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.............I think Im starting to lean more to the left these days so boys forgot free health care legal weed gay marrige abortion and start a thread on immagration or guns or the death penalty. There gonna kick me out and you guys just dont understand what kind of perks we get~D
Eh? ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
You should have taken the red pill..... ~;)
I think he has... ~:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by bmolsson
Dot dot dot!
SFTS, you've been hanging with the wrong crowd. ~;)
Nothing wrong with being on the left, we have all the cool students!
Don't forget the awesome babes... :hair2: :charge:Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Do the liberal thing while your young, I did and I had a blast. The liberal chicks give it up easier because of the lack of respect for themselves and wanting to go against their parents and stuff. Gotta love those liberal sluts. Plus it takes all that preasure off of yourself because you can blame eveyone else for your own problems and responibility can be left to others as well. "Society" is a great thing to blame everything on when you're living the lefty life, try to remember that when you're sporting your Che shirt that you dropped $25 bucks on because the hippy chicks find him "dreamy" (JAG find him dreamy as well you know). Enjoy yourself, because that's what's most important to any lefty.~D
lol, oh my Dave you are a legend. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Edit - You're still a legend Dave! :p
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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I edited my post JAGAROO, check it out!!!:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
The Che shirt part is pretty funny.
(All my clothes are self-paid for: they actually looked pretty conservative.)
Bollucks Dear chap are you trying to get my knickers in a twist. Jolly good tryQuote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I love english english
I live to make you happy JAG, you know that don't you..:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
I love the way you still think we talk like that. ;)
You said them words lots specally the bullocksQuote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Hey, Strike- congratulations, man. But what is causing this shift in your political views?
They told him they were M&M's...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
Well you know what they say about Green M&M's........~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
~:cheers: Yes and the fact that I realized Canada was kick ass. Still not as good as TEXAS but good. Not to mention this borad has revaled some unflatering ways conservatives think and I didnt wanto to be thatQuote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
STEE-RIKE for da Souf!Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
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Yes Kanada is awesome. We have overwhelmingly good-looking women all over the place, and lots of love for beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
I know what you mean about conservatives. I'll let you in on a little secret, when I first joined the org I was more conservative then Gawain and Kaiser put together. Then I moved to the left, and now I'm a Centrist, a mix of everything the way I feel like seeing them. Hehe.
Come to Western Kanada some time. We'll show you a good time.
So Dave, I'm on the wrong side? ~D
Yep. :jester:
My guess: Strike read the thread about the .org in the old days and said to himself: 'Hell yeah, I'll do my own thinking from now on.'
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I don't know that the übercons on this board are representative of conservatism as a whole. It's highly unlikely that the backroom of a video game forum is representative of much of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
Take comfort from this fact.
Better to be a vilified radical today than the racist bigot kids read about in history books tomorrow. Remeber guys, Fredrick Douglas was a radical and Nathan Bedford Forrest was pretty well respected, my how the tables have turned.
Liberalism strives for maximized liberty; it gets fuzzy when you talk about how that liberty is secured. One can have conservative ideals and be a liberal, e.g. someone may beleive promiscuity is bad while allowing others to be promiscuous. Similarly one can be promiscuous w/o forcing others to be promiscuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Liberals who champion positive rights, things like affirmative action, are not representative of all liberals; that is a corruption of the word. Leaning "left" is not equivilant to being liberal, and leaning "right" isn't equivilant to being conservative. Conservatism is generally opposed to progressivism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
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Originally Posted by strike for the south
Now in all seriousness - changing your political and social views because you have learned new things - is part of maturing as a human being. The only point I would make is find the political and social views of the world that fit how you think and feel. Allow yourself to grow and mature in the way that makes you feel good about yourself (the rest of us are not important) - the overall philosophy you must take in life is the one that makes you who you want to be.
As for the unflatering ways of conservatives - there are many of them. Just like there are unflatering ways of those who have any philosophy. If you take the extreme positons in everything - you end up not liking yourself in the end.
Now when you debate your idealogue views - many different things can happen - you might take the hard line stance, or you might even soften your view in the discussion. In the end it is you who must be happy with your outlook on life, politics and society - not anyone else.
Get a gun and go to a drive thru liqour store, buy some ammo too while you're there, and go out and try to either shoot or hit armadillos with your car while drinking and driving. This will cure any leftist infections and restore to your true Texas roots*Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
ichi~:cheers:
Do not attempt to actually do such a thing, recommendations are for illustrative purposes only, do not take armadillos internally, may cause gastric distress, fractures limbs, sudden death, arrest and conviction; never distract the driver while he's drinking, remain behind the white line while bus is in motion, remember the Alamo, actual results may vary, not legal outside of Texas, do not take ichi seriously he's just ribbing you about Texas, when he was in East Texas fighting fires all the Texans treated him nicely
Are you sure they were not considering you for the stew pot as a replacement meat for the armadillos.... ~:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ichi
Its full of stars? ~DQuote:
My God............................
Stay young for ever in other words. I want my heart to rule over my human, egoistic and destructive senses! :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Oh well, I dont really believe in what churchill says... think he was rather silly.
Why do you spell your nation with a K?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
well what am i Left or right?
I think.
war, guns, "religious wars" and tree killing is wrong (unless you plant a new tree)
So that makes me left or right?
i think it makes me a pagan lol. But i aint religios,
(hope that that dosent makes me more of a pagan)
wouldnt wanna be branded a heratic or witch or nuthing.
So what am i left or right?
There your definitions so stick me in a pigeon hole :)
And churchil was a Racist sexist, oppinionated, un relenting, Hard headed, over bearing, stubor....
Yah he was kinda good huh,
Bring back Maggie!
Okay, now that you have crossed the border into the left side of the world, maybe it's time to distinguish between the very different points of view the left offers.
Socialism:
Division of wealth, giving money to the poor, unemployment payouts and all that. Pretty much the most hated form of leftism in the US afaik. I like the free healthcare and free education stuff, the rest is too expensive imho.
'Green' liberalism
Save the trees ! Plant more trees ! I'm sorry but you can't farm here because it would be bad for the trees ! Kyoto is great !
IMO pretty much the opposite of what liberalism is supposed to be, telling people things they can't and shouldn't do. A lot of people trapped in this ideology are quite wealthy I've noticed, and they usually think OTHER people shouldn't do certain things.
True liberalism (TM)
Essentially allowing people to do whatever they want in the privacy of their won home, and giving as much freedom as possible in the rest of the world. Economically concerned about the 'true' cost of actions (like pollution) and making people pay that cost (very hard to calculate). There are two main problems with this idealogy. First, total freedom is hard to accomplish, since many people want many different things and there might be conflicting interests.
Second, it's hard to say what the true cost of some actions is (like pollution, electricity, cutting down trees, etc).
Most liberal views include elements from all three idealogies, to a lesser or greater extent.
Enjoy your stay on the left side ~:cheers:
Because I feel like it. Read the damn post! ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
~DI did...Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
To me it was:
bla Kanada bla bla. Bla bla blabla bla-bla bla bla bla bla bla, and lots of love for beer.
Bla bla bla bla bla bla conservatives. Bla bla bla bla bla bla secret, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla Gawain and Kaiser bla bla. Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, bla bla bla bla Centrist, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. Hehe.
Bla bla Western Kanada bla bla. Bla bla bla bla bla bla.
~:joker:
(I hope you can handle a little Norse humor)
I was just wondering if you rehearsed for the surrendering to Denmark. ~D
My thought exactly ~D
Although we spell it with c
Well just look where your country is now. I'm no expert, but it sure seems to me as though your country took a very steep dive towards being a second class power on the world stage after World War II. Too much Liberalism.
I think you will find that the decline of Britain might just have something to do with bancruptcy caused by fighting two world wars and the loss of its money making base (the empire) . bugger all to do with liberalism GC.
Well who's fault is that? Maybe Britain ought to have stayed out of World War I, and left France to it's fate.
Ah yes that would be the liberals in the arms race and the liberals that wanted to project the mighty power of the empire , silly me~:rolleyes:
Like America did in World War II?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
had the British decision-makers had any brains, they would have simply stayed out of it, and happily supplied arms to both sides.
Ah but they did GC , the descision makers made fortune , it was the country and its people who got screwed .
Gah! Britain's continental policy has always been crystal clear: to ally herself with whomever opposes the nation trying to gain hegemony on the continent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
That meant finding allies against Spain/ Habsburg in the 16th, against France in the 17th and 18th, and in the 19th century, since 1870, against Germany .
There was no such thing as Britain rescuing France in 1914. It was well-understood self-interest by Britain. A German victory over France would've spelled the end of the British Empire by German hands.
That doesn't mean that it was France who saved the British Empire on the Somme though. The fate of both relied upon the other, with near perfect parallel interests. The interest of France was best served by the survival of the British Empire :wall: ~:mecry:
, the interest of Britain by a Germany that was kept in check on the continent.
Nice. Left is the way of Satan.
Maybe you should take a tour of true north, Strike, to see leftism in action.
Well, we are the True North, after all..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Heh, Sigurd I was going to pwn you with that but I spared you skinny XXXQuote:
Originally Posted by Sjakihata
/edit: last friendly reminder to watch the language. i see more and welcome to banville, population: you.
You forgot "pickled old gin-pot."Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
Those are all the things that made him cool...
Never mind Sjakihata, he is a young fellar and have been brought up with liberal pillows under his arms. The dense air in the lowlands has brought insanity to their language. He is probably not aware of the fact that Canada is spelled Kanada in all of the Scandinavian languages; yes, even in Danish. That they allow C’s is probably due to the fact of declining quality among today’s language teachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Could it be that the Danes are rehearsing for the surrender to Canada? ~D
South.....Just because I have some rather extreme views on crime punishmnet, dont mean you have to be like me or turn, heck many conservitves on here are not as hard line as me but they are still conservitives.
look at
gawain
red leg
don corleone
all very good conservitves!
PS When you said ''unpleasent'' thinking it was because of my one thread a while back about expanding the death penalty right? Because I remember you being very against it.
I wasnt just taliking about yall here. I was talking about a shift over time with real people to
You'll be back!~;) No more foot ball for you! now you have to play soccer.~D
Real people!?!
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I know I was scared toQuote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
If it wasn't for the USA, France would be flying the Hammer and Sickle right now.
If it wasn't for France the Western colonials would be flying the Union Jack~D ~D ~D
~:cool:gah we won in spite of france~:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
gah we won in spite of france
Yeah I know , guns can be really scary weapons when you have no gunpowder .~;)
There, corrected your quote ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
good one Ironside :bounce:
If some primitive Homo Sapiens wouldn't have left Africa many thousands of years ago, you wouldn't be having this discussion anyway.
There would have been no 13 colonies if Britain hadn't colonised the east coast of North America. There would have been no USA if France hadn't helped the colonials in their struggle and, more importantly, hadn't forced Britain to focus on a more important enemy. And there most likely wouldn't have been a free Britain or France if the USA hadn't helped out in both World Wars. Fait Accompli.
Well all thats well and good.
But am i left or right?
"tree loving war opposing person"
never understood these Dumb pigeon hole things.
I THINK IM A LIBERAL CONSERVATIVE WHO SUPORTS GREEN PEACE AND VOTES PLAID CYMRU.
So whats this left n right c*ap?
which am i or does it only encasuplate americans?
Nope it's to say that another murderer is to thank because he learned the police enough to catch this murderer. ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Pointless right?
Do you know something else that I've find pointless? It's to even consider that a country owns your country for fighting a war, because it was an earlier alliance, when the stuff happened for more than 200 years ago.
It's to say that that country owes you because that you got involved in the same wars as the first one, because of thier own reasons (in WW1 because the Germans sank everything to Britain, even US passanger ships and in WW2 because of some Japanese bombings, thus dragged into it) and then comment things that have very little with reality to do (in WW1 did Germany declare war on France, because France was an ally to Russia, the French relationship with Serbia had nothing to do with it, the Russian relationship with Serbia however... And the losses (AKA people killed) in both WW:s for the US was about 600k, not even close to a million).
Sure, others have done it to in this thread and I still find it as pointless, but this one was commenting material.
So you're comin around, eh?
I find it compulsively necessary to add that France suffered the largest percentage of population loss, of all the countries involved in World War 1... so, technically, I think we owe them on this one, for not getting involved earlier. ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ironside
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Originally Posted by Xiahou
(Oddly enough, I just saw another Kubrick movie, A Clockwork Orange... man, that guy needs to have his head examined... if he's still alive.)
He died from overexposure to Tom and Nichole. Sad business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
Actually being the pedant that I am, the quote 'It's full of stars' is from 2010 which was dirested by Peter Hyams. Kubrick directed 2001.:hide:Quote:
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Originally Posted by Xiahou
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My God............................
Its full of stars?
(Oddly enough, I just saw another Kubrick movie, A Clockwork Orange... man, that guy needs to have his head examined... if he's still alive.)
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemurmania
Oh and SPAM!
I concur...a spamicide if ever I saw one.
If you believe it's impossible to have freedom of choice if you have justice and equal rights, you're left wingQuote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
If you believe it's impossible to have equal rights and justice if you have freedom of choice and you like war, you're right wing
If none of that applies, if you believe a combination of freedom, equal rights, justice and peace is the way to go, you're all wings at the same time, i.e. common sense ~:)
Great,Quote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
Im none the wizer :)
I was closest to option 3
welcome to the club ~:grouphug: ~:cheers: :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
That would make me all-wings, which I am definitely not... :thinking:Quote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
I could have sworn that line was in 2001... I know it was in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Well, I am about to watch 2001 anyway.
Just to keep the spam level high: I believe the "full of stars" line was in the Asimov book, but not in the film. Then they flogged it to death in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
Dear o dear....Mr. Pedant is coming out to play again. Azimov although an excellent sci-fi authour was nothing to do with this story. 2001/10 comes from an Arthur C Clark short story in one of his anthologies, not Isaac Azimov. Dear o dear....~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemurmania
http://www.clarkefoundation.org/Quote:
"Behind every man now alive stand thirty ghosts, for that is the ratio by which the dead outnumber the living. Since the dawn of time, roughly a hundred billion human beings have walked the planet Earth.
--Now this is an interesting number, for by a curious coincidence there are approximately a hundred billion stars in our local universe, the Milky Way. So for every man who has ever lived, in this universe, there shines a star."
That's right... I wonder if they will ever make 2061 and 3001? The story is long from finished with 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Well, officially both blocks want freedom, justice, equal rights and peace, don't they? ~D ~:joker:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
Joking aside, the left right probably originates from the ancient Greek democracy, where conservatives sat to the right and those wanting renewal sat to the left. It's a quite old concept which IMO can't be applied well to modern politics, but despite that, modern politics is mostly built up around it... I think today both sides want almost the same things, but the main difference is the methods used to get there. The left wing has oddly lost the "freedom" part of "equalité fraternité liberté" lately, which means modern left wing is more of what I described jokingly above, than the last alternative I described above, but true socialism with it's original ideals, is also considered left besides including freedom, which is now considered not a part of the left wing, so you can be left wing if you're socialist, even though modern left wing in many countries unfortunately is more of what I described above and doesn't follow the bottom alternative, but uses the name socialists ~:confused: This confusion is one of the reasons I dislike the ordering of politics into left and right wings in this manner, but I'd probably say I prefer left wing personally, although the party in my own country is hard for me to like. Btw, environmental concerns are not considered parts of either left or right wing with the left right model... ~:handball:
Sorry, got my '50s and '60s prominent SF authors with Really Big Glasses mixed up. Mea maxima culpa.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
To be honest, I just wanted to see which American member would bite first there ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube