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I had battle with GH in Moldavia and I won Phyrric. My general run away and suffer Good Runner and Doubtfull Courage same turn ~:mecry:. (Btw. it's XL mod remoded by myself).
1. What to do with him - kill with assassin (I have assassins with 8 and 7 stars), disband or leave him to live?
2. My best 9 star general have alcoholic VnV (-20 health). What means -20 health?
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I'd promote him to be a governor of something instead of killing him. He's a great builder. The war is over for him.
I forgot - he had following stats:
loyalty - 9
piety - 0
dread - 0
command - 3
acumen - 2
Command is only 3 and his acumen is too low to make him a good governer. If I were you I'd just disband his unit. Besides, Great Builder is easy enough to get.
Kill 'im, pour encourager les autres.
Or disband him. But, basically, he's broken.
He doesn't cost too much, just leave him a province behind enemy lines and use him to quell rebellions.
(sniff) I think I smell burning - got to be an inquisitor! Might as well get a bit of training out of the death of this reject
It's a style question, what rules are you playing by?
I never disband, assassinate, or burn loyal gens, but he's no longer fit to command. Either give him a little province somewhere to manage (you can get his acumen up with a title or two) or slip him into the King's stack.
Don't let him lead an army.
ichi:bow:
Some of you are really cruel. ~:mecry:
How can you treat your generals who served you like that?
What ichi said ~;) .
I'm more interested in how the Danes became a Mediterranian power (never seen them further than northern Spain) than in his generals...
And yeah, the guy is not that great, there's nothing there that noone new could learn. However, personally I tend to treat my generals well, so I'd just leave him to tend some godforsaken place. C'mon, give the man a break! There's no reason to burn the little fella just because he isn't Superman.. ~;)
No, it's only imitation of middle ages, a period where this game is set to, where kings used to have their generals killed ~;) ~:cool: ~:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Weebeast
However, I agree ichi's solution to be the best one
I have played the Danes and had a couple of longboats in every sea lane and
even captured Antioch, Palestine and Tripoli just for fun ~;) . It was on
normal difficulty though ~:rolleyes: . Constaninople was mine too ~;) . I
enjoy playing as the Danes mainly because at the start you don't have so
many provinces to manage (like HRE and Byz) and you can take any route
you want. ~:cool:
You should put him in a stack where he wouldn't be the general. Or you can train your inquisitors on him.
[QUOTE=DukeofSerbia]My best 9 star general have alcoholic VnV (-20 health). What means -20 health?
Health equates to the amount of hits a sprite can take before dying. Generals have more than normal soliders, but -20 health results in about -6 hit points. This should be slightly evened up by his command - 9 command has a big bonus. He will be rather vulnerable, be very careful if you're going to use him in combat.
I would give him a quiet place to retire or put him under a greater general. He is loyal enough that you don't need to worry him.
Yes, give him some place to retire, but first use the men in his unit to fill the loses in other. Then put in some nice sunny provance were he can life his life in peace.
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Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
Grant him governership and an office if you have any available. His base acumen (2) will increase this way and you will get more income.
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I rather give titles to a general who already has 5 acumen. That way Constantinople, Egypt, Antioch and others get an uber governor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre
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Sure, why not, if you already have a five acumen general.
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I'd use him. He gives total of +18 morale to those around him and +9 morale to everyone else. -6 IS NOT THAT MUCH. I don't find it all that needed when your whole army has a 4 valour bonus.
Actually, Danes were much bigger, but they are in war with 7-8 states continuesly, and then Aragon reappeared and push them from Spain, but they (Aragon) broke up in civil war (those rebels in Spain and Western France) and Fatimids then countered in Middle East...:duel:Quote:
Originally Posted by lilljonas
I don't see how he could give troops +18 morale with only 3-star command. Was there a morale-enhancing V&V I missed?Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Otherwise his command rating is only going to give a +3 morale bonus to troops within 50 meters of him, others further away are only going to gain +1. Then subtract the -6 penalty, and his army is going to start fighting with net morale losses from their base levels. Better to have no General at all leading the men, don't you think?
[QUOTE=Mablung]I will use your advice.:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
Orthodox factions doesn't have inquisitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by miho
I was refering to the 9 star with good runner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geezer57
I did not think the valour from the general gave the morale bonus, only the attack and defence bonuses.
OK, I get it now. There were two Generals in DukeofSerbia's original post, one 3-star with Good Runner, and one 9-star alcoholic with Dead Drunk(-20 Health). You just got them switched, which makes you just as confused as I am! ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Troops get +1 valour for every 2 stars of command for a general. Normally valour add +1 attack, +1 defence, and +2 morale. For valour gained from a general I do not think troops get the morale bonus. Therefore the nine star general with the good runner vice would not be that great.
Unless I somehow am all screwed up.
The general himself gives a a +2 morale bonus to troops around him and +1 to everyone else.
Agreed. Just make sure he NEVER commands an army, don't waste a good unit because the leader sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgfred
Actually, he's Dead Drunk ~:cheers: (not Alcoholic) - but anyway, he has -20 health.Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
As Mablung said, this guy is going to be very fragile in melee combat - but nine stars is too good a command rating to pass up. I'd let the other units in the roster do the real fighting - save the General for chasing off low-morale routers (wouldn't want him trashed by an elite router that suddenly rallied, would you?). That way he shouldn't encounter anything he can't handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
It's pointless to give him a title, it's better to just give it to an acumen 4 peasant. Ethically, your personal relationships shouldn't interfere with something as important as the efficiceny of running your kingdom.
When fighting against rebels you want their presence to be as inconsequential as possible, if you have no generals to spare, send this guy to boost your steppe cavalry by 1 valour point.
Sorry didn't pay attention who are you playing with.Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
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Originally Posted by Patron
Damn Patron, you are a pretty cold Ruler.~:mecry:
I like to play MTW a little RPG like. Following the generals around is fun.
This general is Early Kraljevska Garda (aka Boyars from Novgorod). I have to use him because I was attacked by Golden Horde :duel: , I destroyed them but they reapeared... Every unit put in his stuck has at least valour 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geezer57
What mod are you using to play as Serbs?
To answer miho's question
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Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
Your answer is the right one :bow: - it's XL mod remoded (drasticly) by myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knight Templar
You are right. The valour of a general does not include the morale bonus. Instead, the general gives +1 morale for every star to soldiers close by (50m ?), and +1 morale for every two stars to soldiers a little farther away (100m ?). Beyond that, there is no bonus, so the -6 morale is going to hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by m52nickerson
Unless you are fighting with high morale units or veterans, morale is king and -6 is a big hit. I would place him somewhere he is unlikely to ever command an army again, and perhaps give him a title, unless there are more worthy candidates.
Well, since that's the case - conquer a province in a far away land and leave him in the keep. Then you can count how long he can hold out in the castle all by himself.
Here's my Dead Drunk general
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This 9-star general's V&V's are final proof of how booze and war don't mix!
I would give your 'Doubtful Courage' general a chance to redeem himself: fix his unit, put him in a stack under ANOTHER general, possibly the Tzar himself (to make the redemption even more glorious) and assign him to the most dangerous place in a battle where the death toll is the highest. Let him prove that there's a man in there somewhere!