Amazon: Total War Screenshots

This is a thread to start a new Amazons Total War gallery, since the original one at TWC has been destroyed.

Libyan Amazon Longbow Archer model, from release 7.0C
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Geothe Amazon Longbow Archer model, from release 7.0C
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Far East Celt Battle Wagons, from release 7.0C
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Far East Celt Carriage Ballista, from release 7.0A
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Ptolemaic Egyptian Elephant troop with chariots, from 7.0C
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Linked Armor-Clad Cavalry charging Ptolemaic Elephants
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Far East Celt Battle Wagons charging Ptolemaic Elephants
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Prototype Amazon Longbow Archer testing
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Some 3d components and textures of these models may have been used with kind permissions from various parties, please view the readme folder in the mod file for detail listing.

Prototype Amazon Armored Cohort
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Amazon Mano-Ballista Arbalist
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Amazon Ax Peltast Model
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Amazon Heavy Peltast Model
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Amazon Pathfinders Test
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Amazon Pathfinder model
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Amazon Noble Maiden with mano-ballista
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Amazon Roundshield
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Amazon Armored Dispatcher
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Geothe Amazon Elite Scout
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Libyan Amazon Longbow archer from 7.0C release,

with back quiver and sword scabbard on shoulder strap.
ancient circassian helmet pinned and set by hair
double composite bows with two strings.

Nocking and drawing the bow:
with large size composite double bow with two sets of limbs and two strings. because the animation is not fully perfected yet, the following description is necessary to describe the hypothesized sequence: On horseback or on foot, "nocking" of the projectile is by drawing one bow string first to an anchor location, usually on the opposite end of the shoulder and deposit the string at a smooth-surfaced hook, the arrow is then drawn with the second string and at the end of the draw cycle, the end of the arrow is nocked to both bow strings. Or the second string is drawn to the hook and arrow inserted and nocked onto both strings. The shooting form is important for the archer to draw the bow strings and aim in certain ways and only train or elevate the aim by rotating or pivoting the waist.

In contrast, the English longbow is drawn only to the chin or the side of the archer's jaw or lips.

Helmet Harness:
The helmet, with an opening on the top, is set on the wearer by the wearer's hair around the pate and/or the crown, drawn from inside of the helmet to the outside of helmet through the top opening. And the hair pin or hair rings are used to retain the hair on top of the helmet. To make sure the hair does not tumble down to interfere with close quarter fighting or horseback archery. The hair is propped straight up with a flexible wooden stick and then twirled on the top of the stick. In this fashion, the wearer does not need chin strap to fasten the helmet.

Helmet Drape:
The drape can be chain-mail links in copper alloy or iron. It is more effective if the drapes are in two layers, and with hair (whatever remained inside the helmet) wrapped in between the two layers. The idea is not to deflect close range shot or blow, but to cause a long range or strayed projectile to get disoriented when it hits the first layer of the chain mail, and thereby introduces a rotational moment to the impact as it penetrate through the wrapped hair, and then it would be easier for the second layer to stop the incoming missile because of the rotational momentum. So in some aspect, this is similar to a WWII space armor concept. The drawback is, the chain mail drape can not prevent blunt trauma, and can not really protect the wearer from a stabbing thrust.

The aforementioned anthropology theses are entirely conceived by Parthian Shot. Written permission is needed to quote or use the above information, in part or as a whole.
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Geothe Amazon Longbow Archer from 7.0C

The gears are similar to the Amazon mercenary longbow archers depicted above, except a great deal of equipment are using copper alloy instead of iron. The best armor grade copper alloy is about 90% hardness of the best of modern day armor grade steel, and it would not rust away as easily as the iron gears. So a unit deployed using copper alloy armor but using iron sword or iron encased, or iron tipped projectile, has lower maintenance cost than a fully iron geared unit, but just as effective.

The model shows the front loin cloth, as skirt was not in fashion, as a matter of fact, the skirt was only worn by very few men in certain part of the world, but not at all by women of the time. Fashion in 300BC is limited by the fact that fabrics are woven entirely by hand without advanced tools such as spinning wheels (with the exception of Far East Celt which is one of the Amazon Total War factions (depicted first in Amazons Total War), who has been using such tools, and so did the ancient Chinese). Even with the "industrial" societies (usually utilizing slave labor exploitation) in Greece, Italia, and many parts of Europe, most women prefer one piece fabrics (chiton for example) arranged in a variety of ways. And such fashion clearly has its utilitarian purposes. As a single piece of garment can be easily adjusted for changing body dimensions.
And the most favored clothing, where they are available, is componentized animal pelt. And in warm weather, or in a life-or-death combat, the less clothing is the preference.

In ancient time, the concept of being naked is not a degrading moral issue as it is today. The word, gymnasium, for example, means a place to get naked, and it means being naked for both men and women who are in the gym. Most sports are engaged without anyone wearing any clothing, as are the athletes in the ancient Olympic Games. A properly trained military unit will not allow non-regulatory clothing to interfere with the weapon drill or combat performance. So either they were issued with uniform designed for such activities (read, a very expensive unit), or they are using their own gears (peasants or some militia units and therefore very cheap), or they are issued with faction's gear but not wearing anything which can jeopardize their survival on the battlefield (read, a unit with reasonable cost, but being naked other than their issued gears).


The model is also wearing a pair of garter chain-mails, these are more for the heavy infantry or cavalry who need armor protection against missile strike or weapon blow against their lower limbs. The garter chain mail limits the movement of the wearer and must worn with suspender straps (not shown), but it is ideal for cavalry to protect themselves from close-quarter infantry attack. But it will not be effective against a stabbing thrust of a spear or a sword.

The aforementioned anthropology thesis/theses are entirely conceived by Parthian Shot. Written permission is needed to quote or use the above information, in part or as a whole.
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Some 3d components and textures of these models may have been used with kind permissions from various parties, please view the readme folder in the mod file for detail listing.

Amazon Elite Scout


Though the scouts are similar in appearance as the longbow archers, because the armor, the double-bows, and swords issued to both units are the same. The Elite Scout unit has military insignia(s) on their helmets, usually something easy to identify on the battlefield and frightful to the enemy.


In case of the Geothe Amazon, their scout has a pair of wings mounted on top of their helmets. Hence their nickname "winged maidens".


The scout does not use arrows, they carry a pair of arrow shafts as a rail component, and shoots iron encased lead cylindrical block about the diameter of a thumb with the iron casing ended with a sharp tempered tip. The other end section of the iron casing is fluted so as to cause fast spinning of the projectile during the flight. The fast spin stabilizes the projectile and the missile's external ballistics is not dissimilar to modern day armor-piercing bullets. So instead of carrying a back quiver, the scout carries hip ammo-container which allows her to have 60+ shots of such missiles. This affords the scout a very good stand-off capability.


In contrast, the regular Amazon longbow archers are very limited in the amount of arrows they can carry, because of their over sized double-bow requires arrows with extra long shafts and larger diameters to cope with the correct spine stiffness. Once their limited amount of arrows ran out, they will lose their stand-off capability, so they either have to withdraw from the battlefield or charge the enemy with their swords.


In comparison, the initial velocity of the iron encased lead cylinder is slower than the longbow archer's long arrow. But because of its superior ballistic coefficient, iron encased lead cylinder retains more velocity at much longer range. and that terminal velocity is the key for better anti-armor capability at distance. Whereas, at long range, the longbow arrow would lose so much velocity such that it will not be able to penetrate armor or shield but the iron encase lead shot will still go through enemy's armor or shield.


As for the cost comparison of shooting lead cylinder vs. shooting an arrow: the Amazon Total War weapon whitepaper stated, to function properly, an arrow's wooden shaft must be selected, and cured for 2-5 years, re-inspected insect and other storage damages, and then precision hewn or lathed to guarantee straightness. It was then attached to the arrow head which need tempering, and then carefully fletched with feather or with thin woven reeds. To guarantee the accuracy, the concentricity of the three components (arrowhead, shaft, and fletch+nock) must be re-checked. Then the evenness of the fletch inspected, because any uneven fletching will cause the arrows to spin into helical trajectory which reduces its terminal velocity and accuracy. So even with the faulty arrows rejected or relegated to training purposes, to be effective, the arrow-smith industry requires the availability of abundant quality wood supply, a great amount of controlled storage, a team of knowledgeable experts, a great number of skilled crafts people, and careful planning to be able to maintain a steady supply of arrows for combat deployment.


Whereas, the lead can be mined and easily purified by melting and then formed into lead cylinders with ingots, which make each cylinder almost guaranteed with equal weight. For war time deployment, however, the iron casing would be applied to allow this missile to be armor-piercing, which increase the complexity of the manufacturing process, nevertheless, the iron casing is still cheaper to produce than the cost of making an armor-piercing arrowhead.


The scout still retain the tradition of carrying the sword on her shoulder strap. Using back quiver and carrying sword in the back is actually preferred over carry quiver or sword on the hip. With the scout and other units shooting iron cased lead as exceptions, back quiver allows faster draw of arrow. And shoulder strapped sword gives the soldier easier access and allows the sword to strike once it is out of the scabbard.


The aforementioned anthropology thesis/theses are entirely conceived by Parthian Shot. Written permission is needed to quote or use the above information, in part or as a whole.
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Some 3d components and textures of these models may have been used with kind permissions from various parties, please view the readme folder in the mod file for detail listing.

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Achmaenid Women Warrior
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7.0D's Sword Maidens

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New Amazons Total War ranking update
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screen shot
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Edited to not showing the upper torso, even though it is a contoured armor.

Amazons Total War Ranked top 2 on ModDB

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Amazons Total War listed as top 5 most popular mod title out of more than 19,200 titles listed on ModDB
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Amazons Total War ranked top 3 mod on ModDB
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Amazon Reached Top Most Ranking on ModDB May 11, 2013
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Persian tower wagon from Xenophon's account.
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New Amazons Total War load screens and UI

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New Amazons units

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Amazon Night battle scenes, 18+ only

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Geothe Amazon Dispatchers using Modular Biometric Animation. 18+ only

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Do you use custom lighting for your mod? I know the creator of EoD wrote a guide on TWC wiki on how to mess around with the lighting.

Yes, we did change the lighting, because we customize an RSII battlescape into our mod, the lighting is almost a necessity. Not to say it is optimized or anything like that.

Libyan Demi-Lancer usering Modular Biometric Animation (MBA) technique

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Themiskyran Demi-Lancer
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This may look like dance, but according to Keterina Tarnovska, this is the simile of the original Amazon fighting art in Ukraine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSv8-Kzbmf4

I'm scared that they'll knock on my door. :sweatdrop:

Hahaha! It is just dance, nothing more, right?

Well, I don't want to scatter anyones' enthusiasm, but all I see there are 2 or 3 Capoeira moves that can actually hurt someone... and the rest is rather ineffective hopping around. Kicking someone while jumping backwards? Maybe, your Adversary will actually stop fighting because he is rolling on the floor laughing :-S
I guess, real "Amazon Style Fighting" wouldn't have differed that much from Fighting Styles of other nations, and might have much in common with the medieval german Longsword techniques of Talhoffer and Lichtenauer in the video below - but that's just a personal guess of mine. The moves are carried out by guys, but the gender doesn't matter - moves are moves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc&list=PL05141CCE7B3EBF2A

Are they wearing any protective gear for their upper torso? if not, this look very dangerous, I can see they are mainly attacking the opponent's head, still one accidental thrust in the wrong direction can puncture a lung or worse..

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Well, I don't want to scatter anyones' enthusiasm, but all I see there are 2 or 3 Capoeira moves that can actually hurt someone... and the rest is rather ineffective hopping around. Kicking someone while jumping backwards? Maybe, your Adversary will actually stop fighting because he is rolling on the floor laughing :-S
I guess, real "Amazon Style Fighting" wouldn't have differed that much from Fighting Styles of other nations, and might have much in common with the medieval german Longsword techniques of Talhoffer and Lichtenauer in the video below - but that's just a personal guess of mine. The moves are carried out by guys, but the gender doesn't matter - moves are moves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc&list=PL05141CCE7B3EBF2A

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Also, you don't believe the back flip have use in hand to hand combat? because with correct stance, a back flip can be initiated with a kick and when the flip is complete, a punch. They in the video are doing OK, but obviously not quite fluid with the movement.
And their dance does have a great deal of traditional Cossack dance move incorporated in the choreography, that is what Hoppak is.

When you do medieval fencing, you use unsharpened Swords which are also blunt at the top, so slashing and spiking moves don't do any harm (well, except a few bruises every now and then LOL). Even if it looks otherwise, the moves aren't carried out with a lot of force - in a "real life combat", these swords would have been razorsharp, and thanks to the high leverage you don't need serious power to cut someone in half... I do highly recommend the use of protective Gloves, nevertheless. A Friend of mine is fencing without, and he has already had some broken Fingers :-S
@ the dancing topic:
I don't think that these fancy moves make any sense at all. They look great at a Kung-Fu-Show or in the movies, but in a real life Confrontation you stick to simple, quick moves that keep you alife and do the job, i.e. killing someone...
besides, in a full scale battle, you haven't got a lot of space to move around.
Not very suprisingly, the medieval fencing also includes Brawling and Wrestling. The Punches and Kicks there are mostly simple hits to vital areas. Sometimes these Competitions look very much like armed Barfights LOL

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When you do medieval fencing, you use unsharpened Swords which are also blunt at the top, so slashing and spiking moves don't do any harm (well, except a few bruises every now and then LOL). Even if it looks otherwise, the moves aren't carried out with a lot of force - in a "real life combat", these swords would have been razorsharp, and thanks to the high leverage you don't need serious power to cut someone in half... I do highly recommend the use of protective Gloves, nevertheless. A Friend of mine is fencing without, and he has already had some broken Fingers :-S
@ the dancing topic:
I don't think that these fancy moves make any sense at all. They look great at a Kung-Fu-Show or in the movies, but in a real life Confrontation you stick to simple, quick moves that keep you alife and do the job, i.e. killing someone...
besides, in a full scale battle, you haven't got a lot of space to move around.
Not very suprisingly, the medieval fencing also includes Brawling and Wrestling. The Punches and Kicks there are mostly simple hits to vital areas. Sometimes these Competitions look very much like armed Barfights LOL

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I agree with most of your points, but for women who have disadvantage against men in close-quarter combat, they need to do something beside simply trading blows, because they will lose the fight.
Speed, veracity, as well as unexpected moves will allow them to gain advantage. It just needs to be put into practice regimen and integrate into their fighting technique.

You loose Fight, when the Opponent succesfully delivers a Blow to a vital area. You can be the toughest guy in the World - when someone's Fist hits your Throat (for example), you are done for...
There is a significant Difference between 2 Guys, beating themselves up in a Bar - and a close-quarter Fight in a War:
The Guys in the Bar really don't want to kill each other, so they simply trade blows to non-vital-areas for a while, and 5 Minutes later they enjoy a Beer together...
In such Fights the toughest Guy always wins. Stamina and Strength are the key components in winning here.
In our civilized, modern World we are (luckily) so accustomed to this kind of Fight, that we have Problems imagining other kinds of fights, like a lethal Fight in a War. Even MMA Fights have Rules and are relatively harmless (at least a friend of mine who does MMA keeps saying this...)

Winning a lethal Fight means protecting your vital Areas and delivering ONE successful Hit. Plain and simple. You need neither extreme Strength nor Disco-Dancing-Moves to do that. The quicker and straighter your Moves, the higher the Chances of hitting your Opponent.
Sure, you have to have some kind of Strength for your Blow, but let's assume that EVERY Soldier has recieved a bit of training, regardless of Gender.

I know, we all like the Imagination of an Amazon moving smooth and slinky on the Battlefield like a perfect blend of an attacking Tiger and Ginger Rodgers having a Dance with Freddy - but let's be realistic, here: You'll skip the Hey-Look-at-me-I'm sexy-Attitude, when your life is at stake...

LOL
Iv'e just discussed the Topic with my MMA-Friend, and he gave me the Link to a very convincing and funny video about what happens, when stylish Hollywood-Moves meet simple Techniques...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7157QMW9abM

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LOL
Iv'e just discussed the Topic with my MMA-Friend, and he gave me the Link to a very convincing and funny video about what happens, when stylish Hollywood-Moves meet simple Techniques...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7157QMW9abM

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Well, the video is just razzle-dazzle and an over simplification of hand-to-hand combat.

To bring this thread back to topic, I have my share of training, I do think there is reason why Keterina Tarnovska is the world kickboxing champion for women.

And her routine combined the traditional Ukrainian way with kickboxing technique, I think the truth is if someone practice her way with precision and decisive blows, they can be lethal too.

You're right, it's a little off topic, talking about fighting styles in a screenshot-thread ;-)
Just one last suggestion from me: Maybe, Keterina is World Champion, because she is a very good Kickboxer. I don't see any unusual or arkward moves from her.

New animation created by Pea

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Pea's new MBA Amazon Peasant, 18+ viewers only.

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