Hello everone I am 10 years old. Have played many viking multi player games against my dad. He plays as the welsh and I am the mercians. He wins all the time. Could you please give me some advice on how to beat him? Any advice will do. ~:confused:
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Hello everone I am 10 years old. Have played many viking multi player games against my dad. He plays as the welsh and I am the mercians. He wins all the time. Could you please give me some advice on how to beat him? Any advice will do. ~:confused:
Read some of these guides
Describe an average battle - or the most recent. Describe his battle plans and yours and we'll be able to help you beat your dad. ~:)
Of course the help given won't be much good if Dad looks at peoples' suggestions - so I won't look at this thread again. Well, I might if LB starts to beat me regularly ~:). She has plenty of time to practice because we can't play again until my laptop comes back in September.
Do as Colovion said;
Perhaps you can tell us which troops he mostly uses as well;
... I suspected that her dad is one of the .org, ~:p good worke Duke ~;)
Cheers
OA
laugh, this is hilarious ! ~D
Duke, you should play fair with your girl: the ratio of money for troops should be proportionate with the ratio of your ages...otherwise it's not fair at all ~:thumb:
I vote this as the Number One Subject Title That Can Be Taken Out Of Context. :tomato:Quote:
Originally Posted by lisabeanie
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Originally Posted by kekvitirae
First take a baseball bat ................
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Of course the help given won't be much good if Dad looks at peoples' suggestions - so I won't look at this thread again. Well, I might if LB starts to beat me regularly . She has plenty of time to practice because we can't play again until my laptop comes back in September.
Meanie meanie meanie. Please LB do'nt win too many or I'm in trouble
Well first off do you have anything you can blackmail him with (Be careful though you may get the secret blackmailer vice)
get with your mom and have her call him into the kitchen saying it is very important. at that time start making piecemeal of his troops. (beware you may get a family favorites vice)
If your mom wo'nt agree to this spend endless hours practicing until you can finally outwit him and send him fleeing off the battlefield. (warning this is an automatic secret pride vice wich if revealed will have penalties)
Or you can just wait until he is senile and take advantage of his weaknesses then(but you will more than likely get the procastinator vice)
And if all else fails Go into the stats files and make peasants uber strong there attack 10 defense 10 and a charge value of 20 and also make the price of all elite units 3 times the amount. Make sur you buy all peasants and see who laughs last. (you will be awarded a master of numbers vice but this is actually good)
Well enough of the jokes, is your dad treating you like a time commanders contestant (leaving you in the dark) or is he teaching you about flanking maneuvers and what units you should send after other units and wich units you should try to avoid with certain units. Well hopefully your dad will start giving you some good advice and good luck
Welcome Lisabeanie ~:wave: ,
I will do my best to help you.
First thing though is to know what you are using and what your dad is using.
Second at the end of the battle when you see what won and lost list how many kills each unit got. Then compare that with how much you paid for that unit.
If you are paying lots of money then they should be getting lots of kills.
That is very basic advice.
Now for the real useful advice.
1) How do you like to fight? Make an army around that. [*] If you like to sit still then use lots of spearmen, archers and a few swordsmen/militia and a couple of cavalry.[*] If you like to attack then do the opposite... no archers, a couple of spearmen and lots of swordsmen, militia and cavalry.
2) If the problem is that all your units are running away... get braver units.[*] Go for valour upgrades.[*] Larger units that are not militia[*] Higher armour... units that take a bit to kill don't run fast... if a unit is losing lots of people quickly they get very frightened. On the other hand knights :knight: die slowly and are very brave against everything except spearmen.
3) Paper-Scissors-Stone
MTW is a bit like that.
Spearmen beat Cavalry
Cavalry beat Archers one unit to one.
Cavalrt beat Swords one man to one (ie 20 knights will beat 20 swordsmen).
Swords beat Spearmen
Archers beat militia.
Militia beat heavily armoured enemies... combine militia with spearmen to beat knights.
4) How powerful are your enemy?
When you look at the enemy unit see how many of the small triangle flags they have. Each one equals one valour... so if you see a sword unit with four triangle flags (pennants) then it has four valour.
5) Keep your general alive as long as possible.
6) Most of important have fun!
He normally starts with 5000 florins and I have 10000.He uses about 4 units of armoured spearmen, :knight: 4 units of welsh bandits :knight: and 4 units of Celtic warriors :knight:. He normally sets up his spearmen in a line the welsh bandits behind them and then on the flanks his Celtic warriors. He starts by pinning :charge: me with the spearmen and then he flanks me with the Celtic warriors. This is annoying because it happens every time to me and I don’t have a strategy. Thanks for all your solutions.
Lisabeanie ~:thumb:
~D ~:) ~:cool: He will be so scared his grey hair will shoot up :scared: ~:wave: lisabeanie
Like the use of smilies ~:)
Well swords and militia beat spears.
Also it sounds like he is using only twelve units. And no cavalry.
So you need to get 12 units of swordsmen and militia and another 4 units of cavalry.
First attack his spearmen with one unit each of swordsmen.
Attack his celtic warriors on one flank with 4 sword/militia and set them to hold formation.
On the other flank attack his celtic warriors with 8 sword/militia.
Once you have finished the celtic warriors march against the rear of the nearest enemy.
With your cavalry keep them far away from the battle until all dad's spearmen and celtic warriors are fighting then charge :charge: the welsh bandits. Hopefully they will run... once your swordsmen finish the celts they can help your cavalry.
May not work but it may give your dad a few more grey hairs :scared:
I think I have got it going but I will have to wait until October time to find out. I hope it works !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for all your help ~:joker: ~D ~:thumb: ~:wave:
Try using the following setup:
4 units of Mounted Nobles, one of whom should be your general
2 units of archers,
6 units of Saxon Huscarles,
4 units of Armoured Spearmen.
Use the money you have left over to improve the valour and armour rating of your Saxon huscarles.
When the battle begins, divide your cavalry into two groups and send them to the sides of your father's army. Make sure you keep them out of arrow range.
Send in your archers a bit ahead of your armoured spearmen and saxon huscarls. The archers won't do much damage, but they will draw the fire of the Welsh bandits.
Divide your huscarles and armoured spearmen into three groups and order one group to attack your father's armoured spearmen and order the other two groups to attack your father's two groups of celtic warriors. Make sure that you order all your huscarls and armoured spearmen to hold formation.
When the battle begins, you will take high casualties from the Welsh bandits. Don't panic, this will soon change.
When your armoured spearmen and saxon huscarles reach your father's units, he will not be able to outflank you because all his units will be busy. Your saxon huscarles will soon cut their way through your father's celtic warriors and armoured spearmen.
When the hand-to-hand fighting begins, order your mounted nobles to charge into the side of your father's army. They will soon rout the celtic warriors and Welsh bandits.
Sit back and watch your father's entire army run away
Huscarles in Hold Formation would take all the bite out of them! Surely Engage At Will will allow more of them to get into melee and provide better attack, so they kill faster?
When I use Saxon huscarles, I tend to get better results when I tell them to hold formation, in imitation of the English Shield Wall tactic. I think it's because getting them to form a shield wall makes them a lot less vunerable defensively.
Either way, in hand to hand combat they are much better than anything the Welsh can build. I'm currently playing as the Welsh and I can confirm how frightening it is when a mass of huscarles charge my armoured spearmen :jawdrop: :hide:
Start Battle
Ctrl-H, hold formation.
Only the guys who are out flanking the enemy and in contact without danger of being flanked do I take off hold.
One of the features of the morale system is that it is not just the number of casualties that you have taken, it is also the rate of casualties that you take within a period of time close to the current test. So if you take a lot of casualties rapidly you will have a large negative morale modifier. Stay on hold and you reduce the chance of a chain rout.
Thank you for all your help in the past three days I really think it will work. I got my sister to call him in the middle of our next battle. ~:joker: And your lay out tactics are very useful. I have enjoyed writing this. thread ~:wave: ~:thumb: ~:cheers:
I really can't add anything constructive here, all the major tips have been already pointed out by the more experienced. All i wanted to say is that this thread gave me a couple of very good laughs, especially the baseball bat part ~D Also i never thought a 10 year old girl played such games, i was pleasantly surprised, keep going ~:cheers:
I will try to use all of your advice and hopefully beat him. Your help has been much appreciated. I now need to thank you all so here it is thanks to:
Colovion ~:)
Oleander ~:)
Ardenes ~:)
Blodrast ~:)
Oaty ~:)
Papewaio ~:)
Accounting troll ~:)
Hic ric ~:)
Ar7 ~)
~:cheers: ~:wave:
I will try to use all of your advice and hopefully beat him. Your help has been much appreciated. I now need to thank you all so here it is thanks to:
Colovion ~:)
Oleander ~:)
Ardenes ~:)
Blodrast ~:)
Oaty ~:)
Papewaio ~:)
Accounting troll ~:)
Hic ric ~:)
Ar7 ~:)
~:cheers: ~:wave: ~D ~:p
Mil sargeants are cheap an cavalry will definatly win the flanks for you. Pretty much it. With the money advantage i would say you have this in the bag.
-Falc
I hope he doesn’t read my file where I put all your help! :book: I think I will have to remember all your help for we play in the same room! :computer: :thumbsup: ~D ~:wave:
feel free to peruse these forums for advice, i do
Chess as a game sucks because it doesn't have any handicap.
Pool, for example, is nice, you just tell your handicap, and you can have a nice and challenging game between two people of different skills.
Same for Go the board game, you just tell your rank, and the opponents rank determines the handicap.
Same should go for TW multiplayer, you play a game and see how much more money you need. For a game with 5000f for both, a 1000 bonus can make quite a big difference in the field. If the opponent is better, then the money does balance it nicely.
Just remember, the handicap is there to make you even, or near even, not to make you overpower him.
Lisa, the Welsh's strength lies in the missiles. As people have said, use cavalry to counter the Welsh Bandits. The Bandits are faster than most infantry so chasing them with foot wont help. I would say the main aim of his Bandits will be to take out your Huscarles. Since they already have good attack defence and morale you may want to increase armour to protect them better. Increase the cavalry's valour so they can do well against the Bandits (main idea is to tie them up so they can't enter the main fight. With extra valour the Cavalry may well rout them - added bonus, they can then flank your dad. The main battle line has been handled already. Note: make the general a strong cavalry unit with good morale (mounted nobles) but keep them out of melee untill you really need them (your dad may try and kill your general to get the army to rout faster).
Hope this helps! ~D
Hi lisa,
will you play rome total war when it comes out with your dad??
Cya ~:wave:
Welcome to the .Org Samwell ~:wave:
This is a little OT but LisaBeanie, you don't sound like much of a 10 year-old to me. You sound older.
Hi thanks for the welcome ~:)
Thanks for all your help I beat him ten minutes ago :laugh2: :laugh: ; both ~D our generals ran away early on but at the end I mostly destroyed him with Saxon Huscarles. I have really enjoyed reading all my replies.
@LegionnaireX: I really am 10 but thanks for the complement.
~:cheers:
lisa
:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: WOOHOO!!!!! :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:
Whenever you beat your dad, don't forget to save the battle so you can replay your moment of glory when his friends come round ~D
Try not to commit your general to the fighting too early if possible. The sight of a general running away can often cause the rest of the army to panic. Likewise, getting your father's general to run away will demoralise his men.
Well done lisabeanie, I bet your dad is really proud of you
......Orda
New topic: How can I beat my daughter?
~D
Well done lisabeanie.
Way to go lisabeanie. Just remember to let your dad win a battle every now and then. ~;)
I've never even played this game before.
Pat, if you are reading this, you suck. :D
Indeed, i find though a better way lisa is in fact to have a peasant as a gen and get him to withdraw then no panic penalty. It's ok but leaves a slight hole in your line. Mais AFAIK you have a cash handicap over your dad so hell.... give your huscarls a bit more valour from the saved money or get a better cav unit to flank ye dad and you'll be beating your dad at VI until you start playing RTW :knight:
:help: :thinking: Dad and I are going to play another game should I change my side? I don’t know? ~:confused: :computer:
change game, rome total war is better!!! ~;)
imo not on an MP front mate...actually Lisabeanie, use the Scyths in RTW then smash your dad using the now working skirmish mode. If VI I reckon the old Huscarle rush will work against yer dad agin ig he's using the old Welsh Setup. Also, I may too RTW influenced with my new belief in Cav but his Welsh bandits are no match for a knightly charge... :knight:
Congratulations on beating Dad! ~:cheers:
2 really important points have been made here: 1) after the battle look at unit cost vs how much work they are doing for you_go into the logfiles for the battle and look; 2) save replays_after the battle play it a zillion times and look at what worked and what needs improving-even better, you can look at what Dad did and what Dad did wrong ~:)
Papewaio gave you the basic "way things work"; to get better you need to play and Custom Battles work very well for practice.
Have fun! :charge:
My Dad says we will play Rome Total war when we have finshed VI but we will playing sooner than he thinks! :gossip: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:
~D
lisa
You're going to beat your father for Christmas!? ~:eek:
My, how things change over time ~;)
ps. show no mercy! :charge:
Or you could just set his screen so it goes into power saving every 5 minutes then challenge him to a game, could be interesting ~D
oh that last post was so evil.
You wanted something that works though ~D
:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: HAPPY CHRISTMAS ALL :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:
I GAVE Rome Total war for Christmas Not beat him. But he says we will have to get a new something card. All this P.C. :computer: stuff dives me mad ~:confused: .
By for now By for now
beanie
graphics card?
AHhhhhhhhhhhh the Welsh....eek. Right errrrr lemme think. I'll just tell you some of my old Viking armies.
Mercians:
1 Noble cavalry general
4 Mounted Sergeants on 3 valour (if you can't get them on 3 valour don't bother with them)
4 Saxon huscarls (1 valour try to aim for)
4 Militia sergeants (3-4 valour)
3 archers (upgrade em if you want.......I don't bother.)
Just use the standard tactic of archers laying down covering fire while your saxons and milis run in and slay some Welshies while cavalry flank
Irish (my favourite ever ever ever faction....ever):
4 Mounted Nobles on 1 ish valour
4 Dartmen with 3 weapon upgrades or something
4 Bonnachts
4 Gallowglasses
OK this is a tiny bit more complicated. If you don't like the idea of an army that will take heavy losses before it even inflicts a single kill don't pick this one. Many people prefer to let their Bonnachts take the arrows...but I like letting the dartmen take it. Bonnachts are excellent secondary infantry in my opinion. OK here's the set up:
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
-----GGGGGGG-----
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
D = Dartmen
B = Bonnachts
G = Gallowglasses
N = Mounted Nobles
The reason there are -----s is because those are empty spaces because Gallows will be in 4 ranks deep formation (except the cavalry, which would work well in 2). Be sure to put your whole army in 4 ranks deep formation, with the dartmen in loose formation and hold position and the bonnachts in hold position and formation. Let your dartmen kill the Welsh Bandits some, then do a cavalry charge V his Bandits if you want to finish em off. This should make him attack. At which point you switch formation to:
NNNNNNNGGGGGGGNNNNNNNN
----BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB----
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
The Noblemen protect the flanks of the Gallowglasses, which will give the Gallowglasses a morale boost......the Bonnachts throw pointy death over the heads of your Gallows.........Seeing as Gallowglasses are possibly the best infantry of Viking era enemy infantry shouldn't last too long. If you see your cavalry about to be attacked by enemy infantry pull back behind the Bonnachts though. Any Dartmen you have left use them to throw javelins at the enemy too.
Some problems you'll encounter with this army :dizzy2: :
1. Low morale. All the units in that army (except cavalry) start out on 0 morale I think. This means you need 3 valour on the Bonnachts and Gallowglasses at least or else they'll flee at the sight of an enemy. This army is best suited for 15k (15000) florin games because of this.
2. Gallowglasses charge without orders. Yep.......putting them on hold position and formation would be a good idea until you're ready to charge....if you want to.
3. Bonnachts are NOT anti cavalry. They look like they have spears, but the last thing you want is for them to get into a fight with cavalry. Every time I've sent them V cavalry they get slain.
Aside from those problems this army should do very well. I averaged 1000 kills with it when I played online with it.......Normal sized units ~:cool: . Just errrrr............remember to RUN in when you get within archer range or else you might not make it to those Bandits ~:eek: .
Wow I'm a motormouth. Lol it's nearly a novel is this. Anyway GL to you V your dad. First father/ child game I've actually heard of so far, despite lots of MTW and RTW players having children that are old enough to play it.
Dad can work RTW on his laptop but we can't play multi-player. :cry:
Oh well!
Lisa
Too bad ~:(
I'm in the same boat. Keep nagging for the new card!
except for the total breach of etiquette...... :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by ah_dut
congrats on the win ~:cheers:
My friend, this is total war...Lisa needs the win more than her dad does...Quote:
Originally Posted by octavian
And here, we're the dirtiest bunch of schemers, tacticians and in general nice people around ~;) :bow: ~:cheers: ~D
lol :D
all's fair in love and war right? ~:cheers: :charge:
Ok how long is it since I have been on this? ~:confused:
But I bet that every one has RTW now. I still have VTW :sad2: which means I will be all left out ~:( . It is ages since I have played my dad. I will ask him to play soon. Any good advice :help: ?
Lisa ~D ~:)
Hey Lisa , it has been a long time. While there are a lot of folks in Rome, we still have quite a few playing MTW.
Check in the lobby, I'm sure you won't be left out. :balloon2:
ichi :bow:
What worked before will probably work again... Until you quit being mean to Dad and let him have the same amount of money that you have! Well... maybe a little more would help.
I think the experts have covered anything I can contribute. ~:)
Azi