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Yeey!!! ~:cheers:
Gah!Bah! Our National team has not ever got even in the bloody world cup. Maybe the winter here is not the best football practice season here.~:mecry:
Germany '06 without a Turkish national team would lack a lot of enjoyment, that's why the Swiss will lose on Wednesday ~D
Beirut, you seem to have forgotten to post a Johan Cruijff pic.~;)
Now on topic..
The Dutch lost against Italy yesterday. 3 - 1.
Our first loss in 16 matches, 3 personnal errors and the game was lost~:mecry:
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Looks like brazil were taking it easy last night, only the eight and seven of them came in the second half. May god help us all:hide:
They're not that tough. What are they actually good at besides running, shooting, dribbling, passing, ...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Blind King of Bohemia
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...shooting, scoring, winning... :charge:
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since this is the main thread, concerning the WC, I thought it best to ask the question here, in this thread ,
Which country is going to win the WC ?
Who will survive the group fase, the quarter finals , semi finals , and everything in between.
what do you guys think.
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Brazil is going to take the throphy home!:brazil:
I made 3 accurate predictions in a row for '96, '98 and '00 torunaments.
A good prediction is based on situation, so I'd rather wait for the groups to be drawn, then make qualifications on my own regarding the draw system for later stages.
But now that's a general rule : Good teams are those defend well and make good passing.
Germany might go far in this world cup but my favourites are Croatia (my national team) and then England, Czech and Netherlands.
I've just started watching the game between Czech and Norway. Has anyone seen how the grass looks like? Half of it is missing!!
come on england!!!! i think england will be knocked out the semis/quaters like they do each world cup... but having said that we have a younger and experianced squad to some of the other 'good' teams who are getting older so... good luck ~:cheers:
Semis/quaters is also a good score.Quote:
Originally Posted by GiantMonkeyMan
Shit happens....Quote:
Originally Posted by miho
Pity that we lost. One step farther away from the WC trophy.
Don't think Norway have much of a chance against the Czechs.
Too bad they were paired, now only one can go through, and I don't seen the Czechs losing..
PS : could all the soccer threads be merged to this one , now we have about 3 different threads, each one discussing a different WC (Playoff ) match.
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I'm not getting very much news of the sport on television right now, so you lot might have to post some scores for me on occasion. ~;)
What are the odds the World Cup will be about football for once?
Though admittedly it's often more interesting than the European tournament.
No chance of that, the US has already qualified! ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
Could I ask for a firms request to ban all the judges from the previous WC, they were clearly on the side of Brasil....
Now seriuosly I'll really like to see for the first time just one game of Argentina vs. Brasil in the cup, better in the final match.
I agree with LeftEyeNine, Turkey has improved a lot, the team showed it in the match vs. Brasil, where Brasil won with a little help, keep it up!!~:cheers:
Ah yes, you refer to the match between the U-19 teams.. That was a memorable match, truly memorable..Quote:
I agree with LeftEyeNine, Turkey has improved a lot, the team showed it in the match vs. Brasil, where Brasil won with a little help, keep it up!!
Nuri was promoted to seniors after that match and against Germany friendly, he scored. You should have seen how the whole team and coaches were all over him congratulating for the goal..
We definitely missed such a magical pair of feet at the hands of Switzerland. I still don't get why Terim did not give him a chance where he was absolutely needed. No Emre, no Hamit, no Yildiray..
Well, keep following the thread about Switzerland vs. Turkey. I'll be posting what's going on here until the match.. ~:)
Soulforged, let me tell you that Leo Messi has already been one of my favorites. Every 2 or 3 years a new Argentinian player is dubbed as the new Maradona but this kid is the only one that Maradona told watching him was very enjoyable.
I love Argentinian football a lot, just remembered how we failed on Ortega (I'm a Fenerbahce fan). However, Brazil is my all-time favorite. These guys dance on the ball, one of the reasons I love football is that it is the most aesthetic sports of all. And Brazilian feet definitely prove that..
Netherlands come as my 2nd favorites and France (because of my Djibril Cissé adoration ~D) may come the 3rd. (not a World Cup '06 prediction, by the way. Only my personal preferences)
But Argentina has always its place, mate.. ~:cheers:
P.S. Greece had truly deserved their trophy on Euro '04. I was a fan of their wall-like defense and accurate counter attacks tactic. Pity that they could not keep up with that style.
Gah!! We're not going. Oh well, so long as you-know-who doesn't win I'll be happy enough.
Ah yes, it must be great being Scottish when England qualify for the world cup, so many teams to support, Cameroon, Nigeria, Portugal, Sweden...~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
England will lose in the semi finals, to Germany, on penalties. David Beckham will take the first penalty and will somehow manage to hoof the ball into a low earth orbit.
That's most likely gonna happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
Come on! What they did on the Euro '04 was the worst massacre of football I've ever seen. Czech republic and Portugal should have been in the finals. But they did play their tactic well and deserved the victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Czechs were my favorites as well, I absolutely agree on them..Quote:
Come on! What they did on the Euro '04 was the worst massacre of football I've ever seen. Czech republic and Portugal should have been in the finals. But they did play their tactic well and deserved the victory.
However I'm not talking about football murder here. I'm a tactics stuff addict, and Greece absolutely prepared a cup-long tutorial named : " For Dummies : How to be a Tournament Team "
Something that modern Netherlands - unfortunately - has to work hard on. Their last generation lacked team work so hard that whole team was rebellious against each other and their coaches. However, the new generation is young and therefore enthusiastic. Not predicting anything before the group drawings but if they can lean on the ones like Cocu, Van Der Sar and Van Bommel, these brilliant young guns may hit the bullseye..
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Ahh, memories! ~:) In Mexico '86 we had a bet with the grocer: I for Brazil or Argentina and he Italy or England. I had a free coke in the end. ~D
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Can't imagine that; I mean, it's not as if there's a precedent...~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
Anyone in charge of the Dutch team needs to be more adventurous when it comes to selecting players. This has been happening more often lately, thankfully, but it takes guts to place far more emphasis on new players than on the recognized overpaid stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Yeah, well, after the Portugese beat us then I I too wanted them to win;)Quote:
Czechs were my favorites as well, I absolutely agree on them..
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And I really hated the fact that Greece won the tournament....they did not deserve it, what ever you might say - they didn't.
I sure hope they do LEN ~D , though I'd put Van der Vaart up in the list of names too.Quote:
Something that modern Netherlands - unfortunately - has to work hard on. Their last generation lacked team work so hard that whole team was rebellious against each other and their coaches. However, the new generation is young and therefore enthusiastic. Not predicting anything before the group drawings but if they can lean on the ones like Cocu, Van Der Sar andVan Bommel, these brilliant young guns may hit the bullseye..
He is just what the team needs , a leader, once the above mentioned retire, he'll be one of the most important players.
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You wait and see until tomorrow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
When I think of it, we actually beated Brazil 2-1 in the WC in '98. ~:eek:
Congrats to you Aussies....really wanted to see you do it and it was nailbiting watching reports of the pens as they were taken on SkySportsNews. It'll be great to see you at the World Cup.
im so [expletive]ing happy right now, i gettin piss drunk and laughing and cheering all night!!! Aussies are goin to Germany!!!!!!!!! THE 32 YEAR CURSE HAS BEEN BROKEN!!!
HUZZAH!!!!
AUSTRALIA
Congrats Australia!! ~:cheers:
Quite a surprise - and definitely a pleasant one ~:)
Looking forward to seeing lots of Aussies visiting us here in Germany next year ~:cool:
Wow Hiddink managed to do it with them too ?
that is good news.
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oh bugger my head feeels ;like its 150 kgs and my extremities are bumb, but i feel GOOOOD AUSTRALIA IS In THE WC!!!!!!11
Place your bets lads....Bahrain or Trinidad and Tobago? I think I'd like to see the Soca Boys make it, but it should be a laugh either way.
I'm betting on T&T, would be great if they'd manage to make it !
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Trinidad & Tobago has a player named Marvin Andrews. I know that he is a solid defender, however I could never watch him. I'd like to see him playing..
I wonder if Collin Samuel is capped for T&T national team as well..
Well, that's two down. Congratulations T&T! The final 3 will be determined tonight, although you can pretty much put Spain in there.
T&T is through too ?
I managed to miss both matches...to make matter worse , I've heard the Aussies made quite a show.
So how did T&T play, and does anyone know if South-Korea is qualified for the WC
That would make the total Dutch coaches in the WC 4 ( Holland,T&T,Australia,S-Korea )
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South Korea got through. Trinidad played ok, but I think it was more that Bahrain were awful - I don't see T&T posing much of a challenge at next year's tournament I'm sorry to say.
Really, no one expect them to get far, no one expects them to even win a single match ~;)
It's just that they are there that counts.
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Australians in Germany ... two beer drinking cultures and a side event of football. ~D
Aussie: Do you have any Australian in ya?
German Women: No.
Aussie: Do you want some?
And that is the epitomy of Aussie pick up lines. ~:joker:
The Turks are out - valiant effort though.
Swiss players attacked assistanct coach Mehmet Ozdilek and when Alpay tried to interfere the assault he was assaulted too. That's what I just saw on TV..
These Swiss players are pity kids that pretend to be playing football..
Fatih Terim just called the referee of both matched being "corrupted".
A world cup is always enjoyable. But I don't think Switzerland will prove anything on such childish stuff. They don't deserve a single point or even a pinch of reputation after all of that. Our "Democracy tutors" are falling one by one, quite interesting ~D
Congratulations to all going to World Cup.. You know who I imply an exclusion for..
Well I'd love to have seen the game, but Eurosport showed Slovakia-Spain instead - I mean what's the point?!? I thought the Turks would win to be honest.
We beat them to hell.. But it all started with an imaginary penalty given to Swiss at 20th second of the game..
The team locked Swiss into their own half until it was 3 - 1. But then it was that supernatural touch of Tolga (centre back) trying to prevent the ball going into touch which put the ball into the feet of the Swiss forwards. That made 3 -2.
Tuncay - a constant fighter - knocked his 3rd header goal of the match when it was 88th minute. It was 90 + 2 when Tumer (that struck killer goals against Denmark, Ukraine and Albania) was on a 23 - 24 metres long freekick. I don't remember any more stressful moment than this one lately. The angle was perfect the spot was perfect, his left foot was perfect but he shot the ball into the wall and all our dreams faded.
Switzerland who conceded only 7 in whole qualification group matches saw 4 goals at once. But they were the schizophrenic De Bleecker and supernatural Tolga that handed the game into Swiss team at once..
All kinds of sports are games of win or lose - sometimes draw. That's the nature of it. I'd happy to congratulate the rival team after a defeat - like I did after our pathetic defeat at the hands of Latvia before Euro '04. However, I seriously doubt that Swiss players are aware of what they are doing.
too bad Turkey is out...
The Swiss probably won't contribute any thing meaningfull to the tournament, though I wouldn't mind if the Dutch managed to get into the same group as them ;)
But anyway, I feel with you... some time ago, IIRC WC 2002 we weren't there either...makes for a long and boring summer.
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Obviously, we have seen two very different camera shots then...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Oh look who's talking...putting up posters at the airport insulting player's mothers and throwing eggs and other such things at the players as well as their bus is not at all immature then...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Oh there comes a surprise...why can't he take a loss like a real man...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
And Turkey clearly deserves all the reputation for fair play and a job well done...oh...almost forgot...you should also get first prize in Human Rights...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
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Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Generally...
I am not really certain you have watched the same match as I just did. I am glad we are in the WC and not you. I have never seen so much hatred on TV as I have just witnessed. I always knew that Turkey is hell to play in an away match (meant in a fair way) but that is just beyond the bounds of any justified rivalry.
It's easy for your coach to just blame others and accuse them of all sorts of things (good tactic) but maybe he should be looking at himself for once. The amount of bollocks he has been spreading is rather laughable at best and pure hate at worst.
I find it funny that one of your players went to the Swiss cabin to apologise for the punch up in front of the cabins and the general atrocious behaviour of the public and players alike (this coming from the horse's mouth, so to speak).
Also, I have for the first time tonight seen scenes from the Swiss Team's arrival and I would immediately be banned permanantly from this board if I only repeated a single syllable of the 'welcoming posters' that were there.
Don't get me wrong, you won today, and you did well, for the most part. You played rough and we have to get used to that first. The atmosphere and the tremendous support is almost unbeatable worldwide in Turkey. You're an emotional people which can help to miraculously lift your team. But let us be honest...you lost, you don't deserve to go to the WC. Take it as it is and do better next time. DOn't be a sore loser...because I don't like to be a winner rubbing it in...
Well played...
Quid
Make sure I watched the same match, Quid.. I agree with Terim on that : "They are professional provocators"
That's another simple, over-repeated and annoying cornerstone of football but, two penalties (one given to the Swiss without *any* touch, and several we were not in this match) make so much difference..
I can't do anything much about the fans. Fair Play (which has a referee and two rival players in the logo) aims the ones on the pitch being fair first. You know assaulting an assistant coach and a player is not Fair Play.. You may well see in previous posts that I refused to defend Turkish murderers that were pretending to be fans.. My subject is the professionals of football..
Fatih Terim is known well to avoid blaming referee for all his career...Note down..He's not a cry-after-defeat guy.
Latvia played so well and won their way to Euro '04 over us. Fair from the start all over the pitch.. No referee plays.. No press insults over coach..Quote:
Take it as it is and do better next time. DOn't be a sore loser...because I don't like to be a winner rubbing it in...
I'm not a sore loser. Though I'd recommend you to rub this win in - few time to enjoy until summer, you know ~;) ... Enough said..
Do the Spaniards qualify after that draw?
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Qualified teams:
Africa (CAF)
- :angola: Angola
- :cotedivoire: Côte d'Ivoire
- :ghana: Ghana
- :togo: Togo
- :tunisia: Tunisia
Asia (AFC)
- :iran: Iran
- :japan: Japan
- :southkorea: Korea Republic
- :saudiarabia: Saudi Arabia
Europe (UEFA)
- :croatia: Croatia
- :czechrepublic: Czech Republic
- :england: England
- :france: France
- :germany: Germany (host)
- :italy: Italy
- :netherlands: Netherlands
- :poland: Poland
- :portugal: Portugal
- :yugoslavia: Serbia and Montenegro
- :spain: Spain
- :switzerland: Switzerland
- :sweden: Sweden
- :ukraine: Ukraine
North America, Central America & Caribbean (CONCACAF)
- :costarica: Costa Rica
- :mexico: Mexico
- :trinidad-tobago: Trinidad and Tobago
- :unitedstates: United States
South America (CONMEBOL)
- :argentina: Argentina
- :brazil: Brazil
- :ecuador: Ecuador
- :paraguay: Paraguay
Oceania (OFC)
- :australia: Australia
No Colombia ?!
This World Cup is getting worse and worse..
Watch out for Ivory Coast and Iran.. I predict these teams doing Senegal-2002 surprise in Germany..
We will have to agree to disagree then because all I could see in the past two weeks was Mr. Tarim provoking the Swiss...but never mind...neither of us will change our mind about him...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
The Penalty for the Swiss WAS a handball. The only question is...did the ball go to the hand or vice versa. The referee thought the latter. End of discussion. You got a penalty too, I don't know what you're whining about. None of the other incidents were anywhere near another penalty but poor acting on the part of the Turks...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Right, and how many yellow cards have been handed out in both matches? This implies that neither team really played all that 'fair'. In fact, usually the defending side (i.e. Switzerland in Turkey) gets more cards. You rarely see an attacking side getting as many as the Turks did...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
We are not talking about Turkish murderers. We're simply talking about players and fans alike behaving in at least sort of a civilised manner. This did NOT happen. I already apologised for whatever the Swiss may or may not have done to the Turks in Switzerland (although I doubt anything ever happened at all) but what I saw yesterday on telly was ALL the Turks and NONE of the Swiss...
He is in this one!Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
'Nough said!
Quid
UK based players who are likely to play at Germany 2006 (England players not included)
Argentina
Hernan Crespo (Chelsea), Gabriel Heinze (Manchester United)
Australia
Mark Schwarzer (Middlesbrough), Lucas Neill (Blackburn), Tim Cahill (Everton), Tony Popovic (Crystal Palace), Harry Kewell (Liverpool), Brett Emerton (Blackburn), Mark Viduka (Middlesbrough), John Filan (Wigan), Stan Lazaridis (Birmingham), Craig Moore (Newcastle), Luke Wilkshire (Bristol City), Josip Skoko (Wigan), Tim Cahill (Everton)
Brazil
Gilberto Silva (Arsenal)
Croatia
Dado Prso (Rangers), Ivica Mornar (Portsmouth)
Czech Republic
Petr Cech (Chelsea), Milan Baros (Aston Villa), Jiri Jarosik (Birmingham)
Ivory Coast
Didier Drogba (Chelsea), Kolo Toure (Arsenal), Emmanuel Eboue (Arsenal)
France
Djbril Cisse (Liverpool), Claude Makelele (Chelsea), William Gallas (Chelsea), Jean-Alain Boumsong (Newcastle), Thierry Henry (Arsenal), Mikael Silvestre (Manchester United)
Germany
Dietmar Hamann (Liverpool), Jens Lehmann (Arsenal), Robert Huth (Chelsea)
Ghana
Michael Essien (Chelsea)
Holland
Edwin Van Der Sar (Manchester United), Edgar Davids (Tottenham), Ruud Van Nistelrooy (Manchester United), Mario Melchiot (Birmingham City), Arjen Robben (Chelsea), Wilfrid Bouma (Aston Villa), Robin Van Persie (Arsenal), Andy van der Meyde (Everton)
Japan
Junichi Inamoto (West Brom), Hideoshi Nakata (Bolton), Shunsuke Nakamura (Celtic)
Mexico
Jared Borgetti (Bolton)
Poland
Jerzy Dudek (Liverpool), Artur Boruc (Celtic), Kamil Kosowski (Southampton), Tomsaz Hajto (Southampton)
Portugal
Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United), Ricardo Cavalho (Chelsea), Paulo Ferreira (Chelsea), Luis Boa Morte (Fulham)
Tunisia
Hamed Namouchi (Rangers), Rahdi Jaidi (Bolton)
Serbia and Montenegro
Zvonomir Vukic (Portsmouth)
South Korea
Park Ji Sung (Manchester United), Lee Young-Pyo (Tottenham)
Spain
Luis Garcia (Liverpool), Xabi Alonso (Liverpool), Fernando Morientes (Liverpool), Jose Reina (Liverpool), Albert Luque (Newcastle), Jose Antonio Reyes (Arsenal)
Sweden
Olof Mellberg (Sweden), Freddie Ljungberg (Arsenal)
Switzerland
Philippe Senderos (Arsenal)
Trinidad and Tobago
Chris Birchall (Port Vale), Russel Latapy (Falkirk), Jason Scotland (St Johnstone), Stern John (Derby), Kenwyne Jones (Southampton), Kelvin Jack (Dundee), Marvin Andrews (Rangers), Dennis Lawrence (Wrexham), Carlos Edwards (Luton), Shaka Hislop (West Ham), Brent Sancho (Gillingham),
USA
Claudio Reyna (Manchester City), Brian McBride (Fulham), Carlos Bocanegra (Fulham), Bobby Convey (Reading), Tim Howard (Manchester United), Eddie Lewis (Leeds), Jonathan Spector (Manchester United)
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Looks like the UK will have a lot of recognizable names in Germany next year. I'm getting excited already.
i knew a lot of aussies played overseas, but thats suprising to see so many over in england, i guess they neeed a stronger league here where the pay and level of play is up there with the best :-/
I haven't seen the game (Turkey-Switzerland), just parts of the aftermath. So I cannot comment on who provoked whom...
Now, I understand that soccer is a thing of national honor in turkey, but :FANS STOP TAKING MATTERS INTO YOUR OWN HANDS.
This is at least the sixth time (in the past three years) I noticed turkish fans acting like hoodlums and wreaking havoc (usually involving Galatarasay Istanbul fans, but also Fenerbahce Istanbul fans and others).
It's not right. This shames the people I've met as gracious hosts on several ocasions.
Edit: Note that I do not comment on ANY players or trainers action.
Thats nice to know that the preimier league and the scottish league have so many good players. Anyway I counted that Chelsea has 10,Man. Utd. 9 and Liverpool 8 players.
From PlanetFootball.com:
Now I didn't see the game, but I've seen most of what was filmed afterwards. Really funny stuff, but is it me or did a Swiss player start it? They ran off the pitch, he kicked the Turkish coaching staff member and then it all erupted from that. It doesn't matter what happened on the pitch, the Swiss appear to have started the trouble afterwards, so I don't see why the Turks appear to be getting punished. I think Sepp Blatter, being Swiss, is not the right man to preside over this case. I'm just calling it how I saw it.Quote:
Swiss players have exposed the extent of the abuse dished out by Turkey during Wednesday's World Cup qualifying play-off.
Defender Stephane Grichting was hospitalised after receiving a kick in the stomach at the end of the match and was treated for a perforated urinary channel.
Violence erupted in the tunnel following Switzerland's qualification, with Swiss players claiming they were attacked by their Turkish opposition and a number of security guards.
Johan Lonfat, Johann Vogel, Benjamin Huggel and trainer Erich Burgener were all caught in the fracas.
"It is a scandal," fumed Swiss coach Kobi Kuhn. "I never saw it, nobody saw it - Turkish police officers stopped television crews from filming what happened in the tunnel."
Sochaux's Lonfat added: "After the match, the players were pushed around in the tunnel leading to the changing rooms. There, the Swiss players were worked over by Turkish players and police officers.
"Grichting got a kick in the privates and was bleeding. I was attacked. It is incredible."
Sepp Blatter, who is himself Swiss, has revealed his outrage at the events and has threatened to exclude Turkey from the 2010 World Cup.
It has also emerged that the Swiss government are considering legal action. Spokesman Raphael Saborit confirmed: "We can't exclude the possibility of there being action.
"We are seeing what we can do or say but initially we need to be put in touch with the people concerned."
Also, I've heard that neither fans caused any trouble. I know Turkey have a reputation, but I really don't think they can be solely blamed for last night.
And you know what ? FIFA president Sepp Blatter organized a press briefing without seeing ANY official reports blaming Turkey for the whole scene and told that we could be excluded for further organizations..Quote:
Now I didn't see the game, but I've seen most of what was filmed afterwards. Really funny stuff, but is it me or did a Swiss player start it? They ran off the pitch, he kicked the Turkish coaching staff member and then it all erupted from that. It doesn't matter what happened on the pitch, the Swiss appear to have started the trouble afterwards, so I don't see why the Turks appear to be getting punished. I think Sepp Blatter, being Swiss, is not the right man to preside over this case. I'm just calling it how I saw it.
Also, I've heard that neither fans caused any trouble. I know Turkey have a reputation, but I really don't think they can be solely blamed for last night.
That's shame times shame. I saw Number 14 running into the tunnel kicking the assistant coach, then Alpay kicks the one in his front and the nottorious 14 assaults Alpay.
And it is all since we are not very humanitarian.. This is being backroom stuff, though. I don't want to comment any further related to politics.
However, it is obvious that Blatter is a Swiss more than being FIFA president.
Blatters a bloody disgrace and should resign with immediate effect. He has been an embarrassment for years....remember the envelopes under the door thingy and the NZ rep who 'changed' his mind (after a large amount of money was deposited into his acount) so that Germany got to hold the championship?
The mans a menace.
I saw at the news that the Swiss team coach (as in bus) was shot at on it's way to the airport? ~:eek:
I have just seen a report on tv what initially led to the little punch up in front of the cabins between Turkey and Switzerland. The oh-so-holy Mehmet Ozdilek intitally kicked Streller in the legs when the latter was trying to escape to the tunnel. THEN and only then Huggel did the same to the assistent coach. Alpay, meanwhile went for another kick in the tunnel and Huggel charged him also. The assistent coach then charged Huggel and the whole thing escalated.
Funny, apparently those 2 or 3 seconds were never shown on Turkish tv; only the assult on the assistant coach. Furthermore, camaramen who were trying to film the whole incident in order to use it as evidence were hindered in doing so by being shoved around. The shoving is also recorded...and I am not talking Swiss cameramen. It happened as the ARD (German channel) interviewed one of the Swiss players.
The Turkish goalkeeper also led first a verbal assult towards our coach followed by running into our doctor and charging into the tunnel to join the party. It's all recorded.
One Swiss player had to be hospitalised over night and is now wearing a catheder due to a kick in the stomach.
I will expect harsh punishment for the Turkish Football Association as well as bans on some of their players. Also, from what I have seen, Huggel will also need to be banned for the charge on the Assistant Coach.
Although it might be exciting to some to see a good old punch up, this does NOT belong to football or any other sport. It is a disgrace to fairplay and should be dealt with harshly for all parties involved.
The fact that Sepp Blatter is Swiss has very little to do with his reaction. It's about time that FIFA is reacting to such blatant ignorance of fairlplay. I am sick and tired of hearing and seeing fans beating each other up and destroying whole city blocks.
Louis IV the Fat
I have not heard anything of this. Neither from any of the delegation nor in any newsreport. I reckon if it did happen, we would have heard of it by now. Chance are, this is just another prank to heat the situation up further.
Quid
USA ALL THE WAY Heck it even rhymes We are gods choosen we shall domanate. PS Whats The Wrold Cup?
It's something only our women will ever win, because our men cannot compete with the worlds best(no matter what the FIA standings).Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
It's the football world cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
The one where 'world' actually means world and which is about the kind of football that involves kicking an actual ball with your foot. ~;)
It probably is then. I did see some footage of the player bus with what looked suspiciously like two bullet holes. But there is a compelling logic to the statement that if it did happen, the Swiss would've heard of it by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by quid
Anyway, congratulations. I'm already looking forward to playing the Swiss again like we did in Portugal - we need the points. http://matousmileys.free.fr/swiss.gif
Actually we just got trapped the way we were told to be exposed during the 4 days-time after the match.
Play on the nerves and keep off the touch.. We should've known that for sure..
I must thank you for letting us have the youngest player ever to score in a European Cup; this time, it won't be so easy...with or without Henry...~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis IV the Fat
Not sure what you mean, mate. Care to rephrase ?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Quid
No man I was refering to the match in the World Cup, unless my brother, who is a real fanatic, informed me wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
LOL- Don't believe anything that Maradona sais friend...He has being saying this of every player with name that I know. First Saviola, then Riquelme (my favourite), then D'Alesandro, then Tevez and now Messi. But yes I agree with you he has something special.Quote:
Soulforged, let me tell you that Leo Messi has already been one of my favorites. Every 2 or 3 years a new Argentinian player is dubbed as the new Maradona but this kid is the only one that Maradona told watching him was very enjoyable.
Yes well some brazilians are born for this (though it goes against my believes). But they're not so go tacticians, they're good dribblers and attackers but they lack on the back.Quote:
I love Argentinian football a lot, just remembered how we failed on Ortega (I'm a Fenerbahce fan). However, Brazil is my all-time favorite. These guys dance on the ball, one of the reasons I love football is that it is the most aesthetic sports of all. And Brazilian feet definitely prove that..
I like Turkey's team for two reasons. 1- Because it's an arising team (as long as they don't defeat us~;) )2- Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend (I would let you guess who my enemy is~D )~:cheers:
Well the worst Brazilian attacker is the goalie, that's how they base their team on - their attackers, and the worst needs to be the goalie.Quote:
Yes well some brazilians are born for this (though it goes against my believes). But they're not so go tacticians, they're good dribblers and attackers but they lack on the back.
That;s not at all the case today, but that was said of the Brazilian team- and I found it quite appropriate, knowing their dribbling skills ;)
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The offical reports about Turkey - Switzerland match is said to be including heavy accusations over Turkey and around 3 or 5 matches of home ban (SP ?) is probable. Exclusion from the next tournament has low chances, they say.
I'm still shocked at how things grew that much wrong. We were just like grizzly bears trapped under a hornet hive.
No disrespect LEN, because England can't exactly give anyone lessons in football hooliganism, (or rather, we can, sadly), but I can't say any of this is a complete surprise. My impression from English teams playing European football in Turkey is that the clubs are perfectly happy with the sort of bear-pit atmosphere that develops, and if you dine with the devil, sooner or later he is going to get out of control...
In other words this sort of thing was bound to get out of hand eventually, especially if as M says some of the Turkish police are maybe also too wrapped up in the game and not enough in their job.
Not intended as a criticism of Turks generally, as I say England too has a problem, albeit maybe a different one.
Well appreciated, EA..
We were told so much happening in Switzerland that the atmosphere in Turkey was impossible to avoid.. Do not inquire whether it is so important or not, if the coach gets sworn at, Magnin fakes striking the bench and, fans whistle off our national anthem. These could happen and they did.
Sorry, we are emotional ones. And you absolutely know how to arise it.
What really ticks me is that the turkish media did a lot to heat this thing up further. From what I'm reading most turkish papers/TV channels did not show Özdilek tripping the swiss player (who a few seconds later kicked him). That is feeding missinformation. And, since numerous other TV stations are filming the thing, it's really not that smart. (It's like every country seems to need a paper that goes above and beyond the call of feeding BS to the public, be it The Sun,BILD, Enquirer, or as in this case Sabah- but this is maybe a topic for a different thread)
Anyway, over all this mess, the Trinidad/Tobago- Bahrain game seems to be totally forgotten. Again, i could not see the game... was it a legitimate goal the referee did not accept, or was he right?
Well, am glad that this mess is finally being sorted and the accusations can stop. More and more is now being analysed and processed so that something like this won't happen again in the near future.
I, too, find it dispicable when so-called fans whistle during the visitor's national anthem. I, too, was annoyed at the fact that the Swiss did it during the Turkish one. At least, however, the Turkish national anthem could still be heard ~;).
I completely agree with Tricon on this one. It was the media falsely portraying the incidents and trying to create a mob that would be ready to lynch any Swiss in the vicinity of the stadium (probably a gross exaggeration). We all know that many Turks are steered by their emotions and the newspapers and the tv were banking on that. To intimidate was apparently more important to them than fairplay.
With Turkish newspapers today coming out with the truth I can't help but be a little cynical. It just appears that there is a lot of back-peddaling going on at the moment.
I don't think Turkey deserves an outright ban either. I, too, would think that of too harsh. Something has to be done about the media and such 'hate campaigns' against visiting teams, however. Some of our players (at least one) will also need to be banned for attacking one of the Turkish physios. No matter what happened before, such attacks are not acceptable by anyone.
As to the Bahrein - T and T match...I have watched the goal disallowed...I would have given it...the player at no time even touched the goalkeeper. The ref, however, could not have seen it. I seem to remember that George Best had such a goal disallowed once also.
Quid
EDIT: I must also apologise to you, LEN, I just got increasingly frustrated with all the things you said that were simple not true or only partially true. I now know, of course, that you were not fed the same information as the rest of Europe.
Quid, grab the beer, mate !
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And considering that some of the most successful and respected current and retired palyers on the Swiss national team have names like Kubilay , Hakan and Murat, that was really a stupid incident last Wednesday.
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'Cause they were Turkish, mate.. ~;)
an illuminating article in yesterdays times..
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...880959,00.html
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I’ve just spoken to the heroic officer who bravely attacked Eric Cantona when Galatasaray played Manchester United and he says this incident has made him feel ashamed of his badge.”
Lol ! This just says it all. I rest my case...
Quid