God hates homosexuals....and veterans

November 26, 2005
1:30 pm – 2:00 pm
Lansing, MI
Delta Haven Free Methodist Church, 12406 Broadbent Rd., for funeral of Army First Lt. Justin S. Smith

Exact quote from their site::
WBC to picket funeral of Army First Lt. Justin S. Smith - at 2 p.m., Sat., Nov. 26, at Delta Haven Free Methodist dog kennel, 12406 Broadbent Rd., Lansing, Mich. Killed by IED - like the IED America used to bomb Westboro Church, in a terroristic attempt to silence our anti-gay Bible preaching.

this is a church, too
copy of their flier
We are located at 3701 W. 12th Street in Topeka, KS. Regular service time is 11:30 a.m. (Central time).

These guys are going to turn a veteran's funeral into a shameful circus.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/images/2...eattle-wa2.jpg

well thats just bloody stupid.

well it seams like god hates alot theese days... last time it was Sweden. :jumping:

It's Topeka, Kansas. That means "Fred Phelps" and his legions of idiots.

is this made up? Not by Soly, I mean as a parody of what fundamentalist god botherers might believe?

I just can't believe its true.

Yup. Good old Fred Phelps.

Now if only those guys from Washburn University used a bigger bomb under the WBC....

We can all dream, can't we?

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Originally Posted by English assassin

is this made up? Not by Soly, I mean as a parody of what fundamentalist god botherers might believe?

I just can't believe its true.

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Never underestimate a religious nutcase.

These people are fools and idiots, and if I were to see one of the scum holding a sign thanking God for the death of our soldiers, I would be mightily tempted towards violence. They are not Christians.

Crazed Rabbit

Its a good thing that we allow free speech in this country - I am tempted to revoke their right to express themselves in such a way.

But that would be violating everything I stand for.

Oh well in a free society you have nutcases that always go to far. Someday they will cross the line - and violate the law and have to suffer the consequences of their stupidity.

It is difficult to feel Compassion for those who act on such pathetic ignorance. Yet I must try. According to the basis of their own beliefs, they will have much to answer for. Hatred is not a True Christian value. I pity these, and more so--their children.

Edit: What an offensive site ... .

These fellows seem to have a curious obsession with improvised explosive devices.

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Originally Posted by solypsist

http://www.godhatesfags.com/images/2...eattle-wa2.jpg

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:stunned:

Those rotten XXXXXX...

This has to be some kind of bad joke.

/edited for language

its not a joke. Someone should take a damn 2x4 to there face. I know if I was that guys dad or brother or uncle Id be pretty pissed

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Originally Posted by solypsist

this is a church, too

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I've been referred to this site as well; it almost made me weep with rage and frustration. Please know that those of us who truly follow Christ completely reject the hateful ideas of these lunatics who have never known God. This kind of distorted religion angers me and my friends like nothing else.

I long for the day when sincere Christ-followers aren't painted with the same brush as these narrow-minded hypocrites, but more than that, I long for the day when those who identify themselves with God simply stop doing these things and start caring about people.

Their site is fairly horrific. So much ignorance...

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/n...hates-vets.pdf

*rolls eyes* Do I need to remind them that without what veterans have done for us, a good majority of people in the US would be now saluting either the Rising Sun or the Swastika?

Wow - these guys seem to pray to some angry Mr. Hyde version of the Christian God ~:eek:

Perhaps a group gay veterans stole a lollipop from Mr Phelps when he was a kid... :shifty:

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

Wow - these guys seem to pray to some angry Mr. Hyde version of the Christian God ~:eek:

Perhaps a group gay veterans stole a lollipop from Mr Phelps when he was a kid... :shifty:

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Perhaps he is a gay veteran in denial...

Hilarious in a sad sort of way.
Fanaticism is wrong, no matter what the original belief is.

If there were a God, I am sure he would hate idiots above all else.

okay we all seem to be in agreement on this issue.

if i had a following of people who's ignorance-driven hatred supported my party, i would probably be a tad bit weary about it. how does one get away with having the reputation these guys have?my personal favorite is the image of the flag raising in iwo jima, with the text "fags" under it. they preach that veterans are trying to revoke the rights that the first amendment grants them, yet spit on the very people who gave them these rights a future, the ones that fought to preserve those rights from japan, germany, russia, korea, vietnam, italy etc etc etc.

im done rambling. in conclusion, to reiterate the main point of this post... is that if i were a conservative right about now... i would pay attention to the fact that these people support me, and whether or not i feel proud and glad they do so. if thats the case.... god help us all.

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Originally Posted by solypsist

okay we all seem to be in agreement on this issue.

if i had a following of people who's ignorance-driven hatred supported my party, i would probably be a tad bit weary about it. how does one get away with having the reputation these guys have?my personal favorite is the image of the flag raising in iwo jima, with the text "fags" under it. they preach that veterans are trying to revoke the rights that the first amendment grants them, yet spit on the very people who gave them these rights a future, the ones that fought to preserve those rights from japan, germany, russia, korea, vietnam, italy etc etc etc.

im done rambling. in conclusion, to reiterate the main point of this post... is that if i were a conservative right about now... i would pay attention to the fact that these people support me, and whether or not i feel proud and glad they do so. if thats the case.... god help us all.

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Ask yourself the reserve question - if your a liberial - how do feel about the far left in this country?

Both sides of the isle have thier nut jobs - these guys happen to be on the far right - and unfortunely they get to much press time.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Ask yourself the reserve question - if your a liberial - how do feel about the far left in this country?

Both sides of the isle have thier nut jobs - these guys happen to be on the far right - and unfortunely they get to much press time.

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The problem I see is that there has been a very active effort by the majority of conservatives to paint everyone else as a far left liberal: independents, moderates, conservative democrats, mainstream democrats as well as run of the mill liberals. And there is the guilt by association aspect where "evil" is implied for the far left...which then everyone else gets lumped into...~:rolleyes:

There has also been a tendency to claim that the conservative movement represents Christian ideology, family values, etc. while others are all anti-religion, communist, anti-family etc. A number of Christians like myself are infuriated by that. I would counter that the stereotypcial "conservative Christian" represents not Christianity, but more of an Old Testament Judaism. I'm not kidding when I point out that religious political conservatives speak incessantly about God...but little about Jesus. Methinks they lost the thread of why it is called "Christianity." ~;)

If I thought that the conservative Christians' views actually represented those of Christianity, then I would not believe in Christ anymore.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

these guys happen to be on the far right - and unfortunely they get to much press time.

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I'm not even sure if labels like "right" or "left" apply to this sort of people - the terms that seem appropriate are not necessarily used to label the common ppolitical camps...

Are you suggesting that a liberal can't criticize conservatives for not denouncing the radical conservative factions without first denouncing the radical liberal factions, and in the same breath accusing a liberal of not denouncing the radical liberal factions without you first denouncing the radical conservative factions? Cause that's kinda what it looks like.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Ask yourself the reserve question - if your a liberial - how do feel about the far left in this country?

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Originally Posted by Proverbs 1:22

How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

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Originally Posted by Psalm 35:16

With hypocritical mockers in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth

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Originally Posted by Job 17:2

Are there not mockers with me? and doth not mine eye continue in their provocation?

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Mockers / idiots are seen as some of the worst.

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Originally Posted by solypsist

Are you suggesting that a liberal can't criticize conservatives for not denouncing the radical conservative factions without first denouncing the radical liberal factions, and in the same breath accusing a liberal of not denouncing the radical liberal factions without you first denouncing the radical conservative factions? Cause that's kinda what it looks like.

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Nope - that is not what I stated - try again. The question was based upon this comment, that should help several of you to understand the question better. Since it seem to have alluded several of you.

i would pay attention to the fact that these people support me, and whether or not i feel proud and glad they do so. if thats the case.... god help us all.
Its not about the labels that the mainstream conservatives attempt to place on liberials - I am talking about the actual far left - you know the wacko's that plant spikes in trees, throw blood at those who were fur, etc..

However with some of your responses it seems your overly senstive to being called a far left liberial - now that is amusing in my book. ~:eek:


Edit: to fix bolding code

Funny...in an ignorant sort of way...~:handball:

Well of course, it's all relative. None of those examples of the "crazy most vocal section of the left" even comes close to rivaling the activities of these crazy gay/veteran bashers, and I will gladly, resoundingly, denounce their hair-brained platform.

At the end of the day, this group of zealots is miniscule and insignificant, but their "God hates fags" mentality is prominent in enough Republican districts that you should be embarassed to be in any way associated with the party. The fundies vote conservative, and the fundies will be crazier than anything from the left (who aren't in the habit of voting anyway).

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Originally Posted by solypsist

http://www.godhatesfags.com/images/2...eattle-wa2.jpg

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I can tune fanatics out, but that poster is hella funny.

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Well of course, it's all relative. None of those examples of the "crazy most vocal section of the left" even comes close to rivaling the activities of these crazy gay/veteran bashers, and I will gladly, resoundingly, denounce their hair-brained platform.

At the end of the day, this group of zealots is miniscule and insignificant, but their "God hates fags" mentality is prominent in enough Republican districts that you should be embarassed to be in any way associated with the party. The fundies vote conservative, and the fundies will be crazier than anything from the left (who aren't in the habit of voting anyway).

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Then its a good thing I am not a Republican and only a conservative now isn't. ~:eek:

heh heh..

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Then its a good thing I am not a Republican and only a conservative now isn't. ~:eek:

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The word of God:(all from the link)
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
"Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
"The foolish shall not stand in thy sight, thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
"Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."
"Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD."
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness...unto vile affections...to a reprobate mind."
"And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

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I think they follow the word of God pretty well...~:rolleyes:

I seriously think if one of these "people" were picketing a funeral of a dead soldier, and a family member flipped out and shot a few of them or beat them to death or whatever, that no jury in the country would convict the family member. Aside from being disrespectful to our country and to all the tradition of laying our dead to rest, this is just a downright dispicable thing to do to a grieving family. If I were on tthe receving end of one of these visits while mourning at a funeral those people would be leaving via ambulences. There are just some things you don't disturb, and funerals are one of them

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Originally Posted by solypsist

At the end of the day, this group of zealots is miniscule and insignificant, but their "God hates fags" mentality is prominent in enough Republican districts that you should be embarassed to be in any way associated with the party. The fundies vote conservative, and the fundies will be crazier than anything from the left (who aren't in the habit of voting anyway).

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I was waiting for you to drop the other shoe when I saw you posted this- of course you didnt disappoint. :no:

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

I was waiting for you to drop the other shoe when I saw you posted this- of course you didnt disappoint. :no:

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So you admit to supporting the WBC?

Pat Robertson just called for my death

Really, now?
And was it a specific call for your, personal death, or more of a general 'the city you live in shall be smitten' sort of thing?

Oh, and ditto Xiahou on the dropping of the other shoe.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by solypsist

Pat Robertson just called for my death

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Did he call for your death, or did he pray that God would "create a vacancy" where your living, breathing body now is? I learned here in the Backroom that calling for vacancies to lifetime appointments is apparently not quite the same, and is therefore legit. It must be some new form of Christianity...without that wimpy, liberal Christ guy messing up all the cool fire and brimstone.

the first one was Pat. the second was Panzer Jager.

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Originally Posted by Red Harvest

1.Did he call for your death,
2. or did he pray that God would "create a vacancy" where your living, breathing body now is?

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Originally Posted by solypsist

the first one was Pat. the second was Panzer Jager.

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However we all know that you are beneath the radar scope of Pat's prayers to have individual vacate their "office". So what you have done here could fall into the catergory of a violation of the forum rules - would it not?

Is it time for the Moderator of the Backroom to give himself a warning? ~:eek:

how would saying that PJ wants me gone be a violation of forum rules?

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Originally Posted by Redleg

However we all know that you are beneath the radar scope of Pat's prayers to have individual vacate their "office". So what you have done here could fall into the catergory of a violation of the forum rules - would it not?

Is it time for the Moderator of the Backroom to give himself a warning? ~:eek:

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how would saying that PJ wants me gone be a violation of forum rules?

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If your putting words into Pat's mouth that were not spoken - then that is knownly false information - is it not?

And did PJ state that he wanted you gone from the forum as a moderator - or in the way stated wanted your body to be vacated?

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Originally Posted by Redleg

If your putting words into Pat's mouth that were not spoken - then that is knownly false information - is it not?

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~:rolleyes:

Petty. That statement was obviously made in jest. Quit belittling our beloved Tavern. :brood:

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

~:rolleyes:

Petty. That statement was obviously made in jest. Quit belittling our beloved Tavern. :brood:

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Petty my rear-end - I expect moderators to behave in line with the rules that they are suppose to enforce. The behavior of the tavern is a direct reflection of the moderators as much as it is the patrons. If a moderator can make such a comment even in jest - then everyone should be able to make that type of comment without getting warnings - and we all know how that will turn out don't we. What we do as patrons is a direct reflection on how they speak and act in the tavern - even in jest his comment was not called for.

What is petty is your comment - but that is to be expected from an individual like you who once called for the death of everyone that didn't agree with your viewpoint about a certain subject.

Go read some more philosophy - :hide:

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Originally Posted by Redleg

If a moderator can make such a comment even in jest - then everyone should be able to make that type of comment without getting warnings

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JAG? ~:rolleyes:

LOL, I swear that sounded Sartrean. Maybe you should be a liberal. No when someone makes a statement that is wrong and doesn't get punished that doesn't mean that you should do the same. That's unethical my challenged friend.

ROTFLMAO

from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Here we have Americans calling for the death and eternal damnation of our soldiers, and within one page it shifts to the old right/left schism then to the moderators should be ideal examples while debate to . . . what's next, I forget.

Its not that Pat would want Soly's death, but Soly better damn well know that if he ever gets on his knees to pray to God to spare him from the trbulations that He sent upon Soly, that God (on advice from His chosen spokespeople here on earth) can ignore Soly and make him squirm.

Jeez, this place could be funny but its becoming, . . . oh wait, I was laughing my off at this thread, so I guess it is pretty damn funny.

So Ill leave you with some very old Fleetwood Mac

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Oh Well

I can't help about the shape I'm in
I can't sing, I ain't pretty and my legs are thin
But don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to

Oh well

Now, when I talked to God I knew he'd understand
He said, "Stick by my side and I'll be your guiding hand
But don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to"

Oh well

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ichi~:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Redleg

If a moderator can make such a comment even in jest - then everyone should be able to make that type of comment without getting warnings - and we all know how that will turn out don't we.

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I vote for that option. ~:cool:

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

JAG? ~:rolleyes:

LOL, I swear that sounded Sartrean. Maybe you should be a liberal. No when someone makes a statement that is wrong and doesn't get punished that doesn't mean that you should do the same. That's unethical my challenged friend.

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Well at least I know where the Nazi's got part of their warped ideolgy from - which would make you even more challenged since you wanted to deny the history now wouldn't it.

Like I said go read some more philosophy you might actually begin to learn something

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Well at least I know where the Nazi's got part of their warped ideolgy from - which would make you even more challenged since you wanted to deny the history now wouldn't it.

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~:rolleyes: Even God would be sad if he saw such "intelligence".

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

~:rolleyes: Even God would be sad if he saw such "intelligence".

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That is why the Nazi's lost - there "intelligence" was soley lacking - much like your's seems to be at times.

Soly lacking? ok Redleg: chill out man, you're getting out of hand. That was rude ... .

Edit: Oh ... "Soley lacking." Heh ... my faux pax (or was it a freudian slip on your part?).

Illegitimus non carborundum est, my friend (re: le prince de darkness voiannabe).

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Soly lacking? ok Redleg: chill out man, you're getting out of hand. That was rude ... .

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Well I was just jesting before some little child decided to butt his little nose into it.

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Well I was just jesting before some little child decided to butt his little nose into it.

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I bet it makes you feel like a big man to call me that. ~;)

How is Pat any different to the extremists Mullahs calling for the deaths of all who are different to him?

Gah ... *whooshing sound as my whole pointless point goes sailing over heads ...*

No prob Red: my statement was a joke. I didn't really think you were rude.

Oh, and BP: I got your big man feeling right here, lil un ... ~;)

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Oh, and BP: I got your big man feeling right here, lil un ... ~;)

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Did you not hear what I'm into? ~D
I'm a sick sick boy, you best be careful.

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

I bet it makes you feel like a big man to call me that. ~;)

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Not at all - I am plently big enough to handle a little verbal sparing. Hell I haven't even warmed up yet.

Shall we keep it civil - or get down to the quick and dirty?

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

How is Pat any different to the extremists Mullahs calling for the deaths of all who are different to him?

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He's not - but the jest is now ruined - so move along - nothing to see here anymore.

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... I am plently big enough to handle ... haven't even warmed up yet. ... Shall we keep it civil - or get down to the quick and dirty?

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Oh pretty please with a cherry (~;p) on top ... can I watch?!!

Damn ... this tequila's got a kick! LOL!! ~:cheers:

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Oh pretty please with a cherry (~;p) on top ... can I watch?!!

Damn ... this tequila's got a kick! LOL!! ~:cheers:

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Have you seen the worm yet?

Oh God... You guys are too clever for me. So many tricks and so many holes I can't even keep up.

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Have you seen the worm yet?

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LOL! Through the Clouds and Rain, This Dragon's riding the Wind, m8 ~:joker: !

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LOL! Through the Clouds and Rain, This Dragon's riding the Wind, m8 ~:joker: !

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Ah the memories of my youth - Mescal used to be one of my favorite's - however one to many times I have seen the worm - and it just does not have the draw that it once had.

Oh but it is a powerful beast that wishes to bring you to its bosum to draw of its nectar. Be careful chasing the worm since it has a bad habit of biting back.
~:cheers:

Ah--but I like creatures that bite back! See these lil scars I've got here? Well lemme tell ya ...

:ahh:

... on second thought, it's time to hit the hay ... past time. :fishbowl:

[... dreams of impudent, moaning cherries reeking of agave nectar, spilled from a raku bowl on to a filthy church altar. The blood-red juices slowly ooze over musty pages of Nietzsche, Sartre, and Maplethorpe. The cacaphony intensifies. A rusty spoon, etched with the Star of Texas, descends from a flag pole flying American colors and smushes the loudest of these into pulp. A white worm emerges, its face that of a masked shinobi, and laughs hysterically, yelling "Kawabunga!," as a 21-gun salute commences and a crowd watches respectfully. Meanwhile--above it all--a camera hovers, poised for action. The lense is cold and scrutinizing, its tongue stuck in its cheek.]

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[... dreams of impudent, moaning cherries reeking of agave nectar, spilled from a raku bowl on to a filthy church altar. The blood-red juices slowly ooze over musty pages of Nietzsche, Sartre, and Maplethorpe. The cacaphony intensifies. A rusty spoon, etched with the Star of Texas, descends from a flag pole flying American colors and smushes the loudest of these into pulp. A white worm emerges, its face that of a masked shinobi, and laughs hysterically, yelling "Kawabunga!," as a 21-gun salute commences and a crowd watches respectfully. Meanwhile--above it all--a camera hovers, poised for action. The lense is cold and scrutinizing, its tongue stuck in its cheek.]

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Very good - :bow:

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Originally Posted by Soulforged

I think they follow the word of God pretty well...~:rolleyes:

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For the record, those quotes are all taken out of context and pieced together. All they are doing is distorting scripture. This is actually a hallmark of dangerous cults - focusing in on a few texts (removed from their textual, historical, and cultural contexts) and ignoring the rest that doesn't suit their agenda and arguments.

I agree. The fact is that men are very very very very very very very times 1000 times religious creatures. We believe in luck, charms, stars, zodiac signs and all those magical stuff. This is the work of Satan (NO, I'm NOT a crazed fanatic), it is a fact. Satan is damn religious and he always love to use the Bible and distort it. Remember the 40 days Jesus spend in the wilderness and Satan used the Scriptures to tempt Jesus? Yes he did! What Satan said to Jesus came from the Old Testement. Up to now, Satan is still doing that, distorting the truth.

People, Christianity is not a religion, you don't just go throught the motions. It is something more, it is a relationship with God. All religions tell you what are the problems in life - sin. But they never tell you how to handle it or if they do, not in a very successful way. I'm not saying that everyone should convert to Christianity, no! I respect other religions and belief, Jesus stressed tolerance, grace and forgiveness. But think about it, people think that Christianity is a religion with rules of what to do and what not to do. They are missing the main thing, being a Christian means that you have a one to one relationship with God.

Now, I wait for the arguements to come flying back at me. :hide:

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Now, I wait for the arguements to come flying back at me. :hide:

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Navaros, is that you? ~:confused:

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Navaros, is that you? ~:confused:

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No, its is LLB and always LLB. Who is Navaros anyway? ~:confused:

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No, its is LLB and always LLB. Who is Navaros anyway? ~:confused:

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Juts making sure. We have another member by the (chosen) name of Navaros who often acts as God's Enforcer on the forum.

All I can think of with regard to your post is this: how can you have an intimate personal relationship with one whose historicity is doubtful at best and who is supposed to be dead for 1967 years?

WOW! I didn't know you have a God Enforcer here! No, I'm just putting facts bare-faced that some people are just so narrow-minded and yes I'm a Christian. But can I mean this God Enforcer??? Please? ~D

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WOW! I didn't know you have a God Enforcer here! No, I'm just putting facts bare-faced that some people are just so narrow-minded and yes I'm a Christian. But can I mean this God Enforcer??? Please? ~D

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Oh, I do apologise for the silly question. Anyway, we are just having a little talk between Inquisitors here, ~D

I mean no disrespect, LittleLostBoy. But the passage about the personal relationship is too much for me. Could you please elaborate?

You know, when you become a Christian, you are just not one person that follow a religion. You belong to God's family which mean you become a child (note the word child) of God. So all the other christians in the world are also part of your 'spiritual' family. We are united under the banner of belonging to the family of God.
I told you to note the word 'child' because if you observe a young child, they trust their parents completely, in knowing that their parents will look after them, feed them, comfort them. So in short, God is your Heavenly Father. He is not some impersonal force (like in Star Wars where they keep saying the 'Force binds the Universe together'). Nope. God is personal, He thinks, He cares, He loves, He is personal. So that is what I mean by a one to one relationship with God.

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So in short, God is your Heavenly Father. He is not some impersonal force (like in Star Wars where they keep saying the 'Force binds the Universe together'). Nope. God is personal, He thinks, He cares, He loves, He is personal. So that is what I mean by a one to one relationship with God.

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I get it. I find it hard to empathise with it, but I get it. Is the Devil also a personal, thinking, caring, loving being?

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

Juts making sure. We have another member by the (chosen) name of Navaros who often acts as God's Enforcer on the forum.

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Oh my God, Navaros visits these boards ~:eek:
Let's say I know him well enough from another forum, until he got banned.

To bad really...his posts always made me laugh ~D

lol, good thread, but it depends upon actrion not faith, i am not a christian or any religion for that matter and yet i'm discusted at what these freaks are doing. LLB is right, all religions at the very core are almost perfect good but each is warpt and distorted by humans. muslims would be viewed as good and just people had not a few warped there koran erasing the part about all forms of suicide is sinfull and editing in that giving your life for jihad will get you heaven and 70 virgins, if you actually find that in the koran then your magic. and so it will be with these psudo-christians, they do not show this kind of hatred because there god wills it they do because they want it to be true, and in there feeble little minds they belive if enough belive it it becomes true. soon they grow bloated with a sense of power and decide it is gods will to apply the idea, but is it. even in the bible where it says trhat homosexuallity is wrong it says that they will destroy themselves, that god will stop it. it was never the duty of any mortal to distribute gods justice, it was only there duty to be accepting and have faith, and yet...

ok i'm done

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Originally Posted by master of the puppets

lol, good thread, but it depends upon actrion not faith, i am not a christian or any religion for that matter and yet i'm discusted at what these freaks are doing. LLB is right, all religions at the very core are almost perfect good but each is warpt and distorted by humans. muslims would be viewed as good and just people had not a few warped there koran erasing the part about all forms of suicide is sinfull and editing in that giving your life for jihad will get you heaven and 70 virgins, if you actually find that in the koran then your magic. and so it will be with these psudo-christians, they do not show this kind of hatred because there god wills it they do because they want it to be true, and in there feeble little minds they belive if enough belive it it becomes true. soon they grow bloated with a sense of power and decide it is gods will to apply the idea, but is it. even in the bible where it says trhat homosexuallity is wrong it says that they will destroy themselves, that god will stop it. it was never the duty of any mortal to distribute gods justice, it was only there duty to be accepting and have faith, and yet...

ok i'm done

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Nice one Master of the Puppets! Yes, I forgot to say this, it doesn't make sense to help God to deliver justice. God does not need our help, He knows what to do and He does it in His time, not in ours.

I'm done too.

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

I get it. I find it hard to empathise with it, but I get it. Is the Devil also a personal, thinking, caring, loving being?

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The Devil is a REAL being. He is a personal and thinking being too. But sad to say, he's not caring and loving. His main goal is to drag as much humans as he can into Hell so that we all suffer along with him when Judgement Day comes. Sorry, but I don't mean to frighten you guys out there but this is what the Devil really wants. The Devil hates the guts out of you, espeically Christians. So when people think Christians have everything going smoothly, you're wrong, the Devil trys to make things worse for us so that we will lose our faith in God and come running back to the world. It happens, even to me. Yes, I'm not perfect, no one is.

Just a fact: The humans' first attempt at religion was when they were building the Tower of Babel. They believe that by building that glorious temple, they could be equal to God and could talk to God. But that is not right because they were blinded by pride and wanted to go to God through their way, not by God's way.

I like this guy hes like me except smarter

[QUOTE]The Devil is a REAL being.QUOTE]

I prefered Don Corleone's view that the devil is a state of mind. Well, he didn't put it quite that way, but its what he meant.

As for Nav, I kind of miss him. Kind of.