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I didn't like his music or politics much, but he seemed like an OK guy and he was friendly to the folks he met and talked to and he was great to his fans. Its a shame that some no name bastard shot him just for his fame. Rest in peace John.
I put this in the backroom because I'm sure there might be some discussion on his politics or fame worship in general.
Music… humm I thought he was an actor. I liked him best in Forest Gump.~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...
Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
You may say Im a dreamer,
but I'm not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will be as one.
Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say Im a dreamer,
but I'm not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
If Chapman had been sane (and a true Beatles fan), he would have shot Yoko that night. The world would have been a much happier place.
I'm sure that was tongue in cheek. No one deserves to be shot just for being annoying.:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
Now if you had said, "If Chapman had been sane (and a true Beatles fan), he would have shot Yoko when John first met her", then i might agree.~D
Would have been nice. Sorry about the original post, should have put a smilie in there. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I place the blame on Yoko with the other band members. They should have sabotaged that relationship as soon as they realized what she was like. ~D
Ugh. Death anniversaries irk me.
John Lennon was infinitely cooler than the guy that shot him. If I was a jury, I would have rejected Chapman's insanity plea and sent his ass straight to the chopping block.
Phew... I'm glad no one mentioned me in this thread... ~:)
Slightly contradictory, BP?
Seconded. Making a big deal out of the death of a famous guy is stupid. On a sode note he would have been 65, an old man. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by NeonGod
Most ok guys don't leave a wife and toddler to shack up with a new chick once they get famous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
i don´t really like his music and he allways struck me as one of those people that tried way to hard to be a hippie.....anyway...RIP.
That's more on the lines of what I really wanted to say, but i was trying to be respectful.~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
That was only a symptom. Lennon was a vain, emotionally empty little man.Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
Meanwhile, back in the sixties, other people were making real music.
Lennon was one of those artists that, whether you loved him or hated him, you knew he was beyond the ordinary. Like Dylan, Sinatra, Elvis, and others.
You can go on and on about how (fill in the blank) they were, but a generation from now, people will still be listening to their music and talking about them, so there must be something special about them.
Probably true, but he was still an egomaniacal arse hole. I won't show people like him respect ever, living or dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
Good call. Sucks to your death anniversary, Lennon.
Yes he needed to be famous to attract such a wonderful woman as Oko, LOL.Quote:
Most ok guys don't leave a wife and toddler to shack up with a new chick once they get famous.
He got married at a very young age.
Emotionally empty . You have got to be kidding, By the way I was a few blocks away the night he was shot. In fact me and my friend had just been pulled over by some cops when they got the call and left us. As a huge Beatle fan I can only say I was in shock when I found out moments later what had happened. John was always my favorite Beatle.Quote:
That was only a symptom. Lennon was a vain, emotionally empty little man.
The guy actually claimed that 'God' instructed him. Also, there are theories abound saying that John Lennon's murder (or assassination) was a result of a conspiracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
One good point is that Chapman met Lennon about 6 hours earlier and asked for an autograph but he didn't kill him.
Did Lennon give the autograph?~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietus
Yes he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
edit: Sorry. The plea was God's decision (his claim) but not the Murder. At least not from what I've read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietus
Guys, you miss the points.
John was a great artist (not only musician) and a great man. He wanted to change the world and did the best he could but he never joined a political party or org. He never was a communist, socialist or whatever. He was always John Lennon, the human being.
He gave us hope and direction - and good rock and roll.
Thank you, John. So sad you left us. We need you more than ever!
NOBODY TOLD ME by John Lennon
Everybody's talking and no one says a word
Everybody's making love and no one really cares
There's Nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs
There's always something happening and nothing going on
There's always something cooking and nothing in the pot
They're starving back in China so finish what you got
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed - most peculiar mama
Everybody's running and no one makes a move
Everyone's a winner and no one seems to lose
There's a little yellow idol to the north of Katmandu
Everybody's flying and no one leaves the ground
Everybody's crying no one makes a sound
There's a place for us in movies you just gotta stay around
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed - most peculiar mama
Everybody's smoking and no one's getting high
Everybody's flying and never touch the sky
There's UFO's over New York and I ain't too surprised
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed - most peculiar mama
I've been wondering what to write in this thread and I've decided that it's best to seem callous than to be a hypocrite so, who cares.
I'm afraid I don't care either. John Lennon and the 60's changed the world, did they?
(Looks around at the world)
:no:
[backroom mode]Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
That bunch of tree hugging hippies probably did more damage to the planet, and to family values than any other generation. Whether you're left or right, hippies suck !
[\backroom mode]
Working class hero is still an excellent song though ~:cheers:
Most likely because he couldn't keep his pecker in his pants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Egomanical was the term I'd choose. John Lennnon onnly cared about the wants and needs of one person, John Lennon. It was always the vibe I got off him in interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
He didn't even look after his own kid, he was too busy screwing around, taking LSD, writing bad songs and sucking up to an Indian in a skirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franconicus
Change the world?
Please... ~:rolleyes:
Meanwhile, back in the sixties, real men were making real music.
wow the idociy in this thread is surprising this man truly defined a generation [IMG]https://img281.imageshack.us/img281/...illiams3zf.jpg[/IMG]
Hank Williams? 'Why don't you all f-f-fade away!'Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
I mean, here is a group of fine young lads who really defined their generation.
Great artists are rarely great people, and people who accomplish great things are usually vain and egotistical.
He made some good music, that's what he'll be remembered for.
You are prick AdrianII. What can I do though, I cannot stop you. I can only join you. Here's the group that defined MY generation:
I beg your pardon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
I have never been a fan of the Beatles. However, I can say that, whilst Van Morrison and the Rolling Stones were making unlistenable trash (I would still choose the Beatles over the *shudder* Stones any day), OTHER people were making good music. People such as
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and
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also
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not to mention
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but, most of all,
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The Voodoo Child. He will be missed.
Also, John Lennon, however much you may hate him, was not an evil man. Besides, he was shot. Show some respect for the dead. Hell, I don't like him, but I will still show a little respect.
WOW ~:eek: !! This is great...I mean when somebody dies (here at least) people only sais good things about him, no matter his mistakes.
It's funny to look at an aniversary thread degenerate into criticism and flames.
Yeah... I should calm down about this. :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
But I AM going to leave my post up, so that people can see what good music was all about during the 60's... actually, that was what I was really pissed about- Adrian referring to the Stones and Van Morrison as good music. Ech. :tongue:
You should have been here when Jacques Derrida or Yasser Arafat died. There was little sympathy shown, no quarter given. This is the backroom, Soulforged. If you can't stand the heat...Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
Oh, and I totally agree that Hendrix was a great musician. I was going to mention him next as one who made real music in the 60's.
At least you weren't 'fab'... :charge:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
'ello, Nail. Meet my friend, Hammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Wow, who are all those medieval musicians in those black-and-white pictures?
And who is that Lennon-guy?
Apart from their excellent music (although these days I'd wish they would disappear into the sunset with their wheelchairs and zimmer frames) there is an honest quality about them. Unlike in a guy like Lennon with all his self-involvement and intellectual pretense, what you see of The Stones is what you get. Bastards to a tee, all of them, but honest bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
~:cool:
Well, they all had different names and styles, but what united them was that they played musical instruments. A musical instrument -- unlike your modern rhythm box with on/off switch and menu for slow, fast and annoyingly persistent boom-boom -- is a device used to produce tones in accordance to preconceived notions of harmony. They used to play these with their hands, feet (Townsend) or teeth (Hendrix). Funny stuff, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis IV the Fat
Dunno, he never belonged to them. ~:handball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis IV the Fat
Well, there is a difference between John Lennon and a filthy terrorist bastard like Arafat, even you have to agree with me on this, but then again...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
:stunned: *erk* :skull:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis IV the Fat
Just some Nobodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis IV the Fat
see now thats just sad. A bunch of homos who scream the definig band. Thank god for country and bluegrass and TEXASQuote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
See what I mean, Soulforged?Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Thanks for the object lesson, Dave. ~;)
Yup, I'll take the Bluegrass Clodhoppers over Manson anytime. ~:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
Yeehaw!
Oh but I can...that's what I said this was funny. However you'll have to agree that this is an aniversary thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
If you want criticism then I shall say to you that the best band of those times was Deep Purple, by a long shot, that improvised song...I think it was "Speed King", WOW, I mean I've seen actors improvise, but musicians, at that level?~:eek:
Is there? No seriously...~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
*pictures Arafat playing the ukulele*
This is the biggest load of crap ever posted on these boards. Lennons big care was for humanity. He cared for everyone in fact it seeemed to be his purpose in life to try to make things better for the average man. Just listen to the lyrics of his songs. There wasnt a more caring man on the face of the earth.Quote:
Egomanical was the term I'd choose. John Lennnon onnly cared about the wants and needs of one person, John Lennon. It was always the vibe I got off him in interviews.
Some people here should be ashamed . Bashing a man who cared so much for humanity and gave us the greatest music in the history of the world.
Yes the kid grew up poor and neglected. How about all of Jaggers kids? Is there even a counting of them and the women who had them? The guy was a friggin mucscian during the 60s. They all more women than they knew what to do with.Quote:
He didn't even look after his own kid,
Bad songs? And what Indian is this? The beatles are the greateest group in history and Lennon was their leader. If not for the Beatles many of the groupd you mentioned may well never have made it. You really need some musical history lessons here. The Beatles were musical geniuses and are compared today to Beethoven and other great classical composers. Many of you here it seems lack class and taste. Other than that I love all the other groups you mentioned but they dont hold a candle to the Beatles.Quote:
he was too busy screwing around, taking LSD, writing bad songs and sucking up to an Indian in a skirt.
Change the world?
Please...
Meanwhile, back in the sixties, real men were making real music.
WOW, you really hate talent don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
You are sad. First Lennon and now M.Manson. Who's next ? Elvis?
This whole thread has me humming Don MacLean's signature song. ~:rolleyes:
Thanks a lot...now I'll never get to sleep you collective pack of twerps!
~;) D
John, RIP. While I hate Yoko, he was a great enough guy to get around the fact, and his music is incredible. I just hope people will realize what a great musician he was and stop listening to evil music...
~:grouphug:
Unfreakingbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Alot of people care about alot of things. If I don't agree with the second part of your statement, why would I care about the first? I personally would rather listen to a guitar being hit with a cat than to the Beatles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
So Mick is being used as the standard role model for fathers these days? At least Jagger wasn't sanctimonous about his role. Sheesh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I don't understand how someone like you could get so emotionally charged over something so obviously subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
This reminds me of all the imbeciles in my middle school who wore black for months after Kurt Cobain died. Yeah, Teen Spirit was catchy, but so is Sherri Lewis's Song That Never Ends.
If you liked his music, say you like his music. Let's not pretend this is the anniversary of Mother Theresa's death.
Cobain didn't help folks. Lennon did. So did Harrison, with his Concert for Bangladesh. I fail to see how it is so alien for you people to realize that musicians can help, and many do.
Damn it, you've made me return to the backroom. I thought I had escaped... ~:mecry:
They didn't. And even if they did, he wouldn't be a sanctimonious closet revolutionary about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
My, I can see you know your classics. Ever heard of the Mahareshi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
So is 50 cent, depending on who you believe. ~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
You better freakinbelieve it, my lady, Lennon liked to think he was more popular than Jezus... BTW I see we simultaneously used the word sanctifreakinmonious whilst opposing Jagger to Lennon. ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
I was about to type the same before I read this. Pretentious seemed to carry too little weight for a musician with this ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
If you'll excuse me, I have to go calm myself down with Chopin's nocturne op.55 (personal favorite) and another shot of Patron.
Musicians don't "help", they just manipulate others in to "helping". It's called the power of celebrity. Also Cobain killed himself/was murdered before he was 30, where as Lennon was 40 when he died. Cobain never had a chance to get to 30 and start to evalutate his life the way Lennon did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
I never really disliked the beatles or Lennons music. What turns me off is the personalities, especially Lennons. He was an asshole, his bigger than Jesus crack was his assholery showing through. Ever see the clip of his apology, his tone and body language are of a man who really didn't want to do it. And that though his remark was nothing.
I am so sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Speaking of Elvis, yeah, I love the old Elvis when he was mean and lean and... clean. Did you ever hear his Devil in disguise or Guitar Man? The intense energy he exudes, and passes on to his band.
:bow:
May I suggest the 3rd part of Dvorak's 8th Symphony for further restoration of one's inner peace? The Allegretto grazioso. Nearly made me cry the day before yesterday. Just a waltz, but so. freakin. perfect. Me big lump in throat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Lennon's music is sure great.
Lennon's better than McCartney, Prince, Stevie Wonder and just slightly over Marvin Gaye.
Lennon's equal to Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, EWF, and Fela Kuti
Although still short of my favorites.
Anyway, the Chapman guy got his autograph then he killed him 6 hours later but didn't flee.
You're welcome...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
I come back from a trip to Seattle, and I can't believe what I'm reading here. I showed more respect for that bastard Reagan at his death than most of you are showing for Lennon now. Unbelievable.
This is one of those rare circumstances when I'm going to side with Gawain.
From what I'm reading, most of you know very little about John Lennon, and your opinions don't count for much. It's true about some of the faults you listed, but your attacks were much stronger than he deserved.
While I'm at it, I support Yoko as well. I'm not sure I would like her in person, but I don't blame her for the breakup of the Beatles, and I don't think she's "evil".
So many of you have no idea what world Lennon came out of. He grew up in a sad, drab, twisted society, the same one that produced Roger Waters. His parents both abandoned him. He spoke for the other young people who grew up in that era, the victims of neglecting or over-restrictive parents and a repressive society.
He faced his faults and made strides to rid himself of them. He was evolving into an extremely devoted father with Sean in the years before his death. He was maturing into a very good man. I respect anyone who goes through pain to rid themselves of their old demons.
Shame on you people who bad mouth him out of your own ignorance. I could say equally bad things about almost all the other musicians you have mentioned.
By the way, the musical world disagrees with you as well. The music of Lennon and McCartney is considered the work of geniuses, only rivaled by Dylan in that era. There are university courses built around studying their work.
I didn't say anything about that idiot Regan when he died, I didn't care. Lennon is an ass who was undeserving of all the abulation he gets to this day. I don't believe in not speaking ill of the dead, they don't care there dead.
In my last year of high school (that would have been '00) there was a girl in my class who still wore a Nirvana T shirt everyday, and wrote poetry, about Cobain, and once showed a documentary about his death for some project...Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Cobain worship has put me off of idol worship for good.
Neglecting or over-restrictive parents?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
I may have a better idea than you. Lennon grew up in Mendips among doctors and lawyers. Yoko recently bought that old house because John claimed that it had been his only real home throughout his life. His aunt Mimi and uncle George took care of him very well and the relationship with his mother, who did not abandon him but took rather good care of him, was excellent. She was actually the first who taught him how to play the banjo. His father was a dead-beat Dad, but John did not grow up in a drab, twisted atmosphere; he was better off than the other three.
"I was a nice, cleancut suburban boy, and in the class system I was about a half an inch in a higher class than Paul, George and Ringo, who lived in subsidized government houses. We owned our own house, had our own garden. They didn't have anything like that. So, I was a bit of a fruit compared to them in a way."Apart from which, I think you missed Proletariat's reference to Yoko's most famous 'Painting to hammer a Nail'. Just as Gawain apparently missed the entire Mahareshi episode; John literally left Cynthia behind on a train station in Wales as he and the others went off to see the fat man. My dislike for The Beatles is not rooted in lack of knowledge about them, or in a dislike of rock music, blues or soul, something I tried to demonstrate by posting pics of other, superior bands and musicians.
John Lennon in Imagine John LennonConsidered by whom? That would be the old fallacy, the 'appeal to authority'. There are courses built around all sorts of nonsense. I would rather take a degree in astrology, so sorry. If pushed, I could write a thesis on musical genius about Elvis or Van the Man. About Lennon -- not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
Many people receive more adulation than they deserve, it's called the history of society. The process is very simple, do something new, not very good, but just original, make it public, keep on feeding in the same BS, and in years you're respected by everybody, they follow your gossip and they even praise to you. Later the propaganda closes the job. It happened many times really, but with Lennon who cares? Really.Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
I still agree with Tachikaze in one point, if you don't have nothing good to say then don't start an aniversary thread or don't enter the thread once started...or don't put it in the Backroom.
Yah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
If this thread had been in the Frontroom, I would merely have written that Sergeant Pepper's has an intro that rocks. Since this is the Backroom, let me add that it is the only Beatles piece that does... ~D
You don't even like Hey Jude or Yesterday even a tiny bit ?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Fool on the Hill is, um, singeable. I will grant you that. ~:handball:Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
At the same point that the Beatles aquired undeserved fame, a lot of bands did a better job and only achieved honorific prizes. Now the themes from the Beatles are not that bad, but they're not great...they're called rock n' roll with out rocking anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Good idea. Let's call their music 'Roll'. Just like that. As in:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
"Well, Bob, that's a generational thing. I've always been into popular music, you know, Andy Williams, Mantovani, Roll..."
Excuse me but I must post this:
Take on Me
Can't Touch Me
This Rocks them all!!
This are links...I've to clearify with this new interface.
Hows that. Someone mentioned he had his head up some Indians skirt? I should figure thats what their talking about?Quote:
Just as Gawain apparently missed the entire Mahareshi episode
In this case its the opposite. It seems the younger generation has no idea of what the 60s were really like and how much the Beatles meant to our generation. 40 years after their break up they still hold just about every sales record. In rock theres the Beatles and then theres everybody else. They stand head and shoulders above the rest. No one has ever disputed their place in music other than a few nitwits on these boards.Quote:
Many people receive more adulation than they deserve, it's called the history of society
That's because it is and always has been easy listening, every housewife's safe choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can lie that can't be told.
Nothing you can do that can't be sold... :san_rolleyes:
Damnit, Gawain, just because I have different taste than you do doesn't make me wrong. It doesn't make me right, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I will not lie to you. I cannot see the appeal in the Beatles. However, I cannot see the appeal in any record produced after 1979, either (with the possible exception of the Beastie boys, the only psychedelic rap group in history.) It is all a question of taste. The majority of people prefer certain kinds of music for certain reasons.
As for their place in history, that is highly subjective. In my opinion, Pink Floyd was a lot better than the Beatles, especially under Syd Barrett, becuase they were a lot more psychedelic. I also would argue that Hendrix had a lot more influence on modern music than the Beatles- he reinvented the way in which the electric guitar was used. The Beatles were just really popular. And don't give me that "on par with the classics" crap- have you ever heard "Echoes"?
So open your eyes and don't try to put the Beatles above everybody else, just because they were so damn popular. Real musical influence and meaning don't come from incredible sales records and popularity alone.
I think the 60s produced the most degenerate generation bestowed on America. Thanks to you guys, we now have women breast feeding in public, boca burgers and 'Happy Holidays!' instead of 'Merry Christmas'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Once again, if you like his music, fine. Go ahead and listen to elevator music. But your arguments here have been ridiculous so far.
'Everyone likes them except you idiots!' and
'They used to rewl!'
These points could be used to defend that song about humps and lady lumps that's so popular right now.
Can we stop putting musicians and artists on these ridiculous pedestals? They're singers, for God's sake. You don't ever hear this foolishness about CEOs or entrepreneurs.
Btw, I'm loving the new smiley set.
:san_laugh: :san_lipsrsealed: :san_kiss: :san_kiss: :san_kiss: :san_smiley: :san_shocked:
Those christmas smilies scare me. :hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat