i was playin campain mode and i was the danes and all of a sudden the golden watever they r called came and killed all my men who r they and where did they come form
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i was playin campain mode and i was the danes and all of a sudden the golden watever they r called came and killed all my men who r they and where did they come form
Between 1230 - 40, the Golden Horde appears; a bunch of cavalry stacks. They first appear in the Khazar? territory; if you have a couple armies with a very good general, they're typically not hard to beat if you fight them in woods.
where did they come from
Central Asia, generally, just to the right of where the MTW map ends. In the 1200's they began expanding into eastern Europe (Khazar, Georgia, Armenia area on our map). There were LOTS of 'em, hence the HOARDE designation. In the game, they're tough, but beatable...and will reappear a couple times.
hehe.. nice suprise the golden horde can be... it got me when i frst played, only cause i wasnt expecting it
yep the golden horde is cool, especially if you dont get in their way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
king, think Genghis Kahn and Kublai(sp?) Kahn when thinking of the Golden Horde.
Be careful.
They normally appear in Khazar first and the zone north of it. They can appear in Armenia as well. A rather nasty surprise I got while playing the turks.
If you set up for them and get a decent army together to deal with them, you should be ok. They are not a pushover; don't expect to run over them like peasants http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
If you read Marco Polo's (he does make an appearance in the game) book, The Travels it talks about Kublai Khan and his Golden Horde Mongols. It was written in the 13th century so its kind of wierd to read, but he talks about the Khan's GIGANTIC palace, immense empire, huge armies, and his 1200+ virgin lovers. In general, being a Mongol back in those days was good livin.
By the way, if you didn't already know, Marco Polo was an Italian explorer who traveled across Asia in search of...well, lots of things.
Zauba,
At least that's true if you are the king. I imagine it still sucked to be a footsoldier. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
Yes, do not underestimate the Horde. On harder levels it will roll over your soldiers easier that you think...
I find it easier to wait until the high quality cavalry of the Great Horde wears down a little, and then return. But I have only once occupied Eastern Europe when they showed up, and let me tell you, that was a massacre for my poor troops...
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is there n e other factions that pop up
Well, i don't think so. But one time i hovered my arrow over one of the rebel stacks and the name plate came up and said they were the Knights Who Say Nih
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Im playing as the danes right now. I let the byz, hungarians and turks keep them occupied while I concentrated on the spanish, Italians and almos. By the time I got there they only had one territory and were easy to squash. Spooky though when they take your teritory with 20k cavs all you can do is burn your buildings and retreat regroup and kick their butts.
Yes the golden horde is really intimidating post patch yet still somewhat manageable. Their main weakness in my games has been the lack of good infantry and weak generals.
Another faction appears in the late period, but I don't want to spoil it for you.
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the golden horse are fagets they r soeasy to beat
Easy to beat, but not when you are dealing with a civil war, two factions reappearing, a war with the Almohads and Novgord(at least i think that is the spelling), all at the same time. And that is the story of the first campaign I tried.
erm... What faction would this be???Quote:
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I have beaten the game, twice, and I didnt see any other new factions other than the golden horde...
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Wrong Being a mongol means you dont get taxed, compare it to your present life without tax, no more filling out the income tax return form, no more IRS, and best of all more money to spend http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif. So basically you are still better off than most of the world.Quote:
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Live in a tent in the desert and not be taxed...or live in what was considered the center of culture, and be taxed...decisions, decisions...
Anyways, a new faction does appear; but its fairly weak. Very useful units though.
Welcome and hello Nikita. That's the way to wade right in Easy is such a relative term.
I'm as curious as [alex] about this other mystery faction, though I'm only less than halfway through my first campaign. I don't recall seeing anyone mentioning another walk-on faction around these parts. Yikes, that sounds like something out of the Old West...
Seeing this is the only place around the place, I recon this is the place. I recon.
- Curly, The Three Stooges http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
When Ghengis Kahn styled himself as The Emporer of Mankind {the specie , not the wrestler} he meant it
He is the only serious competition for Alexander the Great in the Greatest Conqueror in Recorded Human History competition {though there were other contenders , they fall short in the semi-finals} .
The only failing of the horde in the game will be the AI managment of it ... in the hands of an expert , say Magyarkahn , that army would be almost unstopable {like it was in real life : they only stopped when the Kahn at the time drank himself to death} . Try bribing a stack of the best quality after you have reduced them to rebels , their units are actually quite good {especially their horse archers} .
See the stats at the Total War Academy .
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yes, but what is the name of this mysterious faction?????
so, you said they come in the late period??, I'v went throught the Late txt file, this is my results:
FN_ALMOHAD MUSLIM_CULTURE
FN_BYZANTINE ORTHODOX_CULTURE
FN_DANISH CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_EGYPTIAN MUSLIM_CULTURE
FN_ENGLISH CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_FRENCH CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_GERMAN_HRE CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_ITALIAN CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_POLISH CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_RUSSIAN ORTHODOX_CULTURE
FN_SPANISH CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_TURKISH MUSLIM_CULTURE
FN_ARAGONESE CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_BURGUNDIAN CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_GOLDEN_HORDE PAGAN_CULTURE
FN_HUNGARIAN CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_NOVGOROD ORTHODOX_CULTURE
FN_PAPIST CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_SICILIAN CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_SWISS CATHOLIC_CULTURE
as you see, no mysterious faction here....
Maybe you meant the High period?
well, I checked the hight txt file, and no result there either:
FN_ALMOHAD MUSLIM_CULTURE
FN_BYZANTINE ORTHODOX_CULTURE
FN_DANISH CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_EGYPTIAN MUSLIM_CULTURE
FN_ENGLISH CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_FRENCH CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_GERMAN_HRE CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_ITALIAN CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_POLISH CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_RUSSIAN ORTHODOX_CULTURE
FN_SPANISH CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_TURKISH MUSLIM_CULTURE
FN_ARAGONESE CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_BURGUNDIAN CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_GOLDEN_HORDE PAGAN_CULTURE
FN_HUNGARIAN CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_NOVGOROD ORTHODOX_CULTURE
FN_PAPIST CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_SICILIAN CATHOLIC_CULTURE
FN_SWISS CATHOLIC_CULTURE
as far as I can see, the only unexpected faction is the golden horde.... so maybe you can reveal the name of the other faction now?
I dont remember the Burgundians on the list during campaign choosing. Maybe Im wrong, but this is very interesting to me as well. Though mainly because I'll never get that late into the game, old fear of gunpowder makes me stomp people early heh. Dam civilization game.
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Both the Swiss and the Burgunians appear later in the game. I'm playing a game as egyptians, around 1300, the golden horde are long gone and the swiss are currently tearing apart the HRE. I think i read in another post that burgundy only appears when ur playing the HRE.
Ghregoshi is about the burgudians and the swiss ( last one i'm not sure that apperar in high )
LOL...the golden smthin
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Thanks Vlad. I can't believe hadn't heard of this before. Alas, my SP HRE campaign is currently moving along at real time. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/frown.gif
To get back on the subject of golden horde. I'm using the 1453 fix and it's some were in the 1700's now and the golden horde controls everything from israel up to germany and downto the top of italy. west of them am I and that is it. My game is ruined now as there are almost no factions left except me, the horde, italy, byzi, germans and egypte with just 1 province.
I get myself a 4 star assasin or 2 and leave them in the region so when the mongols attack I take out the khan, and the rebels are easily fought or bribed. Its sweet
The mongols got all the way to austria didnt they, I am probably wrong but I remember reading something about mongols and vienna??????
You guys should try playing them its pretty challenging due to lack of tech and infantry, but Golden Horde archers are best cav archesr in the game. By the way if you are curious about The Mongols go buy Genghis Khan: Conqueror of the World by Leo De Hartog. It covers Mongol history up to the death of Guyuk which is about 85% of Mongol Empire history. Its the best book on The Mongols I have ever read and I've read many. I haven't found a good book on Mongol history post-Guyuk yet though.
[alex], whatever you read in this file, there is a faction appearing in late period, believe me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
After read all your posts i don't know if you've noticed the bug in mongol generals images that i've noticed in the strategic part of the game. My version of the game is the spanish version, and i don't know if this bug affects only my version of the game. Have you noticed this bug in your versions or the images are ok?. The mongols have the image of a christian general instead of a pagan general in 1230 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/pissed.gif
LOL Zauba'a http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gifQuote:
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Bring on the holy handgranade
Strangelove: Gentlemen You can't fight inhere This is the War Room
Playing a post-patch Italian Hard campaign, the Byzzies had the eastern 1/3rd of the map sewn up until the Hoarde came thru and tore them up. By the time the Hoarde was done with 'em, the Byzzies were lucky to hold on to the 5 or so provinces they retreated to. Lucky for the Byzzies the Hungarians got the attention of the Hoarde. Needless to say, the Byzzies didn't think the Hoarde was a cakewalk http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
The Golden Horde are Mongols originating from the northern plain Steppes of China. In modern history the area is referred to as Mongolia.
They developed a horse culture and the greatest bow ever devised; and were expert horsemen and incredible bowmen from horseback. They are often referred to as The Hun
The Great Wall of China was built primarily as a defense against them (the original barbarians). The wall finally become so successful, as a defense, that it caused the Hun to look West for easier conquest. Eventually, they circumvented the wall by subterfuge, conquered China and Kublai Khan was installed as Emporer of China.
The Hun fought primarily from horseback and in large numbers. Usually, they would offer their foe, the opportunity to surrender, in which case they would be leniet conquerers. If a foe did not surrender, no one, including women and babies was spared. They were totally ruthless and were considered a scourge. Their success caused a great fear and panic throughout Europe.
[There's some little ditty, that refers to them, Europeans use(d) to frighten their children into obdience) but I can't remember. Is it the Boogey Man??]
Only the death of their leader Ghangis Khan (i believe that's the correct Khan) back in their home lands, caused most of them to turn and return to the Steppes. Sparing the rest of Europe.
Those that remained mostly settled in an area of Europe that resembled the plain steppes of their origin. That area came to be called Hungary
Often, the dark hair, short stature and asiatic features found in some Europeans can be traced to the Hun gene implanted by rape, pillage and plunder. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
Historically, the Hun represented one of the two great threats to European culture, the other being the Moslems. In each case Eastern Europeans bore the brunt of the invaisions.
Beware of the Hun
Hi ToranagaSama, thanks for the round up, but I think you are confounding the Mongols and the Huns. An easy mistake as they both came from the same part of the world and both fought with China. However the Huns and the Mongols are separated by about 800 years. Apart from that they behaved in a very similiar manner.
The Huns appeared in the mid AD 300's. Remember Attila the Hun?
What's up, DeathFromAbove? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif Welcome to the Org. The Mongol images glitch has been noted before. I recall there were inquiries about how to change them, but I don't remember if anyone found a solution.
And better late than never, a big Org welcome goes out to y2kBug. Sorry, the cake is a bit stale and the soda is flat, but we were expecting you two years ago. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Yes, i reported that bug. I don't know today if is there any way to correct it. I tried configuration files (text files), but i think that this part of the data is hardcoded (i'm not sure). Maybe Gil could confirm this suposition...Quote:
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Thanks Sorry I'm late, shipwright construction was delayed by a temporary florin crisis...Quote:
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http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif I know what you mean, but in my case, would you consider 100 years temporary?Quote:
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