HELP US NAME THESE NEW FORUMS

we are restructuring the Dungeon,
adding new cells for all the new prisoners and slaves,
new chains and shackles for the current crop of prisoners,
and cleaning things up a little bit, the pile of bones in the corner over there was getting a little extreme... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

This is what the three edit forums will be used for,

Edit One
Main Dungeon Forum
- for the mods currently in progress,
general questions and general chatter,

Edit Two
Secondary Dungeon Forum
- For all FAQ's and How-To's,
and where questions, once answered will be moved to,

Edit Three
basically an archive of old stuff,
the junk and clutter,
Old Stale Mods,
Closed thread's that have been combined into another,
ie,
some of the FAQ threads are closed and the information in them has been copied into a "collated" topic, those will be moved to edit3,
and where old general chatter will be moved

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Now we need to name them

Edit One - proposed name,
Engineer's Guild - (mods in progress and Q's)

Edit Two - proposed name,
Engineer's Academy - (for the How-To's and FAQ's)

Edit Three - proposed name,
Engineer's NoteBook - (for storage purposes, old/stale mods, old news)

Comments??

First comment: I like this. The way the org patrons are getting more paticipation.

Second. Suggestions:

Ermm http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/shock.gif none at the moment. Yours sound good though. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif

I think we should expand on them a bit though.
Otherwise it sounds bit too linear ?

I think you should keep the dungeon theme, simply because people are used to it an current posts refer to it.

In keeping with this, I suggest the thrid forum, the junk forum, be named The Oubliette. Not exactly the frightening wit we've come to expect from the giant death lizard of tokyo, but it does make sense, when you think about it.

EEUURAAH.

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Quote[/b] (SeljukSinan @ Aug. 16 2003,17:56)]I think we should expand on them a bit though.
Otherwise it sounds bit too linear ?

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um, not sure if i understand 100%,
suggestions?

brain storm a few, doesn't matter how silly they sound,
they might spark an idea and send someone else off on a tangent which leads to excellent names

what about,
Interrogation, (edit1)
Torture Chamber, (edit2)
The Pit of Despair... (edit3)

Damn, you beat me to "Torture Chamber" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/angry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

'Interrogation" sounds great for the first one.

How about "Holding cell" for the second one? Or "Solitary Confinement" or as you as mentioned "Torture Chamber"

For the third one I suggest "Bottomless Abyss" or "Bone Room"
or "Bone Pit" or "Grave yard" or "Skeleton Closet" etc... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

How about:

The Rack - self explanatory

The Box - jailspeak for solitary confinement,think Papillon

The Bone Yard - where old ideas end up,think Cool Hand Luke




Ask a Corrections Officer about Dungeons. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/shock.gif

Well Abyss is cool, Torture Chamber as well

Although modding may be painfull sometimes, I think the different the some names are a bit off. This section of the forums isn't about torturing, it's more about engineering, inventing. The Oubliette however sounds very characterfull and fitting, but is probably an unknown term by many.
I also thought about the dungeon as a place, deep down the castle, where the Medieval counterparts of geeks and nerds are discussing ways to change the layout of land, plans to overthrow the entire world and perhaps test out the brand new Super Knight 2000.
Names I was thinking about:
The Engineers Guild
The Oubliette
The Toilet where all good ideas are made http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

Oh and is it perhaps possible to make these 3 forums accesible from the main forum page. At the moment it's not so accessible. If the story writers get 2 forums accessible from the main page, then surely we would get 3 forums right http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

In my opinion these changes are counterproductive and are probably going to drop the amount of message posting. As a sysop of a BBS I can tell you that nothing destroys message posting quicker than too many topics. I have learned the hard way that less is more. Additionally people get a 'comfort' level in navigating and they don't adapt well.

I can imagine that some of you are rubbing your hands with glee at the prospect of starting an argument or flame over this. I am not going to debate this with anyone. I am just sharing my experience. Kindly respect it.

I like The Dungeon for the main, how about "The Catacombs" for edit 2 and, and "The Keep" for the archives edit 3 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif LOS

How about the Armory, black smith?

About the second forum with the FAQs and how-to's. Is it for us not possible to post there? If we are I suspect that alot of questions will be posted there since new people don't understand a FAQ and will post a question in the FAQ's thread (which they should).
And probably some people will ask how to edit their mod in regards to some FAQ or how-to and we will end with two different forums that have more or less the some content which will only add to confusion instead of clearing it.

The third forum seems a bit useless to me. Old mods and threads move to page 20, why make a seperate forum for them?

I would rather see a third forum that deals with finished mods where non-modders can safely venture without being scared by the Star-Trek talk of modders. In this forum there will be topics in which mods are "advertised" with screenshots, links to download, FAQ, installation guide, etc. Hopefully more people will then dare to install a mod since it might seem a bit frightening to some.

Cheers, Duke John

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Quote[/b] (Duke John @ Aug. 17 2003,13:30)]About the second forum with the FAQs and how-to's. Is it for us not possible to post there? If we are I suspect that alot of questions will be posted there since new people don't understand a FAQ and will post a question in the FAQ's thread (which they should).
And probably some people will ask how to edit their mod in regards to some FAQ or how-to and we will end with two different forums that have more or less the some content which will only add to confusion instead of clearing it.

The third forum seems a bit useless to me. Old mods and threads move to page 20, why make a seperate forum for them?

I would rather see a third forum that deals with finished mods where non-modders can safely venture without being scared by the Star-Trek talk of modders. In this forum there will be topics in which mods are "advertised" with screenshots, links to download, FAQ, installation guide, etc. Hopefully more people will then dare to install a mod since it might seem a bit frightening to some.

Cheers, Duke John

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no patron posting into edit2 (FAQ?)
an interesting idea,
but i think we'll allow it for the moment, if you are correct and it gets out of hand we will restrict it,

for now the idea is

edit1 is where you ask and answer Q's, advertise mods, explain discoveries, etc.

edit2 is where we keep all the answered questions, how-to's and faq's,
it should eventually make searching for a scrap of data easier, reduce redundant/duplicate returns on a search,
PLUS, edit2 gives us somewhere else to pin stickies,

edit3 is is where the moderatos move any really old posts that "may" contain usefull stuff, then we edit them and feed them back into edit2, we have 1100 topics spanning 32 pages, about 80% can probably be deleted as redundant.
plus we can sticky older mods in edit3, advertising them if you will..


Ideally I'd love to have the time to take the FAQ and all the Q&A's and "translate" them all to html pages,
but thats the kicker, i don't have the time, i have done some but real life is kinda busy lately...
If anyone wants to volunteer i can send them a master html file and instructions, but 90% of the work is cut and pasting.

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Quote[/b] ]Ideally I'd love to have the time to take the FAQ and all the Q&A's and "translate" them all to html pages,
but thats the kicker, i don't have the time, i have done some but real life is kinda busy lately...
If anyone wants to volunteer i can send them a master html file and instructions, but 90% of the work is cut and pasting.

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I would volunteer to help, The Dungeon is like my second home http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif so anything to help with the remodeling, again the Names I suggest are as follows The Main should stay The Dungeonthen we go down a level to The Catacombsand for the archival section The Keep while not sub terranean it still conjures up dark, dreary, creepy images http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif just my 2 cents http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

I thought the theme of the Dungeon was wizards working in the basement, or some-such.

I was thinking 1)Alchemist Lab, 2)Library or Repository, and 3)Basement or Storehouse.

if anyone else has any ideas please post them now,
this will be going to a vote soon,

cheers,
Barocca

Edit One - Current Projects

Edit Two - Instruction

Edit Three - Archives

Inventive eh? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif Seriously only the Edit Three thing is worth looking at there... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif

well I have a couple names if you are interested

edit 1

moding, mods, and general questions.
Got a question on how to mod or moding, ask it here.

Edit 2

FAQ's and usefull tid bits.
were common or important questions are kept and asked.

Edit 3

dated mod's and old threads
were mods and dated or closed threads are kept.

these are just my suggestions, short and strait forword, you cant realy get the names confused for what they arn't, some ppl might not know what "The Oubliette" means =} hope what I have said helps

but personaly what I would have done is just made two forums, kept the main dungeon thread and what it basicly is, and sence there are a lot of pin-up's {which is why I assume you wanted to make more forums not sure though} I would have just made a seperate forum for the pin-up's instead of breaking it into three catarorys, moding is realy its own catagory and seems like it is a little hard to break it down into smaller forums. just my .02 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif

I'ld personally guess that 2 forums would suffice at the moment.

Edit 1 running business and old topics.
Edit 2 stickies and important/informative insights/faqs/guides/reads (so it's a library in the largest sense).

But anything that works for you is fine with me.

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Quote[/b] (TosaInu @ Aug. 28 2003,06:00)]I'ld personally guess that 2 forums would suffice at the moment.

Edit 1 running business and old topics.
Edit 2 stickies and important/informative insights/faqs/guides/reads (so it's a library in the largest sense).

But anything that works for you is fine with me.

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Why not reverse those two. The usual human inclination is to start at the top, so if all the FAQs and HOWTOs are in the first forum, they are more likely to be seen, read and possibly reduce the noise in the second forum.

Quoting TosaInu
Edit 1 stickies and important/informative insights/faqs/guides/reads (so it's a library in the largest sense).
Edit 2 running business and old topics.

Makes sense to me. Shall we make it that way then?

Please make is that way, name the forums, Edit 1...is driving me crazy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Lancer
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Yeah, I agree, just name the forum with whatever you have decided. Also, is it possible to incorperate the Dungeon's sub forums into the "drop down" list at the bottom of the forum's template? Its a little out of the way to have to return to the Guild's index, then the Dungeon, then edit1...

Just a thought http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif

Konnichiwa Martyr san,

Good thought.

These forums are already in the Forum Jump at the bottom (scroll down the entire list).

But another Forum Jump has been added too, you may like it: go to your control panel and select the LiteSkin in account option (update). You'll then see a Forum Jump for the Dungeon subforums on the mainpage. I'll apply this extra dropdown list to other skins if it's considered a good feature. Those are one ways though.

There's yet another way, available in every skin. You don't have to return to the Guild Index, but you can also enter the Dungeon Index (see the 'grey' Navigation Bar at the top please).

How about calling them Early, Middle and Late (ass per the startpos files) - which has some discernable connection to MTW modding

Edit1 = Early = the current posts
Edit2 = Middle = FAQ's, Guides, other 'important' information
Edit3 = Late = other posts that should be retained for posterity

Just a thought.

Welly

My 2 florins/100...

Edit1 = The Cellars (discussion and questions about modding)
Edit2 = The Library (modding FAQs and How-To)
Edit3 = The Crypt (old and scary stuff)

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Quote[/b] (TosaInu @ Sep. 13 2003,10:40)]Konnichiwa Martyr san,

Good thought.

These forums are already in the Forum Jump at the bottom (scroll down the entire list).

But another Forum Jump has been added too, you may like it: go to your control panel and select the LiteSkin in account option (update). You'll then see a Forum Jump for the Dungeon subforums on the mainpage. I'll apply this extra dropdown list to other skins if it's considered a good feature. Those are one ways though.

There's yet another way, available in every skin. You don't have to return to the Guild Index, but you can also enter the Dungeon Index (see the 'grey' Navigation Bar at the top please).

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i like the drop box,

please enable it for the other skins,

please rename the drop box text to simply
"Forums in this Category"

:-)

LK is on holidays, i'll contact Shand and LK and see where they would like to go with the names.
I would rather we vote on the suggestions made,
B.

Although the names are not set in stone, why don't you put up their provisional titles? They are much better than Edit 1, Edit2 and Edit3, aren't they?

Yea I think we should start voting on the options we have. Let's do this:

-give it one more week for people to think of suggestions for names
-then start voting

ok ?

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The topic has been here about a month why wait another week lets put the names submitted thus far to a vote now LOS

Sounds like a plan. We can always change the names later, IF people don't like them.

I agree.

Stop f*****g about guys and just give them names. Anything is better than Edit1/Edit2/Edit3.

If your looking for democratic input for such a basic decision then you may well wait longer than it takes Iraq to achieve the same principles.

Just do it.

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Hi Welly,
seems Tosa is lurking about somewhere,
no sooner did you post that than the names got changed to temporary ones,
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we promise to have the new names selected before the end of 2004 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
B.

LOL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

Nice Job. Names sound fine to me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

I would like to propose that Edit 1 be called The Panopticon. Here's a refresher on the term:

"Bentham's Panopticon is the architectural figure of this composition. We know the principle on which it was based: at the periphery, an annular building; at the centre, a tower; this tower is pierced with wide windows that open onto the inner side of the ring; the peripheric building is divided into cells, each of which extends the whole width of the building; they have two windows, one on the inside, corresponding to the windows of the tower; the other, on the outside, allows the light to cross the cell from one end to the other. All that is needed, then, is to place a supervisor in a central tower and to shut up in each cell a madman, a patient, a condemned man, a worker or a schoolboy. By the effect of backlighting, one can observe from the tower, standing out precisely against the light, the small captive shadows in the cells of the periphery. They are like so many cages, so many small theatres, in which each actor is alone, perfectly individualized and constantly visible. The panoptic mechanism arranges spatial unities that make it possible to see constantly and to recognize immediately. In short, it reverses the principle of the dungeon; or rather of its three functions - to enclose, to deprive of light and to hide - it preserves only the first and eliminates the other two. Full lighting and the eye of a supervisor capture better than darkness, which ultimately protected. Visibility is a trap."

Edit 2 might be called Babel, and this is from "The Library of Babel" by Jorge Luis Borges:

"The universe (which others call the Library) is composed of an indefinite and perhaps infinite number of hexagonal galleries, with vast air shafts between, surrounded by very low railings. From any of the hexagons one can see, interminably, the upper and lower floors. The distribution of the galleries is invariable. Twenty shelves, five long shelves per side, cover all the sides except two; their height, which is the distance from floor to ceiling, scarcely exceeds that of a normal bookcase. One of the free sides leads to a narrow hallway which opens onto another gallery, identical to the first and to all the rest. To the left and right of the hallway there are two very small closets. In the first, one may sleep standing up; in the other, satisfy one's fecal necessities. Also through here passes a spiral stairway, which sinks abysmally and soars upwards to remote distances. In the hallway there is a mirror which faithfully duplicates all appearances. Men usually infer from this mirror that the Library is not infinite (if it were, why this illusory duplication?); I prefer to dream that its polished surfaces represent and promise the infinite ... Light is provided by some spherical fruit which bear the name of lamps. There are two, transversally placed, in each hexagon. The light they emit is insufficient, incessant."


For Edit 3, Tartarus is a possibility, and here's a fair depiction of that realm:

"Tartarus is the lowest region of the world, as far below earth as earth is from heaven. According to the Greek poet Hesiod, a bronze anvil falling from heaven would take nine days and nights to reach earth, and an object would take the same amount of time to fall from earth into Tartarus. Tartarus is described as a dank, gloomy pit, surrounded by a wall of bronze, and beyond that a three-fold layer of night. Along with Chaos, Earth, and Eros, it is one of the first entities to exist in the universe.
While Hades is the main realm of the dead in Greek mythology, Tartarus also contains a number of characters. In early stories, it is primarily the prison for defeated gods; the Titans were condemned to Tartarus after losing their battle against the Olympian gods, and the hecatoncheires stood over them as guards at the bronze gates. When Zeus overcomes the monster Typhus, born from Tartarus and Gaia, he hurls it too into the same abyss.

However, in later myths Tartarus becomes a place of punishment for sinners. It resembles Hell and is the opposite of Elysium, the afterlife for the blessed. When the hero Aeneas visits the underworld, he looks into Tartarus and sees the torments inflicted on characters such as the Titans, Tityos, Otus and Ephialtes, and the Lapiths. Rhadymanthus (and, in some versions, his brother Minos) judges the dead and assigns punishment."



GdC

i'd like to thanks everyone for contributing to this topic,
i do hope we are all happy with the names chosen,
sorry about not calling a vote, but hey - we probably would have never got around to tallying the results anyway
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B.