look for me we can practice a few 1v1s
welcome to mp mate
ichi :bow:
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look for me we can practice a few 1v1s
welcome to mp mate
ichi :bow:
Hi Ichi,
so it WAS you I spotted!
In the right hand list your name was greyed out for a lot of the time, so I couldn't send any messages to you. Guess you were in-game.
I had a whale of a time actually. Loused up a lot of things, got creamed but still contrived to be on the winning side several times ~D
2v2 I'm fairly comfortable with, 3v3 I felt crowded out in the centre (wanted space for my Ginettes but had trees and allied troops in the way) and it'll take time to adjust to the bigger matches but 1v1 would allow me to do things at my own pace, so I'd be happy to meet up.
I'm off looking for that logfile-reader thingy.
I got the Shogun logfile reader by mistake and discovered that it doesn't understand the MTW logfile format.
Tried again, got the right one and find it very easy to use, yet slightly confusing where the summary of your battle results (bold letters) doesn't tally with the totals on the lower right of the scrolling spreadsheet-thing.
Also, I'm seeing anomalies where it appears that a player spent more than their florin allocation and even some of my selections show this, so there seems to be some kind of error in the unit costs coded into it.
Was it designed for MTW and costs are different in v2.01?
I shall be online again today... for MOST of today, I suspect ~;)
Hope to see you there.
:charge: :duel:
ichi,
I'm going online sometime in the next 10 mins. A 1 v 1 would be most welcome. See you there.
You may have to relog after each multiplayer battle to refresh the player list.
I use the TWBrowser for reading logfiles, and it works well for VI.
Hi Puzz,
Yup, I have to relog often, since I've been hosting quite a bit.
I notice people's names in the right-hand list grey out when they go afk too.
The one I've got is "TW Logfile Browser 2" but there's no menus, such as Help|About to even see who it's by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzz3D
gah!!!!!!!!!1 don't let ichi teach you how to paly mp :)
I agree. heck, even I can beat him :whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by t1master
(ok, so maybe I was on top of a mountain the first time... :devilish: )
nor should you let goats teach you to spell ~:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by t1master
ichi :bow:
ps
T get you butt back in the lobby
we're movin house mate...i'll be back soon.
woooooooooooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooo!
~:cheers:
Truth be, only Kafirs knows how to teach - ask anyone ... like T1, eh? But, Kafirs don't have patience with those unwilling to listen - much like the old stw AI teacher ("Wrong! Are you stupid or do you persist in disobedience?").
Me, I am sorta patient - but, do not forgive the same mistake more than twice - after screwing up twice I figure a person is not really intent on learning the system so much as watching his men die (much like Bush430.
Thats my offer. Obey me, or die. ~D
EYG I'll be getting the game again. Though I have'nt played for two years or so, I'd like to have some MP games with you.
Hi Sinan,
Great. Bring Turks. ~;)
Ichi,
I've seen you in the lobby several times but it seems you're seldom in a talkative mood and I'm puzzled as to why. It's rather unnerving... :dizzy2:
I don't think we even managed a 'debrief' discussion after your training match with me - I checked the lobby shortly afterwards but it seems you'd gone.
If I've caused offence of some kind, please let me know what it was, so that I can apologize for it.
Not at all. Sometimes when there's 7 Hunters all chatting at once I miss messages, and sometimes I go AFK and miss also.
Look forward to seeing you online.
ichi :bow:
Hi ichi,
I have to admit that, seeing a bunch of Hunters all online but not greyed out as per in-game, it did occur to me that a conflab was in progress, so I thought better than to keep re-keying my messages and just said 'goodnight all' and left.
I can see some merit in hosting a game not to fight out a battle but as a team meeting room, since you can then filter the public chat and just talk to those in the game session. Of course, you'd need to password it if it was team tactics talk and, if not, stick on a title which makes it clear to those in the lobby that it's not going to be a battle anytime soon.
Occasionally, I've seen the NTW game being hosted, with 3/8 players and listed for longer than you'd expect for an actual battle setup, so I think they already use this technique. Similar occasional appearances by the ACW group - not enough members for a decent battle, so looking more like a general get-together.
hey EYG i still play the occasional game (though i must warn you im incredibly rusty) if you ever see [Fex]Octavian just give me a shout and i'll see if i can squeeze a game in.
i prefer early and viking era battle btw none of that pav dueling for the first 10 minutes of the game. :P
Hi octavian,
ON = Ontario? Give or take a bout of insomnia on my part, you're unlikely to spot me except at the weekends and if you start early in the day but I'd certainly welcome a go with Vikings. I'm none too familiar with the unit types though, having never attempted them, even in single player.
As a matter of fact, various things have stopped me from progressing SP campaigns very far into High, let alone Late era in MTW so, in MP, I'm frequently fighting with - and facing against - unit types which I'm equally unfamiliar with and it's taking time to adjust.
I suppose the trouble with Viking MP is that, if they're overwhelmingly the best faction you can pick, from the options available, then EVERY mp battle will just end up being Viking vs Viking, which must get a bit dull after a time, no?
I'm happy to indulge in more than a few Viking civil war battles but will inevitably end up experimenting with some of the others, if only to see if any of them have a hope of standing up to them.
Hope to see you online sometime.
try the irish!!! thier overwhelming numbers and sharp pointy flying sticks can send the vikings packing and they have good cavs. :) vikings is an overlooked era, but one that is more intuitive than the others, imo.
i had some fun games with ichi the other night, even went to mtw vanilla for some interesting games, didn't even have to engage my army in the one ~D
The Welsh are pretty good as well.
1)well i donno where you live, but my time online vary from early afternoon till 5AM depending on whats going on that day. ive had times where i was the only North American online ('cept for one drunk guy :D) everyone else was Australia etc :PQuote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
2) well quite frankly, i never use the vikings. i find their lack of any type of decent cav weakens them as much as their uber inf strenghtens them. a well balanced mercian army for example with valoured up saxon huscarles can hold its own and often win) against a viking army. (vikings dont like getting charged from behind by mounted nobles you see :P)
One of the funnest (and funniest) nights spent playing MTW online ever. During the next morning exercises I quit doing situps cause my belly hurt from laughing so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by t1master
Backstabbin swipers. Gotta love vanilla
ichi :bow:
That's exactly what you would think normally. Joms and Huscarles are a terror in the campaign game but in multiplayer you can upgrade all sorts of strange units and turn them into fierce fighting machines. You won't find many serious players even use the Vikings for the very reason octavian said... their cav is so poor. The strongest unit imho is a valor 3 or 4 celtic warrior. It's a hundred sword unit with an irresistable charge like the highlander clansmen in mtw. These guys dont even wear shirts so the armor piercer's(guys with the axes) are less effective against them. The Picts and the Welsh both have access to them. The Picts will have better cav but the Welsh will have the bandits...at Val1 or 2 the longbow-ninja sword guys are pretty tough. :duel:Quote:
I suppose the trouble with Viking MP is that, if they're overwhelmingly the best faction you can pick, from the options available, then EVERY mp battle will just end up being Viking vs Viking, which must get a bit dull after a time, no?
[QUOTE=ichi]One of the funnest (and funniest) nights spent playing MTW online ever. During the next morning exercises I quit doing situps cause my belly hurt from laughing so much.
Pheewiitt, ichi do situps every mornings!!! :jumping:
That's coz he be a fireman...
There's something silly about that concept, don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rom
No armour = more effective versus AP?
I thought the idea was that AP bonus is supposed to negate armour bonus but someone with no armour should get sliced up like a good un?
I recall raising this in a debate some time ago and can't remember what the resolution of it was. ~:confused:
I'm encouraged to hear that serveral of the other factions will aquit themselves well, suitably valoured up. How about when the florins are limited and there's no leeway to valour up anything? Would you recommend taking fewer units, with adequate valour improvements, or chance it with 16 x v0?
Well, I hope I see some of you guys on there, ready for a game. I just can't get to play! there are so few people, and the ones that are there seem to be in MTW, not VI. I'm coming close to giving up.
Oh, no no no Axe, im always there (ask EYG and ichi) to allow peoples to whoop my ass. Login and we could have some games. But beware of my cavs on the left flank
@Eyg: when the florins is under 10k i seldom take full 16 units, agree with u
no, i disagree.. always take 16 units. you can do more in terms of shattering enemy morale with the outnumbered bonus, plus you will have more units to help flank, even if they are of inferior morale, the flank penalty will further disgrace enemy troops into fleeing. ;)
It pains me no end, but I must agree with T1. Get elite cav and inf (base morale 8) and give them no upgrades, then add a lot of missile troops
*washes repeatedly*
ichi :bow:
The armor piercing bonus only applies to armor. You can still have a good defense value without armor by adding valor.Quote:
I thought the idea was that AP bonus is supposed to negate armour bonus but someone with no armour should get sliced up like a good un?
The axe men have a standard attak value...say 5. Plus if the enemy is wearing armor they receive a bonus depending on how good the armor is. Higher armor number bigger bonus. So if you have say a unit at armor 9 you may be getting a bonus of 3 or 4 added to the standard attak value of 5. Now the axemen are attaking at 8 or 9. Better to have a low or no armor unit on the armor piercers and put your armored troops against something less lethal if possible.
I have played a few low florin games, and like Ichi and UglyGoat I would go with 16 units.
Arkell, you agreed with me on less than 16 but, in fact, I was asking a question about other people's view on this. Personally, I would go for 16 and gamble on the opposing player(s) doing likewise, so I'm not expecting any major valour/morale mismatches.
Besides, I prefer to have the 'ground coverage' of a full formation - a narrower front invites partial overlap and/or flanking.
EYG, 16 unit army in my experience is better than a 12 unit army with more valour.
That's not the whole story. When a unit is given +1 armor it also gets +1 defend. What the armor piercing weapon does is halve the portion of the defend value that comes from armor:Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
attack bonus = (target armor - 1)/2.
Contributions to the armor value from the horse or shield are removed before calculating the attack bonus.
Generally, you want to take 16 units simply because upgrades are overpriced. For instance, a valor upgrade costs 70%, but only provides a 40% increase in combat power and a 2 point increase in morale. A weapon upgrade costs 33%, but only provides a 20% increase in combat power. An armor upgrade costs 35%, and provides a 20% increase in combat power and 1 point of armor. Also, the more ranged units you have the more total ammo you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
So for instance, a cmaa costs 250 florins and has 8 combat points. To double it's combat power you have to add 4 combat points which will be a double valor upgrade costing 472 florins (722 total unit cost). However, you could buy 8 combat points by getting another cmaa for 250 florins which would also double the number of men you have and give you two maneuverable units. So, it comes down to how well you can coordinate two weaker units against a single stronger unit. If you simply send in your weaker units one at a time, they will probably both loose to the stronger unit.
Valor upgrades are also used to raise the morale of low cost units which otherwise would rout very easily. For instance, highland clansmen at 100 florins can be boosted to morale = 4 and 7 combat points with a double valor upgrade which brings the unit's cost to 288 florins. A cmaa with no upgrades costs 250, has 8 combat points and morale = 4. So, the clandsmen are close to that, but still slightly weaker and slightly more expensive.
This is very true due to flanking bonus's and outnumbering like has been said. But there does come a point where the florins can get low enough where you cant buy 16 units with a decent valor. Morale below 6 for your core units can get very dicey. A good cavalry charge and a routing unit can often scare your whole army into a mass route.Quote:
EYG, 16 unit army in my experience is better than a 12 unit army with more valour.
I think of it more asQuote:
No armour = more effective versus AP?
"no armor = armor piercers not get to use thier big bonus on us ~;) "
I had some technical troubles a few days back and gave MP a miss for a few days. Hope to be back again soon.
Anyone seen Sinan online yet?
Ahh peoples, I must have mistaken at how 'low' florin the games we talking about. When i said i didnt take full 16 units, i might only sacrifice one unit or two at the most to compensate just a valor or to get those arbs some armor. Like when i had 150-200 florins left and thinking of bringing a feudal sergeants at v0 (altho ichi will kill me if he see's me bringing yet some spearmen ~D ) so i sacrifice them to give others some upgrade.
And yeah EYG, where are u??
Gah! Spears Gah!
*looks at Arkell 's army*
j/k mate, use what makes sense to you. My point to all new online players is that spears (Spearmen, Feudal Sargents, Order Foot, Saracens, whatever, any unit with spears) is that they have notoriously low morale, poor killing power, and are relatively expensive for what you get (in other words low value). Cav are adequate anticav, polearms even better.
That said, many experienced players (including ichi) use spears from time to time depending on the situation.
ichi :bow:
I like having 16 units and would never dream of having less, if the opponent has less then its even better because very few units no matter what morale rout when hit in back by extra unit :D
also i think the best anti-cav in game are horse archers, they can flank and shoot enemy cav/inf and run outa way when chased- if cav do chase them they get tired out + horse archers rnt terrible in combat so flanking with them ot using them vs light cav works just fine
Sucrvy, man, I thot you like you using those Skezs, I dont know you are in LOVE with them.. hope to see u around again to chase those annoying lil thing, been trying to login but keep getting those 'Account Details Error' msg which becomes annoying after 45mins now..
Edit: Ahh at last I logged in, and managed to play an epic :duel: with Elrich and Gawain against the Hunters (dang Ichi survived!) we lost but it was one of the best battle i played. Thanks guys. Need to do more :book:
your just jelous of a) how good they are b) how much they love me
Whoa ... you're a Hunter now Ichi-san? Very cool ~:) ... congrats and welcome. I haven't been over to the Hunter forum yet (I just got back online after a lengthy disconnect). Apparently I have a lot of catching up to do. Earlier today I did reply to Georgie's thoughtful e-mail, and asked him to harass Hik and Sun for me etc. If I'd have known you were on board I'd have asked him to harrass you too ~D.
I am currently Mr. Mom Toga for 3 kids under 5 (mom is recovering from major surgery and dad is a hard-working lawyer). I've also moved to a bedroom community outside of NYC (no more sucky Reno, YAY!!!). My computer died completely about a month ago, so I'm stuck using my buddie's laptop and won't be able to game anytime soon. For the time being I'll just annoy you all on the forums so I have plenty of challenges to answer when I get back--hopefully that will accelerate my reeducation as I surely suck after being away for so long ... (leaves the barn door WIDE open ...).
Nice to see the friendly banter in this thread, and to know that mtw and mtw/vi are still kicking. Happy Hunting, gents. I miss the games, but more so the good company. I hope I can make it back before too long.
- Hunter Togakure
Hey TO
Yes, Hunters invited me in a couple of months ago.
Some really good guys but you do need to keep harassing Hik and Sun.
Hope all is well, get back online soon
ichi :bow: