Check out the new unit by advancing past the monk.
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Check out the new unit by advancing past the monk.
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It won't let advance past the monk.
EDIT; I monkeyed around a bit and got to them. Late legionaries wooo!
i don`t see any new unit yet....just same that old catholic priest
Coldfish - Press the arrow button at the bottom with advance written on it and it will then show the new unit.
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yes,yes...i`ved tryied that....still no new unit
Try refreshing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldfish
He is carrying the javelins with a 30 degree angle separating them when in actuality there would only be a 20 degree angle!
A-historical! Death to CA! I will not buy this.
EDIT: On a less asinine note... the unit looks purty :)
I cannot see it, I cannot find the arrows.
Gr, the Forward/Backward arrows for it are buggered. All i can view is that silly priest man. Can someone post a direct link to it, or post the screenshot and description here please?
can sumone post the link
Just click refresh.
That did it for me. :book:
Hehe..all this trouble. There are no direct link as it is Macromedia Flashplayer.
Do you got the latest version of it?
It took some time load it for me, try use some good ol` patience.
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http://www.totalwar.com/community/rtwbi.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1
wich monk....do you mean rometotalwar.com
www.rometotalwar.com then click 3d unit button.....i used....www.totalwar.com -> BI -> 3d unit profile and doesn`t worked...so from now....www.rometotalwar.com is the right one :bow:
It seems that comitatenes have rtw princeps alike armour ~:) and i dislike the shield
I can see the unit, but I cannot read the info.
i cant wait until they get to the visigoths.....i really want to see their units...first faction that i will play will be the Visigoths!! :bow:
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Originally Posted by SMZ
I have no priblem with this unit as it is semi-historical. :bow:
Stop trying to dug up old internet drama. :dizzy2:
No one said your name sir. In fact I referred to myself as asinine, consider it a bit of fun. No insult intended.
Do they HAVE to make the 3D Unit window 768 tall?
Though they look historical, they look like garbage. Eb's units just look so much nicer.
~:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by SMZ
In that case, i think they should give a moral bonus to nearby units and regenerate after every battle ~D
Did anybody else find the description unusual. Im not complaing, but it didnt seem to fit at all with their usual style. They even went into how the name turned into the french word count.
It's a good thing IMO. Normaly they have something along the lines of:
~DQuote:
These guys are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.
The sword is still much too short! It's not much bigger than a carving knife. CA said they were going to fix this in the XPack, what happened?
Maybe there have a kitchen knife, to reflect the bonus they get against the new flaming pig unit.... :wink:
Ah geeeez, now I have a better understanding why headhurlers are in the game. Heck actually it makes complete sense to me now.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
Anyways, that guys wearing trousers........ how barbaric. ~D
what you dont think Eb's units look 100 times better.Quote:
Originally Posted by oaty
Jesus Christ, King of Atlanta. Why can't you ever have an open mind? CA makes a decent, accurate unit and you just sit in the corner saying that nothing CA can make will ever be accurate. And why do you people have to bring EB into every topic about BI?
Is it just me, or this unit looks like heavy peltast reskin.
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Originally Posted by Silver Rusher
My mind is very open,
I was very pleased that this unit looks accurate, and found the description unusaually informative. All of that i said and got alot more hopeful that BI might be accurate.
The looks on the other habd are terrible. And not only compared to EB. Almost any mod makes skins/models that look much nicer than that of CA. Are you dening this? If so you seem pretty closed minded.
Why bring up EB? Cause it is comparable. They did the same time period, but there units look so much nicer. Blue lotus makes the CA units look even worse, but i didnt think it would be fair to judge to differnt eras.
Just to make things clear, I said this unit looks accurate, though i couldnt be sure as i didnt research it. It certainly looks real and I have full belief that it is. So, i really dont see what your mad at me about. Cause i said EB's units are better. That is my opinion and im sure its most peoples.
oh, and no im not the king of atlanta.
I can't really see whats wrong with the unit to be honest
it just doesnt look that good in my opinion. I guess im just to used to the mods using more detail....
Erm, they are NOT comparable. You can compare EB with RTW but not with BI as the time has moved several hundred years forward. Moreover you haven`t seen EB`s roman units yet so you`re completely off-track. And IMHO the roman units generally looks boring. That said mod units look better, but not all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
If you want cool units, wait for the Sassanids or Franks.
yeugh, that skins stinks. if they were elite, why do they wear low quality equipment.
Gone are the days when Rome was great...
P.S.
Really, a heavy peltast reskin.
The worse the skin, the more joy it will be to see Huscarles hack through them. :bow:
it would still be a heavy peltast...
hehe...
I wish they would get rid of faction colors...
What is so awful about it? As for equipment, this is the equipment that the Roman army was using at this particular time. In fact quite Germanic, but there again so were many of Rome's generalsQuote:
Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1
........Orda
Is everything CA does now evil? CA still has the minimum system requirements to conform to, so they cannot model/texture to absolute perfection, as that could cause graphic slowdowns and force them to raise minimum requirements. Honestly I don't see what's so bad about it. Don't accuse me of being a fanboy for liking the unit please, I'm all for historical accuracy and such, but the level that some members here have taken it seems a little extreme, if I may say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
What the hell guys. :furious3:
No Ca isnt evil. I obviously like their games as i am a member here.
Im not complaining about accuarcy it looks very accurate.
The unit just didnt look that good to me and why cant i have an opinion. I didnt look at the unit hoping it would look bad. I was hoping it would be nice. I was pleased by the historicalness, but the looks just didnt suit me. The mods add a lot of detail but it usually makes the game go quicker on my computer.
Man, I have been attacked like five times now for thiniking the unit doesnt look good. That is my opinion. I wouldnt be suprised if members here liked it. That would be their opinion.
The people that are claiming that im being hard on CA are at the same time being hard on me for having an opinion.
Sorry, i didnt know im not supposed to have an opinion, is this better.
OMG, this new unit is AWESOME. PRAISE CA!!! Im not going to get any sleep now. Looking at this one new unit is so much cooler than looking at the 50 mods have made. THANK YOU CA!
I personally think my opinon adds more to the discusion, but i get it now. People in the Colleseum dont want to hear opinions only praise. ~;)
Calm down, calm down.
Ok you don't like the unit, yet at the same time you agree it looks quite historically accurate.......
Can you understand why some people are confused?
......Orda
We really shouldn't be ranting. It might not be great, but it's alot better then the first unit ~:cheers: I see this as a HUGE improvement.
The problem people have is your constant comparison of BI to EB. I know I'm tired of it. Now leaving aside that EB is everything I don't want in a mod, and I was never impressed with EB skins. Your constant comparisons would be enough to try the patience of anyone. To sum up your a broken record on the BI vs EB. People are tired of hearing and they let you have it in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
^pretty much it, although I kept quiet...
personally EB looks interesting to me but I'm sure I'm going to love BI also... EB couldn't exist if CA hadn't made R:TW... and I think with the release of BI many more possibilities will open up for interested modders. The vanilla game in itself will be enjoyable to me, but the ability of the modders just adds to that - and I see a number of persons, maybe not yourself, but a number who seem to never have anything good to say about CA...
and no matter what part of life, a person who constantly complains is a nuisance to be around... with the first unit there was a huge outcry about fantasy units... with the second now ppl are complaining that it doesn't look pretty enough? It's just like... give me a break - if I was CA I would be wondering at the value of giving previews... as many here know - this board does not represent a majority of the CA audience, just it's most discerning portions...
? I compared it to EB here only after i was already attacked for not liking the unit.Quote:
The problem people have is your constant comparison of BI to EB.
I'm not the only one who thinks most mods look better than BI.Quote:
I know I'm tired of it. Now leaving aside that EB is everything I don't want in a mod, and I was never impressed with EB skins. Your constant comparisons would be enough to try the patience of anyone. To sum up your a broken record on the BI vs EB. People are tired of hearing and they let you have it in this thread.
I actually rarely complain. Not once will you ever see me complain in the MTW forum.Quote:
and no matter what part of life, a person who constantly complains is a nuisance to be around...
Things i have complained about-
historical accuaracy- nobody can argue that CA lakes in this department
this unit doesnt look good.-Im not the only one who thinks this.
ofcourse there was an outcry on the first one, if you disagree with people not liking how that unit was put in then post your reasons there.Quote:
with the first unit there was a huge outcry about fantasy units... with the second now ppl are complaining that it doesn't look pretty enough?
I have lost a lot of respect for what i once thought was a perfect community. You guys are sounding much more than a broken record than me.
"GO CA. YOU GUYS ROCK. RTW IS PERFECT.
I like the total war franchise and i played everyone of there games. As a fan it is my right and responsiblity to complain.
BTW, why did this turn into a hate thread. I gave my honest opinion of the unit and i would like to hear other peoples. That is the purpose of the thread i thought.
oh well guys, just flame away, you should be proud.
But in both threads on the BI units, yours was the loudest and most constant voice of seeming disapproval on the look of the units.
Actually most mod skins look sub professional. You put up with the poor looks because you like what the mod is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
poor looks in EB? ignorance is bliss i guess....
I have to agree with King of Atlantis when he says that he does not like it. It LOOKS like a run-over light auxilia, or something. However, I would expect that by the time of the the barbarian invasions the west roman army would have lower quality non-golden imperial age standard equipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
Remember that one of the reasons why the legions kept marching on Rome and deposing emperors favoring their commander was that they did not get enough money and support. By the time of the late empire, Rome would not be economically able to support all those shiny lorica segmentata clad legionnaires (they kept emmiting more money, which only made things worse because of inflation). So, all you get for an elite unit is this half-caste lame excuse for a leggionaire.
Hope that brought a little sobriety to this quickly escalating thread ;)
^ My opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orda Khan
I can't wait to see what people think of the Eastern Empire units.
.......Orda
Orda, I was happy to see your opinion. You showd your opinion with out attacking my opinion. That is how things are supposed to work and im glad everyone hasnt resorted to flamming.
In the priest i was not really complaing about its looks, but its how it was implemented in the game. Though i do still wonder why they dont have solid black cloaks. And im not really angry about that i just wanted to know if there was a reason for it.Quote:
But in both threads on [IMG]the BI units, yours was the loudest and most constant voice of seeming disapproval on the look of the units.
In this thread i have actually been attacked many times for not liking the look, which is possibly just that they didnt look good in real life, so obviously im going to write back.
are you serious look at this pic from R E S G E S T A E .Quote:
Actually most mod skins look sub professional. You put up with the poor looks because you like what the mod is doing.
http://img263.echo.cx/img263/8247/13gg.jpg
Wow, now if you put those guys in Germania and turned up the blue on your monitor. You could reinact the begining of Gladiator.
It's even in widescreen! ~D
From my experience, the only mods that have routine unprofessional graphics are either ones dealing with VOXELs(Command and Conquer) or 2d animation.
Yeah the calvary look alright.
Understatement, at least of the month.Quote:
Yeah the calvary look alright.
And player1, one of my favorite units is the heavy peltasts! Seriously. :book:
King of Atlantis I hope you did not perceive me to be flaming you.
The part of my post which you neglected to acknowledge shows that I was not personally attacking you, which is what flaming is. Furthermore, I am harldy running around proclaiming that CA are gods made flesh. I just recognized what the general vibe of a large portion of this board seems to be to me, and why this attitude seems misguided to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMZ
Nonetheless, back to the Comitatenes, I thought their being depicted somewhat dully was a nice touch. Whether this was purposeful or not I suppose is open to argument, but given the looks of the units from R:TW and the graphic quality of the previous preview I think it was. It seems to me they're just representing the general run-down quality of the legions by this time.
And that calvary shot there is beautiful. *goes to look at R E S G E S T A E*
People have every right to complain about bad units. When a company insults it's main fan base, it has to expect negative response.
:thumbsdown: :sleeping:Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
That sums up my feelings about that skin.
The ironic thing aobut lar's post is that thumbs down actually meant drop your weapon and let the other guy live in the Colloseum. Thumb point at chest ment kill the other guy.
In simple: When you a gladiator thumbs down = good, thumbs up/sideways = bad.
*Kerspam!*
I would just really like it if they got rid of the whole "each faction has to follow a certain color pattern" thing. I mean, the only differences between Armenian and Parthian Eastern Infantry in Vanilla RTW is that armenians have blue/green, and parthians have pink and bright purple! Come on! They can do better than that!
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Originally Posted by lars573
your kidding right. You can not possibly like Ca's units better than this. This is prometheus's equites(sp?). I find it very hard to believe you like CA's better than this.
Were not its main base, just it's hard-core fans. Unfortunatley by going mainstream they make much more money.Quote:
People have every right to complain about bad units. When a company insults it's main fan base, it has to expect negative response.
I guess the reason that the unit doesnt look good is they probably didnt look that good in real life, though im sure prometheus could work some of his magic on them.
Prom, looks like I did you some good advertising! ~D
except of course the people who like CA's stuff better.
No what's ironic in that trying to prove me wrong you made yourself look the fool. I've learned from latin/Roman experts that it's,Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
When your a gladiator thumb down= bad (loser gets the *point* )
thumb covered by fingers = good (loser lives)
The tumbs down for killing the losers (accompanied by a downward thrust of the forearm) came about as it mimics the killing blow with a gladius or dagger. Thumbs covered for sparing his life came about as to represent sheathing your weapon.
That skin is just shinier than a CA one. I can't believe you think it's better.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
Just shinier! You realize it is representing the true effect of sunlight reflecting off the armor.
*also the armor is much more complex than any Ca unit.
*If you look this unit actually has a saddle where Ca just provides a faction colored cloth.
*Clothing very detailed.
*he went into every detail possible
*Knowing prom it has been researched thoruoghly
Again it is your opinion, but you really must not like details.
And it makes no difference it's not better than the CA skinQuote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
[QUOTE=King of Atlantis]*also the armor is much more complex than any Ca unit.
Superfluous.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
*yawn*Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
And he didn't need to.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
And it's his interpretation, making it no better than CA's.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
Details are relative.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
So basically look doesnt matter to you.
Though im to lazy to post a Ca equite, im sure anybody who has played the game can tell the numerous improvement this unit makes.
Here's another one from resgestae by prometheus.
http://img294.echo.cx/img294/1879/13zf.jpg
Compare that to the Barb without a shirt. Looks better, much more accurate.
actually using historic data to make a unit as accurate as possible is much better than what Ca does.Quote:
And it's his interpretation, making no better than CA's.
KoA, where can I find that skin and how may I use it? Those look great! :charge:
I find it highly ironic that KOA, the insanely anal realism guy when it comes to CA, is working on a mod (more like a "please let us join your mod" group) about Atlantis rising again to take on the powers at be i the RTW time setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Rusher
edit: I fully expect a "omg don't talk smack because you don't make your own mod so you don't know how hard it is" type reply, but whatever. I work seven days a week, eight hours a day, and have more important things in my life than worrying, fretting, and moaning about than how realistic or unrealistic a specific unit is (much less looks) in a computer game that, honestly, isn't all that bad, even though it does have plenty of flaws.
Although I haven't agreed with KOA on much, I don't see how anyone can claim those screenshots aren't pretty. Whether they're better than CA's work is irrevelant - that's some nice artwork.
Yes, that's true. But, seeing as how everyone else has failed to note this, what game with mods doesn't have custom skins that look better than that in the vanilla variety? SimCity 4, Counter-Strike (*sigh*), Tribes 2, Far Cry, etc, etc all have custom skins and models that easily outdo anything made by the developers. So, logically, it makes perfect sense for the same to apply to RTW.
Actually our mod is an invasion mod for vanilla though it would be nice if we could be an invasion mod for a mod like troy. I am a lover of Fantasy. Lord of the rings is might favorite book. But, i am also a fan of realism. I dont however like it when something is played as historical, but is infact fantasy.Quote:
I find it highly ironic that KOA, the insanely anal realism guy when it comes to CA, is working on a mod (more like a "please let us join your mod" group) about Atlantis rising again to take on the powers at be i the RTW time setting.
The only time i have complained about realism is the priest on the battlefield. I wasnt really moaning, but more trying to explain to people how unrealistic they are and just about anyone who really cares about historic accuracy was on my side.Quote:
insanely anal realism guy
So lets review your post, you took cheap shots at me and a mod that I am a subleader of. Your reasons are i complained that warrior priest are unrealistic and that i didnt like the looks of this unit.
and the omg isnt you dont work hard so dont talk smack its why the hell are you talking smack. Cause i didnt like the look of the unit this thread is about and stated my opinion. Im sorry but you seem very anal.
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Originally Posted by CMcMahon
okay so you agree with me. The mod skins look better than the original. That claim is what has gotten me attacked in this thread by you and many others.
But my point is that it's that way for most every game out there. It's not like CA is the only company that's releasing a game where modders, skinners, and whatnot have outdone the original skins and models.
And i agree on that point. That doesnt change what i said. The new units dont look as good as the mods. Appearantly something like that gets me two pages of flaming.
Not all of us are interested in what EB or other mods are doing, so it does become repetitive and boring to see constant referals to these mods. Those mods have subforums for a reason, let's keep most of the discussions where they belong.
And I don't think posting pics of other mods to prove a point is not very usefull as it always come down to a matter of taste and one's taste is not superior to that of another.
I only broought up Eb cause i was attacked for not liking a unit's looks, so i said what looks good to me. I didnt say by the way EB units are so much better, haha CA. I oly refered to Ca after an attack cause of an opinion.
Your right Duke John everyone has their own opnion and i have said that many times. Thats what a message board is for, to voice your opinions.
I dont know how many times im going to have to explain this in this thread. :embarassed:
I think the morale of the story is this, if you have an opinion and want to post it make sure you dont do it in the Colosseum. :embarassed:
I(and others) dont like how the new units looks
other people do.
Both opinions are good and both sides are allowed to have them..
I have kept this story since the begging and had to repost it in deffernt ways many times. I just posted prom's units cause it was said mods dont look profesional. Wether you like the looks or not you have to admit they look profesional.
:embarassed: :embarassed: ~:handball:
No, I don't need to. CA's skins while not to my taste do look professional; they are clean and do not have (many) irregularities caused by not properly adjusting the UV coordinates or non-sensical surfaces showed by many mod (as in the screenshots of Resgestae).Quote:
Wether you like the looks or not you have to admit they look profesional.
When you say: "You have to admit..." you are enforcing your opinion and that attitude is what probably caused your posts to be attacked.
And to my knowledge saddles didn't exist at this time so this is a fantasy unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
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Originally Posted by TB666
They had saddles at this time. They didn't have stirrups, perhaps that's what you're thinking of.
exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcellus
No, according to what I know the first saddle didn't exist until 365(+-5 years) AD in Sarmatia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcellus