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Image from Killzone2, gamespot has a movie that you really have to see. It looks pretty amazing.
Im wondering if these next generation Consoles are going to be the death of PC gaiming? that is an impressive screen shot!
PC will always be a step ahead, but I don't see what we really need beyond this graphically.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Edward
I agree frag. But when you can buy a Consol for £150-£200 and get graphics that good is it really worth paying £1000+ for an up to date PC?
if you ask me, i was happy with my mega-drive graphics, and then with my playstation graphics, and then with my ps2 graphics, i don't get this drive for better graphics when we can already portray everything quite accurately.
thanks,
dizzy
Flightsims will never have any depth on consoles so it's PC all the way for us prop-heads.
It isn't the most important thing but I like to be awed, look at resident evil 4. These amazing graphics are part of the atmosphere, it just looks real at times. And the ps3 will be backward compatible, so you can still play your ps1 and ps2 titles. If they don't try to sell it for the rediculous amount of money they asked for the ps2, I am so getting it. Twice the raw power of the xbox360, it will be amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dessa14
Yep im going to go PS 3 over X360 as well My PS2 is on its last legs anyway so might aw well be able to play all the games i have already paid for!
well i refuse to buy the XBOX, based on the fact that its a piece of rubbish, and that its microsoft and has rubbish games.
thanks,
dizzy
Why is xbox rubbish? It is the most powerful console. It doesn't look as sexy as the gamecube or the ps2, and when I you turn it on I worry it will lift of and fly away but it has Ninja Gaiden damnit ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by dessa14
PC games will exist long into the future. Consoles lack the ability to support RTS styled games, or games of somewhat similar style (Total War for instance), classical strategy (HOI) and proper fast paced FPS games, not to mention the flight sims.
The day they actually make a keyboard and perhaps a mouse to consoles, that will be the death of PC games.
My son bought a cable that lets him attach a mouse and keyboard to his XBox a few days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraxis
Nevertheless, I think PC gaming is here for the foreseeable future.
For one thing, console developers never seem interested in a niche market like hard core flight sims or wargames.
Consoles may be cheaper than PCs but every console fan I know needs more than one console to play all of the games they want to play. So the cost is not as different as it may seem.
Consoles do exactly one thing better than PCs. They can handle offline multiplayer games with players in the same room. This is fun for martial arts and FPS games and especially great for sports games.
Anything else can be done much better on a PC.
And then there is the whole mod issue. Consoles need not apply.
A game like RTW, MTW and STW would not be as good on a console. Consoles are only really good for shoot 'em ups, beat 'em ups, other such war games and RPGs. It gives more of a one-to-one feel.
Bit if there was a good Mouse/Keyboard setup the games like TW would be fine on a high powered consol like these.
I agree with Nelson about the modding issue though.
If you only use your PC for games, this is true, however I think it will be a long time before consoles catch up the versatility of a PC, and while there is a PC market, there will be PC games. Part of the ease of programming consoles (and thus the lower cost) comes from the fact that they are only programmed to do one thing. Play games. Start trying to bring them up to the versatility of a PC and I'd guess teh cost would begin to rise to the same level.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Edward
Oh, and that they can get away with low end components (relatively) because they have to contend with low resolutions. As TVs increase in quality they are starting to lose this advantage as well.
Even with high end components console producers can enjoy massive economy of scale advantages. They move millions of units.
Don't forget that console games are more expensive to the buyer.
Here in Denmark the very expensive top PC games cost 449kr (about 60€) but most new games cost no more than 399kr, but I have yet to see a single new console game cost less than 500kr. That is 25% more expensive in general.
The ability to actually connect mouse and keyboard is not enough, the consoles still need the games that need those implentations to be able to cut into PC games. And I doubt that will happen as a large portion of consolers are younger than PCers. They have grown up with their games, just like we have, and given the general flak consoles have been getting here (the SEGA issue and Total Warrior) it is obvious that people are not inclined to move over right away.
But a major advantage the consoles have is the general lack of bugs compared to PC games. I have yet to experience any bugs whatsoever in a console game. Granted I have played perhaps 15 games or so the last few years, but try picking 15 PC games and play them, you will find enough bugs in there. Though this often has to do with the rather more complex games we get for PCs.
Eventually, with high-res tvs and better controls, consoles will beat pcs. It's inevitable. The next gen support resolutions as high as any pc monitor; surround sound; and when you get a keyboard and mouse they will play strategy games as well as any pc.
Just a comment on PC gaming death, well not really, with every new console generation some people will predict that PC will die, but not really.
My reasoning is, well the graphics you see used by the next gen consoles (ie the nVidia card the PS3 is using, which is better than 2 6800's combined) is also to be released for the PC later after the next gen consoles have been release, so the PC will still retain its superior graphics power anyway.. what will kill it is the cost of upgrading it however, but thats another story.
As for me, i'm planning to buy all 3 major next gen consoles, yes i might be a douche bag, but really there are some really awesome games for both consoles (Xbox 360: Halo 3, DoA 4, 99 Nights.. etc. PS3: Killzone, GT5.. etc) that i cannot simply miss.. ~;p
The PC will never die. The day the PC dies, i will be named president of the world and and everyone will suddenly realise Microsoft is actually the Devil's work and has a huge monopoly on the computer industry, which leads to the subsequent upsurge and then downfall of the computer industry.
I look forward to the PS3 although I have barely touched my PS2 since getting RTW. It's only a matter of time before a new PS2 game comes out and I go crawling back to PS2. Or PS3 game.. when is it due out?
I'm guessing november 2006.. or maybe beggining of 2007.
PS3: We've gone from Darth Vader's toaster (PS2) to some kind of printer/breadbin hybrid. Hideous, truly hideous! The silver is the final straw - thank heaven there are other colours planned. The changes to the controller ... well, proof is in holding and using, but I'm very sceptical that thing will be comfortable. I like the current dualshock.
XBOX 360: Firstly what kind of a name is that? What's wrong with XBOX 2? It actually looks quite nice, and it seems compact too, which is a plus. The controller looks nice too.
Revolution: It's tiny, it's compact, it's nondescript in a nice way. I like that. There's not much about it out there yet. I'm very curious to see what they have done with the controller; Nintendo usually come up with designs which suit my dainty hands well.
In the end there's nothing at all there to convince me to take an interest in any of the successors. It's all about the games, and so far there are none which interest me.
Specs are all very well, but I don't take much notice of them, nor do I trust them very far. Companies exaggerate. Power has to be used to be any good, and I've seen nothing so far about how easy any of these consoles will be to program for. Besides, it's not just about having bigger numbers and more dofalps these days; it's also about how it all works together.
More online focus, crammed into all three consoles in more ways than before, and I still don’t care about it. Gah! Games please, not stats to show off to people on another continent.
People have been predicting the death of the PC as a gaming platform through … 3 lots of next-gen consoles (if you include this new batch), probably longer, and always with the same arguments and counterarguments. We’re all still here.
It is all about the games. I take it you haven't seen the new Zelda trailer and screens. Holy **** it looks good ~D I think it's going to be the best Zelda ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by frogbeastegg
Please stop with the "PC will die debate". PC gaming will be around for a looong time yet... mark my words.
I've not found much on the Zelda trailer yet; people are talking, but no one is linking. But it's on the gamecube anyway, unless it has been moved and all those nice (read: annoying) people obsessing over how console X is going to take console Y and [insert generic chain of teenage fanboy insults here] because it has [insert feature/part/company/free bananas here] I found some new screenshots of Zelda; it still looked like a gamecube game to me.
I've only been idly looking at the biased coverage on Eurogamer; there's not been anything which made me sufficiently curious to wander over to IGN and/or gamespot to be annoyed by further hyping there.
i like the new design for the console, but the controller i don't like, it looks like they are going for the megadrive six button controller look, except with more curve and less angle on the handles.
i hope the old controllers still work on it, i heard everything else is backward compatible.
thanks,
dizzy
The videos from E3 on the PS3 graphics look juicy
:happyg:
What pisses me off is that the new Xbox will probably only be backwards compatible with the best sellers from the old system. Since I have spent some time amassing an Xbox collection, this is a bit of an annoyance.
So long the PC is used en-masse there will be a market for PC Games. But then again, who's to say PC and consoles cannot be combined in the future? ~:)
:charge:
Nintendo is going to blow away everyone tomorrow, or not, time will tell... ~:cool:
I'll start off by saying that the screenshot is awesome. Moreover, this is just an EARLY PS3 game. Does anyone remember PS2 games from 2002 or 2003, or how their graphics were quite inferior to the graphics of present day PS@ games? So that is most likely not a very good image of the all the PS3's power. Next, the XBOX 360, meaning it will go full circle from being chunky and having weak game... to being smaller and having weak games (plus it's Microsoft). The revolution seems like a good prospect, but if games are just like they are now (somewhat childish) I don't see myself approaching it.
As for PC games, no they won't be beaten by any console game, simple because of the freedom given to computer games compared to console gamers.
EDIT: I've just seen what the PS3 will look like, and I'm going to have toagree that the silver one looks like a scanner.
The revolution will be 3 times as powerful as the cube, the PS3 will be 30 times as powerfull as the PS2. I hope nintendo knows what they are doing, I am still a nintendo fanboy at heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoros of Myr
come on sega, now all we need is the SUPER ULTRA SATURN/ MEGA-Drive/ master system to come out and be a decade ahead of its competition.
thanks,
dizzy
The PS3 looks impressive but I'm skeptical as to whether some of those in-game clips aren't 'rigged' so as to provide an unrealistic impression of what gamers can expect to see all the time onscreen. Meaning I'm almost of the mindset that some of those sequences were scripted demos designed to show off graphics and rendering ability without the presence of things like AI, dynamic sound, typical sized maps/levels, etc., all of which would seriously affect the framerate.
One thing for sure is that Nintendo is probably going to be the only manufacturer to make money off of each console sold. They were the only one to do so with the current generation of consoles. The Gamecube is a marvel of modern engineering, efficiency and cost effectiveness and the Revolution looks to be more of the same.
Sony and MS are once again going to lose money on each PS3 and XB360 sold, and probably moreseo than they did with the PS2 and XB. Both consoles are so loaded with state of the art chips and whatnot that they might as well be specialized multimedia PCs! Incurring a loss on each unit sold is not a problem provided the games sell well but MS could be in serious trouble if they repeat the XBox's debut and fail to get several AAA titles out the door as soon as the XB360 ships.
Manufacturers always do rigged things. Remember RTW? It was all dressed up in bells and ribbons, but we get the final product and find the AI is just about capable of running into a brick wall, rather than fighting you with the tactical superiority of Alexander the Great. It will probably be the same with the 'Next Generation Consoles'.Quote:
The PS3 looks impressive but I'm skeptical as to whether some of those in-game clips aren't 'rigged' so as to provide an unrealistic impression of what gamers can expect to see all the time onscreen. Meaning I'm almost of the mindset that some of those sequences were scripted demos designed to show off graphics and rendering ability without the presence of things like AI, dynamic sound, typical sized maps/levels, etc., all of which would seriously affect the framerate.
Yeah that's the problem, they're like printers, they sell you the hardware cheap but then make you pay through the nose for the software.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraxis
New console games cost an outrageous AU$120 but I can go into my local EB store and buy slightly out of date budget PC titles for $7.75.
I agree with you totally...but has anyone else realised something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spino
This site contains people knowledgable about compututing but how effective IS cell? I mean isn't a lot of processors going to have a high latency? And surely without some really high tech stuff it's all going to cost a fortune nd they're going to lose a lot of money per unit sold? Then when the price comes down...oh the pain.
I think Xbox 360 will have good games but it looks like PS3 is going to wipe the floor again unless MS has something up it's sleeve.
Has nyone else realsied that power doesn't mean too much a lot of the time? The TV has quite a small resolution so you don't need a gigantic increase in power to get a good frame rate...
If I am wrong...please correct me...I have no qualifications of any sort ~D
The more advanced television sets have about the same resolution as a monitor, I believe the new consoles will support up to 1028:7sumthing. Xbox is dead and burried if you ask me, the ps3 is twice as powerfull. We may see something interesting from nintendo, only 3 times as powerful as the cube but nintendo have always been strange, and succesful.Quote:
Originally Posted by ah_dut
Yeah but how many TVs are there out there that support it? Only one of my friends has a HDTV and I go to a relatively decent school...the kids are pretty rich ( well some of them)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I just said power is not that important...it depends on how you use that power I think...and the games.
Revolution will probably work out well...as Ninty has a good way with making good games, a cheap console that they make money out of and they may well use this power more efficiently as opposed to brute force
That killzone image isn't an in-game screenshot. It's a prerendered movie. I'd advise you to disregard it entirely.
What I like about the Revolution is that it will be backwards compatible with all past Nintendo games (NES, SNES, GB, GBC, N64, etc...). The cartridge games will be made downloadable off the internet (I'm guessing you'll then burn them to a CD/DVD. Might be able to download them straight to Hard Drive - not sure yet.)
This is great, because newer consoler games don't really do anything for me, whereas I love reliving my past NES/SNES/GC/64 days.
If I had the money, I would most likely buy the revolution for this fact alone.