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According to the latest Rally Point...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blAIH_mYvIk
This also means Medieval:TW is coming to Steam, which is amazing news as well. Hopefully in the case of Shogun more and more people will discover the original game that started the TW series. :yes:
Perhaps some MP battles, like in the old Org times?
The big question is...did they update the games so that they're playable on modern rigs without having to jump through hoops?:inquisitive:
Yes. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
Apparently, Shogun TW will get Windows 7 & 8 compatibility, large screen usage (16:9 and 4:3) and MP through Steam. The MP part is to be confirmed.
Indeed, the details above are confirmed by CA. Reddit thread - http://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/com...pj7g?context=4
:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nico_CA
Awesome-sauce. ~:)
And here it is!
http://store.steampowered.com/app/345240/
Did anyone play the "modern" Shogun TW? :bow:
I am playing it now. It runs flawlessly on my Windows 8.1 64 bit machine.
I am having trouble with the first encounter tutorial but I searched the web, discovered this wonderful website, and found an answer I believe. I am a happy chap.
Any idea if the LAN play can be turned into multiplayer somehow?
Nice
Hope MP will be supported..
This raises a good point I didn't ask before - does the "new" STW support MP? Can you play MP battles?
It doesn't seem so. I do not know if there is a workaround for MP.Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Shame. I'll look into it as well.
I finally played some STW after all these years, I forgot how hard this game was. :sweatdrop:
In my Uesugi 1530 campaign, once I had sorted out my problems with that lowlife nasty person Lord Hojo, things went extremely well - right up until I got crushed by the Oda.
I do have problems with the Hojo, even on Normal. I forgot how hard this game was, and how difficult it is to keep a hold of your territories without losing half your clan in 5 turns. :sweatdrop:
Unlike some of the later TW games, you have to move quickly at the beginning, to stake your claim to provinces. If you let other clans capture some of the more lucrative territories, you'll find yourself way behind in development.
The AI gets koku buffs, so you have to have exacting battlefield tactics (ie. no Pyrrhic victories) and economy of force to defeat all those stacks you see running around.
I remember many TW vets who took up the series from RTW onwards, saying much the same thing when they took up Shoggie. The STW AI can, and will kick your a$$ even on Normal setting if you play poorly.:chucks:Quote:
I forgot how hard this game was, and how difficult it is to keep a hold of your territories without losing half your clan in 5 turns
I started with Shogun in the very months when it appeared, and I knew even back then this was hard. On Expert, you really have to be some tactical mastermind to defeat the game.
15 years ago... wow. ~:eek:
Apparently, it may be possible to play MP using Hamachi and thereby turning a LAN connection into a WAN connection. I have not tested it so I cannot say for certain.
PS. Evolve might be an even better alternative than Hamachi. Not tested this either though, so... no promises.
Link for Hamachi... https://www.vpn.net/
Link for Evolve... https://www.evolvehq.com/welcome
Which literally makes it quite hard to do so, and not worth it, unless you have a group of friends to play with...
Apparently they updated it too good. At least for me it will install but not run anymore on Windows XP, despite on the Steam shoppage still claiming that it would.Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Try and see if you can purchase a non-Steam copy to help you out. :yes:
Oh, I do still have a CD version of Shogun: Warlord Edition which worked flawless while I was still using Windows 95C or later Windows 98SE. But I bought the steam version in the thought that I would no longer need to safeguard the old CD and that it would run without problems on Windows XP where the CD-version that was released when Windows XP did not yet exist, already had some problems. The funny thing is that the Steam version of Total War: Rome 2 - Emperor Edition still works on my system but the older releases of Shogun and Medieval on Steam have stopped working for whatever reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Edit: Just tested it and even Napoleon: Total War and Medieval II: Total War run without problems using Steam on my system. What did they change for Shogun and Medieval that those two refuse to run?
Edit: Strange - when I directly go to the directory of Shogun on my harddisk
M:\Steam\SteamApps\common\Total War Shogun 1 Gold
and start shogun.exe the game works perfectly. :2thumbsup:
But if I have Steam started and try to start Shogun from the Steam library as the usual way would be, do I get the error about an invalid platform... :wall:
Try and do a Verify Game Cache to see if it works like this.
That was the first thing the customerservice suggested and that I did already twice for both Shogun and Medieval.Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
No change. I can play the game when I start it directly using the .exe in the games directory but when trying to start Shogun 1 or Medieval 1 from the Steam library I get the invalid platform error. And just to mock me Napoleon and Empire work just fine from within Steam :rolleyes:
In the Steam Community I read that the refurbished Shogun 1 and Medieval 1 come with a launcher that Napoleon, Rome and Empire do not have. Perhaps that is the reason that the older two games refuse to start on Steam for me while the newer ones work...?
Winter is coming... and somehow S:TW has the best winter music of them all: :
I would argue that Shogun I has the best music...period!:bow:Quote:
and somehow S:TW has the best winter music of them all
It's still my favorite soundtrack out of all the Total War games. :2thumbsup:
It's winter... so dust off that old STW copy and get listening! :bow:
Things you might want to try:
Run ShogunM.exe/ShogunW.exe with the D command line switch to force native desktop resolution and colour depth settings.
To test this out from the run command dialogue box or from cmd:
Caveats: You'll need to set your desktop colour depth to 16 bit colour. STW (and MTW) use 16 bit colour depth and most modern windows desktops are set to "32 bit colour").Code:ShogunM.exe D
This will run the game in an "overlay" on top of the desktop.
Pros: It avoids the problematic mode switching which can crash the game.
Cons: The game runs in a smaller overlay "window" (not a window) overlaying your desktop. Edge bump rotating the battle map camera doesn't work and edge bump scrolling of the campaign map doesn't work (doesn't bother me as I've always used cursor keys anyway).
You can also try out the Windows 7/8.1/10 compatibility settings.
Since Windows 8, I believe 16 bit colour depth support for the desktop was dropped. You can run the programme in "reduced colour mode" compatibility mode. You should also run "legacy" 32 bit programmes from the Windows 98 (Win9x) era in "run as administrator" pretty much as standard on any Windows Vista/7/8/8.1/10 installations.
There is also a "run this program in compatibility mode for" option. Just select the earliest Windows version it offers or XP/2k.
Also remove/rename the intro videos.
Shogun TW is often available for sale during the Steam Sales - the Summer one just finished but the Autumn one is coming up if you want to purchase STW for less than 1 EUR / 1 USD. :yes:
Let's not forget STW is turning 20 years old next year...
Yeap.. here's a celebration thread we had 9 years prior for the 10 years of STW - it has some interesting links to the CV of the programmer of the original TW engine.. and links to STW cinematics/trailer..Quote:
Originally Posted by Xantan
Quite interesting to look over the guy's CV - he worked on MTW as well!
Yes, as well as in RTW to begin with, but they "canned" him [basically they made the game so commercial that he lost interest and left, it appeared] before its completion..Quote:
Originally Posted by Xantan
He was around here too back in the day, his nickname at the org was longjohn
It did create a massive boost for the TW platform though by going so commercial.
Yes, it did.. however the "old crowd" didn't like that very much.. the first two games aren't exactly mainstream products, and so they didn't attract exactly a mainstream audience..Quote:
Originally Posted by Xantan
There was a massive shift in community demographics and a lot of bitteness between the old and new guards of fans at the time.. you can see that in plenty old threads of that era..
I was around during that era to be honest - since I joined in 2005, RTW was in full swing / love and there was quite a marked difference between old schoolers and new schoolers. Things quieted down significantly with M2TW but the schism as you mentioned it was there.
That being said - MTW is my favourite game of all time. :smitten:
Was reading a few threads the other day about RTW2 and Attila in the TWC and, actually another schism has already happened between those that prefer the 2nd incarnation of the TW engine to the later games [Empire and afterwards that share more traits/features]Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Its really funny because its the same post type of the old timers against those that prefer the newer games..
I also got the distinct impression that their content manager over there Welsh Dragon, the way he posted pro RTW2 and Attila may actually be a CA employee of some sort.. posing for a fan so as his arguments to be heard more~;) - typical tactics companies and other organisations employ..
We had a few -in the late RTW early M2TW days- of those quasi CA employees or - who knows, perhaps actual CA employees..~:)
At some point an mp player Jason Palamedes was actually employed as QA/tester for the battle aspect of the game, he was posting around here too..
There is a significant difference because people really loved RTW and M2TW, and those who started with ETW didn't like it that much. I personally loved Napoleon TW instead, and found it a great game, but not everyone shares this opinion and the problems with R2TW made it worse.
I really liked Shogun 2 relative to RTW and M2, it was much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
I also really like R2 especially now - its very much better than RTW and M2tw - both in the campaign and the battles as far as i am concerned.
Great game for SP, Attila too.
Funnily enough, it had many suggestions that we were proposing in the STW and MTW forums here all these years.. Caravel and i and others [tosa, puzz3d, econ21 plenty of others] had written some epic suggestion posts, and it seems someone was reading.. that's good.. although i haven't received my share of the royalties yet..must be the royal post again :laugh4:
Most companies do trawl through the forums because the gamers come up with some excellent ideas.
Yeah, i should have never posted all that before talking to my lawyer ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xantan
You can always pick up the Unreal Engine (free for use!) and do your own strategy TBS game.
My time with this sort of thing is through.. others, younger and more talented than me will pick up the mantle..~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
You will need coding now regardless, so make it profitable! :bounce:
I have other sources of income..let CA make a buck too..~;)
They're raking it with Warhammer!
So they are..:yes: good for them~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
It might be worth doing it in the long term to fund the historical projects, for CA. Warhammer for the funds, then create historicals.
I was bored a couple of months ago and I fired up STW one more time on Steam, and I completed a quick campaign with Uesugi. I forgot how hard it could be at times.
Of all the TW games, Shogun had the toughest AI to defeat, IMHO. The Oda 1580 campaign, on Expert setting, has to rank in the top five all time in any TW genre for difficulty.:sweatdrop:Quote:
I forgot how hard it could be at times
It was especially hard because AFAIR it did not get extra bonuses.
Still prefer Shogun Warlord and Medieval TW 2002 over those latest entries. It just doesn't feel the same anymore.
I got the copies on Steam as soon as I had a chance. Now trying to play this again. :2thumbsup:
I remember this opening intro, but it seems that it was removed in the Steam version ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoshIg-F4fo
Also, anyone has luck launching the game in windowed mode ? Exclusive full screen doesn't work really well with my 2 monitors rig. Thanks in advance.
I hadn't been able to play Shogun ever since I switched to Windows 7. The Steam version works perfectly for me. Don't like buying games I already own, but for €2.49 I couldn't resist. Having a great time. Playing some Expert campaigns using tons of Ashigaru. Sweet. =]
Drisos! Oh wow, welcome back to the Org! :bow:
@Drisos
Welcome back, indeed!
~:wave:
Hey guys. =]
I seem to remember having more trouble winning Expert campaigns. Perhaps the long break actually made me reevaluate some bad strategies. One thing might be that I build more Ports early on, perhaps it's a good investment financially compared to improved farms in mediocre regions? Finished Sengoku Jidai campaigns for Oda, Shimazu & Takeda in no time. Think I only restarted Oda once after getting my Daimyo killed in one of the first few turns.
I wonder if it'll still work when I ditch Windows 7 for some Linux distribution, btw...
Edit: Which combination of Campaign (in Sengoku Jidai/1530/1550/1580) and Clan would be hardest to finish? Without imposing extra restrictions on myself, that is (other than not using Geisha, which I already refuse). For Sengoku Jidai, Imagawa seems hardest perhaps (no easy way to strongly expand income)? But I don't have much experience with the 1530/1550/1580 ones.
Hands down, Oda 1580 (expert setting):sweatdrop: You face a Takeda/Imagawa alliance right from the start, and within the first several turns you face off in a must-win battle against Takeda's cavalry army (mixed HC, NC, CA, and YC) and Imagawa's BFN/YS/SA's on the same battlefield. You have only Ashi and Teppo, plus whatever else you can scrape together.Quote:
Which combination of Campaign (in Sengoku Jidai/1530/1550/1580) and Clan would be hardest to finish?
I say must-win because if you lose (the onslaught typically happens in Mino, occasionally in Owari), your fledgling empire is cut in half with little hope of recruiting enough troops to carry on.
I had an AAR a long time ago of one of these campaigns, complete with screenies, but unfortunately all the screenies are gone:shame: I had to fight the aforementioned Takeda/Imagawa alliance on one side, and a Mori/Shimazu alliance on the other. Nearly every single turn there was a major battle on one side or the other....sometimes both.
The key, IMHO, is to maximize the use of musket teppo (don't waste your time with the Arquebus) to inflict maximum casualties, while you carefully marshal an offensive army to strike back. It's somewhat frustrating to fight a series of defensive battles without striking back, but I tried several different strategies and finally settled on defensive battles to bleed those alliances terribly before my counter-offensives hit back. I got lucky on the Takeda/Imagawa front because I killed both Daimyo's and all the remaining heirs in one epic battle~:eek: (Musket has a knack for killing generals)
Even if you don't use Geisha (same as me), you'd better have some highly skilled Ninja's to take care of enemy Geisha hunting your generals.
All-in-all, Oda 1580 is the most difficult, and most rewarding of all the Shogun I campaign's outside of the historical campaigns.:bow:
BTW, I did find one of my campaigns outlining strategy and describing events, but all of the screen-shots are lost:sad:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...aga-s-Ambition
While reading the replies I have realised one important aspect... Shogun Total War is now 20 years old. 20.
Twenty awesome years. ;) I also recently played Anno 1602 (released 1998) and Age of Empires II (released 2000).
Ah yeah, I posted several stories about campaigns of mine back in the day. Pretty sure all those screens are gone too, and I no longer have them. Oda 1580 sounds good, it's definitely next on the list!Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
Made a start. Restarted twice after losing Hida turn 2 or 3 (he starts with Heavy Cavalry, really? :p). Now doing very well. They waited 4-5 years to finally attack now (probably depends on the size of your armies -- I quickly turned Hida and Mino into full stacks). Hida first, then Mino (with Tokugawa). Think I did about 1800 kills vs. 800 losses. I took Kawachi, Tamba, Wakasa & Echizen from the Rebels too. Mori gave up our alliance after Takeda attacked me. Now also took Harima and Tajima from Mori. Earning lots of money from Churches. Think victory is nearly secured.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
Wondering if I would've won by just abandoning Hida and continuing the game. The income is very minor, and I guess it would just mean I would've fought twice in Mino instead of once in Hida, once in Mino.
After playing this several times, quitting Hida is what I do. Mino has much more favorable terrain for defense, and you can pick up units from rebellions in Hida.Quote:
Wondering if I would've won by just abandoning Hida and continuing the game. The income is very minor, and I guess it would just mean I would've fought twice in Mino instead of once in Hida, once in Mino
You caught a break there.....in my campaigns with Oda 1580, they come in the first four or five turns, sometimes sooner:shrug:Quote:
They waited 4-5 years to finally attack
Wow...sounds like you handled this campaign pretty easily:hail:Quote:
Think victory is nearly secured
Yes, it's probably for the best. One less region to spread your troops out to would've been welcome too. Perhaps I'll try to replay the first few years to see how stabilizing/winning vs. Takeda & Imagawa turns out when I abandon it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
I was expecting them every turn, but seems like they didn't feel like it. Now I wish I had took notes on exactly what I did, so we could compare and figure out what's causing it.
Well, turns out I was being optimistic! The campaign got quite hard (and quite interesting!). Imagawa died early on, but soon after that I was at war with all 5 remaining clans at the same time (Hojo unexpectedly invaded me in Shinano, at the same time Takeda and Uesegi jointly tried to take it). Mori and Takeda seemed hellbent on fighting me, even while they were being stabbed in the back. Now Shimazu has taken over the southern front, and he's surprisingly strong. He's won a few battles actually. My best way of dealing with the high quality No-Dachi is shooting them, but it hasn't worked out in every fight. I've retreated to Kawachi, which is impossible to take vs. my 8 units of Musketeers (his first attempt was 600 vs. 0 iirc). We fight in Harima twice a year now. I might just try and kill his bloodline as I'll have Honor 3 ninja's flowing out of Iga in 2 turns.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
Ah yes, I did that the same recently. A good ol' trip down memory lane. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
(also AoE2: Definitive Edition)
In the 1580 Tokugawa scenario, I abandon Hizen and take Owari once the Oda leave it with a small garrison--with only my nine Battlefield Ninjas! :yes: I've found that when I play the battle manually and advance them "unseen" towards the defenders, they usually run away thanks to the fear factor. I then move in a large occupation army (usually the army that was previously in Hizen). The income in Owari more than makes up for the loss of Hizen, and now I don't have to manage a split empire.
STW, with its elegant simplicity, will always be my ultimate favorite. 20 grand years, indeed; it started it all. I play MTW1 more nowadays as it's got more details to occupy my need-to-be-busy brain, but I still go back to STW now and then, and love it every time.
While MTW 1 is my favourite TW game of all time, I absolutely adore the winter-ish music in STW. A bit of a STW soundtrack and maybe a campaign or two during winter times, with snow outside, is bliss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Togakure
https://steamdb.info/app/345240/
So about the ownership numbers - between 600.000 and 720 - 750.000 people have bought STW.
20 Years later... I actually get a copy of this now classic. Been a while since I have beenh here too. Lived on MTW 1 for years + VI, then Shogun 1. After the demise of MTW on modern machines (any progress with that) I switched reluctantly to RTW and BI. Then finally to M2TW. That's been it for years and years- till now.
Welcome back to our cosy little place Tony! :bow:
2 different Youtubers started 2 different Shogun TW campaigns, a bit of inspiration for the winter that's coming up to maybe dust off that virtual copy and play S:TW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dmbQOeziOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0e1R-YOU8U
Just thought I'd pop in and mention that it works decently (at least, for me). I am currently on Ubuntu 20.04. One minor graphical bug, which is fixed by going in and out of menu. Sound/music does some weird things when you Alt-Tab. And the movies aren't loading properly it seems. Perhaps there's some fix for that but I haven't bothered to try. All in all very playable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
A remastered version would be the most moddable TW game and the only TW game that wouldn't crash.
Judging by the fact that we're going forward with Pharaoh TW, a remastered STW is probably not going to happen. It's been 22 years since then. RTW was far more popular, and it was 3D, making it easier to remaster.
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Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Maybe the original MTW1 has better chances to be remastered at some point? It's more popular and it sold more than STW, at least. What do you think the odds are be in comparison to STW? Are the odds really the same as STW or maybe a little higher?
https://steamcharts.com/app/345240
Remarkably, there's about 80 - 120 players playing S:TW each month on Steam. Even after 22 years :)
https://www.ign.com/articles/1999/02...the-art-of-war
February 1999 article, highlighting that Shogun was under development. Essentially announcing the game. 25 years ago.
Shogun TW would launch a year later, in June 2000.
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Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Hi, edyz. With all my respect.. I disagree with your assertions, here's why:
1) The age of the game doesn't preclude a remaster.. There are hips of +20 year old games that got this kind of treatment recently: Tomb Raider 1,2 and 3, Age of Empires, Age of Mythology, Stronghold, Star wars Dark Forces, Baldur's Gate, Neighbors from Hell,System Shock, Final Fantasy 1-6, Final Fantasy 7, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro.. Even the 27 years old Argonaut's Croc Legend of the Gobbos is getting an HD remaster. Why would then STW and MTW not be getting the same treatment? There is no point in what you've said. Also, not all of those are more popular than STW and MTW, some are less and still got a remaster so the level of popularity is not an issue since STW and MTW are too iconic and important to be left in the dust.
2) The fact that they are going forward with WH3 and Pharaoh doesn't mean anything. They can produce new games while still paying Feral Interactive (the studio that made Rome Remaster and mobile and Med2 mobile) to make a low cost remaster of STW, MTW and MTW2. Remasters don't preclude the production of newer sequels, and Feral is responsable for remasters and ports, not CA itself. So even this argument is flawed.
3) RTW is 3D, but the fact that STW and MTW are 2D is actually a plus because it is easier and cheaper to update 2D games than 3D games. Risks are lower and costs are less than a half of what it costed to them to make RR. Tons of 2D games are getting remastered... Being 2D doesn't preclude a refresh at all, quite on the contrary. See Stronghold, Command and Conquer and AoE remasters and you'll get what I mean.
4) Remasters are an easy cashgrab and CA loves money, thus a remaster of MTW and STW would generate enough money to make them satisfied... Also, both games are struggling with compatibility issues so remasters will be more needed more and more as time passes. The demand for them is slowly increasing. Also, remasters are becoming a trend in the gaming industry nowadays, which reinforce my hypothesis further. Easy money made on nostalgia.
5) I've found a leak by Volound on Reddit that points towards these remasters being a likely outcome for the future. I can send it to you, if you wish?
That being said, I hope I was clear with my counter-arguments.
Here's the leak I've mentioned above, read it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Volound/com...me_remastered/
Best regards! Let me know your thoughts.
This is a discussion to be had, clearly, and it's one that concerns a lot of existing Total War historical players who do not play the Warhammer saga. Pharaoh TW is not a fully fledged historical game, it's a Saga title, akin to Thronnes of Britannia.
That being said, the issues in CA recently (past 6 months) have caused some significant changes to the roadmap I presume. I stick to my initial assertion, we will not get a Shogun or a Medieval 1 remaster, at least any time soon. Remastering RTW was easier to do because of 3D gameplay, remastering MTW / STW is a 2D game and that will have it's own set of challenges. STW is 25 years old, MTW is 22 years old. It used to be easier to update 2D games, not any more, because 2D games are not that common any more and you are working with legacy software.