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cool really cool those skins roolz and the axes are great wohaaaaaaaaaaa
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nice. very nice skins. is everything cool with khelvan and aymar (and the rest)?
btw, nice progress on the animations (sig).
what, exactly, are the new animations? just the 2-handed pike and 2-handed spear(cav) or more?
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Very good looking! I think they will be my favourite barbarian faction when I play EB... I never really gave any barbarian factions a chance really, I like my organized battle lines..
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yeah. i'm really gonna give this faction a chance.
I liek strait battle lines (phalanxes), but wiht modern AI it's impossible to go || so it's a pitty.
And i'm currently more of a skirmisher myself. rtr+darthmod. and still 30% is killed with my thureophoroi+rout-charges for my hetairoi.
definatly gonna love forest fight against the phalanxes, ambushing, skirmishing. argh i'm getting excited!
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nice. very nice skins. is everything cool with khelvan and aymar (and the rest)?
Yeah everyone is ok, we are just very busy with the mod recently.
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btw, nice progress on the animations (sig).
what, exactly, are the new animations? just the 2-handed pike and 2-handed spear(cav) or more?
There are many new skeletons wich are done and must be done, let me name some wich are done but also wich are in progress: 2 handed swordsman, 2 you mentioned, 1 handed axeman, javelinman for elephants and chariots, overhand spearman(foot and mount) and so on.
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mounted+overhead stabbing..sounds weird. will that be teh animation for fighting "militia" cav? (ridon harjaz etc)
btw, what is there to change about the chariots? will Kopis soldiers use the one-handed-axe? it was a slashing sword. or am i wrong?
oh wait: it has a point, and due to the weight distribution the sword will be likely to go further in. right/wrong?
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didnt know you could animate! this will improve the game a lot! GOD BLESS THIS MOD!! final stronghold for hardcored rtw players
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those axemen look like they could do a fair ammount of ass kicking.
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Originally Posted by the_handsome_viking
those axemen look like they could do a fair ammount of ass kicking.
yes the first guy is scary, a 1.60 meters roman against a 1.90 meters barbarian with an axe, it was terrifying
but still it seems a little slim, i mean, some wolf furs over their shoulders will make it much more terrifying
and other thing, in barbarian lands, i mean, north europe, its cold, why self naked warriors? only intimidation purposes or anithing beyond that?
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well the Gaesatae (sp?) were not officially released. but it's basically a Milnaht(sp?) without the pants.
and i never really got the idea what is impressive about a naked guy fighting when it's 5 degrees outside..
but fighting without a shirt would mean more freedom of movement.
btw, are warriors (who where historically picked for their size) actually larger than regular soldiers? (game-EB)? thats terrifying!
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Originally Posted by jerby
mounted+overhead stabbing..sounds weird. will that be teh animation for fighting "militia" cav? (ridon harjaz etc)
No they use a normal spearman skeleton, about the mounted overhand skeleton, just imagine how you would stabb with spear like a foot soldier only down, so i don't see why it should be whyred.
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btw, what is there to change about the chariots? will Kopis soldiers use the one-handed-axe? it was a slashing sword. or am i wrong?
oh wait: it has a point, and due to the weight distribution the sword will be likely to go further in. right/wrong?
Hmm i haven't thought about thatand i haven't looked at the chariot swordsman animations,i'll take a look at it, but i did plan to do a spearman skeleton for chariot, not sure if it will be used but i will leave for some months and wan't to leave the guys everything they need to make new units, i will still drop by tough.
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Originally Posted by jerby
well the Gaesatae (sp?) were not officially released. but it's basically a Milnaht(sp?) without the pants.
and i never really got the idea what is impressive about a naked guy fighting when it's 5 degrees outside..
but fighting without a shirt would mean more freedom of movement.
btw, are warriors (who where historically picked for their size) actually larger than regular soldiers? (game-EB)? thats terrifying!
Yes we made scaled skeletons for different units, this means that different units will be larger/shorter than others.
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didnt know you could animate! this will improve the game a lot! GOD BLESS THIS MOD!! final stronghold for hardcored rtw players
Yeah, i've been kept secret for to much time, this has come to an end. ~:)
Gotta sleep now guys, seeya.
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Originally Posted by infierno
yes the first guy is scary, a 1.60 meters roman against a 1.90 meters barbarian with an axe, it was terrifying
but still it seems a little slim, i mean, some wolf furs over their shoulders will make it much more terrifying
indeed, how much damage do you think those axes will do though? the same ammount as chosen axemen?
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i really like the look of those units, i just hope that those guys will be able to withstand attacks from other factions.
in germania it says their spears were very sharp, i wonder if that fact will be reflected in the hit points they can deliver with a spear.
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i have a Q guys, is it posible to make different soldiers heigh? i mean, im not 100% sure, but i remember that romans were said to be like 1.60 tall, while some nordic barbarians reached 1.90-1.80 tall, its really a good difference and would be another good eyecandy
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Originally Posted by jerby
well the Gaesatae (sp?) were not officially released. but it's basically a Milnaht(sp?) without the pants.
and i never really got the idea what is impressive about a naked guy fighting when it's 5 degrees outside..
but fighting without a shirt would mean more freedom of movement.
There is a pyschological point to fighting naked; an enemy is more prone to be afraid of a man who is so sure of his physical resilience and personal skill that he sees no danger in fighting nude. That was a very real advantage, and naked Celtic fanatics really were a source of terror to those who fought them. Further, the Gaesatae weren't just impressive in terms of bravery; they would imbibe a 'potion' (actually a type of painkiller) that would make them unable to feel pain. The Gaesatae did things like tear javelins that struck them out of their body and throw them back. The seeming fearlessness of Gaesatae, combined with their remarkable ability to withstand physical suffering and continue to fight, made them truly fear inspiring. It's hard to get an idea of it largely due to modern sensibilities of things; today, a soldier who fights naked would just be seen as crazy. During the late iron age, that was a sign of utter fearlessness, which would be both heartening for their allies, and very terrifying for their enemies.
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Originally Posted by Ranika
There is a pyschological point to fighting naked; an enemy is more prone to be afraid of a man who is so sure of his physical resilience and personal skill that he sees no danger in fighting nude. That was a very real advantage, and naked Celtic fanatics really were a source of terror to those who fought them. Further, the Gaesatae weren't just impressive in terms of bravery; they would imbibe a 'potion' (actually a type of painkiller) that would make them unable to feel pain. The Gaesatae did things like tear javelins that struck them out of their body and throw them back. The seeming fearlessness of Gaesatae, combined with their remarkable ability to withstand physical suffering and continue to fight, made them truly fear inspiring. It's hard to get an idea of it largely due to modern sensibilities of things; today, a soldier who fights naked would just be seen as crazy. During the late iron age, that was a sign of utter fearlessness, which would be both heartening for their allies, and very terrifying for their enemies.
Not only that , they were apparantly quite magnificent of physique and kept their skin untanned to create a rather singular appearance {I understand Ranika will know this ; the point is for the poster of the question that prompted his repily and others who mightn't know} .
They must have looked like heavily muscled wraiths ~D
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True; the Gaesatae would have a truly horrifying appearance. Baring in mind that Celts removed their body hair, their bodies looked quite pale in battle (not only pale skinned, but not even hair to give it a somewhat darker palor). It wasn't unheard of in other places; the Silures, for example, had somewhat similar warriors. They didn't fight nude, but they would use a white powder on their body (as if they were being prepared for burial) to give them the appearance of animated dead; the idea was to make one appear as horrifyingly monsterous as possible. Gaesatae were giant in size, seemingly invincible due to a drug that was essentially PCP (a modern horse tranquilizer; ask a police officer what it's like to engage a PCP addict; they can take a blast from a shotgun and keep moving), fearless because of said drug combined with conditioning, training and experience, and great inherent physical strength. Real 'naked fanatics' were a lot more devestating, both physically and in terms of morale, than CA's cheap knock-offs would have one understand. Not to mention no one ever seems to approach them seriously; they had very good reasons to fight how they did, and they were very effective in the process. However, the fact that they're nude is what's focused on; not that they're nude and X other things that are done in tandem to make them all the more frightening.
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that is very interesting, really. didn't know about teh drug. it's sickening and wicked..makes me realize how much CA fucked up..
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I`ve already seen this units in the sweboz preview and i must say that germans will have one of the best looking units of all RTW mods. Great work guys.
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...just to let you know you've seen only the half of the new germanic units.
We have some special models & animations (thanks to Alin) and Textures (thanks webbird) for you.
In the future (open beta) you can enjoy units like the Frámêhárjōz, Athálingōz, Hundáskápiz, Gáizáhárjōz and many more...
It is so sad, that we are not allowed to show them yet ~;)
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Originally Posted by SaFe
...just to let you know you've seen only the half of the new germanic units.
We have some special models & animations (thanks to Alin) and Textures (thanks webbird) for you.
In the future (open beta) you can enjoy units like the Frámêhárjōz, Athálingōz, Hundáskápiz, Gáizáhárjōz and many more...
It is so sad, that we are not allowed to show them yet ~;)
are you serious real Athálingōz, Hundáskápiz and Gáizáhárjōz wow those are my favourites, ~;)
...euhm...what are those? Could you give some information about them so we can at least dream about this night :)
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...but better start training your spelling and pronunciation skills! :laugh4:
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are you serious real Athálingōz, Hundáskápiz and Hundáskápiz wow those are my favourites, ~;)
...euhm...what are those? Could you give some information about them so we can at least dream about this night :)
Ah, but that would be lame and boring. Where would be the surprise?
BUT: If you somehow get a idea what this names mean i'll give you some info about them. ~;)
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Ah, but that would be lame and boring. Where would be the surprise?
BUT: If you somehow get a idea what this names mean i'll give you some info about them. ~;)
owkay sure Ancient german how hard can it be...Aiks that hard.
Dux: I alread exercised the last closed betas units: Mêrjōz, Wōdánáwulfōz. you see!
what they mean? Since Dutch is related to german I'll give it a try (this is going to be ridiculous, anyway):
Frameharjoz: some cavalry unit. heavy cav?
Gáizáhárjōz: some other cav. from Gaza? ~;)
Hundáskápiz: I'll bet it doesn't have to do with the cars, something with dogs?
hund is dog in german right? kapiz euhm... damn
Athálingōz: euhm... a german unit?
just gimme the bloody info will you? ~;)
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Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
owkay sure Ancient german how hard can it be...Aiks that hard.
Dux: I alread exercised the last closed betas units: Mêrjōz, Wōdánáwulfōz. you see!
what they mean? Since Dutch is related to german I'll give it a try (this is going to be ridiculous, anyway):
Frameharjoz: some cavalry unit. heavy cav?
Gáizáhárjōz: some other cav. from Gaza? ~;)
Hundáskápiz: I'll bet it doesn't have to do with the cars, something with dogs?
hund is dog in german right? kapiz euhm... damn
Athálingōz: euhm... a german unit?
just gimme the bloody info will you? ~;)
O.k. you tried really hard ~;)
Hund means dog in german, but is also has something to do with a number(not twenty, not fifty, but...) Perhaps that helps.
Gáizáz means Lance in protogermanic. Remember the attempt of the roman imperial legions to storm the hill at the battle on the Angrivarian wall? They were pushed back by some overlong lances - praelongas hastas as the romans learned to fear those weapons...
Frámê: The typical weapon of the germanics during this time...
Athálingōz: a hint - with some tknowledge in modern german - chance the t with a d and perhaps it makes some sense:-)
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Originally Posted by SaFe
O.k. you tried really hard ~;)
Hund means dog in german, but is also has something to do with a number(not twenty, not fifty, but...) Perhaps that helps.
Gáizáz means Lance in protogermanic. Remember the attempt of the roman imperial legions to storm the hill at the battle on the Angrivarian wall? They were pushed back by some overlong lances - praelongas hastas as the romans learned to fear those weapons...
Frámê: The typical weapon of the germanics during this time...
Athálingōz: a hint - with some tknowledge in modern german - chance the t with a d and perhaps it makes some sense:-)
-Hundred?
-lance cavalry
-axe cavalry? or spear? Since when I was playing sweboz I almost only had spear units.
Adaling? wth? schearched in my German dictionarry tried ada, adaling and ada* in Danish, Swedish, German and Norse on-line interpreters. but nothing!?
in what language can I find it back?
and lingoz something with laguage?
it doesn't have to do with muslims: Eid Ul-adha? right?
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Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
-Hundred?
-lance cavalry
-axe cavalry? or spear? Since when I was playing sweboz I almost only had spear units.
Adaling? wth? schearched in my German dictionarry tried ada, adaling and ada* in Danish, Swedish, German and Norse on-line interpreters. but nothing!?
in what language can I find it back?
and lingoz something with laguage?
it doesn't have to do with muslims: Eid Ul-adha? right?
Hmm you're to obsessed with cavarly and the germans weren't known for that, but another hint 1 of them is a cavarly unit.
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Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
-Hundred?
-lance cavalry
-axe cavalry? or spear? Since when I was playing sweboz I almost only had spear units.
Adaling? wth? schearched in my German dictionarry tried ada, adaling and ada* in Danish, Swedish, German and Norse on-line interpreters. but nothing!?
in what language can I find it back?
and lingoz something with laguage?
it doesn't have to do with muslims: Eid Ul-adha? right?
-Yes - Hundred - the best hundred warriors of a district.
-Frame is the germanic spear - a weapon good for melee and missile alike.
-Would you hold a hill with cavalry? No - but i try to convince the team to show you at least my favourite unit this far - concerning the skills of Alin and webbird this might change pretty soon:-)
-Perhaps you know the german word Adelig or Edeltum?
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Athalingoz : something noble
Hundaskapiz : maybe some infantry in number of 100 men
Frameharjoz : cavalry using framea (and again, framea was in use in III century ad)
Gaizaharjoz : cavalry equiped with lances.
Am i right?
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Hmm you're to obsessed with cavarly and the germans weren't known for that, but another hint 1 of them is a cavarly unit.
what's wrong with cavalry?
hmmm I'v gotta think this time (how can you do this to me!!! :p)
let me think....
-the hundred was correct yippi!!!
-lancemen?
-frame so another spear unit?
-no I don't know those german words but I do know their dutch counter parts so noblemen I assume, then this is the one cavalry unit?
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Originally Posted by Dago
Athalingoz : something noble
Hundaskapiz : maybe some infantry in number of 100 men
Frameharjoz : cavalry using framea (and again, framea was in use in III century ad)
Gaizaharjoz : cavalry equiped with lances.
Am i right?
Frame was still in use in 300 AD along with the frankish Angon.
But the Frame was also the germanic weapon the Cimbrii and Ambronii used.
Cavalry played only a supporting role in germanic warfare - at least till 50 BC.
If you like cavalry units Steppe Merc is your best friend:-)
The Germanics were fast, flexible warriors, but relied not too much on cavalry - something very intelligent if you live in those moor-bog-forest lands. ~;)
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Damn Dago beat me! how unfair!:p
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Maybe you are right, after all EB has the knowledge ~;) . But was i right with athalingoz?
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Maybe you are right, after all EB has the knowledge ~;) . But was i right with athalingoz?
Yes, you are right with the nobles and - praise the gods - not only nobles but also cavalry:-)
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Yeah, i`m the man!!! :charge: Now i must think about the hundaskapiz, hmm... what could it be.... I got it, wait a sec.. ~D
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They are some kind of clan warriors, warriors from a society similiar to the celtic clans called sibbe (proto germanic sebjo). Group of 100 sibben was called hundaskapiz, members of the sebjos were of noble birth. Now i am waiting for a reward (maybe some extra screenies of this units on my PM ~;) )
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Originally Posted by Dago
They are some kind of clan warriors, warriors from a society similiar to the celtic clans called sibbe (proto germanic sebjo).
Not really, but as a other hint:
The were considered the best and most agile warriors of a district - 100 men chosen for special tactical purposes.
A sebjo would have real problems to muster 100 warriors:-) Only the largest could have done this.
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Check now SaFe i`ve edited my post.
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Check now SaFe i`ve edited my post.
Sorry - again no
You could best translate Hundaskapiz with Hundredship or Group of Hundred. And No - they were not necessarily of noble birth. Noble birth was in germanic society not something you could build rulership on - they had a special mix of democracy and monarchy. Oh, i'm carried away - this doesn't belong here - perhaps it belongs more in our traits and ancillaries theme or still better in our recruiting system or still better in our new building system, or...
Chosen (argh - i hate this word - it reminds me of CA's historical view) warriors to accomplish a special task - and here we are back with our beloved theme cavalry:-)
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Oh, well, but i was close was i? Now that i decoded ~;) all the names you could provide some info on these units.
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yes Dago is right now gimme the info!!!!
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What info do you want?
You figured out almost all:-)
But here is the description of the Gáizáhárjōz for your curiosty fans.Naturally descriptions are still in work, but you get the idea behind the unit.
The Gáizáhárjōz (Lance Warriors) are hard-nosed, disciplined warriors and
fight in a very dense formation unlike most other germanic warbands.
In years of constant battle with southern nations they adapted new strategies and learned to form a impenetrable shield-wall. The germanic lance is a deadly and intimidating weapon with a long spearhead,
making those warriors able to break almost any armor from the distance and are the fatility for the enemy, cavalry and infantry alike.
Historically the Gáizáhárjōz naturally developed through contact woth southern cultures. The lances were adapted to the amour and the cavalry tactics the enemies of the germanic tribes used. Their large shields, packed one at the other, indeed supplied an almost perfect protection while their lances belonged to the deadliest in the ancient world. The germanic lance was a deadly weapon with long, about 41-45 cm spearhead. If this type of thrusting weapon was mentioned, they were always called “enormous” or “over-long lances.
If i tell more they will kill me and i will not be able to finish the work on the germanics. Do you want that?If you want to see a pic of this unit you can try to bribe Alin:-)
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Ok thank you SaFe. Alin how much do you want? ~;)
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how about soem digital beers?
here's one in advance:
http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/p...ekenanyone.jpg
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Hummmmmmmm... :angry:
Trying to bribe my men? Do we need discipline here? :whip:
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nothing happening here, move along.
let us bribe alin...just a tiny thing..
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Ah germans!!, they look even better now!!
Nice job Alin, Webbird and Safe!!
Safe,
Some germanic's that dwell close to the Celts are very influested by them.
Will EB refect this in the Germanic unit list?!
And what about the NordWesternblock tribes ?!
Some scientist believe that tribes like the Chatti, Cheruscii where not really germans at all.
Wikipedia link
NordWestBlock
PS: The Axe man look's a bit like the germanic chieftan in Gladiator
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nothing happening here, move along.
let us bribe alin...just a tiny thing..
Ah Safe look what you've done, sorry guys i will leave this in the hands of Aymar, he can post them.
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PS: The Axe man look's a bit like the germanic chieftan in Gladiator
I this good?! ~:confused:
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I this good?! ~:confused:
Alin don't get me wrong this unit is one of my favorite EB unit but it reminds me a bit of the germanic chieftain in gladiator.
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Ah germans!!, they look even better now!!
Nice job Alin, Webbird and Safe!!
Safe,
Some germanic's that dwell close to the Celts are very influested by them.
Will EB refect this in the Germanic unit list?!
And what about the NordWesternblock tribes ?!
Some scientist believe that tribes like the Chatti, Cheruscii where not really germans at all.
Wikipedia link
NordWestBlock
PS: The Axe man look's a bit like the germanic chieftan in Gladiator
About celtic influence: Yes we reflect this in several aspects of the game - not only unit-wise.
Personally i don't believe the thing about the nordwestblock, and there are not many historians following this thinking about the ideas of this scientists. So, No, Chattii and Cheruscii belong to the germanic culture. Also the Hermundurii definately belonged to the suebian confederation.
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What kind of units nobles will be? Infantry or cavalry? Will they wear armor?
So many questions to ask...
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I think that they could be some heavy infantry very well equiped (just guessing).
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Athalingoz are nobles on horses - but not available at the start of the game.
Germanic chieftains and nobles fought almost ever on foot to encourage their warriors. Germanic warriors fought only so good as their Harjanaz(Warlord).This changed only around AD.
Dago - the Herthoz are probably what you mean:-)
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Hey, Safe could you tell us some more about the hundaskapiz? I dont want you to post here their description but you could tell us what weapons they used, how they fought and stuff like that, thank you in advance.
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Originally Posted by SaFe
Athalingoz are nobles on horses - but not available at the start of the game.
Germanic chieftains and nobles fought almost ever on foot to encourage their warriors. Germanic warriors fought only so good as their Harjanaz(Warlord).This changed only around AD.
Dago - the Herthoz are probably what you mean:-)
But did they wear armor? And what kind of outfit they had in general?
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But did they wear armor? And what kind of outfit they had in general?
Herthoz were the best equipped men in the germanic army - so yes they will wear armour - either pillaged or traded from the gauls. Also the germanics were fast to adopt new ways, so the learned the iron working real fast.
Athalingoz wear armour too, but as i aid they are not recruitable at the start of the game.
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Herthoz were the best equipped men in the germanic army - so yes they will wear armour - either pillaged or traded from the gauls. Also the germanics were fast to adopt new ways, so the learned the iron working real fast.
Athalingoz wear armour too, but as i aid they are not recruitable at the start of the game.
Ok, thanks. One more question. What kind of horse those Athalingoz ride?
As far as I know germanic horses were pretty much pony like and not suitable for carrying armored man.
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Hey, Safe could you tell us some more about the hundaskapiz? I dont want you to post here their description but you could tell us what weapons they used, how they fought and stuff like that, thank you in advance.
The hundakapiz will use 2 handed celtic long shword.
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Ridoharjoz rode small germanic horses - the feet of the warriors often reached the ground.
Athalingoz had access to better horses. Also romans often equipped them with good horses as the germanics were highly praised mercenaries, who usually came on top gallic cavalry in battles.
Vercingetorix learned a bitter lesson this way.
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I guest that was the last question for now, thanks a lot SaFe.
It really isn't very easy to find proper information about germanics in 3th century
Bc.
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The hundakapiz will use 2 handed celtic long shword.
Will they be something like the celtic champions?
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similar but not the same. They were used for special tactical purposes too, but yes they were usual the best hundred warriors of a Gawjam(district)
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just post the damn screenie!!!
~;)
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Do you have ever seen Aymar's whip?
If you would have seen it you would not ask me to post the screens ~;)
Perhaps if you ask real nice, Aymar is willing to show you the Gaizaharjoz before the open beta...
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i can already guess his respons, and is the beta ThAt close?
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About celtic influence: Yes we reflect this in several aspects of the game - not only unit-wise.
Personally i don't believe the thing about the nordwestblock, and there are not many historians following this thinking about the ideas of this scientists. So, No, Chattii and Cheruscii belong to the germanic culture. Also the Hermundurii definately belonged to the suebian confederation.
I was wondering how the distinction between Germans and Celts will be expressed in the mod. Are they different cultures? Can they recruit each other's units?
I don't know very much about this part of history, but I understand it hard to distinguish between the two groups, so I was wondering what EB's take on this is.
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Originally Posted by jerby
just post the damn screenie!!!
~;)
It seems the threat of the whip only causes excitment in this one. He is probably an SM fan. I'll have to sharpen my falcata instead. :devil:
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Originally Posted by Ludens
I was wondering how the distinction between Germans and Celts will be expressed in the mod. Are they different cultures? Can they recruit each other's units?
No. They were different cultures although technological wise Celts did influenced Germanic tribes a lot.
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I don't know very much about this part of history, but I understand it hard to distinguish between the two groups, so I was wondering what EB's take on this is.
Well, Ranika, Psycho and SaFe can explain better but they were easy to distiguish not only by their religion, languages or looks but by their own social life.
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Originally Posted by SaFe
Ridoharjoz rode small germanic horses - the feet of the warriors often reached the ground.
Athalingoz had access to better horses. Also romans often equipped them with good horses as the germanics were highly praised mercenaries, who usually came on top gallic cavalry in battles.
Vercingetorix learned a bitter lesson this way.
i recall vaguely (a long time since i read it) Caesar launching his german horses on the gauls after their cavalry tried to ambush the legions in march order, the gauls had been repulsed and were desorganized when the germans stroke...
And at Alesia when they were busy assaulting the fortifications (and probably disorganised too, maybe dismounted considering the situation). That speak a lot about Caesar's tactical sense and units control, not that much about intrinsic superiority of the germanic horsemen. By the way he used them only because his gallic allies betrayed him and he was left without enough cavalry support.
I don't doubt they were good troops, if Caesar praised them there must have been a reason, but i doubt they were necessarily superior to gallic cavalry.
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They were superior. Gallic cavalry were unreliable in comparison to germanic one.
Ariovist conquered the lands of the aedui thanks to his cavalry tactics too.
Not to say gallic cavalry was worse, but normally germanic cavalry came on top.
Later - in the wars of Caesar Germanicus against the germanic tribes under Arminius his soldiers were short of revolt, because their superiors wanted to sent the batavian auxiliary horsemen away (fear of treason).
Also there is a interesting part of the Tencterii and their rooting of Caesar's gallic cavalry.
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Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
It seems the threat of the whip only causes excitment in this one. He is probably an SM fan. I'll have to sharpen my falcata instead. :devil:
yeah, whips suck, and falacat's rule!
but seriously, i'm just curious
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Originally Posted by jerby
yeah, whips suck, and falacat's rule!
but seriously, i'm just curious
Ok here you go:
https://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3512/79oh.jpg
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argh...thats mean...and it doesnt even have a weapon..
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Originally Posted by jerby
argh...thats mean...and it doesnt even have a weapon..
ah don't worry, you'll see it soon...trust me ~:)
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What is that unit you have posted? I`ve zoomed it to the max, can`t see much but this is better than nothing. ~:)
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Originally Posted by Dago
What is that unit you have posted? I`ve zoomed it to the max, can`t see much but this is better than nothing. ~:)
Finally someone who doesn't coplain~:), it the gaizaz harjoz that Safe was talking about and wich it's he's favourite german unit but not also mine. ~;)
