Byzantine Prince has been permanently banned!!!! ~:eek: :furious3:
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Byzantine Prince has been permanently banned!!!! ~:eek: :furious3:
hoooorayyyy!!!!!!111
wonder why...
For what? I've probably butted heads with him as much as anyone and if anything, I thought he had gotten to be more considerate in the past few days.
It was almost as though his comments that murdering children might be fun and we shouldn't judge the perpetrators as evil purged the last of the bile from his system. We still probably wouldn't see eye to eye in 99% of the issues out there, but the eye-poking direct antagonism he's famous for was starting to take a more respectful tone.
Wow what did he do this time? His posts seemed a bit more reasoned lately and his thread on peeps pics is quite enjoyable even if me and Don did hi jack it in a slightly different direction.
What could he have possibly done that actually outshined his past foolishness enough to actually ban him permanently this time?
Who does the org plan on replacing BP with for all my questions on Albanian Blood Feuds now? Hm?
The poor boy, having to live without the .Org... unable to post and unable to read the backroom... A minute's silence, please... oh, wait, Byzantine Prince was banned? I must have misread, that's fine then...
I don't think that I have scuffled with him *ponders over time here* hmm... what ashame, I always wanted to do that...
Why?!Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
BP was the spice of this forum......
no not exactly. but what did he do. dont get me wrong, he was pretty funny, but also very mean
I'm not surprised....he seemed to moderate (sic) his posts ....but every now and then, he would let himself down.
A full life ban does seem a bit draconian....perhaps a period of reflection and another extended period of re-habilitation......just to keep an eye on him...
Now I shall shut my mouth becadse I have no idea why this occured....
knowing this lot (ORG STAFF ) it must have been serious..
I say set Krast on him...and may GOd have mercy on his Soul :bow:
Carefull my friend, this is the backroom, we are NASTY here ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1
Yep you are NASTY. To be honest i quite liked BP. Although he could be really smug and mean at times. Life with out the .org is meaningless. It is the meaning of life! Oh well good bye BP. ~:wave:
~D
Yeah, if the mods (Kukri, Pape or Ser C) banned him from life, it must have been big. My inquiry was more related to curiousity and the fact that I'm a terrible gossip than questioning their judgement.
just curious, what does a banning entail? can the banned still log in, but not post anywhere, or are they banned from logging in? will the account be deleted at some point?
Ya pays yer dime - ya takes yer chances.
I'm curious as to what he did but, alas, I'm sad to say I probably won't miss him. Just too negative for the sake of being negative.
All depends on what constraints the adminstrator places on your account. There is a topic in the Watchtower where it seems Tosa has the ability to ban you completely from the site. There is also the Banning that happened to DD - where he could post everywhere but the Tavern - and I believe it was limited down to just the back room.
I don't know about the delete part though.
Having been warned and sanctioned by the moderators several times myself - it takes a lot to get yourself banned from from any particlur area and even more to get banned from the .org completely.
Us habitual offenders always need to beware of going to far - at least for a month or two after our previous sanction.
Obviousily BP ran afoul again and the moderators felt it was necessary to take an even futher and more severe action.
And you are next BUAHAHAHAHHAAHAAAAAAAAAAA urghQuote:
Originally Posted by tibilicus
Noooooooooooooooooooo! He was on my mod team :embarassed:
^^Well that's not good^^ ~:(
I, too, must wonder why he was banned, echoing the Don's reasons.
Crazed Rabbit
damn, why cant someone say what he did. btw the backroom will never be nastier than my room or me.
The nick King of atlantis was never more apropiate ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
I think this thread belongs in the Watchtower.
From my point of view, a permanent ban should be reserved for the most foul offenses--threatening members, attempting to sabotage the board or raid the database for information, etc. I can see banning for a long time (a month, a quarter, even a year for gross and ongoing behavioral offenses), but permanent banning just seems ... weak to me. However, given my perceptions of the ultimate power here, based on a long period of acute observation both here and elsewhere, the use of this "Draconian" (good word, btw) approach does not surprise me. Ultimately, this is a "benevolent dictatorship," and not a democracy by any means.
BP could be crass, snide, undisciplined and very offensive--not uncommon in young men of his age and circumstance. But he also added flavor and drama to the mix here, albeit quite sour and noir oftentimes. Most young men change as they experience more life and interact with other people. If all the "mature" and "enlightened" people shunned and banished those who were not ... well, it's not hard to understand what I'm getting at.
I will miss his presence, and if the rumor of a permanent ban is true, my opinion of this board just took a big step down. My tuppence worth.
Why?!
What has he done???????
Mods, may you please explain?!
edyzmedieval, this probably should have gone in the watchtower, or in pm to a mod.
Personally, I think BP will be back.
BP: "All be back."
:book:
It might have something to do with the confession of a mad man topic. He was rather rude in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Just bad judgement if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by the tokai
mods we really would like a reason...
Unfortunately, I am not sure the mods available to post right now know much more about this than anyone else here. When we do find out, I am sure an explanation will be given. It might be an idea if people hold fire until TosaInu or someone else in the know is available to reply to this thread.
I don't want to stirr the flames I've just tried to quench. However, I feel compelled to say that from a personal point of view, I found BP's first post in the confessions of a mad man thread in the Frontroom to be appalling. And it was in marked contrast to the many fine, warm-hearted and uplifting contributions made by other posters in that thread.
Simon i agree with you, but he did later appologize for it.
You better watch the title of this thread. Calling for a revolt could cause a lifetme ban. ~;)
The mods have their reasons for everything. Questioning them helps nothing.
This is not totaly true. Its all in your approach. If you ask them diplomaticly and in private you can be sure they will repond honestly and consider your positin. If you drag your dirty laundry into the public arena and scream for revolt you will likely recieve a very different reaction.Quote:
The mods have their reasons for everything. Questioning them helps nothing.
Gawain is wise, he speaks the truth.
Well yeah, that's what I meant. Of course it's good to talk with the mods over something that you feel is unfair, but only privately and non confrontationally. Otherwise, things just get worse.
Well theres nothing better than personal experience to teach someone what to expect. Ive been guilty of calling for revolution here myself. It got me no where fast . I thought shoeing everyone how unfair they were would wise them up. In reality it was me who needed the awakening.
I see nothing wrong with a public inquiry--but it's true that it should be presented with tact and diplomacy if the goal is an honest and attentive consideration of your point of view. Those in power are humans too. For this very reason, questioning authority is important from time to time--they have emotions, limits to their perception, personal biases, and can sometimes overreact. They do not have a monopoly on good judgement, and err from time to time, just like the rest of us.
I am not suggesting this is the case in regard to BP. I am responding to the comments about questioning authority and the manner in which this is done.
Those in authority here are no different from those in power anywhere else--they will advocate private contention because public airing of such views could stir the pot and make many others aware of a perceived problem, potentially making the situation more difficult to handle. This isn't always a bad thing however ... sometimes "worthy" compaints are swept under the carpet because there was no impetus behind them. The larger the number of patrons behind an issue, the more impetus the issue will have. Then again, if those in power are entrenched and determined to have it their way, there is little anyone in a community such as this can do about it. Hence I agree with the position that it is often pointless. But pointless as it may be, it still can be a matter of principle.
IMDHO, a community that makes a habit of not questioning authority is a community of "sheep."
Well you vcan check with the mods they will tell you Im certainly no sheep. The point is that its always best to try to settle things in private with them. You can never get anywhere dragging t out in puvlic unless its dona as has been said with tact. I believe thats why the watchtower exists.Quote:
IMDHO, a community that makes a habit of not questioning authority is a community of "sheep."
Isn't the point of these threads just to find out WHY people get banned so we can all try to avoid making the same mistake ourselves ?
I have faith in the mods, but I'm curious too ~:cheers:
I will not associate myself with any sort of "revolt", whatever that means.
This is someone's personal site, and he and the people he appoints to run it can ban someone if and when they feel like it.
This is not a democracy or a dictatorship, its an internet forum - and demanding answers from the people who run said forum is idiotic.
I hope you didn't take my comment about "sheep" personally Gawaine ... that was in response to SteppeMerc's original comment about the seeming pointlessness of questioning authority, and was not directed at anyone personally. My comments about the manner in which authority is questioned were made in response to what you said.
I would not deliberately insult you m8.
And rude. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
I know that old friend and no insult was taken believe me. I understood what you said but just wanted to blow off some steam. Cant have people thinkng I a wuss you know :bow:Quote:
I would not deliberately insult you m8.
Toga, in "real" life I'd agree with you, but really, who are we to question someone else's rules on the internet? We're just lucky that this site exists. They don't really owe it to us, we owe it to them. Not that mods are always right, but questioning them like this never really helps much...
And it's not like BP hasn't had numerous chances...
I disagree. This is a virtual community. It is a very real part of "real life" in this day and age. Without patrons, what would this site be? Absolutely nothing. Yes, we are fortunate that this site exists. We are fortunate to have such a high quality staff here. Yes, we owe it to us--all of us--to abide by the community's agreed upon code of conduct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Whether questioning helps depends upon what is being questioned, how the question is being put forward, and how the question is heard, judged and acted upon. Feedback is a critical element for adaptation and growth.
Yes, BP has had many chances. My interest here does not center on him and his situation specifically, but on the implications of his situation, how it has been addressed, and its affect on the community as a whole.
It is indeed important for patrons to tell us what they think. The problem starts when the patrons start believing the site is some kind of democracy. That is simply not a good way to run a message board. However-we are ultimately responsible to you-if we started behaving like a bunch of despots, and you all left, we wouldn't have much of a forum.
Well to me, questioning the authority of the mods and giving feedback is totally different. But I think we are really just arguing semantics here, as I don't think that privately, or even calmy asking questions in the watchtower is bad. I guess it's really is how it's delievered that matters...
I agree, and I'm not questioning their authority. I and others are inquiring about the specific circumstances that led the "permament" banning of a patron. This is an important issue in my eyes.
I must clarify that I do not support any notions of a "revolt." I reflexively ignored such silliness and addressed what I perceived to be the "meat" of the issue. The title of this thread is unfortunate as it lends a negative overtone to a significant issue.
A question that I have is: was BP permanently banned from the entire site, or just the Backroom? If the latter, then I think that, given BP's persistent lack of self control, this might very well be a fitting punishment. But a permanent ban from the entire site is the equivalent of a "death sentence" in the context of this community, and I do not think this is a good policy to support.
I think people are getting a bit hung up on this 'permanent' bit. It just means 'until decided otherwise' not 'for ever and ever and ever'.
I do know he was banned from the backroom before, regarding certaint rude behavior regarding a historical debate. I don't think this was called permanant, however...
It just so sad for all involved really.....
I, too woulld like to understand the reasons for the ban...I missed the (deleted) posts...prolly playing a game ~:cool:
But a permanent...or semi-permanent ban to a member ,if applied should be transparent in this community..even in anothers house it shouldn't be a fate accompli ....just in the interest of transparency.
:bow:
We're all driving past a car accident asking the other passengers "What happened?"
The cops aren't saying a word. :policeman: "Shhhhh!"
Heh, ironic since I just got into an accident the other day... bastard didn't stop, either. Fortuanatly my little brother was ok (he was riding in the front passenger seat), and my car wasn't ruined, just very hurt.
you are all missing the bigger picture here.. now that BP is freed of the org, what havoc will he wreak on the real world?!? i mean, steppe, did you get a good look at the person that hit you??? i'm just saying.....
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https://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5986/bp9wt.jpg
It reminds me of Gitmo. We have been given no reason for BPs ban .Did he have a fair tribunal? Other boards are accusing us of mentally torturing him . Who represented him in this matter. Our fearless leaders tell us nothing :hide: :hanged:Quote:
Heh, ironic since I just got into an accident the other day... bastard didn't stop, either. Fortuanatly my little brother was ok (he was riding in the front passenger seat), and my car wasn't ruined, just very hurt.
Really people have some paitence. Im sure they will tell us when their ready. Has anyone tried PMing 1?
PS
edyzmedieval must know or can find out why. How else would he be the first to know BP is banned if BP didnt tell him so? So whats the story edyzmedieval ?
I imagine none ~D . It's not like he's been "cut off", he can still log on and view things. I believe he is just unable to post.Quote:
now that BP is freed of the org, what havoc will he wreak on the real world?!
besides, we all know no one can survive on their own once they've spent a month here...
I don't think he was banned for a particular post so much as the total of 12+ warning points. I would say flood control at level 12 warning points must be pretty long.
It will of course get reviewed in PMs, emails and the Watchtower.
See I told you theyd tell us. ~D Im sure the situtation will be further clarified soon.
thanx papewajo, sorry if in my other post i sounded demanding, i was just a little curious. ~:)
Now i lost my map maker..... :bigcry:
It is a shame he has gone - seemingly so - his posts of late seemed a bit better, though I agree that he has ridden his luck something rotten.
generally speaking the mods do a brilliant job, so if he was banned I am sure it was a well reasoned out decision.
I got the feeling that this is only beginning… Of course, I might be wrong, but I know that I am going to have some fun in the next weeks, watching Troll heads roll. :thumbsup:
It seems that this thread actually turned into an interesting discussion over night (I'd like too note that most interesting things in the Backroom seem to happen while I am asleep - go figure).
Some comments on the issue(s) at hand (and no - this is not any highly official statement you might be looking for - it's just my personal take):
1) The term "banned permanently" might be a bit misleading. Some observant org-patrons might note that BP's account is still active, other than the accounts of a certain ex-patron who decided to flood the Watchtower some time ago.
2) This is not the first step of a larger scheme to round up all "evil-doers" and get rid of them ("nobody has the intention to build a wall" ... uhm ... j/k)
3) Open discussions of org policy are always welcome and encouraged. If somebody has the feeling that something is going awfully wrong here, he/she should speak up - though I agree with most patrons here that first checking via PM instead of posting several "Revolt" threads might be a more appropriate and constructive way of doing so.
4) We will resolve this issue as soon as possible - we have no reason or intention to "hide" anything here, however, please bear with us as with the weekend and the 4th of July in the US ahead of us we cannot guarantee a 24h turnaround time.
One more personal comment at the end - I'd like to point out that we are not talking about some innocent saint here who has been crucified. As Pape correctly pointed out we are talking about quite a number of warnings that have been accumulated over time - it should not be surprising that this would result in some kind of consequences at a certain point.
Best regards and thanks for your attention :bow:
Ser Clegane
'Permanently' has an actual definition. It can be found in any dictionary. To use it as an intensifier is imbecilic.
Note: to be honest you can't realy start revolt on the web!
Hello,
Moved to Watchtower.
All I can say now (can not trying to hide something), is that Byzantine Princes banning is a result of a script doing something by itself.
While the record is pretty impressive, I'm confused about the ban as well: last time I saw his account it was warning level 6, now it's 8 and he's banned: shouldn't be.
The last ACP recorded warning to Byzantine Prince, was issued in the Frontroom.
I don't have time to investigate what's going on right now, so I'll try (try as software has its own will) to lift his ban. But, as the last incident was in the Tavern, he'll not have access to that place.
Edit: ban appears to be lifted. Will try to find out what happened asap.
So if I'm reading right, the board automatically bans posters if they go above a certain warning level?
I didn't know that. Thanks for that Tosa. :bow:
Like any AI, the .org still has some bugs in the system. Let's just hope it doesn't go insane and ban us all, running the .org for it's own purposes and only letting google spiders in...Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
it's like skynet!!!!!! :shocked:
:end:
Well, I noticed that BP was banned because under his profile name, it was Permanently Banned. Although this might let you say that he did it, there's some other proof. He had at the number of bans: 2... Instead of 1 before he got banned.... Also, I checked his profile and I could not PM him....The link to the message-creator was not there.... Only send an email to him.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Any other questions?!
Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
So are you assuming he was permantly banned or did you ask one of the moderators via PM or email?
Because from what you describe here - it seems to be an assumption on your part. Notice Tosa's explaination above.
of course, when it reads "Permanently Banned" under his user name, assumption is a minor sin, at worst...
Thank you for the clarification, gents. Nice to read that all is well in Orgville. Happy holiday weekend to those that celebrate American Independence Day.
Happy Canada DAY!!! ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin
Just me,
BP ~:grouphug:
prole has her.. playmate.. back. how sweet. ~;)
Close?
Watchtower has enough trivial threads as it is imho.
I think it might be appropriate if either Barocca or Tosa explained this.
Being excluded by a moderator (et al) ...is one thing....but to be banned by a 'bot' is , to say the least disturbing.....
I just dont think that the computer should have the option of closing peoples accounts...if it has to be done ....it MUST be a human...
I hope this isn't a trend.
Byzantine Princes banning was the result of a script side effect: Tavern access restored.
I install scripts InsaneApache.
Most of the script is 'standard'. Human staff decides how it's supposed to work and currently staff is looking to reconfig it (now with this side effect popping up, I did check several cases to test, it also needs some upgrading).
I know where this concern is coming from, I think: the 'sorry no human fault it's the computer mistake' excuse. I Installed the script, so I am resposible. Bug me with it, at infinitum if you wish.
The previous board did spit members out of the database, just like that. Why it happened? No idea, blame me. Luckily all reported erased accounts could be restored from backup.
didnt knew this thread had so many pages and didnt read beyond the first
Glad to hear he wasn't permanently banned. He does spice things up sometimes.
Unlike horse archer and his subsequent login names. That guy seemed to be a tad too disruptive.
Thank you for the information Tosa. Great site BTW. Well organized and moderated.
Regards,
DA
I can attest that sometimes the automated warner does wierd things. I was threatened (not officially warned) by some automated message that said I had used an inapropriate word. I was quite confused, until I found out that Tosa was testing the system, and had chosen some random word that I had typed.
So I can say that if some automated thingy is giving you problems, just ask Tosa or someone, and they'll get to the bottom of it. ~D
Krast'll just have him laugh himself to death... no, I say Vanya!Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
I see one post by abokasee here. omg it was a bartixian invasion ~:eek:
~Wiz