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Well isn't this nice. There is no way that this can be seen as contructed for kids. Children at such a young age should not be taught by the mentally ill. Sickening....
Not only are the homos trying to recruit at earlier age now the gender comfused have a foothold in the public schools. Thank God my kids will be going to private school.
Have you considered home schooling ? They say it isn't just for religious wacko's anymore, but don't let that stop you ! :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I don't see a single mention of her being mentally ill. As for her teaching your children maybe she'll teach them to be a bit more tollerant to new idea's, and different people, maybe they wont overreact and lynch the first gay person they see. Seriously there's nothing wrong with it, children are quite accepting and wont realize anything is wrong with her. Really and there's nothing wrong with this in the first place unless you believe religion and state shouldnt be seperated.Quote:
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Well isn't this nice. There is no way that this can be seen as contructed for kids. Children at such a young age should not be taught by the mentally ill. Sickening....
Not only are the homos trying to recruit at earlier age now the gender comfused have a foothold in the public schools. Thank God my kids will be going to private school.
Calvert School out of Baltamore is an excelent program if you do home school.
On topic, odd. It's ok if he doesn't go on on how great having a sex change is. Probably should mention that sex changes are only a good idea if you have sever issues.
Love how she says 'democracy in action' was 'magnificent'. She would be moaning and complaining if it were the other way, probably.
I find it genuinely amusing how much this bugs you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
:laugh4:
Another thing that tickled my funny bone about this story was this:
If I had that guy's name (not to mention his out of whack view of the world), I'd never be able to introduce myself to anybody with a straight face.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Article
I don't see anything wrong as long as the teacher does not indoctrinate the children for her/his cause. By taking the job, however, s/he is putting him/herself up for whatever stick the pupils may give. The same goes for Gay people -- there are several gay teachers (it is up to the pupils to figure out who, though, no-one tells us) at my school. So long as they are not camp and too effeminate, then it is fine.
"Despite criticism from parents, the school board on Monday stood by its decision to allow McBeth to resume working as a substitute teacher." (from the article)
Good for the school board! Occasionally, I see hope for the US.
I'd rather the children were taught tolerance and broad perspective than to have a parent teach them to call homosexuals "homos" and transsexuals "freaks".
in before teh requisite YTMND links.
This is disgusting , 71 years old and still working .
Must have blown the pension fund on the operation .
I find it genuinely amusing how much this bugs you.
Well Goof if you look at this bit.....Not only are the homos trying to recruit at earlier age
I never knew they were recruited , does this mean Dave signed up for the wrong outfit by mistake when he joined the airforce ?
You know what they say about those that shout loudest against things .~;)
Thank God my kids will be going to private school.
Have you considered sending them to military school , I believe the Airbourne are offering special video production studies in their new curriculum .:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
I wonder who "recruited" their latest film stars .:director: :cheerleader:
I for one would hate if I'd have to explain to my kids that because some people can't accept the way they were born, they have doctors cut off their johnson and their bodies mutilated to make them look female.
But I guess that I'm just a bigoted primitive, and that it's a good thing to let in our kids on the full spectrum of colorfull minds that we tolerate in our societies :inquisitive:
I don't mind homosexual people, they can teach kids as far as I'm concerned (and explaining homosexuality should have a proper place in sex ed, once they're old enough)
As far as I'm concerned gender changes are unnatural (and I challenge you to argue against that!) and frankly, an obscenity. If people want to mutilate themselves, to each his own I guess but I don't want them near my children at an early age.
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
And before I say anything else: this man has just as much right to teach as anyone else. Personally, I think there are much bigger "freaks" out there, pedophiles for example.
Now that that's out of the way: sex changes in general freak me out. I mean, I will be tolerant of them, but of all the things you can do to yourself...
Why would you hate to have to explain that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
I wouldn't say you're a bigoted primitive. You're just a normal human being who has normal aversions to things that society has always told you are "gross" or "freaky." But by keeping an open mind to things/people/ideas that differ from our views of the "norm" and by applying critical thinking to our own prejudices, we can often overcome our pre-programmed responses and live richer lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
And I'm happy to hear you say that, as it confirms to me that you are willing to engage in the process I described above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
Of course gender changes are "unnatural." But that word really means nothing. Any medical modifications we do to our bodies are "unnatural." Here are some other things:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
Organ transplants
Vasectomies
Hip replacements
Cosmetic surgery
Are all of those things "obscenities" as well?
Is it the mutilation you have a problem with generally, or is it specifically the mutilation of penises/vaginas that in your view disqualifies a person from teaching school?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
I hear ya. Personally, I'd say you're mental if you were born as one sex and then decide one day you'd rather be another. These people should be counseled, not operated on. People need to accept themselves for who they are and be comfortable with that. That's just my 2 cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
Yeah right, more like strongarm lawyer tactics in action. :wink:Quote:
"It was magnificent," McBeth said afterward. "You saw democracy in action."
Well, I suppose I can support the school board allowing shim to continue teaching, as long as they don't *gasp* allow shim to fill those impressionable children's heads with stories of evolution! ~;)
I'm actually not sure how to feel about this one, personally, and so I'm kind of glad that it's someone else's problem. Anyhow, I think Kansas has a little something to learn from the schoolboards in Pennsylvania/New Jersey.
Ajax
You could explain them instead that some people have a rare disease with the name gender dysphoria for which the only cure is a sex change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
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I don't mind homosexual people, they can teach kids as far as I'm concerned (and explaining homosexuality should have a proper place in sex ed, once they're old enough)
As far as I'm concerned gender changes are unnatural (and I challenge you to argue against that!) and frankly, an obscenity. If people want to mutilate themselves, to each his own I guess but I don't want them near my children at an early age.
All surgical operations are unnatural. Unfortunately (especially for the involved) they are often the only way to treat diseases. Gender dysphoria is such a case.
And please explain me what this has to do with homosexuals?
If you had a third leg, wouldn't you want it to be cut off? If you would wake up tomorrow with your body being female, wouldn't you want to have your male parts back?Quote:
Now that that's out of the way: sex changes in general freak me out. I mean, I will be tolerant of them, but of all the things you can do to yourself...
This person has felt female her whole life. Just her body was awfully wrong.
Just a question, Dave would you have been fine if she hadn't had a sex change (and thus remaining mentally ill) instead of getting herself cured? Are we to keep mentally ill people out of the range of young children for their entire life (independent of treatment)? Considered that up to 30% of people will develope a mental illness at least once in their life, that would make a fine society. And what precisely is the danger anyway? That she will encourage children to be unhappy with their biological sex?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
Nice way to speak about mentally ill people BTW. Can we expect your next thread about a member of an ethnic minority to include any funny names as well?
As long as he do what he`s supposed to do, then there is, of course no problems with this.
does this remind anyone else of South Park?
And Chef would be the one to explain the situation to the children. He could start by singing them a song about a time he was "making sweet, sweet love to his woman."Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
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Finally, my feeling about the issue has been described with words.Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
It's called mentally ill, not "mental". And counseling them has been tried for decades, it doesn't work. Or more precisely, all gender dysphoric are required to get counseling before a sex change is allowed. It has to be assessed that counseling does not improve their condition. If it does, they are not diagnosed as gender dysphoric. That this person got a sex change implies that a team of health care professionals agreed that it is necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
And by the way, no one "decides one day" that you want another sex. All gender dysphoric people have a history of distress with their bodies from early childhood. It isn't a disease you get overnight but something that haunts you your entire life, unless you get treatment, and that includes sex change.
*assumes indulgent/condescending tone*Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
Oh, A. Saturnus, A. Saturnus, A. Saturnus...
You're missing the whole point.
The point is that people who are in any way sexually different from the mainstream are icky, and worthy of nothing but scorn.
The sooner you get that through your head, the easier things will be for you in the Backroom.
*pats A. Saturnus on the head good-naturedly*
Now, take your crazy little ideas outside and play with the other liberals. You little scamp you...
I have an idea why not say in the name of equaling the genders each semester will be devoted to one of the sexes. i mean the kids are little when I was that age a bear couldve tuaght me and I wouldntve cared.
I'd like to add to this because I find this misleading unless you also touch on the other myriad of quite arbitrary DSM IV labels that are almost always slapped on these folks as well. Saying this operation is a cure for gender dysphoria is akin to saying a bandage is a cure for a severed limb.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
I've never heard of a patient who's only diagnosis was gender dysphoria and became perfectly mentally healthy after their operation. Just because these patients just about never regret their operation, doesn't mean it's a cut and dry 'cure.'
That is a myth about the male to female sex change. The only part of the male genetals that are out right removed in a sex change is the testicles. The penis is inverted to form the new vagina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
:focus:
:weirdthread:
Weird stuff... it was posted by dave.:laugh4:
At least it is something that I could only read here.
The real question is if I had sex with "Lily" would that make me gay?
Don't know for sure - but it would make "Lily" a cradle robber since the stated age of Lily was 71.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
Or it could just mean yor just freaky for the older crowd. :laugh4:
Just remember Major be a gentleman... flowers and chocolates afterwards...
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I would prefer anyone with a history of severe mental illness not to be in charge of children or as a role model.
Pretty sure that's not true- there have been cases of "feelings" not developing until puberty or even into adulthood, which is probably the case with this man since he didnt get the procedure until 71.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
I'd say it's no cure at all- it's indulging in their disorder, not fixing it. If I became convinced that I was a Hobbit, would I be cured if you shortened my legs? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
And put hair on your feet.
Come to think about it, being a Hobbit would be pretty awesome. :idea2:
For all the "publicly" "tolerant" actors...
I wish your male child becomes homosexual and does a sex change at the age of 30 after having 2 kids with his/her wife.
Then you might take off the "politically correct" mask...
Hellenes
I see a huge difference between being homosexual and having a gender change.
For me gender change is similar to being ashamed of who you are... like Michael Jackson wanting to be white, or racists who hate their ethnic background...
I'm not convinced that it is a legitmate medical procedure... if it was then it would/should be payed out of the public purse. And if it was payed out of the public purse I would be querying why other priority treatments for burn and cancer wards were being demoted for a gender change.
Pape - is liposuction a "legitimate medical procedure" worthy of being paid for "out of the public purse"?
Who are you talking to?Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
Homosexuality is separate from transgender. And if my son felt that way I should hope I would raise him to decide things for himself before getting married.
Why would guys be ashamed of being guys or girls ashamed of being girls?Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
The transgender (as opposed to crossdressing) people I've known were not ashamed of anything. They just felt that their inner gender was different from what their body showed. And their personality was definitely masculine even though their bodies were feminine.
I find it bizarre that people are weirded out by this. But then I guess we are conditioned from childhood to separate boys and girls quite firmly.
Well they can't exactly breed ya know. When sperm and fecal matter or saliva combines, a baby it does not make. They have to recruit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Does having had sex with another mang make you gay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
Oh, get bent with your moral high ground and your bull **** attempt to paint this as anywhere close to me being a racist. :juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
only on tuesdayQuote:
Originally Posted by GoreBag
Thanks for my new sig. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
Downs syndrom, Autisim, Homosexuality. All these things you are born with. They are birth defects. They don't need to pass on their genes for more of them to be born.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Homsexual men, transgender men, whatever. Six of one etc. as they say...
You don't have to chop off your schlong to prove your freak. Just the process of anal delight is enough. Bleh.
I know, I know. Not productive at all. I'm being a troglodyte/troller. Waiting to pounce on the first liberal that defends butt pleasure.
But in all seriousness, this is pretty sick. He should have at least taught at a new school. Ladyboy looks like a dude, no matter how much of his twang gets diced up and tossed out with the salad.
What about my right as a parent to not expose my children to an individual with dangerous masochistic mental disorders? What about my right as a parent to not force my 8 year old son to learn about gender confusion when they have enought to worry about? "Oh Johnny. It's okay, you can grow up to be a woman too if you want. All you have to do is chop off your penis".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
He could give his appendage to this guy. GAH GAH GAH GAH GAH GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you call yourself a Texan. You must be from Austin, the only liberal refuge in the whole state.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTex
But seriously. Not mentally ill?
Look at it this way. The dude hired somebody to chop off his cock&balls, then dig a hole and call it a vagina. He also stuffed a couple of bags of water into his hairy manly chest and called 'em tits. Then he lasered off all his body hair and wears a wig. And all of this self-mutilation so he could pretend that he was a woman.
Sounds like a frickin psychopath to me!!!!
Just look at this freak1!!!!!113!4176!8432167432690!oneseven!one!
https://img164.imageshack.us/img164/...ehugger0ib.png
Noted.Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
I would rather send my child to a man who had a sex change than too a man who had an operation giving him six penises.... :idea2:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
And before I say anything else: this man has just as much right to teach as anyone else. Personally, I think there are much bigger "freaks" out there, pedophiles for example.
Wow Divinus when did I write that , I thought I wrote about a member who may have confused sexuality issues ....oh and the paratroopers making gay porn movies .
I wonder who "recruited" them ?:laugh4:
They have to be "recruited" you know , so that does leave the question , how was the first homosexual or sex change person "recruited" ?
No way in hell I would let that thing come close to my kids. I wouldn't mind them having a homosexual teacher but this pile of insanity, no.
People who object to a person with a sex change teaching are guilty of prejudice, pure and simple. Sex changes are rare, but I've admired the writing of at least two people who I have subsequently learnt had sex changes - Jan Morris (the travel writer) and Deirdre McCloskey (the economist). I am sure some people with sex changes could be inspirational teachers - it would be a privilege to have been taught English by someone like Morris or Economics by someone like McCloskey.
Maybe they just think that a man that thinks he is really a woman is a tad odd, and may be a bit to unbalanced as an individual to work as a schoolteacher? Nono, I am not crazy I am an airplane!Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Appleton
That's my view on some religious people...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
We all have our biases. I just happen to be biased against people that get their penis cut up, tucked into an artificial hole, and think that democracy means to live out your perversions in front of little children that should be learning nusery rymes and math but intead get an education and you have a bias against people that believe in a higher power.:juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
I said that! Divinus, you damned liar! ~:joker:Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
And when I say "tolerate", I meant just that: "tolerate." I don't mean "openly accept and embrace." If this wierd ****er starts teaching explicit material to children, such as what exactly a sex change is, boot the bastard out- no sexuality of any kind has any place in elementary school. What I meant is that as long as he sticks to the cirriculum, and doesn't start bringing up his sex change, what's the problem? He will just be the ugliest goddamn lady in the entire scool.
Hey, more people have gotten killed, tortured, maimed, oppressed, raped, etc. by people believing in a higher power than by people who cut off their testicles. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I had an extremely religious teacher in fifth grade that tried to indoctrinate us all (and it worked on me, to a certain degree, for a pretty long time), so I'm biased based on experience :knight:
when the hell did Jan Morris die?
Come on they have 30+ years of teaching expierence and in my opinion that alone should be enough to have them come back to teach there. Personally i'd rather have someone with 30 years of teaching background teaching children. Then say a teacher fresh out of college with none at all.
Bless your heartQuote:
And you call yourself a Texan. You must be from Austin, the only liberal refuge in the whole state.
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Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
Divinus, have you ever considered that he might have been born into the wrong body?
Personally I wouldn’t mind hem/here teaching the younger generation.
Keep in mind though that teaching the younger ones is an stressful and demanding thing to do.
And I can’t help wondering about the mental stability like the person in question has.
Undergoing a sex change isn’t the same thing as having a nose job or an organ transplant.
It isn’t something you do lightly.
So how mentally stable is this person?
I don’t mind the fact that hem/her had a sex change, but the question of the mental strength.
Though it teaches the kids directly or indirectly to be more tolerant and open minded (which is obviously a big plus),what’s really going on inside that persons head?
Ps: I wouldn’t call her a freak, just a little bit confused. ~;)
Oh brother....:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
What's wrong with his comment? I consider myself a lesbian trapped in a man's body. ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Sorry, my mistake. She's alive, AFAIK. I don't know where that came from - I just assumed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
After I posted I did a google search to try to find an example of her excellent writing and realised my assumption was probably a mistake, but forgot to correct it. She did cancel a trip to NZ this February due to ill-health.
You had me worried there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Appleton
Born in the wrong body? Are you saying that God or someone equally high up made a little mistake, and put a female mind in a male body? That it's in fact, a perfectly sane female mind trapped in a male body? It's a friggin mental disorder, and while I don't mean to marginalise their ordeals and do feel sorry for them, they're not normal.
If administering hormones or even mutilating their genitals is the only viable treatment, I'm not going to stop them (and it's none of my business anyway)
But I am not letting them near my kids while they're still in elementary school. Does miss Garrison make a good rolemodel for little children? Kids are more impressionable then some of you think, and if we let them be tought by transexuals, they'll start thinking of it as normal. They're vastly abnormal, and transgender treatment should be an extraordinary measure when everything else has failed.
At this point I expect you to tell me "but if the surgery is really good the kids don't need to know!"
Aside from the fact that this is not the case in the article, I don't think you can garantue kids won't find out. And why would you even risk it? The childrens' interests come first.
People are born with elleven fingers, as homosexuals, as mad; but not with the wrong physical gender?Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
You don`t have to be mentally ill because of that. Although he/she/whateva did appear a bit desperat...
Not only is there ample clinical evidence of just that, I personally know transsexuals that feel that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Most transsexuals don't realize what exactly is the problem until they are adolescents or adults, but usually they experience themselves to be different quite early. 71 is admittedly an extreme case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
It's not known what causes gender dysphoria, but some theories say that it has to do with hormonale imbalances before birth.
What is relevant is the reduction of distress. Telling them to accept themselves as they are may suit your perception of the world as normal, but it doesn't help transsexuals. That's as if you tell clinical depressed people not to let themselves down.Quote:
I'd say it's no cure at all- it's indulging in their disorder, not fixing it. If I became convinced that I was a Hobbit, would I be cured if you shortened my legs?
Transsexuals aren't ashamed of themselves. Normally it has nothing to do with the social role of a sex, but the body itself. If it is only the social role that doesn't fit, than one isn't transsexual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
If gender dysphoria is diagnosed, the sex change is payed by the public purse in most countries.
I don't need to paint you as anything, you do that yourself. But to decide how close it actually is, that I will leave over to the Mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
No, it`s not a mental disorder....yes it was a female mind trapped inside a male body. For some time ago I read about a girl that cried every time she showered because of her (wrong) body. She also had a girlfriend, but didn`t feel lesbian at all. I saw an image of her. If it wasn`t for that I`d read the story, I`d never known that he earlier was a girl. I believ it`s called trance-sexuality, or something equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
Kids doesn`t need to know anything about their teacher, they are there to learn about school subjects. :juggle2:Quote:
At this point I expect you to tell me "but if the surgery is really good the kids don't need to know!"
Wishing someone else's children to have a mental illness is a disgusting thing. You should be ashamed for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
As I stated above, it is a mental disorder. And the cure is sex change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
And the cure for alcoholism is a fifth of whiskey. Remember, it's all about reducing distress. :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
Well, we know where they'll stand. You can call me a bigot and a racist without a blink because of who you are while I'll probably get a warning for telling you to get bent. So get bent...Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
Will any of you look at the picture and honestly tell me you want this thing teaching your kids? Too bad we have some very dishonest individuals in here playing politically correct sea captains in the torrential ocean of intolerance. You guys are beyond belief. Thankfully your utter lack of common sense is well insolated in these forums because I know for a fact that most of you "preaching" right now would NEVER EVER practice what your preach. Message board hypocrites, the majority of you self rightious fakes.:no:
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I'm actually amazed at the amount of disgust some of you are expressing.
Good for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
"It puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again":laugh4:
I guess Saturnus is our resident Dr Lecture.
Gender is a society influenced role. However I don't agree with the public purse being used to change the gender of a person. I think part of the proof that they really need to change gender is that they are willing to fully pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
Also on a wider scale I would prefer to see public money spent on what I consider higher priority scenarios...
Ok, but why not some psychotherapy?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
Sex change is not really a cure, biologically, that guy is still a man. Sex changes are about aesthetics.
I think the pictures of lily belong in teh babe thread, so please stop posting them here
I'm confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
Conservatives in this thread seem to be putting a lot of stock in physical appearance, saying that they wouldn't want somebody who looked like this teaching their kids.
But quite frankly, as far as physical appearances go, I don't see a lot of difference between "Lily" and this:
http://www.celebrity-photos.com/barbbush.jpg
Yet you guys not only elected as President the man who had the poor judgment to marry such an obvious freak, but you subsequently elected the freak's offspring as President twice!
Mother of God!
:dizzy2:
And While I'm Here, Let Me Express My Disappointment That No One In The Backroom Has Used The Term tranny Granny In This Thread Until Now.
Don't project your own biases onto the rest of us Dave. And no, I am not saying I don't have any biases. I'm just saying that mine are clearly different from yours. Example: I would honestly (and I know you find this hard to believe, but whatever) be quite comfortable having my kid in this woman's class. On the other hand, I would be very uncomfortable having my son's class be taught by an acknowledged Christian (or Muslim, or just about any religion) fundamentalist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I've got my bias, you've got yours.
At any rate, you just finished throwing a big hissy fit a few posts back because there was a hint of you possibly being called a racist. Then you have the balls to throw this crap around?
Nice...
I'm going to join the minority party here and agree with Dave on this issue. Keep it up.
Dood you,re off the hook. Hang up now!Quote:
Originally Posted by MRD