this is the statement of Caesar010 and i would like to invite him to post his here so whe can debate on it and stop cluthering the Victim /of Crime thread :bow:
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this is the statement of Caesar010 and i would like to invite him to post his here so whe can debate on it and stop cluthering the Victim /of Crime thread :bow:
OK (for now). Just be careful it doesn't turn into a flame-fest. You know how I get when that happens.
no, i dont actually...i've never been warned in the backroom...i got warned only for spam.
The all scum should be shot, is not only the view of caesar010, but it is shared by, among others, Plato.
I, for one, do not agree with it - it's the easy way out, and isnt a way out actually.
It dosent solve much people would be terrifird more power to the govrement I say wrost idea ever
That's why it's better. Why degrade a person to the role of an animal in a cage? No person deserves that really. Not unless they have imprisoned others in their homes I would guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjakihata
Theold eye for an eye works perfectly. The ancients were on to something when they developed that law.
Yes scum should be shot, it scares others who may commit crimes and it saves time and money.
mhuaauhahahahahahahahahahhha death penalty is more pricy then life in prison...you know that dont you...and should all scum be shot or do you got certain excetions
this question is to everyone...would you stick with this oppininion if it was your life at stakeQuote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
The death penalty should be for murder and treason only anything besides that should be jail time and strangers right none of us here would have the balls to have a needle stuck in us or someone we love of a parking violation or a loaf of bread
i would stick to my oppinion to the end if its worth it...but i wont be so stubborn that i cant be convinced. and i think you are only allowed to have such an oppinion when youre so coldblooded and hard as Brutus
Then follows the next question, logically. Define 'scum'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
I dont see a problem if these goups get the death penalty. And as some have pointed out to me some of these are minor.....So the more I thought of it I came up with a new solution!
rapist. die on 1st offense
murderers. die on 1st offense
burglars. 10 years in jail no parole.....you do it again you die
car jackers. same as burglary
assault. depends on what happened
Mugging. same as burglary
It is mean I know.....but criminals don't care about us.... why should I care if they die?
Rapists, murderers, paedophiles, people who mug old ladies for their pensions, burlgars, drug dealers........
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Originally Posted by strike for the south
Well we could use lynch mobs. As long as they got the right guy I dont care what they do to him! A rope is cheap and can be used over and over ~;)
Oh add pedophiles and drug dealers to the list (thanks I forgot about them)
I find the use of the word scum objectionable. Is it a curse? How about prick? Is there a major difference between the two? ~D
untill its your son...i think killing someone is wrong...i mean how many people do you think will be in those lynchmobs cuz when they lynch someone they're next...smart...you just lower yourself to their level...if civilisation braught us to this kind of solutions...help
stranger
If I had a son I would darn well sure he would be to afraid of me to steal a pack of bubble gum!
Was that a reply to my definition of scum?Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
if so, this is clearly not a definition, but merely phenomena of scum.
I take the old Hebrew version of eye for an eye. If you cause someone to go blind, you are not made blind yourself, you must serve as that person's eyes. You will read for them, walk with them, ect. If you cipple someone you're going to be pushing a wheelchair. That is justice
I think this is riduculous and sick. not every robbery is the same hell not every murder is the same. If some tries to kill you and while you try to defend yourself you killed him...ohw hot damn now your a murderer. Now lets kill you!
And most people don't steel because they just feel like it some "have to",... What'll you do when a cousin of yours steals a bubble gum, lock him up for 10 years.
please get real.
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Originally Posted by ceasar010
and that will be the result of your policy...it will frighten people to death...is that what you want...that your son is so afraid of you that he wont look you in the eyes...thaT HE DOESNT WANT TO BE WITH YOU. hast hystory learned you that terrorgoverments dont work. with that kinda laws your goverment wouldnt last for 50 years. threatening people is not the way to rule people...its the way to destroy yourself
Lynch mobs what a great idea they have worked so well in the past :book: Ceaser you have to be joking the day I see a lynch mob down my street is the day America diesQuote:
Originally Posted by ceasar010
Self defense is not classified as murder in the USA.
And my cousin who stole the gum knew it was wrong.....so he deserves it!
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I think people would like to be able to walk down town at night knowing there isn't a rapist behind them!
I think any one who is not a bleeding heart liberal would not mind.
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Originally Posted by strike for the south
If its your family member that got raped....i think I would see you in the lynch mob ~;)
How in the hell is a lynch mob self defense my family member got raped and I knew who the guy was Id probaly kill him but Id get jail time and deservedly so
It is revenge....And my version of justice is revenge.
Come on....where is capo, I think he will back me up.
sorry to burst your bubble but the wrold isnt in black and white and you cant paint everyone with one brushQuote:
Originally Posted by ceasar010
Ok once you get beat half to death by some criminal......I will give him flowers, tell him it's societies fault and give him a tv while he is in jail for 6 months.....thats how our justice system seems now :dizzy2:
well my AOE 3 demo just got done downloading....I will post back soon
Revenge is justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceasar010
If I get half beaten to death the guy will get more than 6 months I can assure you and it is his fault but calling for a tyrannical goverment and lynch mobs is idiocy
And since when has sfts been advocating that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ceasar010
There is a reason why it makes sense to view punishment as a contiuoum with capital punishment at one end and something similar to what you said above at the other. Just because sfts (or any other) advocates somethign different to you, it does not mean they support the opposite extreme. And quite frankly if your looking for extremists like capo to back you up your really struggling. Nothing against capo, just he's an extremist - its logical that he will support it. When you can convince a moderate come back and tell me that it's a reasonable idea.
people dont like to see their brother killed cuz he stole a car...
children dont like to see their dad killed cuz he stole bread for dinner...
people will be terrified and will try to destroy the goverment that uses this policy
i quote again
and that will be the result of your policy...it will frighten people to death...is that what you want...that your son is so afraid of you that he wont look you in the eyes...thaT HE DOESNT WANT TO BE WITH YOU. hast hystory learned you that terrorgoverments dont work. with that kinda laws your goverment wouldnt last for 50 years. threatening people is not the way to rule people...its the way to destroy yourself
There are two problems. Sjakihata mentioned one, the second is also mentioned, but to put it clear:
how do we know for sure that someone meets the definition and that he's not falsely accused and proved guilty?
yup...how bout that...if yall want them to get a punishment you give m isolation room for life so they can think about what they done wrong...but no man has the right to end one's life. death is the easy way out but also the unjustified one.
Scum are people who have shown through their actions that they are the lowest of the low, they are not human, they have not an ounce of kindenss or decency, they are evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjakihata
Is it so? What kind of revenge, exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
In fact, I don't want to bring religion in here, but only as an example (and do recognize I am a non-believer), but isn't the New Testament denies the righteousness of revenge?
Buddhism, it seems, have similar philosophies, as well.
so the brother of the guy who's been killed because he used drugs can kill the judge, the lawyer, you (since the law was your idea anyway),...?Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
What has now happened that lynch mobs should be started?Its easy to start a lynching mob when people are angry but when bloodthirsty people get the taste of blood it will end in a carnage one way or another.
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Originally Posted by The Stranger
NO ONE is stupid enough to steal if they know they will be killed....the point of my idea is that you probably would rarely have yo use it because there will be very few crimes!
WTH my son would not be a thug so he would not have to be afraid.
This will put fear into the criminals, normal law abiding people would be able to walk downtown at night. Average joe wouldd not have to worry about criminals....criminals would be afraid to break the law.
Please do me a favour...reflect on what the yhave done wrong? What do you think they are, children who don't know what they are doing? You do that with a young kid who nicked five pounds fromy our wallet to teach them not to do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Somebody who has done wrong should pay heavily for what they have done. That is revenge. Revenge for someone punished is mistaken revenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
As hard as it is to do, I don't believe any true follower of Christ can advocate for the death penalty. Even in extreme cases, like John Wayne Gasey. Christ tells us we are all flawed in God's eyes, and just as He has forgiven us, so too we MUST find a way to forgive others. Life imprisonment is one thing, because it's also a safety mechanism. I was a strong advocate of the death penalty for pretty much all my life. But go and read Matthew 18 and tell me if you still believe Christ would support the death penalty. I understand all the arguments in favor of capital punishment better than most. But I cannot reconcile the death penalty with the life Christ calls me to lead. Sorry.
but every body has a different view of what is called revenge so how are you going to difine it and what if someone murdered someone out of revenge for example a wife kills her man because he cheated it this ok then? should she be murdered to or was it plainly revenge...?
I understand that Don but at the same time a man who has raped and murder a 6 year dosent deserve to draw another breath and if that makes me a sinner or wrong in gods eyes then I shall repent but I cant have that man wegihing on my concinseQuote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
but what if he wasn't the guy who did?
if no one is so stupid WHY ISNT DEATHROW empty then. ofcourse he'll steal its or steal and try not to get caught or die. easy choise aint it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceasar010
...thats not what you said...you said you would scare him so much that he wouldnt become a thug...i say that wouldnt work...he'll hate you for it...the same thing the people will do if you'll release this policy. and when the people think the goverment isnt working good (or sumthing like it) they got the right to overtrow the goverment.
We would neeed to be absoultely positive before we did itQuote:
Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
how can you be absolutly sure about antyhing.
what makes you thin k the year old can learn and change and the 25 year old cant ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
As best we canQuote:
Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
ohw no he's going to change that law isn't he? he'll say if the government is doing the right things in Strike of the Souths way of view everybody who tries to rebel must be killed. But if SotS thinks they're not well then lets kill that government.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
strike for south...As best we can isnt enough when you talk about lifes.
Thats why our countries shouldnt use the death sentence.When its peacetime we have the time to if found guilty put serious criminals to prison and released if later found innocent.Altough i dont support death sentence in peacetime,i think prisons shoud be more like labour camps rather then Hotels. :whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
What about someone who picks him out of a lineup or there are witnesses thats pretty sure in my book
Gert keep it civil...i dont want this thread closed...and SotS what caused the sudden turn of view...in the first page you stated worst idea ever...
amen to that bro'!Quote:
Originally Posted by kagemusha
I was talking about murders and treasonists if a war ever does break out here with the majority of the populace behind pepole will get the death penalty but it dosent mean you should back down if its something you beliveQuote:
Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
can't I even use sarcsm anymore?
oh well at least we can still kill people...ok I'll stop now (I just had to say this)
he can be manupilted, bribed or perhaps the murderer himself...
I was talking about ceaser view of punshment as a whole not just the death penalty and gret that was sarcasm ~:confused: It went over my head sorry ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
just a question but wich states (within the USA and other nations) have dead penalties?
is that what you see in a man who stole a wallet or a bread to feed his familyQuote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
And what about doctors who lose a patient?
they get sued you sometimes you know! there aren't gonna be a lot of doctors left if you do something like that.
The point is as a society,we dont have to execute him or her.I would prefer a lifetime of forced labour.If he or she doesnt want live a life like that that, human has always the option to end it himself.Then its that humans own choise.Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
Suicide is illegal in many countries.
Here is some info the death penalty was abolished here in 72 (I think) but in 76 A man named Gary Gilmore asked for it in Utah and that eventually turned the tide and the sumpreme court reinstated it in 77 here are the statesQuote:
Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
The # on the left is men excuted the # on the right are on death row
Executions since 1976, by jurisdiction
Jurisdiction Executions
since 1976
Texas 344 446
Virginia 94 23
Oklahoma 77 97
Missouri 64 57
Florida 60 382
Georgia 38 113
North Carolina 36 198
South Carolina 33 74
Alabama 32 195
Louisiana 27 94
Arkansas 26 38
Arizona 22 131
Ohio 16 202
Delaware 13 19
Indiana 13 35
Illinois 12 9
Nevada 11 86
California 11 639
Mississippi 6 70
Utah 6 10
Maryland 4 9
Washington 4 11
Pennsylvania 3 231
U.S. Federal Gov't. 3 35
Nebraska 3 8
Montana 3 3
Kentucky 2 36
Oregon 2 32
Tennessee 1 106
Idaho 1 20
Connecticut 1 7
Colorado 1 3
New Mexico 1 2
Wyoming 1 2
New Jersey 0 15
Kansas
(On December 17 2004, the death penalty statute of Kansas was declared unconstitutional) 0 7
U.S. Military 0 7
New York
(On June 24 2004, the death penalty statute of New York was declared unconstitutional) 0 2
South Dakota 0 4
New Hampshire 0 0
United States
total 969 3,449*
no current death penalty statute: Alaska, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin, District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico.
Yes it is.But wery hard to stop. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjakihata
Just punish suicide with the dead penalty; that should make them think!Quote:
Originally Posted by kagemusha
But i dont support death penalty.Me thinks 200 years in prison would be proper punishment ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TosaInu
ahahahhahahaha that reply is worth a sig...hshhhahahahhaaha
I know it's silly that suicide is illegal. I mean, who the **** thinks he can decide if I can take my own life or not?!?
Where is Pindar when we need him?Im sure he would explain this to us ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sjakihata
i think sjak as a point...only yourself must judge about your life but bout your life only unless youre a judge etc
yes, it would be interresting where the though developed. legal/juridical history. im sure Pindar would know.Quote:
Originally Posted by kagemusha
Did anyone call pcikpocketers or shoplifters scum? And please stop with the pathetic "he only did it to feed his family". We're talking about the Western world here, there are soup kitchens.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Oh yeah ? Then dare to explain me why there are still pedophilia, murders and things like that in countries with death penalty ? Look like it doesn't work that well ?Quote:
NO ONE is stupid enough to steal if they know they will be killed....
China is actually the country with the more death penalties applied, yet there are more and more crimes there. Why is that ?
Then, if you're waiting for people like PJ and Kapo to support you, I guess your point of view is clearly doomed and pointless. It would be like asking Mao and Stalin to support my views about capitalism.
But why allow padeophiles the pleasure of living?
when talking about xtreme topics you must come with xtreme arguments...and i guess you want to see this in the entire world so...and what is the difference from stealing 20 gucci purses in the shop and stealing a car. you Caesar called carjackers scum...Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
when whe're the western world...oh sooooo civilised and whe see murder as uncivilised....THEN WHY ANSWER MURDER WITH MURDER...WHY LOWER YOURSELF TO THEIR LEVEL...THATS STUPID...some of you clearly never saw poverty and think that just by scaring the bejezus outa everyone they'll stop fighting for their existance
cuz nobody has the right to kill a human being...and everyone has the right to live. and if you believe that it goes for everyone no matter what he has done.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
Crjackers are those who kump into an unsuspecting victims car and force them, often by gunpoint, to go where carjackers wants them to go.. Sometimes he would shoot the person and take the car.
The killing of murderer is not murder. Murder is when an innocent victim is killed. Yes, nobody has the right to kill a human being. But scum are not humans. Their deeds have stripped them of any claim to be human.