TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930's 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's:

First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a tin, and didn't get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.

As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a ute on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drink with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.

No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!

The Junior Football teams had practice games and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!

And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!

So, you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?

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Originally Posted by lars573

So, you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?

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Sounds like someone's not a happy camper!

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Originally Posted by kiwitt

First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.

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Is this why you guys like to watch the Wheel of Fortune? ~D

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We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.

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You risk takers, you... ~;)

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As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

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Yeah, I bet the traffic was huge in the 50's and 60's.

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Riding in the back of a ute on a warm day was always a special treat.

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What is a ute?
*BP checks dictionary*
Ok so you guys liked riding in the back of pick-up trucks. Lot's of kids still find that fun when they can get it.

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We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

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So did I and I grew up in the 90's.

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We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.

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Why would someone die from that? ~:confused:
If sharing some saliva was that dangerous people would never kiss.

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We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drink with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

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So what? Kids these days don't have to go out, they have cool video games to attend to.

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We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.

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Yes well that IS dangerous, what if some maniac was on the streets kidnapping children?

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No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.

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Yeah, but don't you wish you had a cool cellphone instead. ~:cheers:

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We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

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Today we have S-K-A-T-E-B-O-A-R-D-S that do the same thing, without all the effort of bputting them together first. It's not our generations fault you guys had a poorer economy then us.

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We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

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Who needs real friends when you have Playstation Friends to play. You old guys only talk big, but if I had gone back in time and given you a playstation 2 you'd never go outside again. :laugh:

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We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.

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Aparently you have never heard about eXtreme sports and how popular they are among the youth.

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We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

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Eating worm... mmmm... yummy.

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We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

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Not very many but some were bound to be plucked off. I don't know about you but I'de rather have my vision then have some dumb kid destroy the rest of my life for some dumb game.

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We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!

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So today I can walk into my house, open my computer and talk to the friend without the inconvience of having to walk all the way to his house.

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The Junior Football teams had practice games and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

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Since when does EVERYONE make a high school team. I knew people who were amazing basketball players and didn't make it. Regardless of what you may have heard, other then gym class, the school sport's teams are just as picky today as they ever were.

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The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

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Yeah I'm sure this hapened everywhere. Today more people live in the city, and even cops can't be trusted.

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This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!

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Are you insinuating that our generation, the generation in which a 17 year old kid has crafted an entire new computer language called Linux, is somehow inferior to the preveous because we have more technology and lead more confortable lives? ~:confused: ~:confused: ~:confused:

Face it my friend. We are a lot smarter and more daring then any other generation. Yeah we have more obesity etc, etc..., but if we choose to we can do whatever. A choice the preveous generation didn't have, and if they did, they'd end worse then us, because they wouldn't be able to deal with it.

Hehe...

I think Byzantine Prince has a little generational inferiority complex...

~;)

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As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

Yeah, I bet the traffic was huge in the 50's and 60's.

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It was as bad as it iis now. Fewer cars but also fewer roads. Rush hour still sucked just as bad.

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So what? Kids these days don't have to go out, they have cool video games to attend to.

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Yeah thats much better for you. Builds strong bodies I bet. You get monster thumbs.

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Yes well that IS dangerous, what if some maniac was on the streets kidnapping children?

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Thats the point it was almost unknown back then. Man it was great being a kid back then with no worries. Then you hit puberty and all the troubles start to hit you at once. ~;)

Yup Gawain. And too many hit you right square in the face...

oww...my pride...

Yes, I would have liked growing up in the 50s. But man...I do love my Playstation and GameCube.

But also, I think the girls are better looking now too.

Azi

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But also, I think the girls are better looking now too.

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No way. There have always been beautiful women and heres hoping there always are. At least back then it was easy to tell a woman from a man.

Stupid fake haircolor notwithstanding...I remember looking at picturse of my Dad's old girlfriends. Mind, he was pretty good with the ladies (so how the heck did I miss out on that gene) but man...some of the women were just fugly!

No offense to any of you old ladies out there. ahem...Gawain...ahem ~;)

Edit: You can't tell a woman from a man now? Okay...so Michael Jackson (who fits in this category mind you) is an exception but...maybe Gawain needs to check again...

Azi

Heres Veronica Lake from the 40s

http://photos.allcelebs.us/veronica-...-lake_0001.jpg

Fugly indeed.

Heres one from the sixtees you might remember

http://photos.allcelebs.us/barbara-e...-eden_0038.jpg

Then there always Bardot

http://photos.allcelebs.us/brigitte-...ardot_0004.jpg

There were never women more beautiful and elegant than at this time. Men were men and women were women back then. As Archie Bunker says "Those were the days" ~D


I hope your dad had better lucj with your mom ~D

....No comment on that one...

Anyway, you did have pretty women sure, but I just like the new ones better. I would try to get some pictures up here myself, but you see...for us young'uns, it's time for bed.

Azi

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Thats the point it was almost unknown back then. Man it was great being a kid back then with no worries. Then you hit puberty and all the troubles start to hit you at once. ~;)

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I think kids of all generations were like this. I know when i was little I didnt care about much.

A lot of the stuff on that list still havent changed. All the wau till like 6th grade i spent almost all my free time outside. And school sports teams have gotten much more competitve.

and girls look much better now. There is much better hygene for hair, teeth etc. Girls are have to be much slimmer too. Also there's a beautiful thing called plastic surgery ~D.

Gawain women back then did not have the state of the art makeup women today enjoy. Also their hair didn't get the best product. Putting all that aside, I have to agere that they were basically the same, except they didn't look half as good as women look today. If you only visited my mall, you wouldn't believe your eyes. It's amazing what good taste in style today's young ladies have compared to the 80's or even the 60's.

Byz don't forget your in Canada and everyone knows we have much more attractive women folk than those unlucky yankees.

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Byz don't forget your in Canada and everyone knows we have much more attractive women folk than those unlucky yankees.

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:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Thats the funniest thing ive heard all day!

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I think kids of all generations were like this. I know when i was little I didnt care about much.

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Maybe the kids were but the parents sure were not. You cant tell me kids in the 80s came home from school and just dissappeared until dinner and then went back out until dark. I mean we didnt even tell our mom where we were going half the time. She'd just say were eating at such and such a time make sure your home or my dad would come outside and whistle. Man you could here him from blocks away. ~D Believe me it was very different from today. Almost another planet.

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and girls look much better now. There is much better hygene for hair, teeth etc.

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Oh Please. Yes our women were unclean.

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Gawain women back then did not have the state of the art makeup women today enjoy.

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Yeah you had some idea of what you were really getting. Personally I like the natural look. I prefer as little make up as possible on my women. You cant beat a natural beauty.

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If you only visited my mall, you wouldn't believe your eyes.

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Im sure it offers nothing our Malls in New York dont have.

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It's amazing what good taste in style today's young ladies have compared to the 80's or even the 60's.

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Thats a matter of taste. Those gothic women are really hot. The ones with the red green and purple hair are cool too.We didnt have any of those. Ill give you the hot ones dress much sluttier nowdays and look older than they are.

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Originally Posted by King of Atlantis

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Thats the funniest thing ive heard all day!

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sadly, i must believe the reports of the canadian female hotness superiority to be true. two trips to montreal cannot lie. :shame:

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Oh Please. Yes our women were unclean.

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We do have much better hair products and tooth care has improved very much.

also there are more women, so there is a larger group to be attractive.

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Byz don't forget your in Canada and everyone knows we have much more attractive women folk than those unlucky yankees.

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Theres more beautiful women in New York City alone than in all of Canada.

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sadly, i must believe the reports of the canadian female hotness superiority to be true. two trips to montreal cannot lie. :shame:

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well i prefere women to look like:

s

and that is most common in latino populations that canada doesnt have.

Very well put, Kiwitt. The 50's were a hoot, the 60's an experience, the 70's laid-down. The 80's just plain work.

I use to walk to kindergarden with friends - in Des Moines. Imagine letting your 5 yearold out of your sight today? Of course come to think of it.... maybe they were hoping to get rid of us ~D .

Do remember the be home before dark rule (summer), and the no TV 'til homework is done (fall).

Still, we can't begrudge the youngsters for growing up in central AC (we had a fan), or their video games. Or, their 200+ channels of TV (we had 5 and one was educational).

Doubt any have built a go-cart (stealing the wheels from wagons, baby carriages, etc - for that free wheeling run down a hill (remember Bill Cosby's 120mph?). Still the new diversions are ......... something.


As for women? Atleast what you saw was real back then. No artificial additives there.

Society is messed up where I live. When I was younger, I would go outside just about everyday without worries, and in the summer would be home at one in the night, because there are no worries. But here, it really sucks, you can get killed if you walk during the day. Anyway, you're creating generalizations based on stereotypes, which isn't very good.

we´re still young......you´ve allready turned into old farts ~D

game..set..match :duel:

I grew up in the 80's and did all of those things.

The recent wuss-culture is a very 90's thing.

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

Are you insinuating that our generation, the generation in which a 17 year old kid has crafted an entire new computer language called Linux, is somehow inferior to the preveous because we have more technology and lead more confortable lives?

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ehm... my personality dictates that I must clarify:
Linux is not a computer language; it is an operating system kernel. One of the things Linus Torvalds(born 1969!!) did was making a better version of Minix (a horrible operating system in the late 80’s) and transported a Unix based operating system to PC. It was written in the computer language C.
Besides, he was 22 years when he launched his Linux.

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Originally Posted by King of Atlantis

well i prefere women to look like:

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and that is most common in latino populations that canada doesnt have.

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You want your women to look like a giant S, sorry that's just disterbing. And I though I had a sick mind. ~;) And we do have a latino population, just that they are French not Spainish-Native like the US has.

Am I immature for finding post #4 funny?

I mean, I don't agree with all of it. And I didn't spit my coffee at my monitor or anything. But I did laugh.

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Originally Posted by kiwitt

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

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10? my grandfather gave my dad his BB gun when he was 8 and i on the other hand, never got mine...

40 years from now we can make another of these lists for kids who lived in the 90's...we survived being allowed to run on the playground ~:)


Kids these days have access to the internet. Forget lead based paint, anyone who has done a google image search for "scat" knows how dangerous the internet can be (don't try it).

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

40 years from now we can make another of these lists for kids who lived in the 90's...we survived being allowed to run on the playground ~:)


Kids these days have access to the internet. Forget lead based paint, anyone who has done a google image search for "scat" knows how dangerous the internet can be (don't try it).

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And there I was assuming that "scat" meant something completely different. Like get away from there. A term my grandmother used to use when wanting us to leave her alone.

Good thing I am at work - so I am not willing to try a search on the internet for that term. (I am sure it brings sites up that will get me in trouble at work - given the nature of your warning.)

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Originally Posted by Redleg

And there I was assuming that "scat" meant something completely different. Like get away from there. A term my grandmother used to use when wanting us to leave her alone.

Good thing I am at work - so I am not willing to try a search on the internet for that term. (I am sure it brings sites up that will get me in trouble at work - given the nature of your warning.)

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It has another meaning. Oh the things you learn when you live in a college doorm. This was a popular one for resetting someones wallpaper when they were out of the room.

I go out most days and i'm the rip old age of 15!!! i stay out until the last bus comes (10:40) and even in summer thas beyond dark...i seem ok, but then again i live on the isle of man, which is basically the UK 50 years ago :) (it is one of the safest places in britain)
personally i think that us kids should get out more as a general rule, i do! and i still find time to play on RTW.
And about walking everywhere, and to those who object.....try having a party, doing some under-age drinking and then decide to walk the five miles from Castletown to port erin at 1:00 in the morning, we did it in about half an hour....it was great, pity the chinese was closed hmmm.
so maybe some modern conviniences do make us fatter, prettier and darn it wussier than the days of yore, but we also get out, have fun and learn about life in our own unique way. Anyway, in the 1950's did you want to go back to the nineteenth century?

p.s If anybody asks, It wasnt my party we were at Ok?
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And there I was assuming that "scat" meant something completely different. Like get away from there. A term my grandmother used to use when wanting us to leave her alone.

Good thing I am at work - so I am not willing to try a search on the internet for that term. (I am sure it brings sites up that will get me in trouble at work - given the nature of your warning.)

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I believe its short for skedaddle.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Am I immature for finding post #4 funny?

I mean, I don't agree with all of it. And I didn't spit my coffee at my monitor or anything. But I did laugh.

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Common, that was a good post. I think I made some pretty good points. Worms are yummy etc. ~D


PS. Yes, don't EVER type scat on google or anywhere, because it most likaly will lead you sh#t porn. ~;)

On scat:People have very strange notions of what is 'fun'

On topic: Good for you. Pitty younglings these days are so shielded. Even when I was little I ran around, got brused, only one sprain though.

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Originally Posted by lars573

Byz don't forget your in Canada and everyone knows we have much more attractive women folk than those unlucky yankees.

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Too bad you can't see it underneath all that clothing...remembering back to the pasty white people around me when I worked up north in Alaska. And don't get me started on New York, much better looking ladies on average as you head south...at least compared to my trips to New York and New Jersey.

It's only like that for 8 months of the year. But I know some women who don't wear pants regular like until november (but she's crazy as the day is long, a hotty though ~;) ).

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Originally Posted by lars573

I know some women who don't wear pants regular like until november (but she's crazy as the day is long, a hotty though ~;) ).

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*struggles to remember what that word translates to; looks in an English-Norwegian dictionary* ~:eek:

I think he means trousers... ~;)

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I think he means trousers... ~;)

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Oh... :wiseguy:

Er... you do relaise that the kids you are describing are the ones who grew up to make the world we live in today right? The world you don't seem to like much. For example, its all very well decrying the "kids of today" but they are your kids, so what have you done wrong?

Shhhh...Slyspy, you aren't supposed to mention that part...

Remember, we are all screwed up because of Mario and Link and Rap. It has nothing to do with negiligent parents.

(Just to make sure, this is not directed at any forum patrons. God knows all of you that are old enough seem to be smart enough to raise good kids. I am talking about the parents of the sociopaths that give my friends and I a bad name.)

Azi

Not to mention it's idiots who were born in the 50's-70's that are coming up with "No Failure" policies for today's children. So great lot of good the lack of video games did you.


We must've peaked in the Victorian Age. Let's send today's children back into the coal mines.

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I'm all for it. My kid should be out of the oven in about 6 months, I nominate we start with him. He'll have 9 months of freeloading to work off already, let alone the expenses will incur at the hospital on his behalf. Assuming it's a boy. I actually think it's a girl, in which case all bets are off. My darling princess:smitten: shall never lift a finger in toil in her life.

There was a time when a kid could walk alone in Manhattan.

Yeah and that time was 1690.

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Yeah and that time was 1690.

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Try 1960.

Most of you people cannot imagine how different the US has become in the last 50 years. To me its a different country than the one I grew up in. Its hard to believe that I have actually wittnessed personaly one quarter of this nations history.

No, that is a myth.

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No, that is a myth.

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Maybe thats what youve been led to believe. I actually have lived throught it. Dont go trying to tell me it was a myth. If you werent there you cannot imagine the difference.

I can, and it's a myth. Any parent who let a child walk alone threw a city any city in any time is a neglegent parent. I really would like to know where these myths about safety of the 50's and early 60's came from. My mom says her parents never locked the doors at night when they were home. But my dad says they did and they couldn't leave cloths on the line over night cause half of them would be gone by morning.

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I can, and it's a myth. Any parent who let a child walk alone threw a city any city in any time is a neglegent parent. I really would like to know where these myths about safety of the 50's and early 60's came from. My mom says her parents never locked the doors at night when they were home. But my dad says they did and they couldn't leave cloths on the line over night cause half of them would be gone by morning.

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We never locked our doors when we were home. Now my dad even has a deadbolt on his bedroom door. I used to walk around Brooklyn all the time when I was like 8. I mean you were only allowed up to the coner store or the nearest park but by the time I was 11 or 12 I could go pretty much where I pleased.

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We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.

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13 of us all shared 1 of those bavarian sized beers once. So ha!

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We never locked our doors when we were home. Now my dad even has a deadbolt on his bedroom door. I used to walk around Brooklyn all the time when I was like 8. I mean you were only allowed up to the coner store or the nearest park but by the time I was 11 or 12 I could go pretty much where I pleased.

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This aint just in the Sixties man, come to the isle of Man....it ROCKS!!! theres almost no serious crime (we get like one murder for two years or sumitng like that) you can go out all night with no worries, and theres no speed limit outside of towns and we STILL have a low car accident death rate. I'm tellin ay, if you want the good old days then come here, but there are some old grannies that are terrified by whats going on in Enlgand etc where kids mug them and stuff, so now if i where a hoodie then i get dirty looks from all the adults...i'm tellin ya there are some kids out there that are giving the ret of us a bad name...BLOODY CHAVS!!!!!!! :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:

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This aint just in the Sixties man, come to the isle of Man....it ROCKS!!! theres almost no serious crime (we get like one murder for two years or sumitng like that) you can go out all night with no worries, and theres no speed limit outside of towns and we STILL have a low car accident death rate. I'm tellin ay, if you want the good old days then come here,

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Wow and I get to watch the TT also. Im packing my bags.

WE are far less free today than we were in the 50s. People just dont realise how the government has crept into society and has their finger in everybodies buissiness.

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Wow and I get to watch the TT also. Im packing my bags.

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I'll See ya there next year then Gawain ~:cheers: ~:cheers:
Look uot for me, i'll be the guy thats getting shouted at by the police for looking at someone funny....lol actually its better to watch the TT on television, you see more of it, but the atmosphere on the Island is great...the population doubles (from 78,000) and there is still no violence or crime like what it's like on the mainland....you should come!! same with all of you, then we can rant at each other in person ;)

Right on kiwitt , I can't believe I survived but am so thankful that I wasn't born 20 years later.

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Originally Posted by lars573

So, you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?

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Unfortunately you probably took pride in taking this cheap shot. Sorry for you.

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Face it my friend. We are a lot smarter and more daring then any other generation. Yeah we have more obesity etc, etc..., but if we choose to we can do whatever. A choice the preveous generation didn't have, and if they did, they'd end worse then us, because they wouldn't be able to deal with it.

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Actually, you seem to have a lot of problems. Today I see a lot of your 'smart' generation who are unable to make change, don't have a clue about anything other than PS2 and Lindsay Lohan, and show an incredible lack of wisdom.

Case in point, when kiwitt wrote a post celebrating all of the things that made our generation stronger, you replied with a series of (unfunny) smartass comments that highlighted your ignorance. Proved him right you did. Not only did you miss the entire point of his thread, but you came off looking like a child, unable to appreciate anything other than himself.

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I think Byzantine Prince has a little generational inferiority complex...

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LMAO

ichi :bow:

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Originally Posted by ichi

Unfortunately you probably took pride in taking this cheap shot. Sorry for you.
ichi :bow:

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And if you think that was a cheap shot you have much to learn padawan. ~;) You see most of what kiwitt said applies to me and I was born in 1981.

Exceptions being
-My mom never drank or had any desire to until my younger brother was in his teens
-My mom refused to feed us 3 kids white bread, it was always whole weat (better for ya.)
-It's been illegal to ride in a car with out a seat belt in Canada (federal law) for nearly 40 years
-I've always hated playing outside, I prefered to be in my sandbox building castles and only for an hour
-I grew up in the city so there were limits to how far I could roam until I was a teen
-We didn't get a NES in my household till I was 9
-We were never alowed a BB gun 1 because mom didn't like them and 2 because she knew little brother would try and kill me with it

LOL

By 1981 I was married, had a college degree, and was years into a career.

That was a very cheap shot, they're easy to spot.

ichi

ps please don't call me padewan, not only is it condescending, but in this case its inappropriate

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LOL

By 1981 I was married, had a college degree, and was years into a career.

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I assumed as much hence the padawan crack.

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That was a very cheap shot, they're easy to spot.

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Again you call it a cheap shot. Where I'm from it is a perfectly reasonable response to kiwitt's comments. And it was much more umm polite than anything else that came to mind after reading it.

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So, you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?

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Lars, I don't expect you to understand, but that comment is rude, mean, insulting, and essentially added nothing to the discussion. As a matter of fact, it took a nice nostalgic piece and turned it to rancor.

You can make excuses about where you're from or the quality of your upbringing, but it is was wrong.

Think about it, please

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Actually, you seem to have a lot of problems. Today I see a lot of your 'smart' generation who are unable to make change, don't have a clue about anything other than PS2 and Lindsay Lohan, and show an incredible lack of wisdom.

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I can't believe I actually have to inform you of this Ichi, but more people go to college today then any other generation before us. Have you ever heard the phrase "a high school diploma doesn't cut it anymore"? Well today even a cimple college diploma doesn't cut it anymore in terms of really making yourself something special. And if you think all kids today know is PS2 and Lindsay Lohan you are partially right. *A lot* of kids only care about pop culture and games, but they are just the idiots, and they have always existed. The difference is a lot of those morons are actually doing well in school and are going to university even if their interests are questionable.

If you think we all lack wisdom, I dare you to look around the org alone, and find one person under 18 who fits that category(only cares about PS2 and Lindsay)

PS. The number one consumer group of PS2 and video games is between 25-35 years of age.

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Case in point, when kiwitt wrote a post celebrating all of the things that made our generation stronger, you replied with a series of (unfunny) smartass comments that highlighted your ignorance. Proved him right you did. Not only did you miss the entire point of his thread, but you came off looking like a child, unable to appreciate anything other than himself.

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You thought my replies were unfunny. Ironic that that's my opinion of your "jokes". I actually believe 90% of those replies are factual, and if they hapen to be presented in a comical way then so be it. At least Proleteriat thought they were funny.

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Lars, I don't expect you to understand, but that comment is rude, mean, insulting, and essentially added nothing to the discussion. As a matter of fact, it took a nice nostalgic piece and turned it to rancor.

You can make excuses about where you're from or the quality of your upbringing, but it is was wrong.

Think about it, please

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I won't because your wrong. Also being rude mean and insulting inside of humor is how I was brough up to interact with people. Also the textual medium with which were are comunicating leaves many thing out like tone and facial expressions (smilies don't help as much as they should).

You know I didn't want to say what I was really thinking, but ichi you won't seem to be satisfied with anything less so here goes.

I found kiwitt's comments to be rude and insulting not to mention arrogant and condecending, I know he didn't intend to but it came out that way. In short I took exception to it, so like I had been brought up I responded in kind. I don't know why he chose to crap from a great height on everyone who happens to have a birthday after December 31 1979 but he did, and I didn't like it. Those of us born after 1980 have the distinct pleasure of inherriting the crap heap that those born in the 30's 40's 50's 60's and 70's made the world. And thank you very much for that by the way. I feel more than a bit justified in having a little bit a of rancor.

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Is this why you guys like to watch the Wheel of Fortune?

Yeah, I bet the traffic was huge in the 50's and 60's.

Yeah, but don't you wish you had a cool cellphone instead.

Eating worm... mmmm... yummy.

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Soz BP, but your funny responses weren't funny. They were caustic.

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Face it my friend. We are a lot smarter and more daring then any other generation. Yeah we have more obesity etc, etc..., but if we choose to we can do whatever. A choice the preveous generation didn't have, and if they did, they'd end worse then us, because they wouldn't be able to deal with it.

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My generation had the opportunity to do whatever we wanted, and we did it. We dealt with it very well.

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I can't believe I actually have to inform you of this Ichi,

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You didn't, I'm aware of the statistics.

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If you think we all lack wisdom,. . .

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I don't, I think your generation has many of the same qualities of previous generations, with those who excel and those who don't.

I simply wanted to point out that this constant sniping and rudeness degrades the Org and all of us, and makes this place much less pleasant than it should be.

And I'm not the first to tell you that.

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You can make excuses about where you're from or the quality of your upbringing, but it is was wrong.

Think about it, please

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I won't because your wrong. Also being rude mean and insulting inside of humor is how I was brough up to interact with people.

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As I suspected. My hope is to restore some of the civility and community that the Org used to have, and I had hoped that you would stop, just for a second, and think about how your sniping appears to others. Alas, it is not to be.

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Also the textual medium with which were are comunicating leaves many thing out like tone and facial expressions (smilies don't help as much as they should).

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No amount of smilies can mitigate asking someone if they need a chest to pin a medal on. Such a comment is patently offensive, and in person would lead to a brawl. But you refuse to get it, so . . .

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I found kiwitt's comments to be rude and insulting not to mention arrogant and condecending, I know he didn't intend to but it came out that way. In short I took exception to it, so like I had been brought up I responded in kind.

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Let's look at what kiwitt said

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First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a tin, and didn't get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.

As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a ute on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drink with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.

No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!

The Junior Football teams had practice games and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!

And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!

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This was a celebration of a person who is proud of his life and happy that he has survived, and in it he is reaching out to others who share similar experiences. Nothing in it is crass, mean, or hurtful to anyone else.

If you took exception to it then you are remarkably thin-skinned.

Now look at your response. Mean-spirited, insulting, completely out of line.

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I feel more than a bit justified in having a little bit a of rancor.

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and that, IMHO, is the problem. There are many in here who feel justified in posting rancorous material. I for one am getting tired of it and decided to call you on it. As others predicted, it will be to no effect.

As long as you think you can write whatever, criticize others with no responsibility to review your own actions, then this will continue.

Which is too bad, this could be (and has been) a great place. It can be again, if folks would knock off the insults and rudeness and realize that we each have a responsiblity to make things better, not just lash out anyway we feel like it.

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I can't believe I actually have to inform you of this Ichi, but more people go to college today then any other generation before us. Have you ever heard the phrase "a high school diploma doesn't cut it anymore"? Well today even a cimple college diploma doesn't cut it anymore in terms of really making yourself something special.

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And I cant believe I have to inform you that someone with HS diploma in my day was eductaed far better than someone with one today. In fact its been said it was the equivelant of af BA degree today. I cant believe what gets by as education these days.

[sarcasm] Yes, Gawain, an HS diploma in the 50's covers pretty much every subject and every field of work and is as good as a bachelor's for any subject known to man[/sarcasm]

Get real man. School didn't teach half the stuff they teach today in HS. Yeah the education is very lacking in elementery and junior high, but once you get to high school it becomes incerdibly difficult. I bet you high schools didn't even have calculus till the 80's, a required course if you want to go to uni these days.

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I bet you high schools didn't even have calculus till the 80's

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Your just showing your ignorance here. Yes they had calculus in school them. IT was regents 12th grade math. 9th was Basic algebra and trig, 10th geometery , 11th intermediate algbra and trig and 12th was calculus.

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School didn't teach half the stuff they teach today in HS.

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But what they did teach they did a much better job of. They also didnt teach you a bunch of crap.

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Yeah the education is very lacking in elementery and junior high, but once you get to high school it becomes incerdibly difficult.

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Well thats a sort of self fufilling statement. Of course if education sucks in the basics when you get to the complicated stuff its only going to get worse. We didnt lack in elementry of JH education. The schools werent beholding back them for aid from the federal government and were run by the states. We had few of the distraction you have today. Hell If I had MTW as a kid I may never have left the house or done any studying.

Oh and we didnt have calculators. They hadnt been invented yet and we wouldnt have been allowed them ift they had been. On certain things you were allowed to use this arcane tool called a slide rule ~D

Gawain, I have some points. I agree with you to a ceratin degree.

1. You call me igonarant yet you fail to show some proof that they tought Calaculus in HS before 1980.

2. You did not adress the fact that HS in the 50's and 60's was like a bachelor's degree for any field(I'm asuming since you weren't specific, it was ALL of them).

PS. I aware there weren't calculators back then, which would make it very hard to do and learn certain things in Math. Subsequently more people failed and didn't go to college.

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1. You call me igonarant yet you fail to show some proof that they tought Calaculus in HS before 1980.

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I bet you high schools didn't even have calculus till the 80's, a required course if you want to go to uni these days.

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That's a bet you lose. I took calculus in High School in 1974.

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School didn't teach half the stuff they teach today in HS.

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Such as? Name a subject and let's see.

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Hell If I had MTW as a kid I may never have left the house or done any studying.

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No doubt, I'd weigh 400 pounds, have fought 30,000 battles, and together we would have over 1,000,000 posts at the Org. ~:cheers:

ichi :bow:

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Such as? Name a subject and let's see.

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Computer Science ~D

More seriously, I belive there is a Chinese Culture AP, brand new. http://www.collegeboard.com/student/...ml?chineselang
Well, not yet.....

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Did they teach psychology?
http://www.collegeboard.com/student/...ych.html?phych

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As I suspected. My hope is to restore some of the civility and community that the Org used to have, and I had hoped that you would stop, just for a second, and think about how your sniping appears to others. Alas, it is not to be.

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You ichi san can't seem to realize that the sniping is how, how do I put this right. Ah yes, sniping and rudeness is how I banter in a light hearted way. Which is how this was intended.

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No amount of smilies can mitigate asking someone if they need a chest to pin a medal on. Such a comment is patently offensive, and in person would lead to a brawl. But you refuse to get it, so . . .

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I really hope your not being serious. I got that quip from my mom and aunts. They use it in person to each other all the time. I have used it in person many times and never even had a fist waved in my face, or been threatened in any way. Obviously you know some thin skinned overly sensitive people.

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Let's look at what kiwitt said

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I did read it twice to make sure I got the meaning straight. It was mean't as a light hearted pining for the "good old days". I was ammused and insulted at the same time and responded in kind.

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This was a celebration of a person who is proud of his life and happy that he has survived, and in it he is reaching out to others who share similar experiences. Nothing in it is crass, mean, or hurtful to anyone else.

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Not intentionally no, and I did say I realized that. But by saying that a certain group was better (people born before 1980), he implied that others were not as good (people born after 1980).

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If you took exception to it then you are remarkably thin-skinned.

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Thin skinned no, I've learned to take a certain amount of insulting. But I always give back (hence my comment). But insulted yes. the two aren't mutually exclusive.

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Now look at your response. Mean-spirited, insulting, completely out of line.

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Mean-spirited no . Insulting, yes but that was the point. Completely out of line? Not in my opinion (which is the only one that counts ~:) ).

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and that, IMHO, is the problem. There are many in here who feel justified in posting rancorous material. I for one am getting tired of it and decided to call you on it. As others predicted, it will be to no effect.

As long as you think you can write whatever, criticize others with no responsibility to review your own actions, then this will continue.

Which is too bad, this could be (and has been) a great place. It can be again, if folks would knock off the insults and rudeness and realize that we each have a responsiblity to make things better, not just lash out anyway we feel like it.

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And I felt justified in this specific instantce because it bothered me. I carry around enough crap from things bothering me as it is, so in this case as it minor and meaning less. I did something to allieviate my bothered state. And you know what it worked.
The problem here is that we have fallen into a generation gap. Never to escape, it's sad really. It could have been great trading barbs and insults all day, I love doing that. Just like when my whole family is together, gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.Telling old man and punk kid jokes. Would have been really fun, I was looking forward to it. But someone decided to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

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Ah yes, sniping and rudeness is how I banter in a light hearted way.

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You can make all the excuses you want, but it seems that you can be easily upset but won't care that others don't enjoy being on the butt end of your sniping.

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I really hope your not being serious.

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I am serious. Cheap shots like you made are degrading this place. Just because you think it's OK doesn't make it so.

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Thin skinned no, I've learned to take a certain amount of insulting. But I always give back (hence my comment). But insulted yes. the two aren't mutually exclusive.

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There's a certain double standard at work here. Nothing that was said by kiwitt was insulting, but you were sensitive enough to take it personally. You got very personal, but don't want to take responsibility for it.

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Mean-spirited no . Insulting, yes but that was the point. Completely out of line? Not in my opinion (which is the only one that counts ).

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This is the root of the problem. Yours is the only opinion that counts, so since you can't see how this kind of rudeness is hurting the Org you will continue to act childish as you see fit. Too bad.

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Would have been really fun, I was looking forward to it. But someone decided to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

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Again, only that which is important to you matters. The mountain here is that boorish behavior is making this place unpleasant, but you don't care. IMO its selfish, say what you want no matter what anybody else thinks.

I'm no prude, I can trade barbs and insults all day too. I live and work with some of the toughest people you'll ever meet. I don't tell people they are out of line unless it is real, and you were out of line. What you said wasn't fun or funny, it was sad.

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Computer Science ~D

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actually it was AP and while a Senior in HS I took Comp Science at the local College.

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More seriously, I belive there is a Chinese Culture AP, brand new. http://www.collegeboard.com/student/...ml?chineselang
Well, not yet.....

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Well, you got me there. If only I had an opportunity to take AP Chinese Culture I could have avoided all those entanglements with Chinese Communist Party :bow:

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http://www.collegeboard.com/student/...ych.html?phych

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Yes, it was introductory, part of a science curriculum.

ichi ~:cheers:

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This is one of the most convoluted things Ive ever read. It may have been a bit harder but far from impossible. Some peple are really handy with a slide rule. Its not like calculators do something we cant. We invented them. The big difference s that we actually had to learn how things worked in math and do the work ourselves and not just push some numbers and hit enter. Everything being equal why would more people fail? Its not like some are using calculators. We all had the same handicap. We had to think.

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You can make all the excuses you want, but it seems that you can be easily upset but won't care that others don't enjoy being on the butt end of your sniping.

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Was I actually giving the impression that I was deeply offended by what kiwitt said? I bothered me a wee little bit. It was no big deal. So I tossed out an amusing little comeback that I use in situations like that. And you keep coming after me for it.

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I am serious. Cheap shots like you made are degrading this place. Just because you think it's OK doesn't make it so.

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Degrading this place? Get on your soapbox much.

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There's a certain double standard at work here. Nothing that was said by kiwitt was insulting, but you were sensitive enough to take it personally. You got very personal, but don't want to take responsibility for it.

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No, it was unintentionally insulting. I would take responsibility if it mean't anything which it didn't.

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This is the root of the problem. Yours is the only opinion that counts, so since you can't see how this kind of rudeness is hurting the Org you will continue to act childish as you see fit. Too bad.

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Seriously get off the soapbox. It's unbecoming.

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Again, only that which is important to you matters. The mountain here is that boorish behavior is making this place unpleasant, but you don't care. IMO its selfish, say what you want no matter what anybody else thinks.

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Which is the whole reason for coming here in the first place. The safety of a near annoymus user name to say what's on your mind.

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I'm no prude, I can trade barbs and insults all day too. I live and work with some of the toughest people you'll ever meet. I don't tell people they are out of line unless it is real, and you were out of line. What you said wasn't fun or funny, it was sad.

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It was fun and funny and you are being prudish. It was not out of line, but perfectly in line with the spirit of the thread.

I've always wondered what it was like to be the Homer Simpson to another persons Frank Grimes. Now I know. ~:) And I am unimpressed and uncaring and unchanged.

Ahhh.... the wonderful generation gap! ~:cheers:

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This is one of the most convoluted things Ive ever read. It may have been a bit harder but far from impossible. Some peple are really handy with a slide rule. Its not like calculators do something we cant. We invented them. The big difference s that we actually had to learn how things worked in math and do the work ourselves and not just push some numbers and hit enter. Everything being equal why would more people fail? Its not like some are using calculators. We all had the same handicap. We had to think.

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Once again using your incredible talent you have managed to avoid the main of that post by sidetracking it with annoying technicality. Well done Gawain. You want your medal now or later? :balloon2:

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Once again using your incredible talent you have managed to avoid the main of that post by sidetracking it with annoying technicality. Well done Gawain. You want your medal now or later?

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So much for the question have you been a good boy. Also could you please be a bit more specific as to what Im avoiding. The "main" leaves a lot to ponder. I gues you mean I am good at backing my statements with facts(annoying technicality)

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Was I actually giving the impression that I was deeply offended by what kiwitt said? I bothered me a wee little bit. It was no big deal. So I tossed out an amusing little comeback that I use in situations like that. And you keep coming after me for it.

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You keep contradicting yourself. First you say it was a harmless little joke, but when pressed harder you admit that you were upset by what kiwitt said. Sometimes you say you are only a little upset, but, again, when the truth comes out it appears you took it very personally

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I found kiwitt's comments to be rude and insulting not to mention arrogant and condecending, I know he didn't intend to but it came out that way. In short I took exception to it, so like I had been brought up I responded in kind. I don't know why he chose to crap from a great height on everyone who happens to have a birthday after December 31 1979 but he did, and I didn't like it. Those of us born after 1980 have the distinct pleasure of inherriting the crap heap that those born in the 30's 40's 50's 60's and 70's made the world.

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Since nothing kiwitt said was aimed at you or anyone else - it was actually a very positive piece about who we are - it seems like what actually happened was that you saw a chance to be rude and insulting - make a quick smartass comment without any responsibility.

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Degrading this place? Get on your soapbox much.

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No, I don't. But I (and others) are tired or coming in here and wading through the crap and we want to see this place a little more like it used to be. So I'm standing up to try to make it a better place.

Since you don't understand that, you have to resort to (weak) insults and barbs.

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I would take responsibility if it mean't anything which it didn't.

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You did take responsibility for being insulting, if only I could get you to understand that the rude and mean-spirited stuff you wrote doesn't belong here, and that there's a better way to interact to with people.

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Which is the whole reason for coming here in the first place. The safety of a near annoymus user name to say what's on your mind.

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That's right, online you can write what you want and no one can do anything about it. But what about personal responsibility - that internal drive to check our own actions.

The Org is meant to be an friendly place, but you seem to want to use as your own free-fire zone, a place where you can say whatever whenever, then run and hide behind your monitor and say 'haha'.

All that I'm asking you to do is to stop and realize that you do have a responsibility to interact in a positive way in here, and that in this case you failed to do that.

Instead of replying to kiwitt in a positive way, you took the easy way and threw up a smartass insult - AKA a cheap shot.

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It was fun and funny and you are being prudish. It was not out of line, but perfectly in line with the spirit of the thread.

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It wasn't fun or funny, it was sad. It was out of line

Tell me, Lars, what exactly is so painful to you in this post?

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First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a tin, and didn't get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.

As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a ute on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drink with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.

No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!

The Junior Football teams had practice games and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!

And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!

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So you think that was funny, and perfectly in line with the spirit of the thread. Well, you're wrong. It was wrong to post it and wrong to deny responsibility.

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And I am unimpressed and uncaring and unchanged.

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Of course you are. I too am unimpressed with your arguments. I too am unchanged in regards to the post that started all of this. I too can come in here and write what I like from the safety of my kitchen.

The difference is that I do care. I care about the Org and the little online community we've built. You don't understand that, from your posting it appears that you care only for yourself.

I'm asking you to stop taking every opportunity to be rude and insulting, and you're defending your selfish right to be a little jerk. I'm not sorry about which side I'm on.

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It was an AP when you were in college?! wow, didn't know that.

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ichi ~:cheers:

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Ah. Thank you.


Can't we all just get along ~:grouphug:

Yes. please be quiet this isn't a competition. Everyone always looks back and says "ah I remember the good ol' days" but really in retrospect they really weren't all THAT good. I think for me the 90s was about the best, great economy, relative peace..etc. etc. would I want to go back? Hell no.

So the 30s,40s,50s,60s,70s were that good? Okay in the 30s there was the great depression...not that good

in the 40s you had the bloodiest war in history...not that good of an era

in the 50s you had Korean War and Cold War Crisis really taking hold...not that good of an era

in the 60s you had the Cold War reach it's peak, you had the Vietnam War, and the Hippies... not that great of an era really

in the 70s you had the waning of the Cold war (which was good), Explosive situations in the middle east, A-Track Stereos, Afros, Disco Music, Economic Decline, Nixon...Ford...Carter. Not that great...

in the 80s you had Buttrock Punk Bands and Weird ass Hairstyles, But the Beginning of the Digital Age(so it wasn't THAT bad...but it still sucked)

90s Internet Becomes Mainstream, Computers (and then Computer Games) becoming more and more advanced, Digital Age take holds, Good Economy, just a few Flashpoint Wars (Iraq,Kosovo, Serbia). On the Downside you have the beginning of Pop Culture, Extreme Lethargy and therefore obesity epidemic in the US, etc. etc. (So it wasn't too bad...)

2000s... GWB, Christian Conservatism Takes Deep Root, Terrorism, War in Iraq, Economic Decline. However Computers and Technology is still the best its ever been.

The Lesson is no era was really ALL that great in retrospect, they had their good times and their bad times, but I don't think I would want to go back. The Previous Generations (X and Before) Are considered the Hardest Working Generation in Modern History, the downside of this has for the most part, that generations after X (Y...O) have been relatively latchkey, Gen-Xrs really don't pay much attention to their families and were more concerned about their personal lives,and their own responsabilities rather than the people around them, I can attest, because I had to grow up and take responsbility for myself and my brothers when I was about 12 years old because my parents were so self centered that they forgot about us, and I have many, many, many friends who have had the same thing happen to them. This had led modern Generations into taking a more Reserved and Lax, and independent role, also they are more in tuned to being with a family core. How many generation Xers here can say that their parents never really ignored them until they were out of the house? probably a lot... how many Generation Y and O can say the same thing? Probably not near as many, our fault as a generation is Xs Failure at being a good parent and example, its Catch .22, we are your children. And you could say that "its just the individuals fault" but the large economic and athropologetic proof that shows that Xers are responsible for where we are today. Having that said, Xers are still human, and like humans can vary vastly from person to person, this isn't a generalization, it's the economic and social struggles that dictate how a generation will act on a broad scale. Generation Xers for the most part are moderate and liberal people, who gave birth to the Ys, and because of the economic and social situations we have grown up in, because Ys are still young at this point, there has been no determination as to where we stand in politics, some indicate that Ys will be the most conservative generation since the 30-50s, other indications seem to think that Ys are the most liberal because of our social situation, I think that there will be a split in thought for our generation, as proof we have 4 good examples right in this forum... on the right for Ys we have PJ and Kaiser, on the left we have have Steppe Merc and BP, both show rather mediocre/extreme views... I think our Liberal to Conservative Gap will grow even greater when our Generation takes over politics, dare I say leading to an eventually break up of the US? perhaps, our future is not yet known.