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Peace activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested on a charge that could lead to a year in jail.
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Peace. Haha, I love cnn!Quote:
Peace activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested on a charge that could lead to a year in jail.
Well she is... Just Not a very good one and she is to the dems what good ol pat is to the republicansQuote:
Originally Posted by ghost908
She is a tool. I hope she has to go to jail.
I guess peace is relative. I honestly think she's doing more harm then good. Kind of funny that she suddenly turned pro peace when her son was killed. Wants to put the blame on someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
The bottom line for me is her son joined the milatary and seemed to know what he was getting into. Its not like this thing came out of left feild she didnt wake up one morning and read the fine print. Its like your son being a firefighter and then when he does you sue the depatment. She has grief and shes angry but she has misplaced it all and lost any shred of sympathy orcredibality.
Plus she's an attention... you know...
She really likes attention, in a gratifying manner, I think.:sweatdrop:
I used to despise Cindy Sheehan because she embraced the media machine that used her as a tool to play politics with grief. She disgusted me because she has no real intelligence, no real talent, no real solutions. She is a creation of the media who ended up enjoying the warm light of flashbulbs and spotlights. I didn't know who was worse: The media for creating the monster, or the monster for loving the media.
Now I love Cindy Sheehan. Her antics are destructive to the media and to the political machinations that have embraced her self-promotion.
Cindy Sheehan is everything that the average American fears from the screaming liberal fringe of American society.
Thank you congresswoman, for inviting Cindy to the State of the Union where she would again, predictably, demand the media's attention once again.
In this instance, Cindy stole the Democrats "rebuttal" and robbed them of a chance to introduce their new favorite son. He spoke of a "better way". She rolled out a giant anti-war banner.
Maybe she is a Republican agent in disguise?:2thumbsup:
Is it just me or that guy's voice is incredibly, for a lack of better word, squeamishly "soft?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
The guy seems to be advocating nonpartisanship all the way, and an alternative way to the Republicans. Quite a wise move, I'd say, save for the fact that Mrs. I-can't-get-enough-spotlight-for-my-dead-son's-cold-body takes away all the audience. :no:
I'd rather have a candidate with MLK's voice, lol. Speechs would be more fun. Bush's is no better, either. The 51 minutes State of the Union is the most boring show in the entire cable -- counting Reality Shows (tm).
Wait, so its not allowed to have anti-war t-shirts? Freedom my ass.
Dont get me wrong, she's aint my favorite person, but what would the bushites gain her being tossed in jail... from there she will be more of a marter then anything ells.
That pretty msums up my view too. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazul
Clearly I'm no leftist, yet that was my immediate reaction watching the news on CNBC over coffee this morning... WTF ~:confused: Unless the t-shirt had obsceneties on it, I fail to see how they could arrest her for wearing it. Not sure who looks worse in this exchange...
Kaine's vocal style is the antithesis of Governor Dean. While he's been teh governor here in the Old Dominion for less than 3 weeks -- hardly enough time to sense how he'll handle things -- he did defeat a classic Republican candidate in a solidly Republican state. Very few people are good enough on the podium to pull off a high-energy style like MLK and seem natural doing so.
Sheehan is a convert to peacenikism and is preaching with all of the passion of a convert. I cannot know how I would respond to the untimely death of my child in a war I didn't understand, so I'll refrain from judging her.
Her counterpoint to Kaine's efforts, however, are quite symptomatic of the Democrat problem. They are of two minds, and do not seem to be able to build a coalition (or pick a single philosophical theme) between the passions of their extreme wing and the goals of their more centrist elements. Hard to seem them doing well nationally while they are a political Sybil.
51 minutes!:wall: I abhore SOU's! I DREAM of a prez who'll talk for 20 minutes on 3 things and send the rest to Congress in a published letter.
It was more than a t-shirt, she also tried to unfurl a banner and hang it over the balcony. You're not supposed to have shirts/signs/whatever that say anything. You're supposed to shutup, listen, and not make a spectacle of yourself. She was free to join the protests outside with the others if she wanted to. Can you imagine what a circus it'd be if every jerk with an axe to grind was allowed to protest in the gallery?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazul
She's gotta be so pleased with herself now, getting arrested has got her plastered all over the news again- no doubt her intention.
In this country, you get taken away and put in jail for maximum one day. Maybe you get a fine for disturbing the peace, but I doubt it. You don't get 1 year for expressing an opinion in a non-violent manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
The first amendment protects 'fake' kiddie porn but not wearing a T shirt or flying a banner ?
BTW this isn't about a left vs right debate, if someone was wearing a T shirt saying 'support the troops' in a peace rally, it would be their right too.
Thank you Don for being the voice of reason here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
No matter what you think of Sheehan, when you have a government that starts arresting people because they disagree with the t-shirt they are wearing, you should really start to get a little scared.
Or can I assume then, that if the Democrats are in power, they will be well within their rights to arrest people for wearing shirts that say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people?"
Why was she arrested for wearing a tshirt? Surely that should be upheld as a fine example of the liberty Bush is so keen to talk about?
Britain had its 100th combat death recently, and they interviewed some of the soldier's mothers on the radio. "I was really angry but now I realise that for him we need to help the Iraqis have peace."
I think our tools are used much better than your tools.
Can't have political messages in there on shirts or posters. One congreemans wife was ejected for a support the troops shirt as well
Quite true, MRD.
How'd Ms. Sheehan end up arrested?
I understand she was asked to leave, as was the Congressman's spouse (I assume they could have returned having excused themselves and turned the shirts inside out) as any sloganeering in the gallery is prohibited (by House rules if I recall).
Did she truly try to throw out a banner and was that it?
I heard that little interview... moving...Quote:
Originally Posted by BDC
But not all mothers are like this. Rose Gentle, the mother of a Royal Highland Fusilier who died, I believe, has met with this Sheehan woman on several occassions and has much a similar approach. She complained her son had not been given enough training, even though he had been in the Army for a year and completed all the training courses...
I havent seen anything about a banner, just that it was a shirt about dead troops asking "homw many more" or something. Regardless, places like the house chambers, and court houses, etc can make their own rules about appropriate attire, although there is an old supreme court case where a guy wore a shirt to jury duty that said "Fk the draft" and the judge had him arrested. In that case, he was arrested becuase of the message, not because the court had a no message policy -- in this case it didn't.
My county court doesn't allow shorts or tank tops or ball caps and you will be sent home and fined if you show up like that. Can't speak for any federal courts, but I'm sure similar rules are in place there as well as the supreme court.
I'm not saying I like limiting free speech on government property, but it is within the law. That is why presidents often make appearances in places where people won't be allowed to protest. It's a little discerning these days that cities pass ordinances requiring permits to march, or the person who is gonna get protested sets up a 20X20 "freee speech zone" to comply with protesztors, or the idea of being a disruptive protestor has gone from blocking traffic and hurting commerce to just "being loud"
Anyway, the rules were in place before last night. People were removed during Clintons speeches as well.
Oh give me a break. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
You act like Bush pointed her out and said "seize her" to the Secret Service, when it's standard procedure. It was handled by the gallery stewards.
If they were displaying them in the capitol building gallery and refused requests to leave? You bet they would. During the impeachment hearings, people were ejected for wearing anti-Clinton shirts.Quote:
Or can I assume then, that if the Democrats are in power, they will be well within their rights to arrest people for wearing shirts that say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people?"
She's not going to get a year- that's more media sensationalism. I'd be surprised if she gets a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
HOUSE RULES STATE NO SHIRTS WITH POLITICAL MESSAGES OF ANY KIND. PERIOD. THIS IS A DEAD ISSUE.
If you want to whine about free speech being limited there are plenty of other cases, especially with Bush, where peoples views were squelched thanks to clever city ordinances and strategic location of the speaker. This was a common thing with Clinton as well.
This is not the white horse to start your crusade for freedom of speech. she broke a rule. she knew better
Although I can't stand her and have never liked the way I feel that she disrespects what her son did arresting her was wrong. I can understand if she was removed from the premises but arresting her is overboard.
My understanding is that she was only arrested after refusing requests to leave. Honestly, who are we kidding? Her whole intention was to get arrested- she wouldn't have settled for anything less. And it's paid off for her too, she's back in the headlines again. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by spmetla
15 min 30 sec...Maybe something's wrong with my watch :smash: .
There were stop the war people in town here!
Sick people. Using the death of the hundredth volunteer soldier for their own reasons.
I'm not even sure what they are protesting for. We're stuck there until the mess is sorted out. It's just like a general "we don't like Blair" protest.
It was more than a t-shirt, she also tried to unfurl a banner and hang it over the balcony
Have you a link to the banner bit , none of the sources I have viewed mention it at all ?
After the may 3rd 1999 tornado that did half a billion dollars damage to oklahoma city, Bill Clinton came to town to give a speech since it was declared a disaster zone.
In one of the neighborhoods where all the houses had been leveled and facing a portion of Tinker Air Base where Clinton would be speaking, a man painted on the only remaining standing wall of his house "Hey President Clinton, how's this for a blow job?"
He got a visit from 3 SS agents
The Secret Service insisted that it be covered or removed, and told the home owner they would find something to charge him with, like disturbing the peace or indecency if he didn't. Keep in mind this was private property, where about 100 yards to the east was the building where Clinton would be, with a 6 lane city street and a 20 foot tall chain link barbed fence in between.
He complied.
Hmm, initial reports on CNN spoke of a banner. Also, I saw Kate Bailey Hutchison talk about Sheehan using a banner during an interview this morning and figured it was credible since she was actually there. But, they seem to be talking only about a t-shirt now....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
No matter, Tshirts with slogans have long been banned and gotten people on both ends of the spectrum thrown out, so apparently that's enough.
So I couldn't wear my "I support Single Moms" shirt with a silhoutte of a stripper on a pole?
My mistake. I jumped on this one without fully looking at what was going on. I was actually under the impression that it had taken place more or less like you described above (i.e. the "seize her" scanario, which, by the way, makes me giggle picturing such a scene now. I've always wanted a job where I could actually give the order to "seize" somebody, I think that would be extremely fun.:laugh4: But I digress.). I didn't realize she was merely being ejected for breaking house rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Please disregard my earlier not-so-righteous indignation.
:shame:
...and stroke a white cat ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
Dude, get out of my head...Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Hmm, initial reports on CNN spoke of a banner.
Hmmmmm...initial reports again Xiahou :oops: :no:
What's your point? It changes nothing- she was rightly thrown out regardless. Are you suggesting that I just made up the banner accounts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
These days, any excuse is good to start a crusade for freedom of speech. But you're right, if the whole jail-sentence thing is just media hype, then this isn't the best case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
Now, the Danes, they seem to have created a nice starting point for a crusade :charge:
What's your point?
Its quite simple .....
oh look she got thrown out for a t-shirt .....
a t-shirt is against the rules so she deserved it .....
yeah but still , its only a t-shirt .....
It was more than a t-shirt, she also tried to unfurl a banner and hang it over the balcony.
Hmmmm, upping the ante , without checking the accuracy of the source .:oops:
BTW any update on those initial reports of the senior Al-qaida terrorists that were killed in Pakistan~;)
No the reports are still the same today as then- same names and Pakistanis are still trying to identify bodies. Not sure what this has to do with the topic other than you being petty and childish though. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Not sure what this has to do with the topic other than you being petty and childish though.
Well thats easy , Sheehan can make a fool of herself well enough as it is , why put in things to try and make her out to be a bigger idiot without checking if it is true first.
Oh and BTW , the reports are still the same , they havn't got a clue as to who was there . Well , according to yesterdays statements .
Edit to add Pakistanis are still trying to identify bodies. Ah , bit of a problem there as they have identified all the bodies that they have .
Im curious as to what 'checking' you would like someone to do before they post something? Should I call her up and ask if she had a banner before I pass it along on a gaming forum? I posted the comment this morning minutes after listening to an eyewitness say Sheehan unfurled a banner and after it was reported on CNN. Later, you ask for links and I looked into the story again- they dont exist anymore -and I readily admit that the media has backed away from the banner claim. Im still not sure what point you're trying to make with all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
In other news, Capitol police have apologized to both Sheehan and the wife of Rep. Bill Young and dropped the charges against Sheehan.
link
Im curious as to what 'checking' you would like someone to do before they post something?
Well since she would have been searched upon entering ,then what sort of banner could she have had ?
Since she was removed from where she was allocated a seat which was not at the front of the balcony then how could she have unfurled it over the balcony ?
wether she had a banner or not is irrelavent, these events have a dress code involved, if you want to go, adhere to the dress code, from what i read she was asked to leave, along with some others for failing to adhere to the dress code, she refused in which case she was arrested, btw i read today the charges have been dropped. next time i suggest she get here evening gown and have her message embedded on the gown itself, then she can at least say she was dressed properly for the occasion.
Liberal, but I want her to go to jail...
Look at my title! I'm ghost's girlfriend!:laugh4:
EDIT:...whore
https://i1.tinypic.com/n1ytch.jpg
I'd think a little before making something like that my custom title.
yes soly I sold him for 10$ and some absthine:laugh4:
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by solypsist
@ SFTS:
Sucker, coulda gotten $20 off of me. :laugh4:
Nah, it's an inside joke. I would explain it, but it's kind of personal. I added joke to the title...Quote:
Originally Posted by solypsist
:laugh4:
Sounds very personal. :/
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Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
we know:laugh4:
It's personal for him. It has to do with him and his real girlfriend...
We live hundred of miles away for gods sakes, you sick people!:laugh4:
Do we need to add a "Darkroom" to the Tavern-forum? :inquisitive:
Close to the topic but maybe a little off topic, I bet this gals isn't what you called "well groomed". If she hates "Bush" so much, maybe she should something about it, if you know what I mean. :laugh4:
Interestingly, people have been tossed out of the gallery and arrested for wearing 'support the troops' t-shirts as well as anti-Clinton t-shirts during his impeachment trial.
All in all, I think it's ludicrous. Talking or unfurling a banner is disruptive. Wearing a t-shirt on the other hand... I just don't get it.
I can bet that wearing a T-shirt was just the beginning for this media whore. They took a preemptive action against her. She would have been more disruptive as soon as the President started speaking. Its unfortunate that slimey piece of scum such as herself was allowed in there when there are many more Americans more deserving to be in there than her.:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Now I finally understand her
That's what I'm here for, to provide detailed insights to the inner workings of the human being.:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
I can bet that wearing a T-shirt was just the beginning for this media whore.
Yeah Dave , after showing the T-shirt she was planning to write "this war is bollox" 100 times in big letters on the walls of the hall , followed by a removal of the offending T-shirt to reveal a tatoo of Bush screwing America .
To finish the spectacle she was going to do a live sex show on the podium with a donkey and an elephant just to prove her bi-partisan approach .
Its unfortunate that slimey piece of scum such as herself was allowed in there when there are many more Americans more deserving to be in there than her
Freedom and equality eh ~:rolleyes:
Freedom of speech sure, but she has no right to disrupt the State of the Union because she hates Bush. She would have started yelling and acting like your typical leftist moron, like the ones outside the building banging pots and pans to disrupt the speech. There were rules for EVERYONE that attended the speech and she didn't follow them. Its unfortunate that the guard didn't put a crack in her skull with his billy club when she started complaining about how she was being handled. It would have been a win-win situation for people on both side. The right would have enjoyed seeing her get what she deserves for being a traitorous twat, and the left would have been happy so they could play the victim, like always. And most importantly she could enter her 17th minute of fame.:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
The problem that this underlines to me is not Sheehan or whether she was breaking rules. The issue is more general to me. This is another example of how politicans in office are isolated from the people who disagree with them. The situation is that you can hold protests as long as the people who need to see them are kept ignorant of them.
Maybe we can't have protesting that disrupts a State of the Union speech. But restricting popular outcry is a common practice wherever the president appears. The places are packed with hand-picked people who cheer support.
I personally watched this happen when Arnold Schwartzenegger spoke in San Diego.
Freedom of speech sure, but she has no right to disrupt the State of the Union because she hates Bush. She would have started yelling and acting like your typical leftist moron,
Would she ? or is that just a guess .
If it is just a guess then it is about as credible as the elephant and donkey show isn't it .
So stick with the depraved sex show , its a more entertaining scenario .
Yes, but all of the attendees get the pleasure of seeing the protestors while entering/exiting the venue dont they? Unless they're all coralled in a box under an overpass like they were for the Democratic convention....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
Protestors can't be allowed to disrupt meetings or bar people from attending. But there are times when people go too far in restricting them.
Baaaziiiinnnng!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Maybe so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
When I worked on the Hill in the Summer/Fall of 1986, the rules for the gallery were:
Shirt & Shoes required, sit down, be quiet. Anyone disturbing ws asked to leave (and could get arrested if they resisted/thre things etc.) Folks wearing outfits with open mid-riffs etc. were asked to cover up or not go in while the Senate/House was in session. I was not aware of a no slogans rule, but there may well be one.
As to insulating politicos from criticism, its a tough but valid point. If they listen to all the criticism or look into every protest, they will accomplish ZERO. If they ignore it all, they risk losing touch.
Does anyone here think she would sit quietly and watch the speech? Is there any doubt that this woman would not scream and wail halfway into the speech? She would end up in the friggin history books if she did that!
I agreewith this: The authorities launched a pre-emptive strike against a known threat to the peace who was armed with weapons of mass retardation. A domestic terrorist hellbent on mediofacism. She has one aim and one aim alone: complete... and... total.... domination... (of the spotlight).:laugh4: