday and I did not have time to log on. Password has been cleared and welcome to @Vasilefs! I've subbed the first turn of the ERE so you should be fine as far as the faction goes. The save is here.
Sorry guys, busy week with the new term coming up and those errors I'm getting regardless of save are frustrating me.
11-17-2012, 14:50
LooseCannon1
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickinator9
Sorry guys, busy week with the new term coming up and those errors I'm getting regardless of save are frustrating me.
@rickinator9
Can you tell us what's happening? What kind of errors? Where are they occurring-on game start or when loading save? IF YOU DON'T TELL US, WE CAN'T HELP YOU!
11-17-2012, 16:03
rickinator9
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseCannon1
@rickinator9
Can you tell us what's happening? What kind of errors? Where are they occurring-on game start or when loading save? IF YOU DON'T TELL US, WE CAN'T HELP YOU!
Apparently, everyone has been ignoring my post #57 then.
Code:
Medieval 2 has encountered an unspecified error and will now exit
Appears randomly during the game. Didn't really do anything with my MIITW before getting that error.
11-18-2012, 10:33
Nightbringer
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
At what time exactly is the error occurring? When you load the save? When you start the game? Does it occur if you try to load the vanilla game?
11-18-2012, 12:00
rickinator9
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
It happens randomly. Like when I right click on a unit or when I select an army. I did turn on compatibility mode yesterday, so I'm going to check if that solved it.
Edit: Didn't work
11-18-2012, 15:16
LooseCannon1
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
@rickinator9 Go to the file M2TW/logs/bc_log and post it here (you only need the last 12 lines of that file) or tell us what it says. Use notepad or something simillar. I may be able to help you with that. Or if you like send me your password and what you were trying to do by PM and I'll try it to see what happens.
11-18-2012, 20:09
rickinator9
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Last 12 lines:
Code:
13:02:14.974 [game.script.trigger] [info] 002 triggers tested by event GeneralPrisonersRansomedCaptive
13:02:14.974 [game.script.trigger] [info] 000 triggers tested by event BattleWinningPlaza
13:02:14.974 [game.script.trigger] [info] 001 triggers tested by event PreBattleScrollAdviceRequested
13:02:14.974 [game.script.trigger] [info] 001 triggers tested by event MultiTurnMove
13:02:14.974 [game.script.trigger] [info] 000 triggers tested by event MessageClosed
13:02:14.974 [game.script.trigger] [info] 004 triggers tested by event BrotherAdopted
13:02:14.975 [game.script.trigger] [info] 001 triggers tested by event Demeanour
13:02:14.975 [game.script.trigger] [info] 003 triggers tested by event AcquisitionMission
13:02:14.975 [game.script.trigger] [info] 000 triggers tested by event ObjSeen
13:02:14.975 [game.script.trigger] [info] 011 triggers tested by event IncomingMessage
13:02:14.975 [game.script.trigger] [info] 000 triggers tested by event EventCounter
13:02:14.975 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/Broken_Crescent_kingdoms/preferences/player.txt
11-19-2012, 00:34
LooseCannon1
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
@rickinator9 The BC team left too much stuff in their released version. Too many logs(great for modding,not for us). Try this to get a better error report. Edit the bc_kingdoms.cfg file. Check its "Properties" to make sure it's not read only. Change the line that reads "level = * trace" to "level = * error" . (It should be the 15th line in Notepad+). Then replay the turn, then copy that log after it crashes.
This would be good for all of us to do just in case someone else has problems.
11-21-2012, 03:44
SilverShield
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
had that kinda problem with broken crescent 2.02. as far as i understand its a problem of the windows 7 thing and broken crescent. no idea what the actual problem is but nothing of that ever when i still did broken crescent and the windows xp. those kinda problems just came up when i did it with the windows 7 then. was just the same for some others too at the other forum. none of that with 2.3 for me yet but yea somewhat possible theres the same kinda problem
11-21-2012, 12:50
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
I have turned the UAC security feature thing and my Win 7 is working just fine. How were you able to play your previous turn? Strange...
11-22-2012, 12:30
rickinator9
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
I do remember I installed EB between turns. Maybe I should just do reinstall in the weekend.
11-26-2012, 14:27
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
@rickinator9 any luck with fixing the issue? Can you have someone sub you so we can move forward?
11-27-2012, 18:24
rickinator9
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
@rickinator9 any luck with fixing the issue? Can you have someone sub you so we can move forward?
I guess I'm out. I reinstalled the game, the mod and installed the file from LooseCannon1, but I still get the error. So yes, someone would have to sub me.
11-29-2012, 22:38
SilverShield
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
so how we ll go on with this game we already have someone to take over?
11-30-2012, 02:42
SilverShield
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
guys im not really sure whether broken crescent is that good a choice really. the whole scene is pretty cool but if someone of us had the same issues rick had now just way later in that really was just x up then. and honestly i guess it is somewhat possible if it already happened. as i said i had the same problems with the 2.02 version but yea its pretty much possible theres the same kinds issues with the 2.3 version. whysoever actually. so yea was just x up if one of us had those kinda problems if we already way in the game here. im really starting to think a new stainless steel game was a better choice. how u guys think about that
11-30-2012, 08:43
Nightbringer
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
honestly, I would be fine with either. It would certainly frustrating if it fell apart later, but I also really want to try out the mod in hotseat. I also always enjoy ss 6.4 hotseats though, so I wouldn't be too upset. That said, we are currently having an issue with that mod as well in the EU game.
12-01-2012, 21:57
SilverShield
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
yea true the broken crescent scene is worth giving this game a try
12-02-2012, 14:32
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
I propose Rickinator asks how the isuse can be fixed in the BC forums on the TWC.
In the mean time, we can start a new game. How about SS 6.4 where everyone fights to control Jerusalem, Tyre, Acre, Antioch and a few other cities in the Holy Lands? Eastern factions will be a natural choice as such.
I want to continue Empires of the East but keeping Rickinator as a player is IMO more important than being so firm about BC as a mod.
12-03-2012, 01:11
LooseCannon1
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Myth, have you had a chance to try rickinator9's save? I'd like to try and find out what the problem is and if there's a fix for it.
12-03-2012, 07:51
Myth
Re: [BC 2.3] Empires of the East
Not really, since my GF was at my place for the past few days. I'll try tonight.
