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Hoping that stupid comments on romans won't be called again up from a pic show ....
here is the triaria ... made one legged and with a shield simbol still to fix little things .....
http://img136.exs.cx/img136/7564/17ir.jpg
http://img136.exs.cx/img136/1893/23od.jpg
Although the mail looks less dark, since it is still in the shade, I cannot really say. As for the rest of the unit, IMHO, it is absolutelly perfect. :2thumbsup:
http://img136.exs.cx/img136/6981/36ci.jpg
picture at close of the caesarian legions.....
The unit is awesome. As for the mail, although it's very close to absolute perfection, I think it should have a greyish colour, not a brownish one.
Hey guys can we get some more greek units. I'll appreciate any screenshots.
Well... you've finally gone and done it... after many weeks of following these forums and being utterly amazed by everyone and everything being done... I finally gave in and registered... I know everyone on the EB team has heard it enough times to live off of for many lifetimes but this is truly the most amazing mod, or even most amazing game in its own right. It's hardcore cliche at this point but... thanks :embarassed:
Mkay then, now that we've gotten that out of the way. Prom you rule. Don't take stuff about Romans and whatnot in the game or otherwise personally dude. These Roman units look freakin awesome, but you had posted another version in the other screenshot thread which I think had better mail coloration and brightness and whatnot.
http://img138.exs.cx/img138/5299/19mr.jpg
Idunno. Personal preference of mine I assume. Oh and just wondering, will there be a new skin or any changes at all to the captain or acting general dude for every unit? The helmetless one. And will he look even more different for different factions?
And once again, to everybody working on this mod, may you all live prosperous and happy lives, due to the great deed to humanity you have all done here (Overdramatic? Maybe. Undeserved? Not in the least!). Good luck on the rest of this monumental task!
Thank you very much in name of the whole team. We apreciate very much your comments. Specially knowing that you've registered specifically because of EB. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonderland
Yes, for all of the above. All captains and generals will be faction specific and have unique looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonderland
Thank you indeed. Very gratefull we are for such comments... :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonderland
perfect :)
Allz I can say is... ~:) yay ~:) .... (sorry for making you give me the whole 'grateful' speech n stuff... you didn't haavttaaa...)
YOU GUYS RULE! WOOOOOOOO! *drunken college-guy yells*
*passes out*
i bet a lot of people have registered b/c of EB. i myself registered entirely because of EB and Blue Lotus (50/50). the EB guys are great, but that hoggy is a mad genius freakshow maniac. kidnap him and force him to collaborate with your modelers/skinners.. just a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
:greedy:
Good work!
Prom, your triarii are great! Bravo!!! :iloveyou:
Hope, you'll use their chain mail for other units.
http://img71.exs.cx/img71/638/11qz.jpg
Princeps..... I enlighted a bit more the mail....
Curious question - what's that on the triarii helmet?
Prom
This might be a question that's already been asked, but is there a reason why you are including a split in the mail shirts on the bottom half. Lorica hamata didn't include a split, but was a solid skirt. Iss this a concious decison or something that forced on you by texturing constraints?
Good work!
I think they should have another pattern on shield. Imho, there should be unique pattern for each type of Roman units.
BTW, Prom, perhaps you could get better screenshots if you'd select the unit before taking a screencap? Then they would be backlighted (you can remove the silly green arrows in the preferences.txt) and better visible.
Prom:
Looking nice. I agree with the Lorica Hamata not being split
Something else is bugging me, wanted to clear it up though: The shield pattern of the wolf, is that based off of the one i posted for 3d art application? Because it looks great, and you managed to get it to not mirror as bad, so i'm shamed from a job ~;) IF so, i also see you lessened the scratches and dirt, but it looks really really good, almost subtly so.
BTW: If i want to help work on Roman textures with you, who do i need to PM about it?
Cut-outs for Eyes like on a greek style helmet, but fake. This Helmets developed from the trick to hide behind the shield an let the enemy think he would hit something.Quote:
Curious question - what's that on the triarii helmet?
Woah. I never knew that. Clever :) If only we could get the AI be tricked by that ;)
That sounds suspiciously like a myth to me. The Etrusco Corinthian helmet was a bastardised version of the Greek Corinthian. The Greek Corinthinan could be worn pushed up for greater visibility. The style was copied for the Etrusco Corinthian, and the eyes remained at a stylistic feature. I think in most cases they're actually engraved or embossed features, as opposed to being real holes. seems a bit foolish having holes in a helmet just for stylistic reasons.
Actually, those helmets are quite correct. The reason for the eyes was most likely decoration, since it didn't really affect the helmet's usefullness much.
Prom,
Looking amazing as always, the mail on those princeps is looking just about perfect. The brownness of the triarii you posted was a bit wierd, but it looks like you got it perfect with the princeps, good work! ~:cheers:
It's because the texture in that area is stretched while the soldier is walking. If it had other than a unpatterned texture the stretching would be very noticeable and ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catiline
Because you have to talk to me or Dicatator Sulla first. It's a question of organization and assignement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albow0001
Princepes look awesome!
You bet. He's an awesome modeller/skinner. We would love having him in EB, but he has is own mod and no time for anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
Who is hoggy and for what mod works?
anyway here is a first Auxilia...
http://img138.exs.cx/img138/2906/17fp.jpg
to whoever played with my settings i need back my ability to edit post thanks....
You lost your editing hability? :surprised: That is very strange... :confused:
Try to contact TosaInu or barocca about it...
BTW, why can't I see Member written under your avatar?
He has is own MOD. Blue Lotus MOD. It's a fantasy MOD based on oriental mithology.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
Aren't these the Princeps? ~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
I think the mail is getting better in reflexion and light...
Of socourse they are princeps , but since i cant edit then I couldn't change ....
Those are the Auxiliary...
http://img65.exs.cx/img65/7654/28el.jpg
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/925/14bm.jpg
Auxiliaries look great Prom! The armor is looking good too now!
Seems I have to leave this forum since my account has been blocked , dunno why....
auxiliarys looking good :)
Hell, PROM, i'll PM Tosa if necessary.
Dear God, those Auxilia are f****** gorgeous...
Bellíssimo!!! The Auxilia are fantastic!!! :2thumbsup:
I will contact TosaInu immediatelly to solve the problem. You'll be back editing posts in not time.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
OMG OMG OMG! *flutters about* Those are the most amazing Roman units... EVER!!! I shall say this after every Roman unit Prometheus puts out! And I shall be damn proud! Get the man his editing powers and lets be on with it.
I really must agree that those units are extremely good. It's a good thing that you changed the chainmail to have smaller links, but i still think it should be less brown. ~;)
- Panda
Did you change the size of your .sig in time? Because as I remember the punishment if you did not have a reduced file size in your .sig by Monday was losing your membership status. You need to ask Tosa about this, he would be the only person that could do it to you.
http://img132.exs.cx/img132/1720/18ud.jpg
What about this one?
Nice, but what's with the face mail?
What are they, by Guess I did say it are strange Auxiliaries from the East. However is this a roman Unit?
Those are Seleucid Thorakitai Argyraspidai. Imitation legionaries did not exist, contrary to the wargaming community (the scholarly community is quite clear, and being part of this as a historian, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that there were no imitation legionaries).
The unit is based on some textual accounts and recent archaeological finds in Syria dating to the Seleucid period (one of which is a forthcoming journal article by me). Their chain mail is '1 ring in 5', and very fine and expensive. It offers optimum protection. They are an elite unit within the Hypastistai, and are used to assault enemy formations. Someone said they wanted more Greek units, and we delivered ;)
Yez I did ask for more greek units. The colors on that unit though are not of the Seleucids. Can you change them?
We don't use faction colors. Unless you mean the shield is not appropriate?
The mail on those Seleucid soldiers is perfect, if you give that colour of mail to all of your units it will look fantastic. ~:cheers:
That's an awesome unit. Chainmail ninjas! Woo! (joke! dont historical bash me :bow: )
The shields are very nice in that new one. Would it be possible for them to be the same color as the tunic? Dark blueish-greenish?
The shields look much better now... are they in light or in shadow on that picture?
new sacred band cavalry horse
http://users.skynet.be/Carthaginian/RTW/SB.gif
WOW!!! That looks amazing!!! It might be able to use some more refining (the rear end looks a bit plain), but it is incredable! Could you mount it with the new model so we can see the whole picture (the old model is riding it, right?)
The sacred band horse armour looks magnificient, but are you just going to use the original sacred band soldier?
Wow fantastic work on those seluecids Prom, they look absolutely amazing.
Adherbal, great work, looks amazing but could you possibly clean up the edges on the barding as it looks a bit too jaggy, and maybe soften some of the textures to look less digital, otherwise great work.
:medievalcheers:
Prom, Adherbal - awesome work, keep up!
What selucid work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ailill
Prom, looking great as usual.
One question: Are those skins normal texture size, or are they 512x512?
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Originally Posted by Crownsteler
I second that. Firmly. Freakin awesome. Rear end needs more.
On those Thorakitai Argyraspidai... what are a centurion and an aquilifer doing next to Seleucid troops? Just wondering, otherwise sublime work!
~Wiz
I suppose Prom's using some generic roman unit just to show us his models. It's not a fully finished unit.
Yeah, that's what I thought... still, waiting for Prom's answer ~;)
~Wiz
About the Sacred band: No horse armour would cover a horse's rear. It's not smart, trust me! :charge:
Not necessarily armor... it could just be a little design or something. It just looks to bare the way it is.
He doesn't have to add anything unless its historically acurrate. Which I hope is the case... ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wonderland
Yes yes, I know about the whole doesnt-have-to-look-nice-long-as-its-accurate thing, and I'm all for it. I'm just saying if theres lets say more than one historically accurate version of the unit, it'd be best if they chose the one that looks a bit better ~:)
Sorry, Urnamma, I didn't clearly understand your answer. Who are those guys on pic? Seleucid imitation of Roman legionaries that never existed in reality, but will be in our mod? Or something specifically Seleucid, just using some Roman weapon (and tactics?)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Urnamma
Those guys are Thorakitai Agryraspids, which is I think a post reform Seleucid unit.
Urnamma was refering to the imitation legionnaries because the Thorakitai look kinda romans (though they aren't the 'imitation legionnaries' you can find in every wargame - or in RTW, as the silver shield legionnaries or something like that - but who probably never existed).
Well, that's what I've understood at least ~;)
I'm not Urnamma, but I did the concept art for the model on Urnamma's request.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
He is saying they are mistaken for imitation legions due to the fact that they fight in a 'Roman Style'. It's not shown in the screenshot, but those Thorakitai Agyraspidai would carry three javelins into combat as well as a spear: And like the Romans, they would throw the javelins into combat before engaging. This lead people to believe they where imitation legions.
These guys were the elite of the Seleucid Hypaspistai, and I'm guessing they would be used in roles for covering the phalanx, or engaging the more mobile units of barbarian armies and things like that.
Hope that helps a bit. Correct me if I'm wrong Urnamma.
- Seydlitz
You misunderstand me. I meant that there wouldn't be anything at all covering the horses butt. They releve themselves while walking, and I have never seen any drawings with anything covering their rear.Quote:
Not necessarily armor... it could just be a little design or something. It just looks to bare the way it is.
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Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Oh I see, I see. That very well might be true, but the first thing that pops up in my head is the horses that the medieval knights mounted. I believe they had their entire body covered.
http://www.knightlife.net/newhorse.jpg
As for relieving themselves, apparently they have a little slit in the back
http://www.horsegazette.com/Monthly_...ts%20fight.jpg
But for gaming purposes, if they can't exactly design the little slit, I think it should be fine. Everyone knows 3d horses don't 3d poo ~:)
First off let me congratulate you on your MOD, it´s looking great, can´t wait to get my hands on it nad start playing. You will show ppl that realistic is fun!Kudos to you :bow:
Acording to some historians, immitation legionaries were made up of locals trained by veterans from military roman colonies, as well as those of the said colonies. So it wouldn´t be too far fetched to actually have some kind of second-rate legionaries one some of the nations adjacent to the empire as well as in some client-states (i.e Military advisors were sent to Numidia to train locals in roman arms and tactics, although I can´t find any evidence of their actual performance, and this was during the Punic Wars).
Few of questions on Sucessor states (bear with me :wiseguy:):
*Will there be Galatian auxiliaries (which were so common among the Sucessor states)?
*It was also my understanding that Seleucids used Companion-like cavalry instead of Cataphracts.What will be your take on this?
*Will shields be replaced by the thureos in any of the "Greek" factions?
*Will pikes be available to the greek league faction?
About horses being armoured in their posterior ;) in medieval times it wasn´t uncommon to see horses with full mail covering, or even plate in the late period. How this translates to ancient times I dunnot know. I´m just saying it´s possible (besides it can be only fabric....).
I´ll just lurk around and give my opinion, even when no one asks for it ~D. Just kidding, but if I can help in any way, I will.
Aymar ainda bem que é um português a tratar da Peninsula. Vamos ver como ficam esses Lusitanos :thumbsup:
Now is that sarcastic? You sly little devil you. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarcasm
Haha, No it isn´t. Or maybe it is. ~;)
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/1...Britontats.jpg
British Belgae, by Vercingetrix and PROMETHEUS
Looks good but what about the other check guards? are just for rebels? and what about the other tattoed ones? according to the discussion I had with Ranika when making them this tatto was for the belgae proper while the heavy filled one was for the british....
That paint is fine, the rebels just need LESS paint than the Britons, not necessarily the Britons being totally covered in them (though they're pretty heavily painted anyway).
Also, to my understanding of the word, tattoos are actually placed within the skin, aren't they? And are permanent. What the Britons have on them isn't like that, it's just painted on. However, the Briton Rhyfelwyr would have actual tattoos.
so is a rebel unit not a briton one? and for the word tattoe sorry but since i was making tattoes with henna on summer i refer to them like this .....
No, that skin dispalyed there is the Briton. The rebel will have less paint than that one. The one Pyscho showed with paint is the Briton though