Is there any movie about Hannibal ? Did not find any .
Such a great story and Hollywood ignored it for decades , why ? Because he was not blonde ? ~;)
Or maybe there a movie about this great Semitic figure ?
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Is there any movie about Hannibal ? Did not find any .
Such a great story and Hollywood ignored it for decades , why ? Because he was not blonde ? ~;)
Or maybe there a movie about this great Semitic figure ?
Vin Diesel's version is coming out soon.
Thats right, the guy who brought like fifteen hundred tanks into Italy.
"Hannibal, what are we to do, the Romans are too many?
"Bring on the Hydrogen bomb!"
That's right its crammpacked with thin scripting, over done plot, non-existent acting and plenty of new age all American punch lines and Hannibals most famous saying "Yippy Key Yey Incompatible language"
Rated MR materialy retarted.
Still I'm not one to bash a movie before I've seen it.
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Well I've seen three movies with Hannibal in it.
The Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal and Red Dragon....What a charming fella that Hannibal was. ~:)
So you mean a movie about Hannibal Barca made in the last 40 odd years? Vin Diesel's version will be the first Hollywood and in english version of Hannibals story. There are 2 Italian versions, the first made by Mussolini's fascists in 1937 titled Scipione l'africano. And another Italian production from 1960 called Annibale.Quote:
Originally Posted by caesar44
There's going to be a Hannibal with vin Diesel ? We're doomed.
It's worse than that it's not with Vin Diesel it's by Vin Diesel. He's going to (if it gets made) direct and star in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meneldil
Hopefully he'll play the roman commander in the battle of Trebia, then we get rid of him quickly ~D unless they neglect historical accuracy more than usual ~:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
You should be so lucky he's going to play Hannibal, but you assumed that any way didn't you.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
I don't know; I can't really picture him as Hannibal, but he's got a decent track record. Certainly charismatic, as shown in Pitch Black. And remember people ridiculed his game Chronicles of Riddick when it was announced, and look how that turned out.
Stay openminded. Should be interesting at the very least.
I liked Pitch Black, but I never saw any of the others in the series. In any case, Diesel's too damn short to be an ancient-world general.
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Originally Posted by NeonGod
Too... short? You do know they were all a lot shorter than us... right? And the generals weren't all tall aryan types...
Agreed. Vin Diesel is a horrible choice, but it has nothing to do with his height. It has everything to do with the fact he's Vin Diesel...
Did you watch them ? (the 2 Italian versions)Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
Vin Diesel equals Cannae for the Romans.
But really, the guy's really short. It's pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Come on, Vin Diesel is Vin Diesel. As long as that's a proven fact, everything involving Vin Diesel will be totally crappy.
I can already see Hannibal shooting at some innocent Romans with a shotgun, kicking their butt with a 25th century sword and yelling 'outta my way, mother fu***'!'
Hey , give him a chance...he can talk (saw it) , he can walk (saw it) , he can run (saw it) , he can drive (a horse??) and he can cross (the Alps??) .
Now , he and Hannibal have some thing in common - they both know how to win battles... ~:cool:
I don't think they'd go that far ~;)
but I think the Cartagenians would probably have 100's of elephants and the romans might be Imperial legionnairs or something. And it wouldn't suprise me if there's flying an aeroplane trough the sky again.~:) (Troy anyone?)
Let us continue this , Holywoodian style - Hannibal before Canae - "I have got to kill all these Romans , I promised it to my father..." Varro - "Send the Imperial Legions and the Praetorian Caesarian Cohorts and smash these Lebanese Barbarians that came to our land from Germania" The Roman soldiers - "Heil Caesar !!!"
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No but I did find a trailer for the 1960 version, but I don't have time to post it now I got to go to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by caesar44
Do you guys mean this Vin Diesel?
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Originally Posted by random fact
These are hilarious.
I wish Lee Marvin was still alive- give him a hair dye, an eye patch, and a beard, and he would make the perfect Hannibal.
They should get Jackie Mason to do it, actually.
It's going to be like Passion of the Christ with authentic Languages such as Latin, Aramaic and some kind of Celtic diologue. Oh and os course Greek!
You are the first guy I know to call 'Saving Private Ryan' crap...Quote:
Originally Posted by Meneldil
Sure it isn't perfect after the beaches (can you say Rambo-style?), but honestly it is better than just good.
Give the man a chance. He has charisma, he has the looks (if he unbuffs a bit) and he can actually act, though we don't see much of it mostly.
I think any real problems will come from the fact that he want to direct it, and that it will possibly include lots of bad combinations of troops and equipment.
But personally I won't comment on the movie until I see some shots from it. After I see them, I will shoot it down with the rear turret of Yamato! But until then I think people should just be happy that someone might do the movie... As long as it is going to be made then there is a chance it will be good. Hopefully it will be.
Hannibal-Vin after Cannae - "let us continue to Rome and kill the Pope !"
Please don't do this , please wait for a director...poor Hannibal... :help:
Well, in Saving Private Ryan, private Caparzo dies after what, maybe 30 or 40 minutes ?, and he barely says one thing during the whole movie. It's not as if he was an important character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraxis
Now, of course, I won't comment aswell, because the movie might be quite good, but I just don't like Vin Diesel.
He doesn't say much, that is right, but he is convincing, and he most certainly isn't the usual brute he has been casted for later. It is an indicator that the man can act and not just go around and fight people.
It is a bit like people who don't like Leonardo Di Caprio, but one should ask oneself, did he ever act badly? Or was it the movie itself? He too has suffered from a sort of typecasting.
Playing Hannibal will be a good test of Vin Diesel's acting or rather the way he wants to develop his career. At the moment, he seems to have created a certain persona and played off this in most of his movies. Perhaps like a Schwarzenegger or a Stallone, you pretty much know what you'll get when he's cast. Like Kraxis, I suspect he has the acting talent to play a more nuanced Hannibal, the question is whether he will choose to do so. If he makes the role just another Vin Diesel hardass, I'll be disappointed but I'll wait for the movies before judging.
Still, we would have been on safer ground with Denzil Washington, other actor I heard discussed for the role of Hannibal. He has similar charisma to Vin Diesel but a more proven dramatic range.
Hannibal-Vin meeting with Scipio Africanus Major before Zama - "Lord Pompey , surrender or die !" , Africanus - "Dear Hannibal , I am the roman Emperor , I do not surrender !" , Hannibal-Vin - "Pompey , you are not an Emperor but an Archon !"
Vin Diesel has shown he can pretty much carry a film before, as in Pitch Black; he really stole the show there. The question is if he can show the same amount of charisma in a more epic film.
As an aside, wasn't it one of the older Hannibal films which had real elephants killed?
Yes, and I'm fairly certain it was the 1937 version.
oh i saw i bit of that one it was awsome, not only the bit with the elephant but also they hd live charges with cavalry, i would swear i saw a guy get thrown from his mount.
i have nothing against vin deisle but i really don't want to see another gung-ho semi historic film thats 98% there social lives and affairs plus 2% killing. no i want to see non stop 50 minute sequences of people getting slaughtered. mabey 3 minutes of emotional dialouge THEN MORE KILLING :duel: ~D
You should check Mister Musclehead out in Boiler Room before you condemn him to an eternity of Stallone ripoff vehicles. The guy can act -- it's just a question of whether or not he'll chose to do so.
It's the "directed by" part that has me shaking my head. The last film that was directed and written by an action-film dude was "On Deadly Ground." Enough said.
I can just see Vin Diesel getting seperated from his army and hacking his way through thousands of Romans before finnally they all surrender and he captures the Roman Emperor before marching into Rome with all the people throwing flowers at him and he falls in love with the Emperor's sister before finally dying in the Colosseum fighting the Emperor's evil henchman (who also dies just before Hannibal does). Then one of the elepahnts give birth and an elephant with huge ears files off to join a circus. Why does this seem to ring a bell? :dizzy2:
I guess Vin Diesel will just have to spend the rest of his acting career as the "new face" of Mr Clean.
I think we should really give Vin Diesel a chance. After all, just think about Clint Eastwood- he used to be worse than typecast; he was a one-character guy. But he turned out to be a really good director. After all, he did "Unforgiven" and "Mystic River". He also turned out to be a really good actor. Vin Diesel just needs to start choosing his movies more wisely. Frankly, I think he is already proven as a good actor- the first time I saw Saving Private Ryan out of theatres, I was amazed at how little time he was in the movie. He had a real prescence, and he acted the part very well, not like the macho character he has become.
Denzel would be a bad choice. Good actor, but Hannibal was not black. Yeah yeah, I know it can't replicate history perfectly, but I want to believe like I was there, and a black Hannibal would not do that for me.
"Hannibal" 2006 , scene 1 - Any ideas ?
If there is any justice a recap of the first Punic war and a setting of the historical scene.
Hamilcar telling his son never to bow to the Romans?
Hannibal getting it on with a lady who is somehow stolen by the Romans who he invades to get her back?
There is one coming out staring Denzel last I heard. Any news on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Yes , I think Hamilcar telling to his son Hannibal etc' is the best opening , but , and this is a very very big but , many of us here in the monastery will say "How Polybius or Livius knew what Hamilcar said to his sons in far away Hispania , around 235 bce"...
I imagine that we won't start out early. The setting is more likely to be 'current' (perhaps a peaceful Hannibal walking about in some Hispanic town or something) while the voiceover will tell the story of the 1st Punic War. Then later on we see Hamilcar telling his sons (it is far more likely that all of his sons at the time were brought to the temple) never to bow to Rome.
There were indeed plans for at least two Hannibal movies, but that was quite a few years ago (about the same time as Alexander was being set up). Since we haven't heard anything more about the Denzel version we can expect it to be lost. Just like the Di Caprio 'Alexander' movie.
Di Caprio playing Alexander? :fainting: Thank God they scrapped that one.
Why? *take a look at my earlier post*Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
Di Caprio is a good actor (I liked him in Catch me if you can and The Aviator) but to let him play Alexander (or indeed, any ancient military general) is just wrong. Can't put my finger on why, but I just wouldn't be able to take him seriously as a military man.
I think he'd be better than Colin Farell, especially with Farrel wearing a blonde wig that looks like it's bleached.
I wish they chose a more Hispanic guy, tanned at least.
There will no doubt be a voice over of something like Victoria (RTW Victoria) voiceover,
"When Hannibal was born, his father made him swear to fight Rome"
Okay, I just went to Yahoo I saw this
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf...501904&intl=us
Couple of paragraphs down is "Hannibal swore to fight Rome after they killed his father" Okay, thats not good. At all. Ever.
To early to say anything yet. I wouldn't see it as historical movie at least, more like an action movie which have taken some inspiration from the real world.
[QUOTE=Marshal Murat]Its amazing how much caeser44 can condem so much, but see so little!
Ye , it is really amazing .
Because DiCaprio looks like a girlQuote:
Originally Posted by Kraxis
I must say that is very subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
In all accounts he actually looks remarkably like Alexander. He is rather short, he is blondish and he has a clean face (not in the sense of dirty), the point you call girlish looks.
Besides that he is a skilled actor (whatever you think of the movie he has been in you can't fault his skills), and when he is angry he has a streak of insanity and hurt about him. Perfect for Alexander. Farell doesn't have these characteristics, and the last one was especially a shortcoming. He is in general a rather calmfaced actor, so he had to really overdo himself to play the role of Alexander when he was emotional. That is, sadly, rather visible. Di Caprio wouldn't have had such a problem.
Funny, I always thought he looked like an angry pug. You know, all growls and noises, but you just want to rub his head and say "Who's a good boy?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraxis
Perhaps Alexander the Great would benefit from some angry pug action. Who knows?
Sounds kind of like you are. Either way, I think you're probably right. They need to find a new good actor. For people who have seen Vin Diesel movies, I think it would be just too hard to take it seriously...Quote:
Still I'm not one to bash a movie before I've seen it.
Could be good though. You never know.
Hannibal watching his parents die in a Roman chariot drive-by.Quote:
Originally Posted by caesar44
Cheesy:Quote:
Originally Posted by caesar44
Young-lad Hannibal tames the elephant no one else can ride, then strolls it over to his dad's sand-table model of Rome and Italia and crushes it.
Real:
Hannibal's army and elephants struggling to cross the alps. Hannibals eye glazes a touch....
Flashback to scenes of father teaching sons to fight, displaying skill as battle leader, and teaching them to oppose rome.
Cut back to Hannibal driving his forces onward by sheer charismatic willpower.
--- No use of wires at all, no Crouching Tiger/Hidden Dragon impossibilities.
What I don't know is whether or not Vin can pull off such a role. Sometimes an actor with a big rep for only one type of character can surprise you though: e.g. Bogart in Sierra Madre and Cain Mutiny, Wayne in The Quiet Man, Klein in A Fish Called Wanda. I haven's seen that in Deisel yet, so I'm skeptical, but perhaps its because no script called for it.
Seamus
That's not fair. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was a fairy tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
I say - (a darker) Russell Crowe for Hannibal , I think he will show perfectly the burning hatred (madness ?) of Hannibal towards Rome .
Do you like Vin Diesel? I don't.
Why? All you have to do his listen to his voice. Mon-o-tone. How can you range of emotion without range of voice?
Answer: Squirrel.
I they go with the cheesy one I'll :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
They'll probably do the most annoying scene possible: Hannibal as a kid seeing his parents die, then scream "noooooooo" with echo and slow motion effects, then the next scene will be Hannibal as adult, looking completely different than he did when he was a kid... :wall: :wall:
I think the march through the alps would be the best start though. Hopefully they'll include both Trebia, lake Trasimene, Cannae and Zama, and end the movie with an epilogue showing Rome conquering the seleucids where Hannibal had taken refugee. I don't know if they'll mix in the Aeneas and Dido legend, but it could be cool if made in a sensible way, more of something to increase the tension and atmosphere by mentioning quickly somewhere... Of course, the battle scenes, especially Cannae, would be the key thing in a movie about Hannibal. I don't think it's possible to make Cannae climactic unless you've shown both Trebia and lake Trasimene before, and Zama is a given ending scene (perhaps followed up by an epilogue showing Hannibal's death after taking refugee among the seleucids), but 4 battles is perhaps more than their budget can take. I hope not...
would be a good idea, but very tanned. Vin Diesel.....No, not a great idea. The Rock, maybe as Hasdrubal.Quote:
Originally Posted by caesar44
I vote for a slightly different opening:
Total black. First voice-over is Hannibal saying...
"We were somewhere outside of Cisalpine Gaul, on the edge of the Alps, when the drugs began to take hold."
Fear and Loathing in Rome. ~D
Maybe Hannibal & Scipios alleged conversation in Bithynia (think it was there). Could be interesting.
You do know that Vin Diesel is of Libanese stock (which has recently been proven to still be the closest relatives of the Phoenicians). If he just tans up in the sun and unbuffs a bit he is perfect, physically, for the role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helgi
But Hannibal was no black , he was Semitic .
Yes... And what do you think the Libanese are??? Or the Phoenicians for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by caesar44
The Phoenicians was the parent civilization of the Carthies.
As long as the script doesn't force Vin Diesel to act unnaturally he should do fine; Russell Crowe isn't the strongest actor ever, but he's great in his best films (LA Confidential and Gladiator) because he's given short lines, it's what he does best. And Vin does look the part, and in my opinion his voice is excellent: it's deep, but manages to convey different sentiments well.
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Originally Posted by Kraxis
I said he was no black ! Who said the Lebanese or the Phoenicians are not Semitics ???
You came in with your post right after my post about how Vin looks right. How am I to know that you didn't mean it towards me since it was rather redundant to post it aftr my post.