Cheney now wants to be President

Saw that three times now, in USNews, Times, NYer, and Newsweek - er. make that four times. Plus, heard it on FoxabusetheNews. Is it possible? I mean really, is the GOP so out of touch - is he - that they believe they can put the anti-Christ up for president and with their anti-liberal-democrat advertising they can elect Cheney? Cheney even believes it - he has yet to deny (recently) that he won't run (he should run - to Switzerlamd before his corruption trials begin).

Personally, I think its a diversion. The GOP has no candidate they like - McCain could be a shoo in (but, he is his own man - the bastard), but he won't deny peoples rights (the commy f'), or admit that women should never have been given the right to vote. Dumb 'nam vet - spent to much time in a cage with those rats, snakes and spiders (known as food to him; at that time).

Yeah, I like the choice of Cheney. Actually, I love it! It means Al Gore could be elected .... ooops, actually he was - thank god for the supreme court. Well, it does mean the GOP loses.

Ergo, I surmise that Cheney will die before the end of this presidency - heartattack (you know). And, that whom so ever becomes the new VP will be the next candidate.

Jeb is out. To much baggage he could never conceal in a national election, that he has in a states. Winning the Governorship of Florida? No big deal, when one considers that Floridas' corruption (today) makes Louisianas look like it was perpetrated by Texans - oh, wait a minute ... same thing.

Cheney for PRESIDENT! You go girl!
~D

I like cheney....He is a progunner......And remember for all you libies out there he might try to legalize gay marriage.

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I like cheney....He is a progunner......And remember for all you libies out there he might try to legalize gay marriage.

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Erm, yes...guns and gays are the only important things on this world.... :dizzy2: :help:

I think cheney is better then bush. And bush is not that bad....so GO cheney!!!!!

Cheney is corrupt.

If he get's the nomination he will most certainly lose to hilary. Can you imagine, those two are like complete opposites of eachother. ~:)

If it's between those two, I'm moving to Austrailia.

Wow, a Hillary/Cheney match-up. That might be enough to make 90% of the voters stay home. It will be the very first Presidential election in which only PETA and the Christian Coalition participate.

This is political posturing. They threaten with Cheney, who appears extremely far-right and has a public image problem. Then they put up a few real candidates who appear "moderate" in comparison.

Good stuff.

I vote for powell. That guy rocks. I think he would be the first black president. He needs to run with someone else as the veep. When it was his turn, it would be uncontestable. That would be a 24 year run of GOP presidency.

How about condi in 08?

As much as I like Condi, I don't think she has a chance yet.

Soon. But not yet.

he did what???? THE DICK ~D...eh why is gay marraige illegal???

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he did what???? THE DICK ~D...eh why is gay marraige illegal???

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A great question. One that deserves its own thread.

wel go and make one

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Cheney is corrupt.

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But the good kind of corrupt GO DICKMISTER ( Becuase it will be a cold day in hell when Clinton #2 gets elected)

Probably posturing. On the Rep side, there will be nothing more than a few tentative trial balloons sent up until after the results of the Nov '06 elections are known -- have to know the landscape before you plan the assault.

This will NOT stop the media from speculating or printing any and all rumors -- after all they have a lot of column/blog inches to fill and politics is actually pretty quiet right now with Brownie ousted and people focusing on Rita. It'll take a day or three for the blame game to get rolling again in earnest. The next big fireworks display will be for the new SCOTUS nomination.



Could Cheny win?

Yes, but he has a few obstacles. Too many heart attacks (the US electorate likes the President to be more or less healthy). A pretty high "negatives" score (the Haliburton stuff does bother some of the moderates as well as the dedicated opposition groups). His "appeal" is too cerebral for some (too soft-spoken, not particularly photogenic, average public speaker -- though at least he mangles English less than the boss ~D ). Is he actively corrupt? I think not, but he is tarred with the "out of govt. straight into cushy govt. consulting job" brush -- lots of US voters of all stripes hate that stuff even if it isn't illegal, because it appears to be unethical on a bunch of levels.

Cheney's biggest advantage: so far, the Democrat Party shows little or no sign of being coordinated on anything but a "we hate those nasty fascists" level. They have yet to articulate a positive message/program for doing better than the Republicans, do have the rep for being weak on defense (though this may be unfair, the label has stuck) and the "The U.S. is always wrong and a bunch of evil imperialists" tone of many of the hardcore democrat supporter groups does NOT appeal to the moderate 40% in the middle.

Had the Democrats been able to articulate what appeared to be an effective program for improving things that "sold" with the American political middle, they could have won either of the last two elections.

The "weak on defense" label was not shrugged off by Kerry despite valiant personal military service and that may well have been the edge in Ohio and a few other swing states in 2004.

In 2000, the Democrats should have won, but Ralph Nader managed to siphon off critical left-wing votes that should have gone against the Reps and for the Dems. The Supreme Court did not elect George Bush, it was the thousands of Floridian lefties who went to the polls and voted for Nader in a state they KNEW was pivotal -- and which George Dubya carried by fewer than 800 votes. How a "green" voter could knowingly pull the lever for Nader when they knew the risk would be Dubya besting Gore is beyond me. The only time I ever voted for a 3rd party type was in an election where I was annoyed at the Republican in question but in a state that I knew he would carry anyway -- why would you risk a bad result in a close race? ~:confused:

And, to those of you who persist in the "supreme court election" fantasy:

to argue that the Supreme Courts decision at the time was incorrect is to argue for delaying election results in order to allow a PARTIAL recount of selected counties picked by a partisan plaintiff in order to advantage their candidate. Which, by the way, subsequent recounts later showed would not have changed the results. Or is the "dig" simply too juicy to resist despite its innacuracy? Oh well.....

Bottom line: Cheney might, but it'd be a bit of an uphill fight.

The American presidential options are only slightly better than the EU ones.

We get absolutely no choice (go democracy!), whilst you get to choose between Cheney and Clinton. At least we can blame our politicians...

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And, to those of you who persist in the "supreme court election" fantasy:

to argue that the Supreme Courts decision at the time was incorrect is to argue for delaying election results in order to allow a PARTIAL recount of selected counties picked by a partisan plaintiff in order to advantage their candidate. Which, by the way, subsequent recounts later showed would not have changed the results. Or is the "dig" simply too juicy to resist despite its innacuracy? Oh well.....

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They can not let reality creep into their idea why Gore lost the election. Its just got to be someone's fault besides the way the vote got spilt by Nadar.

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Anyone but Cheney. He's the poster-geezer for corruption. I'd rather take another term of Bush than that.

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Condi for prez in 08 ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:

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Saw that three times now, in USNews, Times, NYer, and Newsweek - er. make that four times. Plus, heard it on FoxabusetheNews. Is it possible? I mean really, is the GOP so out of touch - is he - that they believe they can put the anti-Christ up for president and with their anti-liberal-democrat advertising they can elect Cheney? Cheney even believes it - he has yet to deny (recently) that he won't run (he should run - to Switzerlamd before his corruption trials begin).

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Apparently its fine by you to sell missile technology to China to get campaign funds.

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Personally, I think its a diversion. The GOP has no candidate they like - McCain could be a shoo in (but, he is his own man - the bastard), but he won't deny peoples rights (the commy f'), or admit that women should never have been given the right to vote. Dumb 'nam vet - spent to much time in a cage with those rats, snakes and spiders (known as food to him; at that time).

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All the candidates of republicans are their own men. Unlike democrats, they don't have to toe the line of the party.

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Yeah, I like the choice of Cheney. Actually, I love it! It means Al Gore could be elected .... ooops, actually he was - thank god for the supreme court. Well, it does mean the GOP loses.

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Bush had more votes than Gore in Florida. All major papers confirmed this. According to the concept of elections, Bush had more (i.e. a higher sum of) votes than Gore (i.e less people voted for Gore, despite the best efforts of democrat poll workers to count every vote for Gore), and thus won the state.

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Ergo, I surmise that Cheney will die before the end of this presidency - heartattack (you know). And, that whom so ever becomes the new VP will be the next candidate.

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You know what they say about assuming.

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Jeb is out. To much baggage he could never conceal in a national election, that he has in a states. Winning the Governorship of Florida? No big deal, when one considers that Floridas' corruption (today) makes Louisianas look like it was perpetrated by Texans - oh, wait a minute ... same thing.

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Nevermind the possibility he actually won. Consider what laws the legislature is passing; the right to defend yourself anywhere, anytime, from anyone who threatens you without having to retreat. OF course, you wouldn't mind Mayor "I send my PD on trips to Vegas for free while dead bodies float in New Orleans" Nagin

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Cheney for PRESIDENT! You go girl!
~D

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Hmm, I don't know many people who think of Cheney as a girl.

Crazed Rabbit

No way would Dick survive the election. He would drop dead halfway through.

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Apparently its fine by you to sell missile technology to China to get campaign funds.

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Be fair, just because he thinks Cheney to be a crook doesn't mean he views Clinton as honest. I am reasonably certain that we could find a few folks who view all four: Clinton, Gore, Bush, and Cheney as scoundrels without going outside the roster of this .org.

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All the candidates of republicans are their own men. Unlike democrats, they don't have to toe the line of the party.

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Wabbit: There is plenty of party pressure on the GOP side too. We're just fortunate that our group is more internally consistent and has a lower percentage of schizophrenic whack-jobs among the party activists.

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Bush had more votes than Gore in Florida. All major papers confirmed this. According to the concept of elections, Bush had more (i.e. a higher sum of) votes than Gore (i.e less people voted for Gore, despite the best efforts of democrat poll workers to count every vote for Gore), and thus won the state.

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Dealt with this one above. Hate Bush all they want, it's Nader who they should hang in effigy.

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Hmm, I don't know many people who think of Cheney as a girl.

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Perhaps a vote of support for Dick Cheney's daughter's candidacy? ~;)

Seamus

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If it's between those two, I'm moving to Austrailia.

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Can I come too?

Not that I'll vote for any Democratic or Republican canidates anyway.

Call me sexist, but I don't even like women in the military. As much as I like Condi, I don't like the idea of some chick on her back at night and making policy decisions in the morning.

Sorry, but women belong in the kitchen or with kids, not in the oval office, in a combat zone, or in positions of power. I don't believe in Taliban policies, but this is a man's world and women are in it. There is no shame in it and women are not "inferior" or second-class citizens. I just believe in different roles for the sexes. Call me old-fashioned.

And my darling wife mostly agrees with me. I love that girl.

My apologies to Proletariat.


I already know I am going to get flamed by the masses for this one.

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Call me sexist, but I don't even like women in the military. As much as I like Condi, I don't like the idea of some chick on her back at night and making policy decisions in the morning.

Sorry, but women belong in the kitchen or with kids, not in the oval office, in a combat zone, or in positions of power. I don't believe in Taliban policies, but this is a man's world and women are in it. There is no shame in it and women are not "inferior" or second-class citizens. I just believe in different roles for the sexes. Call me old-fashioned.

And my darling wife mostly agrees with me. I love that girl.

My apologies to Proletariat.


I already know I am going to get flamed by the masses for this one.

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I like that...Well most of it :book:

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Call me sexist, but I don't even like women in the military. As much as I like Condi, I don't like the idea of some chick on her back at night and making policy decisions in the morning.

Sorry, but women belong in the kitchen or with kids, not in the oval office, in a combat zone, or in positions of power. I don't believe in Taliban policies, but this is a man's world and women are in it. There is no shame in it and women are not "inferior" or second-class citizens. I just believe in different roles for the sexes. Call me old-fashioned.

And my darling wife mostly agrees with me. I love that girl.

My apologies to Proletariat.

I already know I am going to get flamed by the masses for this one.

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Count me in the disagreement camp, Mr. old-fashioned. I have seen nothing that makes me believe women are any more or less competent then men as leaders. As combat troops, I suspect most lack the upper body strength for some roles. If anyone can cut the mustard physically for the combat role in question, that's fair enough by me.

Name Litvak ring a bell?

Seamus

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I might respect that position if you even had one shred of logic to support it. Why don't you like the idea of women in power? Anything reasonable? Or just bigotry?

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I could say the same thing about you and your fued with religion.

But I won't, at least not here.

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I might respect that position if you even had one shred of logic to support it. Why don't you like the idea of women in power? Anything reasonable? Or just bigotry?

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It is called a vagina. And I am not joking.

As Jack Nicholson's as Good as it Gets character once said on writing women: "I think of a man, and take away reason and accountability".


If you have ever had a mother, or dated, or worked with women, then you would know how totally true this is. Women do not have the stability and presence of mind and emotion.

On the other hand, women are vastly better at roles men would be incompetent at. Like being a mother. Or being hot.

Its only the ugly ones with no estrogen that demand power. These same miserabley depressed humans try to make life terrible for the avergae woman. Since when was being a homemaker looked down upon? Since bra-burning dyke feminists, that's when! Homemakers have a HELL of a job.

You all would do well to encourage and support women who choose to stay home, raise children, and support the family.

Notice when divorce rates started climbing? When women started being "working moms" or careerists.

The role of women is in SUPPORT. And any military man will tell you that without support, the front lines will crumble, wither, and fail. In that way, women are our equals. Just in a different way.

If Cheney is the GOP nominee then the Dems will win in a big way. Cheney is corrupt, but that is not necessarily a show stopper. His health is a big problem, and would be a big drag, but it is not necessarily a show stopper. The show stopper is that few people seem to like Cheney or find him a sympathetic character. You can get around a lot of things, but if the majority of people just don't like you, then you are going to have trouble becoming president. Cheney's "go f*** yourself" comment (a quote), was one of those defining moments in public perception of him. It was funny hearing it thrown back at him during his Katrina tour in Mississippi. Another problem is that being an oil man is going to be a big negative in the near/mid future--the credibility issues are probably insurmountable.

Condi? Doesn't seem viable. She's been a sock puppet for failed Iraq policies. I don't see how she can shake that. The Iraq war has become unpopular with the majority of the U.S. public, so until considerable time has passed, I don't think she would have a chance.

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As for the divorce rates thing? Of course it went up! ...men are no longer able to beat their wives with impunity.

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What? And beating them would help the divorce rate?

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They should? Man. You are sexist!

[To Red Harvest, re Condi]

Racist and Sexist Pig.













I'm kidding. But isn't it grand?

Red:
Cheney's verbal bluntness endeared him to as many as it put off. The other factors you mention: health, moderate charisma (not John Kerry/Al Gore but certainly not Clinton/Reagan), and the negatives some associate with Haliburton et al ( I don't think he is corrupt, but even I have some qualms with the Senate seat to Board room do-si-do, it just feels wrong) probably give him too much of a hurdle to overcome -- depending who the dems send against him.

A agree with you about Condi. She's not an experienced enough politician to turn the SecState role into a positive. For the presidency she'd need to take on a governors role first, or maybe a term as Veep. As it is, she has some pluses, but still conveys too lightweight an image.

Early betting on the Rep side would be McCain, but it is WAY early.

Seamus

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Red:
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I don't think so. I appreciate verbal bluntness, since I tend to be very direct. He wasn't being blunt, he was just being an ass at the wrong moment. He lashed out like a child without provocation. Had he done it in some sort of time appropriate context, it would have indeed been humorous. Instead, he just looked petty and mean. It's the sort of thing that if you or I were on the receiving end we would most likely start laughing at him for losing his cool in such a goofy way.

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The other factors you mention: health, moderate charisma (not John Kerry/Al Gore but certainly not Clinton/Reagan)

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I would put his charisma on a par with Bob Dole's which is about the same as Kerry or Gore's.

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and the negatives some associate with Haliburton et al ( I don't think he is corrupt, but even I have some qualms with the Senate seat to Board room do-si-do, it just feels wrong) probably give him too much of a hurdle to overcome -- depending who the dems send against him.

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The corruption is straightforward, the facts are out there already. Just look at the financial shenanigans he pulled as CEO--straightforward accounting fraud to anyone who has ever worked with firm bid contracts. He should have been charged for it, as it was intentionally used to mislead investors about the financial performance of the company.

The Haliburton links to the administration and no-bid contracts are a bit different. Not so much illegal (overall) but certainly unethical.

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Early betting on the Rep side would be McCain, but it is WAY early.

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McCain doesn't stand a chance on the GOP ticket. He is too moderate for the current GOP. The religious right sunk him in the 2000 primaries. They have more control of the GOP now than they did then as the very unpopular Schiavo actions proved. If McCain runs as a Democrat, he'll get the nomination and win, but I don't see him making that sort of change.

Divinus Arma, what you said in this thread is in no way different from saying that black people should not have the right to vote or that jews are all greedy opportunists.
No doubt you´ll want to give the "that´s just my opinion"-excuse. Ok, you can have discriminative views all you want, I don´t care for that but this is just sexist drivel of the lowest sort:

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Its only the ugly ones with no estrogen that demand power. These same miserabley depressed humans try to make life terrible for the avergae woman.

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I find that highly offensive and I have reported it to the moderators.

Is there any real point to this thread? Kafir was perpetuating a myth, and now it has extended to 2 pages? Why?

Azi

Id vote for Condi over Cheney in the primary, but either would be an excellent President. I think Condi is younger and smarter though..

How many vice presidents in the history of the USA have contested for the Presidential elections and how many have not (barring those who could not contest due to ill health)?

Surely it is the normal thing for VPs to try for the number one position... being number two for 8 years would kind of stink. ~;)

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Is there any real point to this thread? Kafir was perpetuating a myth, and now it has extended to 2 pages? Why?

Azi

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Good point- Cheney isn't going to run. :bow:

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Depending on who she'd be running against, that's one election I wouldn't vote in. I like some of her policy ideas, but I'm not sure how competent she'd be.

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Eh, picking a president is a crap shot anyway, she might be incredibly well suited for the job, you won't know till you elect her...or anyone else for that matter. "Competence" is just a scare tacit moderates use to discredit radicals to the center. ~:cheers:

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How many vice presidents in the history of the USA have contested for the Presidential elections and how many have not (barring those who could not contest due to ill health)?

Surely it is the normal thing for VPs to try for the number one position... being number two for 8 years would kind of stink. ~;)

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Every Veep who didn't resign or take over since Eisenhower has run for the except Nelson Rockefeller. Only Bush 41 was elected, all the rest lost.

Seamus

I remember when Bush chose Cheney as his Veep for the 2000 election. Cheney said then that it would only be for one term, yada, yada, yada. Five years later, and the speculation is on a 2008 run for big Kahuna?

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Saw that three times now, in USNews, Times, NYer, and Newsweek - er. make that four times. Plus, heard it on FoxabusetheNews. Is it possible? I mean really, is the GOP so out of touch - is he - that they believe they can put the anti-Christ up for president and with their anti-liberal-democrat advertising they can elect Cheney?

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I hate to break this to you KC, but the fact that the Republicans have done such a good job selling fear, hate, and "family values" (read: prayer should be back in schools and gays should be ashamed of themselves) combined with the lack of any real direction in the Democrat Party, means that the GOP could pretty much nominate the ticket of Cato Kalen and Kermit the Frog and still win the next election, unless something changes drastically in the meantime.