EB - Countdown to Open Beta: Ptolemaioi

Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans!

As promised, this week we begin a countdown toward our open beta. We will be highlighting a new faction each week. Today we are highlighting Ptolemaic Egypt.

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Ptolemaic Egypt was a very different place than the land of the Pharaohs portrayed in vanilla RTW. Today you will get a glimpse of what the Ptolemaic military looks like in Europa Barbarorum. Please forgive the lack of attributions here; Spartan Warrior worked on a good number of thes, but this is a team effort. All of our artists are all very talented, and each artist will be properly recognized for contributions in our readme files. Also, please forgive both the unfinished look of some of the units, and the improper grammar present in some of the unit names (Greek) and descriptions (English) - these are all considered WIPs. Today the focus is on the faction.

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Those unlucky enough to be extremely poor freedmen were pressed into service as Psiloi, the lowest class of Greek infantry. The Psiloi were divided into three parts, Javelineers, slingers, and archers. The javelin-armed Psiloi, the Akonistes, were a ragged bunch of peasants armed with javelins and small knives. Their function was simply to throw their missiles and run like hell! They were used for pre-battle skirmishing and for light missile fire. Never use Akontistes in melee except as diversionary fodder. They have their uses, as their javelins are still sharp and deadly, but they were often used only as light skirmishers or as a last resort in Hellenic armies for obvious reasons.

Historically, Akontistes did not play a particularly huge role on the battlefield. They had their uses, mainly for their ability to induce an enemy to attack prematurely. They are little more than an annoyance on the open field, but can be deadly if positioned in places where their javelins can be used for maximum effect.

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The most basic and numerous of the infantry units used by the non-European Successor States were the Pantodapoi infantry. These men were called from a variety of nationalities and were usually settled in certain areas for garrison duties and the like. There were Jews, Syrians, Cilicians, Persians, Assyrians, Native Egyptians, and many other peoples counted among their number. They are not particularly reliable soldiers, but they are certainly better than their eastern counterparts. They can give a good account of themselves in battle if deployed properly. They wear no armor, and have only a light shield for protection, so most other infantry will slaughter them in droves. They can fend off light cavalry for a time, if need be.

Historically, the Pantodapoi were a group of various nationalities that were used as a militia levy and defensive group for towns and villages prone to raiding. While the name is conceptual (meaning, from everywhere), they were a standard fighting force of the day. They were trained rudimentarily, but had enough training to be counted as superior to many militia levies. They had some experience fighting off nomadic raiders, so they can be useful against light troops and some light cavalry.

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The Machimoi are Egyptian natives who have been conscripted to fight in the traditional Macedonian fashion. They are armed with all the standard phalanx equipment including the sarissa, the Phrygian cap, and the small Illyrian shield. They wear quilted cloth armor due to the harsh Egyptian climate. They are reputable enough fighters, but have a history of rebellion, so they are far more expensive than most troops of the same caliber. This has to be dealt with though, since the Ptolemies simply do not have the numbers of Greeks to fill their armies with. Machimoi have decent morale and can be relied upon as capable troops. Their weaknesses are the same as any pike phalanx, in that they are immobile and prone to flank attacks and missile fire. If used accordingly, they will give good account of themselves.

Historically, the Machimoi were used with good effect at Raphia and other battles. Once they realized their own power, however, they soon began to revolt against their Greek and Macedonian rulers. The Ptolemaic line looked for different racial groups to settle in Egypt to counter this disparity, and ended up importing large amounts of Jews and Galatians to fill the ranks. Still the Machimoi were used as a necessity, and often gave a good account of themselves.

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Pezhetairoi are the bread and butter military unit of the Successor States. They are well disciplined and highly motivated pikemen that are armed and armored to the teeth. They are armored in a linen cuirass, a Thracian cap, a bronze greave on the right leg, stout boots, good bracers, and reinforced shoulder pads made from hardened linen (due to their experience with the deadly curved swords of Thrace). They have Illyrian style round shields attached to their bodies by leather straps that help support the weight of the shield and keep their hand free to grasp the sarissa. They are defensive infantry par excellent. They are the anvil of the two part Macedonian system of warfare, the heavy cavalry being the hammer. They should be used to anchor enemy soldiers while the Thureophoroi harass the flanks and the heavy cavalry smashes into the flanks and rear.

Historically, the Pezhetairoi are the classic Alexandrian phalanx. They were used to great effect against the Persians, Medes, Bactrians, Indians, Phoenicians, and many, many others. They are an effective force and have not changed much over the centuries. The Romans were able to defeat them as easily as they did for two main reasons. One, the Roman army was at a high state of readiness and tactical prowess after defeating the Carthaginians. Two, the heavy cavalry arm of the Successor armies had degenerated to the point where they were no longer able to field significant numbers to fulfill their part of the hammer and anvil tactic of Alexander. There were many small reasons, numbering among them the misuse of the Thureophoroi, the underuse of Peltasts, and the lax state of warfare that the Successor states were used to. In any case, the phalanx was not as anachronistic or inflexible as widely believed; it was simply used in the wrong way. In the thirteenth century onwards, pikemen in similar formations were able to work wonders with more capable generals and a better cavalry arm. Do not under appreciate pikemen, for they are still a war winning force.

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The Ethiopian mercenaries hired by the Ptolemies were fierce soldiers and often fought with the heaviest of the infantry. They wielded large double bladed axes and fought as a powerful shock infantry. They would wear a mail vest and leather greaves in addition to a long tunic. Fighting without helmets, abandon, or shields, these men would crash into an enemy line with fury, using their large stature and raw power to push through enemies like a hot knife through butter. They fight as a heavy shock infantry, and are fairly defensive troops as well due to their sheer ferocity.

Historically, the use of Ethiopian troops that fought in this manner continued through much of the middle ages. There is little textual evidence for their involvement in Ptolemaic armies, though the amount of period art material depicting them fighting with the armies of the Ptolemies is simply staggering. They were most probably used in place of Nubians because of the latter’s tendency to take part in revolts of native Egyptians, since they shared a common culture. The Ethiopians shared no common culture with the Egyptians, and since they already disliked their Nubian neighbors, had common cause with the other foreign soldiers in the Ptolemaic armies (Galatians and Jews) to fight for the king.

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The most numerous of the Kleruchoi were the pikemen, who were often of very high quality. They carry standard equipment for pikemen, much the same as the Pezhetairoi, but are often of higher quality. The Kleruchoi are able, due to their status as lords of small estates, to devote a considerable amount of time to military training. They are best used like their Argyraspidai counterparts, to hold the most crucial portion of a line. They are great phalanx infantry, well able to hold against most opponents. If they have a weakness, it is the classic weakness of pikemen: flanking attacks.

Historically, the Kleruchoi Agemata formed the nucleus, together with the Galatians, of any Ptolemaic army. Since they had peasants to work their estates, unlike the Pezhetairoi, they could assemble at any time during they year and not have to worry about the management of their estate (due to compensations from the rich Ptolemaic government). They were almost always held in somewhat of a reserve, because the Ptolemaic kings did not want them to be badly mauled in any battle. This was due to the ever-present danger of native revolts within Egypt itself. They were dissolved during the Roman occupation, but many joined new legions being raised in Egypt.

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The Ptolemies had a problem with their elite infantry from the get go. Namely, they didn’t have any, since the Seleucids and Macedonians took what remained of Alexander’s Hypaspistai. Therefore, they had to build a unit of royal heavy infantry to compete with their rivals. Many things were tried, but ultimately the result was the Basilikon Agemata, the Royal Guards. They are armed with hoplite spears and thureos shields and armored in mail, making them more mobile but less well armored than other heavy infantry. They also carry a short sword that was used rather like the Romans used theirs. This led to the misidentification of these troops by Latin authors as a sort of imitation legion. The Basilikon Agemata is full of good troops, mostly Greeks and Macedonians with a few Galatians and Cretans. They are an elite infantry, well able to fight in a phalanx and to break the formation and fight with their blades. They are extremely versatile and can be used to good effect by a capable commander.

Historically, the Basilikon Agemata was the elite guard of the Ptolemaic king. They went everywhere with their king, and were instrumental in putting down several native revolts along with the Galatians. They outfought the natives with creative tactics that worked well against other successor pikemen as well. Most of the unit was not present at Raphia, but was used to good effect against the Seleucids on other occasions.

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Machimoi cavalry are the third and best unit that is conscripted in times of need by the Ptolemies. They are formed from the native nobility, many of whom have intermarried with their Macedonian overlords and are thus more loyal than the other natives. Still, they are often present in native revolts, due to the fact that they can often lead these revolts. They fight in a manner consistent with other medium cavalry, but are more lightly armored and consequently faster. They are armed with javelins as a secondary arm, and usually throw these before their charge. They can be great and versatile cavalry if used correctly.

Historically, the lower native nobility of Egypt formed these cavalry regiments for the Ptolemies. They were used to good effect at Raphia and other battles, but often proved to be a thorn in the side of Ptolemaic kings. They made excellent raiders and good ‘jack of all trades’ cavalry, which made them just as useful under the command of a native who was trying to restore Egypt to Egyptian rulers…

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The Fayuum and other places also made excellent spots for a heavy cavalry reserve to be put down. With a system of land grants and promises, the Ptolemies were able to lure many Greeks and Macedonians to settle in Egypt and produce a reliable heavy cavalry. They are armed with a xyston, a kopis, and a small round shield that gave a bit of protection but allowed them to use their lance with both hands. They can be counted upon to give a good account of themselves in battle, due to the fact that they are well trained, almost feudalistic, cavalry.

Historically, the Ptolemaic heavy cavalry was very good, well able to deal with the Seleucids and other threats. They were able to check the more numerous Seleucid cavalry at Raphia, making sure their vulnerable phalanx was not outflanked. They were in existence up until the end of the Ptolemaic kingdom and many were hired by the Romans to provide a heavy cavalry capable of fighting in the east after the absorption of Egypt into the Roman Empire.

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The Hetairoi, or Companions, were the elite noble heavy cavalry of Macedon and the Successor states. They are an elite heavy cavalry that is second to none and arguably the best cavalry of the period. They fight with a degree of élan, discipline, and simple ferociousness that is matched only by the horsemen of Iberia, Carthage, and the best heavy cavalry of some of the eastern nomadic peoples. They are armored from head to toe in iron plate (some still had bronze, but this was falling out of favor rapidly by 250 B.C.), reinforced with mail at key points. Their horses are barded with felt barding and often have bronze plates to protect their heads. Their helmets, with the two plumes, mark them on a battlefield. They are best used as heavy shock cavalry, able to decide many battles with a single charge. They are the second part of the hammer and anvil of Alexandrian battle tactics. They are armed with a xyston and a kopis, and are well able to use both weapons. If these men have any weakness, it is the front of a line of spearmen. Horses simply do not like charging into a row of men armed with big pointy sticks. They are still able to give a decisive blow to the flank and rear of any infantry.

Historically, the Hetairoi were first created by Philip, following the lead of the cavalrymen of Thessaly, to the south. Philip went one better, armoring them to the teeth and giving them a Xyston, a twelve foot long lance tipped with a large steel head. They were armored head to toe in bronze plate, from helms to cuirass to bracers to greaves. Alexander often replaced this armor with lighter linen when they were traveling, but was quick to replace the bronze in any hard fought engagement. Alexander added little to their equipment but trained them to ride their horses in such a way that each man was an expert horsemen as well as a shock cavalryman. The successors kept this mold, but added mail reinforcement to the bronze armor at the joints before replacing it with iron and added felt and lamellar barding to the horses after encountering horse peoples that did the same. During the third century their usage declined with the successor’s ability to pay for such heavily armored men. They degenerated to such a point where only a handful were present at major battles, and were far from the war winning force that they had been earlier. Perhaps with a bit of luck and more funding, a commander could use them in their true glory once more…

Some units in action:

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Some surprises may be found in Ptolemaic territory:

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Finally, Teleklos has put together some wallpaper as a little bonus for the fans:

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We hope you enjoyed this little preview of Ptolemaic Egypt, and look forward to our faction showcase next week.

Please note that unless stated otherwise, ALL pictures shown in our news posts are of works in progress. We continue to improve on all parts of EB, and will do so long after our initial release.

As always, if you have questions or comments, the best place to post them would be here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=70

Or here:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/index.php?showforum=60

We give special thanks to http://www.imageshack.us who provide us with a simple, foolproof, and free way to show you all these pictures each week.

Have a wonderful day!

Sincerely,

-the EB team

First to reply! It looks good, as always, but you're 17 minutes late! ~;)

Edit: That should be a greave on the left Pezhetairoi leg, yes?

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First to reply! It looks good, as always, but you're 17 minutes late! ~;)

Edit: That should be a greave on the left Pezhetairoi leg, yes?

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Not where I live...and it is, isn't it?

Fair enough then re. post below.

Umm...we mean "right" as in "correct," or "leading" leg.

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Countdown eh? So how many more weeks left?

The units are very nice, detailed, historical. I suspect though that this is not the full unit list for the Ptolemies right? I mean where are the heavier phalanx support troops (Galatian swordsmen) where are those famous Diodachi elephants? And don't the Egyptians have some special bowmen unit other than their basic peasant bowmen?

Which faction is up next week?

Please oh pretty please make them the Southern Greeks, we haven't seen much of them of late.

では、頼むよ！

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Countdown eh? So how many more weeks left?

The units are very nice, detailed, historical. I suspect though that this is not the full unit list for the Ptolemies right? I mean where are the heavier phalanx support troops (Galatian swordsmen) where are those famous Diodachi elephants? And don't the Egyptians have some special bowmen unit other than their basic peasant bowmen?

Which faction is up next week?

Please oh pretty please make them the Southern Greeks, we haven't seen much of them of late.

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Consider this like when the doctor asks you to count down from 20 while you're on the operating table, and being put to sleep. No one is sure when you'll stop, but they are sure you'll stop when you're ready ~;)

There are other units, of course. About 15 per faction, or more, so we aren't going to show them all. There is not much chance of showing the Southern Greeks for a while - they're lagging behind the other Hellenics in work completed.

WOW!

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Beautiful as always ~:)

Is this countdown going to replace the weekly news updates that appear on a Friday ?

Cheers ~:cheers:

It's amazing, but wouldn't it take very long, if you post one faction a week?

~:cheers: Wow great job as always EB.

oh shit, this is great

woohooo! countdown. very happy it started, very sad there are about 15 factions....+ all merc and natives etc...
but still, great shots, great info. and great modding. this is without a doubt the best mod of all games!

Has he actually SAID hes only doing one a week ? ~:confused:

Theres two screen shots of the map - which one is corerect ? The first one is alot bigger than the one in the 'ingame' shot.

how do i say???? ~:eek:
i'd buy u a beer ~:cheers: or 20! if i could
*starts to mumble inconsistantly and drools down chin*

Impressive, most impressive.

Questions - I assume you just haven't implemented the correct animations for holding the sarissas, right? I know they are works in progress, but will the new animations make it into the beta?

Also, will the beta be released with a Mod Switcher file (.rmd, I think)? I seem to recall that very early into this project I asked about that, but I don't know if it is still possible to do. I don't fully understand how the Mod Switcher works.

This is awesome. I can't wait.

:duel: + :charge: + :book: = Europa Barbarorum.

Now you get ~:cheers: .

those axemen look sweet, just like the hammer from last week. terrific mod.
how much countdown will there be in one week?

I'll be doing one feature a week. But as I said above:

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Consider this like when the doctor asks you to count down from 20 while you're on the operating table, and being put to sleep. No one is sure when you'll stop, but they are sure you'll stop when you're ready ~;)

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I am not sure which of our new animations will make it into the beta.

I am not sure if we will be able to handle mod switching. Vercingetorix is working on our installer, and there will be an uninstall option...

The screenshot that features the map has the correct map. The screenshots that do not feature the map...well, don't feature the new map.

:balloon: :balloon3: :balloon2:


YYYYarrararrarararrararrararaggggggggggghhaaaaarrrrrrggggrgrg!!!!!!!!!



BI can kiss my arse right about now.


Oooooohhhh. The lovely things you will do after the exapansion...

RTW + BI + EB = Never leaving home.


GGGrrrahhhhrrr.

I wish you guys had a EB sign, poster, or something so us lowly fans could help promote and get the word out.

Maybe I'll see what I can figure out and shoot it your way. I'm no modeler.

I've just chopped together a neat little button/ad thingy for EB - I'll start a new thread for it. :book:

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Has he actually SAID hes only doing one a week ? ~:confused:

Theres two screen shots of the map - which one is corerect ? The first one is alot bigger than the one in the 'ingame' shot.

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One is the EB map, the other is the standard map which is used for testing of the new buildings.

When the official expansion is released, will the Europa Barbarorum team continue to make additions that will be compatable with the original Rome: Total War? I have every intention of using this modification, but none of getting the official expansion.

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I wish you guys had a EB sign, poster, or something so us lowly fans could help promote and get the word out.

Maybe I'll see what I can figure out and shoot it your way. I'm no modeler.

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Well, although there is not an official SIG, this one is the closest to it:

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how many factions do you guys highlight in a week

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I'll be doing one feature a week.

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Come on.

Mouthwatering feature, Khelvan, congratulations to the EB team!

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Come on.

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Yes, I think most of the fans just look at the pretty pictures, and don't bother to read what I write. ~:handball:

Read? Write? What?

i take an hour out of every day to commit your words to memory, khelvan. just fyi.

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Well, although there is not an official SIG, this one is the closest to it:

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Is this the image you would like supporters and fans to use for promotion?

I don't want to be confused with an actual EB contributor. That honor is well deserved and I do not rate it.

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Is this the image you would like supporters and fans to use for promotion?

I don't want to be confused with an actual EB contributor. That honor is well deserved and I do not rate it.

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Well, not exactly. It was made to identify EB members although a lot of them use other sigs...


All fans can use this one instead:

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Just be sure not to use my own bandwith by copying the image location. :wink:

is there a timeframe or whatever for when this beta is gonna be released? i just wanna know if im gonna have enough time to do another rtr campaign.

It is a matter of weeks rather than months, we just need to clear up a few issues surrounding our buildings system. We recently ran into an unexpected limit of 64 building complexes, and it has really thrown us back to the drawing board in some respects. Once our reshuffling of buildings, especially governments, is in place, we'll be ready for the beta test. It is weeks, not months, but it all depends on how quickly we can implement a new solution to address the issues.

"building complexes, and it has really thrown us back to the drawing board in some respects. Once our reshuffling of buildings, especially governments"

that, my friend, is REALLY shitty. damn.

Am i the only one that noticed that the Machimoi Cavalry are standing in their horses

^^ it is work in progress mate

i know but it isn't that hard to get them on a horse properly, just chang the figting style in the descr_models_battle.txt

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i know but it isn't that hard to get them on a horse properly, just chang the figting style in the descr_models_battle.txt

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Are you reading the posts? I have done so already.

what posts

So egypt won't get any legions at all?

looks amazing cant wait for realease of the mod come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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So egypt won't get any legions at all?

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Why should it? :dizzy2:

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We recently ran into an unexpected limit of 64 building complexes, and it has really thrown us back to the drawing board in some respects.

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That's too bad. Is there a reason (like processing power, or something) that there are so many limits? Or is it just to make modders buy the expansion pack when they raise the silly limits a whole bunch?

Crazed Rabbit

No, CA just sucks. ~;)

Thanks for the siggy add-on. Proud to advertise for ya.

dont use photobucket. Ill be going to image shack soon.

This just occured to me...It appears that those unique buildings (The Ammonion, etc...) can be destroyed...is it possible to make it so the player can't destroy them, like with roads and walls and imperial palaces?

It is possible. The real question is, do we want to?

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This just occured to me...It appears that those unique buildings (The Ammonion, etc...) can be destroyed...is it possible to make it so the player can't destroy them, like with roads and walls and imperial palaces?

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Some will, most won't. If you could destroy it in real life, you can destroy it in the game. If you can't destroy it (or if it would take a really really long time), you won't be able to destroy it. Though building-complex number limits do hamstring us a little, we still have been able to do 95% of what we want with the unique buildings.

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It is a matter of weeks rather than months, we just need to clear up a few issues surrounding our buildings system. We recently ran into an unexpected limit of 64 building complexes, and it has really thrown us back to the drawing board in some respects. Once our reshuffling of buildings, especially governments, is in place, we'll be ready for the beta test. It is weeks, not months, but it all depends on how quickly we can implement a new solution to address the issues.

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Ach. April's out of the picture, then, is it?

Sadly, yes.

ahhahaha it would be real fun seeing thos romans hack in with their gladius trying to destroy (that circle shaped pile of stone) you know what i mean

great countdown, but it left me with more questions than first. what artillery will they use? will they get an imitation legion (like RTR)? elephants? archers? etc.
ncie text btw, good info.

wich reminds me, was there any such thign as an imitation legion? what did it imitate? javs/training/armor/ranking etc

Ptolemies were great siege engine builders, and they should build the same as any Hellenic faction...

As for the rest of the questions:

There is no such thing as immitation legionaries, but there are troops that fight almost as the Romans do. That´s what is usually is refered to, when you speak of those.

Elephants will be in, and so will archers.

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and so will archers.

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aren't the psiloi going to be archers? will there be three psiloi types (archers, slingers, javelineers)?

I believe that´s applyable to some factions, yes.

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Ptolemies were great siege engine builders, and they should build the same as any Hellenic faction...

As for the rest of the questions:

There is no such thing as immitation legionaries, but there are troops that fight almost as the Romans do. That´s what is usually is refered to, when you speak of those.

Elephants will be in, and so will archers.

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ok, thnx. but which elephants? i read that egypt couldn't get Asian elephants becuase of the Seleucids blocking the route. so will they get only 'small' ones? or big african?

fighting like romans, does that mean spear throw before charge, or teh stabbing with short sword?

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ok, thnx. but which elephants? i read that egypt couldn't get Asian elephants becuase of the Seleucids blocking the route. so will they get only 'small' ones? or big african?

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This is a complicated matter that I´m not entirely familiar with, so I´ll leave it for another to explain.

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fighting like romans, does that mean spear throw before charge, or teh stabbing with short sword?

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I mean a chainmail armoured infantryman, armed with heavy javelins and following up with spears and swords.

ok, did they 'copy' that or is it 'accidental' that multiple 'factions' had the same unit?

Sir,
Your mod preview looks good and if the rest is as good then all must look forward to its launch. May I ask however, how it is that you intend it to be downloadable especially for us who do not have broadband? For example will it be available through the PC Gamer magazine like RTR? And, for installation will it be an overwrite of the basic RTW with easy installation as again all of us are not geniuses? And, will it be possible to have your version as well as RTR on my computer? If so will you make it easy by giving detailed instructions on how to do it?
Please understand my ignorance but as I enjoy playing the mods I do not appreciate the disparsity of installation instructions that leave a lot to be desired. The enjoyment of the potential to play them can be destroyed by the crashing due to these factors. If only you guys would standardise and detail the instructions better then idiots like us would appreciate your excellent work more.
Yours,
basics.

Hi - we are creating our own installation program, with options included, and also an uninstall program. It should be as easy as clicking a button!

I would imagine that PC Gamer would be happy to offer our download on their CD.

I really look forward to this :iloveyou:

and I look forward to the news, which will be postet today :book:

are you going to show us the mercenaries, too? :knight: