G8 protester block roads

Well, my noble brethren of the Org, the G8 is upon us, and as one of the closest members to the summit, I can report on what the protesters have done this year.

So far, all trains going through Stirling have been stopped, so all East-West rail traffic has been stopped.

The road from Edinburgh to Perth, the M9/A9, has also been blocked, so there is very little North-South traffic.

Unfortunately, I am now stuck in Dundee. Admittedly, I could go to Fife, or Aberdeen, but they are not terribly nice places...

All of Tayside Police have gone to other places, so Dundee is devoid of police, except for a mere skeleton force, which doesn't do much. There are no police on the beat, but thankfully, the neds are not clever enough to take advantage of the fact that there are very little police...

The march near the hotel was called off by the Police, but was started again at 12.40 because of protests near the Scottish Executive and Parliament in Edinburgh...

Hopefully there shall be a few nice riots to watch on the news the night...

Hopefully no riots near you..... pack some food and water and be prepared to flee if the rioters come near you.

I live just a few miles from the airport they are arriving at. Haven't seen Air Force One come in yet

A heck of a lot of helicopter gunships ~:)

what's wrong with Aberdeen and Fife?
I'd like to be there to see the massive security operations.

They are coming in at Prestwick, isn't it? I heard that the U.S. Marines are coming to guard the aeroport. If they are, then you better be careful they don't shoot you, their aim, and ability to distinguish friend and foe are not terribly good...

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Originally Posted by King Malcolm

They are coming in at Prestwick, isn't it? I heard that the U.S. Marines are coming to guard the aeroport. If they are, then you better be careful they don't shoot you, their aim, and ability to distinguish friend and foe are not terribly good...

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Yep thats the one.

I cant move about much :no:

The US marines is one of the greatest fighting forces in the world wether you are a cook or in the infantry you WILL be trained to be a great rifle man. In the marines no matter what you do you Are a rifle man first.

Send the marines north to Stirling and sort out the rioters - they were preventing injured police from receiving treatment at the hospital in the city.

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Originally Posted by ceasar010

The US marines is one of the greatest fighting forces in the world wether you are a cook or in the infantry you WILL be trained to be a great rifle man. In the marines no matter what you do you Are a rifle man first.

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Still below the Scottish Infantry, so weesht. Whilst they are in Scotland, they are always not good enough...

we got numbers behind us :charge:


I will shut up now cause i dont want this to go off topic

Do the majority of these people even know what they're protesting? The knuckleheads that are getting all the media coverage seem to be more interested in breaking stuff or assaulting people than actually accomplishing anything meaningful.

I think that they are just anarchists, protesting against government. I can't say anarchy is very appealling -- look at Somalia

Ahem - Somalia does not have anarchy. Somalia has quite the opposite.

Anarchy means without leaders, not without order. Somalia has lots of leaders - all kicking seven cans of sh*t out of each other with no order.

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

Do the majority of these people even know what they're protesting? The knuckleheads that are getting all the media coverage seem to be more interested in breaking stuff or assaulting people than actually accomplishing anything meaningful.

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The media prefer to write stories about a good scrap.

A small number of protesters enjoy a good scrap, a small number of the police will be up for it too. The vast majority are more interested in making a political point than smashing a few car windows.

Well stay safe Malcom. Most protestors usually aren't intrested in fighting, it's the nutters that do that cause the problems. That said, I don't know much about anarchist and anti globlistation protestors in genera, or even their political views.

do you have a water cannon in scotland? i like watching the protesters get hosed down, however, the g8 anarchists have nothing on the south korean students when it comes to breaking police lines :)

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Originally Posted by Idaho

Ahem - Somalia does not have anarchy. Somalia has quite the opposite.

Anarchy means without leaders, not without order. Somalia has lots of leaders - all kicking seven cans of sh*t out of each other with no order.

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Ah this one is just to easy Idaho - someone needs to check their defination of anarchy. The word has two meanings one is about order and one is about leaders. Somalia actually fits the describtion of anarchy very well.

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1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order

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Does Somalia have a working government that is in control of the country and who's authority is the rule of the land?

Its sounds like German Shepherds are in order.

Oh and Marines are excellently trained with rifles.. i dont know where you got that from Malcolm unless youre joking. ~:confused:

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Its sounds like German Shepherds are in order.

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I have to agree. Peaceful protest/civil disobedience in support of a cause are always to be respected.

Rioting, on the other hand, should be put down with maximum speed and violence before innocent folks get hurt.

It was getting a bit rough near the hotel - chinook loads of riot troops had to be flown in as the rioters managed to bring down part of the security fence.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Its sounds like German Shepherds are in order.

Oh and Marines are excellently trained with rifles.. i dont know where you got that from Malcolm unless youre joking. ~:confused:

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I understood it to be a joke about American friendly fire.

German sheperds? Surely there are better ways, that wouldn't put innocent animals and possibely innocent people in jeoprady...

If it gets to out of hand call in the tear gas :charge:

I wouldnt worry too much about the Shephards.. they love that sort of thing.(The ripping and tearing of anarchist flesh, that is. ~D )

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Originally Posted by Steppe Merc

German sheperds? Surely there are better ways, that wouldn't put innocent animals and possibely innocent people in jeoprady...

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War elephants. I bet that'd break up a riot right quick. ~D

The german shepherds were in action earlier today, not sure if they let them loose. Its funny when the losers taunt the police and then they get some teeth marks ~:)

Um, I'd just like to say it's not always entirely the protestors fault, but it sort of seems like it in this case.

Im not against the anti-poverty protesters in anyway. Its the anarchists who - are there for no other reason than to cause trouble - that need sorting out.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Its sounds like German Shepherds are in order.

Oh and Marines are excellently trained with rifles.. i dont know where you got that from Malcolm unless youre joking. ~:confused:

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Wasn't there something in the news some time ago where an Italian hostage who had been released by terrorists in Iraq was shot on the way to the airport by marines?

Yeah cause the car didn't stop at a marine checkpoint. The marines have to protect themselves you know. Its a war and in war its them or us. They had no ideal she was in that car, their was no heads up on the situation. So..... they picked themselves over a potential terriorist. Would you not do the same?

But anyways this is completely off topic.

Exactly, Italian incompetence is not the fault of the Marines.

I would have thought that it was obvious that they would fly from my bit to Gleneagles but some folk put trees on the road expecting them to go by road ~D

Redleg, on anarchy, I like your definition:

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1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order

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But I think Idaho is talking about meaning 1c; you're talking about 1b. In a Utopian society, complete freedom won't lead to political disorder (or the kind of things we make laws about).

BTW, I believe part of Somalia - IIRC the north, Somaliland? - has a decent government. However, no international body will recognise it as it, as it is a kind of breakaway from the warlordism in the South.

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Originally Posted by Simon Appleton

Redleg, on anarchy, I like your definition:



But I think Idaho is talking about meaning 1c; you're talking about 1b. In a Utopian society, complete freedom won't lead to political disorder (or the kind of things we make laws about).

BTW, I believe part of Somalia - IIRC the north, Somaliland? - has a decent government. However, no international body will recognise it as it, as it is a kind of breakaway from the warlordism in the South.

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Oh I think I know which one he was talking about - but he did attempt to correct another individual who also used the word correctly - within the definition of the word. Just like I said - he made it to easy.

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Do the majority of these people even know what they're protesting? The knuckleheads that are getting all the media coverage seem to be more interested in breaking stuff or assaulting people than actually accomplishing anything meaningful.

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I think that they are just anarchists, protesting against government. I can't say anarchy is very appealling -- look at Somalia

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1-wonton destruction is not arachy, bunch of pricks stealing our fire and giving us a bad name. When anarchists destroy stuff it is focused on those that repress i.e. cops that abuse their power during protests.
2-the media covers these people because they are a bunch of sensationalists, who don't know jack take this for example
Groups including the Black Block movement-Black Bloc is not a movement, its a tactic, masked protestors who commit direct action and protect protestors from brutality (read un-arresting).
and this is my favorite http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=731222005
Those guys are a group (notice a group not a tactic) known as CIRCA (Clandestine Insurgent Rebel Clown Army). They don't riot they act stupid, its messing with heads. They are blocking traffic ect, getting between protestors and cops when things heat up, but how can you attack a clown.
3-Anarchy is a political theory about having complete freedom. So althought Malcolm is gramatically correct the meaning in wrong. Anarchists believe in no government or authority. And that people are quite able to handle themselves without control from above. No class, ect.

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That said, I don't know much about anarchist and anti globlistation protestors in genera, or even their political views.

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nice people, they'll help you out.
There I've had my say.

Demonstrations is so... Neanderthal... We have internet, modern media, ability to communicate and still people have to behave like 10,000 years ago.......

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Exactly, Italian incompetence is not the fault of the Marines.

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Long lost conjecttures of ancient kingdoms in Europe, all right, the romans are the spawn of all evil and chaos.

It seems strange that the gun-tootin', trigger happy types on this thread who are usually so down on state power and claim to stand up for the rights of people over the government seem so happy to align themselves with the oppressive forces of the state.

Scratch a conservative and you'll find a fascist.

Well, I like seeing Police cracking heads as much as the next guy if it is justified. If the Protesters don't start anything violent, than nothing violent will happen to them. I don't think Protesters would be too keen on recieiving a Highlander Charge of Angry Scottish Police Officers so chances are like just about every other G8 Conference that after the initial dust settles nothing will be accomplished by the Protesters... and nothing violent will happen. The protestors have come out in larger numbers because the UK isn't a very uncivilized place, I remember a couple years ago that the Summit was in Honduras and less than 500 Protestors went... why? Because the Honduran Government has Paramilitary forces who would love to crack Protestor heads for no apparent reason. I think the country and it's rather violent past scared off a lot of people.

You should have seen the pictures on the news last night...
Hundreds of riot police charging into the protesters where they breached the security fence. More police taken by a chinook to the action. My local paper (the Courier) has the headline "Battle of Gleneagles", and the Daily Mail has "The Siege of Gleneagles"...

Some interesting things in the skies this morning, though. A large plane with a few fighter escorts, inumberable military helicopters, including RN air ambulances, and a good many jets overhead.

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If the Protesters don't start anything violent, than nothing violent will happen to them.

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Not always. Sometimes it is the police who start it, or often a mixture of both.

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

War elephants. I bet that'd break up a riot right quick. ~D

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i'm certian the anarchists have flaming pigs.... ~;)

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Originally Posted by t1master

i'm certian the anarchists have flaming pigs.... ~;)

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Not very nice way to talk about their girlfriends... ~;)