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live without power, tap water, phone service
What would happen to you if your society could no longer provide you (or those around you) with the suppor infrastructure all good civilized people come to depend upon?
Whether its a natural or civil disaster (think earthquake or plague or economic collapse), if tomorrow you had no power from the grid, no fresh food from the grocer, no water fromn the tap (and all those around you suffered similarly)
how long would you last?
It would really depend on where I was. I'm an Eagle Scout, and actually, I have this crazy romantic fanstasy about quitting my job, buying 100 acres up in very northern Maine and living the Jeremiah Johnson life (I love that movie) only, w/out the Pawnee raid at the end. I'd be sure to keep my ass out of their burial grounds.
Anyway, to your original question, as long as clean water and decent soil, hopefully some game were around, I think I'd be okay. Access to gunpowder would be good, but not necessary. How catastrophic are we talking? Nuclear winter?
Not necessarily nuclear winter, just imagine there was no power or water or food being delivered to the local grocerQuote:
How catastrophic are we talking? Nuclear winter?
ichi :bow:
But clean water supplies, fertile soil and relatively available amounts of game nearby?
You should have made the poll responses viewable. When I say I'd form a new community, perhaps I should say I'd go pioneer style. My family would be rather clannish, but the one thing this patriarch would institute would be 'get your women from the other side of the mountain, bring your sister along to trade, not use'.
Water- Gah! I lived without running water for five years. There was a natural spring about 200' back of the house and the water was very good. In the winter it could be a bit of a drag to walk through the snow, crawl into the oversized doghouse that covered the spring and then chip through a foot of ice to get to the water, but you got used to it. Always, always terrible to have not saved enough water from the day before to make your morning coffee. Waking up at sunrise and having to trudge out there at -20 just to get enough to have coffee and make breakfast is horrid. Doing it when you have the flu is right up there with sticking your head in a blender.
Phone - Off and on for years. It can be a drag. You get used to it though. Makes for a very quiet house when you live alone.
Electricity - Close to a year. (No water or phone either.) You get used to no electricity very quickly. You cook outdoors in the summer or on a propane stove inside. You keep your food fresh in a cooler that you fill with cold water from the spring everyday. You put your food in bowls that float in the cold water. In the winter the house did get dark fast, but you had your propane lamps and you read a lot. The wood stove was a lifesaver. Breakfast on the wood stove is beyond comparison. Hint: cook potatos inside the wood stove, not on top. Put the pot right into the stove on the coals and close the doors most of the way. You get a mean boil very quickly.
Also, one gallon of boiling or very hot mixed with two gallons of ice water water makes for three gallons of water that is hot enough to wash with and enjoy.
Once you get the hang of it, living without the "essentials" is a breeze. Mind you, after five years with no running water, when I moved into a house that had it, I took three hot showers a day, every day, wether I needed it or not.
Damn ther aint much game to hunt around here. Well there is now but not if we all started hunting. Im still a good shot and nothing makes me quit , just incase you hadnt noticed ~:) ,Im a suvivior. I really hate eating gross food though. Thats the only thing I fear on Fear Factor yuk!!!!!
I could last a long time. Ive got some gas saved up and plenty of bullets so I would take my Rover and get the hell out of this city.
What really scares me is the type of thing that happened in War of the Worlds. Mobs should be avoided at all cost in such a situation. ~:eek:
Just out of curiosity, Ichi, are you asking this cause of War of the Worlds, or are you contemplating making your Utah existance a little tougher?
I find it interesting we're all assuming 'pioneer' style, not truly w/out contact. Beirut's coffee, Panzer's non-reloadable shells (unless you're planning on taking enough gunpowder & lead to reload all your brass), and such. What are you contemplating, Ichi-san?
Bah, Gawain. There's probably more rabbits in the suburbs now then there were in America for the past 400 years. Those alone could fill you right up. You add all the deer that now, instead of needing birth control would need to re-up their survival skills, yeah, i think I'd do okay. Again, I need more information on what scenario we're discussing.
If I am honest, probably not that long. A week? Month? A few months? I dunno. Not that long.
Probably a pretty good amount of time. We have a feed store we could go to to buy some seeds and we are fair gardeners with some nice arable land nearby. Also live out in the country so we could hunt, have two shotguns, lots of shells and a fair number of Pheasants and Deer nearby. We could also probably team up with nearby farmers and work for them as manual labor to replace their soon to be gas-less tractors with human power. It would be a big change, but we would probably survive.
Dude, you got less time than you think. It's Lefties like you I'd hunt first... thin out the predatory pool and what's more, I'm sure you've got a few tasty parts on ya. Finally, I wouldn't have to worry about you shooting back, as you don't believe in guns, so I don't imagine you'd be able to work one ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jag
Just kidding, I'm sure my tribe could use a philosopher. If you didn't find a way to keep morale HIGH through the winter though, I wouldn't hold out hopes for seeing the next Groundhog Day though. ~D If you know a lot about home brewing or distilling, you just might make it till Spring.
Grew up on a farm in NZ.
Worked in the Jungle of Indonesia.
Worked in the Outback of Australia.
I would survive all of a week maybe two. The fifth story of an apartment block is not ideal for growing your own food in at short notice.
Would we still have room service ??
Grew up in the rural area on farms and ranches -
As long as I had access to some water - be it a dug well, a stream, or any other vaible water source - I would do all right for a long time - depending what part of the country I am in. Its a little harder to survive in the north without having time to prepare for it - being the growing season is shorter - but game should be available (hopefully)
I would actually head north. Yes, growing season is easier down south but in the north 1) no need for refrigeration from October till April & 2) less chance of infection when you get cut/scratched. Bugs live better in the warm south too.
A junction box for the city went out and we lost all power for a few hours. It brought lots of people outside that I never ever see, but it made me think what would happen if the power didn't come back on.Quote:
What are you contemplating, Ichi-san?
After all, my laptop only has about 2 hours battery power, hardly enough to start a campaign.
and no, I haven't seen War of the Worlds (at least not since the original was last shown on TV)
I think a lot of people would have a very hard time after only a few days.
ichi :bow:
I would MISS a lot, but I would get along without it. What would bother me most is lack of adequate medical care. Also, without centralized communications, law enforcement breaks down. I guess it really matters on what scenario you're describing. If you mean 'no electricty again, for.... let's say 30 years' I think we'd do okay. But if no gas, no running water, no modern medicines such as antibodies... well, I don't hold out a lot of hope. I think I'd do okay, but I'd be miserable. I think a lot of people would die.Quote:
Originally Posted by ichi
If there was no concievable society to rebuild, i would probably join a right wing militia when my gas and ammunition ran low. I could do quite well for myself in a right wing militia, and in a no-government power vacuum, who would be more powerful than a paramilitary organization? ~;)
Post Service... ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
One big variable in the equation would be our knowledge of the extent of the trouble at the time of the trouble. If somehow, people knew 'that's it, we're going back to 1550 in terms of technology', they'd probably do better. If they didn't know they'd been deprived, permanently, well, they'd waste precious time waiting for the power to come back. By the same token, one can't head for the hills w/ everything they own every time the power goes out...
This is an interesting point, because one of the things I thought about while sitting in front of a dead PC was that if, or when, it happens, accurate information on the true situation might be hard to come by. I think a lot of people would hang on to the hope that all would be restored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
ichi :bow:
I have good bush skills, several non-firearm weapons, access to food animals, and a pretty damn productive vegie patch with plenty of seed supplies.
I reckon I'd be alright, if I could adapt within a couple of months, and if my food wasn't interfered with by marauding gangs/militias/whatever...
Mad &(*#ing Max ~:cool: . Just kidding. I do alot of the volunteer disaster relief stuff (CERT courses), do the Boy Scout thing and think a good idea is to throw some gear in a pack and spend the weekend in Kettle Moraine. I think I'd be fine, probably grab the people who are important to me and their families form a little community and live in the urban ruins, that's assuming apoclypse. But if the power's out for a while I just grab my guitar(acoustic) and jam out back till the power returns.
i voted "Many years- I'd team up with my neighbors and start fresh"
but what i really mean is "i would become local warlord, propelled to power by my impressive size and strength, keen intellect, and uncommonly brutal demeanor". assuming i have at least average stock in my area, i think i would establish a fairly strong dynasty.
Hard to say, plenty of parameters. Many survivors? Join or start up a local community. Very few survivors? Alot of looting to begin with.
Plaugue and avoid getting sick?
Hardest scenario as I would have to avoid looting, so I describe that. Although I haven't hunted I know enough eatable plants and stuff to survive until I've gotten some hunting skills and I know how to grow food, so the big problem would be the winter and how close I would be to it when this starts. Unprepared equals dead within weeks, but prepared possible survival.
Voted several months, but as described, much parameters to consider.
I could probably survive for months eating all the random tinned horrors that have accumilated in the cupboards of my house.
one word. Cannabalism. No one would be safe around me.
Let the dawn of the new Viking age begin!!! Who shall we raid first?
I would miss my electrical toys, but they're not essential for survival.
There's some advantages to being a Finn. People generally know how to get along without power for a while since it's so popular to live in the countryside during summer holidays. Agriculture is still important. Many hunters about, so there's knowledge in that department too. As long as I remember what I've learned and what old-timers have told me about life in the first half of the 20th century there should be no trouble.
Surviving on my own? No, I don't think I'm that tough. But I could be a valuable member of a group.
ooohoh shit Electrical TOYS......................TOYS...Electrical...do you know what i'm thinking......i could survive for a couple of weeks
Can we join? :medievalcheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
In real life i would just move two hundred kilometers NorthEast to my fathers family farm.There are well for water, grain,wegetables,livestock and i could also fish from the lake, hunt and gather berryes and mushrooms from the forest.Who cares about a electricity,the place have had electricity only 30 years anyway.Best of all its located on a island on a lake so intruders wouldnt be much of a problem. :bow:
... except for the vikings, of course. :wreck:Quote:
Originally Posted by kagemusha
The lake Puula is deep inside Finland.I dont think those coastrobbers couldnt carry their ships that far. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
I got plans :sneaky:Quote:
Originally Posted by kagemusha
No, I`ll head for america; lots of hamburgers there :charge:
Can i join your raiding party? ~:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
If you like hamburgers you`re welcome ~:grouphug: ~;)
Then of to America it is! :charge:Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
that brings up an interesting point. i'd have to go fallout boy style on most of my neighbors, so there would be less folks competing for the limited resources we'd have... this would be a good time to lift the ban on domestic dogs, especially the pitt bulls... ;)Quote:
It brought lots of people outside that I never ever see, but it made me think what would happen if the power didn't come back on.
i would last plenty long, granted i'd be able to sow some crops, barley, hops, hemp and her cousins... we could live on the stray dogs/cats for a while, untill we could rustle us up some proper grazing/herding beasts... and there are plenty of rivers here in indiana, don't know if i'd drink out of them now, but if there was no power, the factories wouldn't be muckin them all up... it might be sorta refreshing to return to our agrarian/hunter roots...
I had to spend 3 days out hiking in the highlands a few weeks back, which was quite easy. If we weren't carrying our own food, there was plenty of deer, rabbits, sheep, and other edible animals. Fresh water can be obtained from burns and rivers. There are a good number of bothies about from which one can get shelter.