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I say Salman Rushdie. Just finished 'the Satanic Verses' by Salman Rushdie, what a pile of crap. Shalimar the clown was ok...kinda. 'anger' (think it's translate like that) was a complete ripoff of Sartre's Nausia, and a horrible one at that. Why is he considered a good writer, I don't get it.
opinions? :book:
Edit: oops i was wrong, maybe confused him with someone else...
Yes he is overrated, becuase of the Ayatollah jazz that advertised for him, i'd say they sold him more books than he would ever be able to if he advertised for himself. (don't ask how i got the book, some people would still kill me for reading it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Not that I have personally read any, but Dan Brown is getting some serious flak lately...
I actually thought Anne Rice's 'interview with a vampire' was horrible and one of those rare instances where the film was better than the book. Although I have to admit, that was a long time ago and havent read any more since.
JK Rowling.
JD Salinger. I still believe that you need to have the correct mix up of hormones to enjoy it.
I couldn't name any that have not already been named... JK Rowling, JD Salinger and Dan Brown would all certainly be near the top of my list. Perhaps J.R.R. Tolkien also...
William Shakespeare...
Tale that back, Reenk. Big Bill is the man.
I'll throw down for James Joyce. Finnegan's Wake should be enough to put him in the highest pantheon of the overrated.
I'll never understand anyone's appreciation for Vonnegut.
Dickens
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Originally Posted by Duke Malcolm
gasp.....evil, evil!
YES! VONNEGUT IS THE MOST OVERRRATED WRITER! SLAUGHTER HOUSE V is terrible....Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Well, she isn't exactly critically acclaimed, is she ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDC
You could probably say that any one of the 'great' writers is overrated, but heck, I'll throw in Melville mostly because I read half the first page of Moby Dick and didn't understand a thing he had written. :oops:
Noone mentioned Michael Crichton yet?! Why?!
...Oh, right, you can't be overrated if everyone knows you're a hack. :laugh4:
Well, in terms of classic writers, I harbour a burning hatred for Thomas Hardy, after having to study the dirge that is Tess of the D'Urbervilles in English Lit.
For more contemporary stuff, I would have to say JK 'too rich for editorial control' Rowling is up there. I never got why Frank Herbert was so well liked, either.
Dickens, by a long, long margin -- though it's not entirely his fault since the idiot publishers were paying him by the word (what did they expect).
I like Rowling's series - frothy fun without having to work too hard. Cervantes or Twain it is not, I grant you.
I have heard that Dostoevsky and Tolstoy were even more depressing and monotonous in the original Russian, but lacking that language I cannot comment. They're certainly stultifying in English.
I tried. God knows I tried really hard to like his stuff. All the girlies thought he was cool, so I tried even harder, back in the 60's. He was Irish. He was Catholic. He was troubled. He was clever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I was all those things too (I thought). But I just could not and can not get him. In the end, I realized, it was all a joke of his. Not his writing. The mere fact of his writing for pay, amused the hell out of himself.
I agree with Lemur, and enjoyed his 'highest - overrate' twist. :)
Jack Keroack. His books were supposed to be so "cool" and so "heavy" and it just seemed to me like he slummed around and ate out of trash cans then put it on paper. Exciitng.
And don't get me started on William S Burroughs, he can kiss my arse
Possibly Shakespeare...
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Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
The only difference between Shakepsear and other writers of his time is that he got published. He was the Puff Daddy of his time, he sampled :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Mark Twain is definately overrated, maybe not the most overrated writer, but definately one of the more overrated ones.
The ghost writers for the bible. :inquisitive: :dizzy2: :sweatdrop:
Trying to separate actually bad writers from people whose style I don't like (Dickens, Bronte, any stuffy Victorian types, some Faulkner).
Any writers of mass produced novels (Clancy, King, and Grisham) I'm not fond of. But the worst has to be Dickens, he's just boring and terribly predictable.
Gimmie Hemingway, Heller, London, and Kerouac
I've read the first book of Tess in romanian, but I have no intention of reading the second. The Man That Laughs by Victor Hugo... oh god, I swear it SHOULD NOT take half the book for the plot to start advancing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
I'm not particularly fond of Nathaniel Hawthorne. I thought The Scarlet Letter had too much repetitive self-pity and "woe is me" scenes. I suppose his characters may have been acting accurately, but it still annoyed me at times.
As a matter of fact, the Romantic period stuff all seems a bit much. I didn't get the ending to "Bartleby, the Scrivener", and all the "Oh, the this" and "Oh, the that" of the writing doesn't work for me. I find Poe to be an exception, probably due to his interesting subject matter.
not a big fan of C.S. Lewis either.:book: :inquisitive: :wall:
Isabel Allende:book: :inquisitive: :no:
read his philosophy books, they are very different from narniaQuote:
Originally Posted by Wakizashi
Which first page?Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
The "Call me Ishmael" first page or the real first page, where he provides the Etymology for whales or the compendium of Extracts with the ironic introduction?
I think Melville's Moby Dick is quite amazing. It can be seen as an early postmodern novel. It's entertaining, thrilling and educating.
The literary analysis over the years has reached quite absurd heights, though.
But the book itself is great. I'd say give it another try.
Mark Twain is pure genius as is Shakespeare in my opinion.
Tolkien wrote the first book of a new genre but on C.S. Lewis and
J.K. Rowling, I agree.
Oh and Hemingway, the chauvinist, is way overrated.
If you want to enjoy Hemingway don't ever read something biographical about him.
I second that.Quote:
Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
Flush Harry Potter down the drain please.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDC
He's an ass, so what? As a writer he is able to convey meaning, thoughts, emotions, etc mostly with dialogue and minimal description. See Hills Like White Elephants or A Clean Well Lighted Place for examples. He was a brilliant writer, an ass of a man.Quote:
Oh and Hemingway, the chauvinist, is way overrated.
Dickens...booooring. Had to study Hard Times at school, it is a most accurately titled book...
David Eddings...contrived, repetitive, predictable, shallow, annoying crap.
Haven't read Rowling and don't intend to, and Dan Brown had me floundering in a pool of guilt-ridden hatred for a book I couldn't put down even though I knew it was all poorly written rubbish and cliched as well.
How dare you! Harry Potter is awesome, best children's books since Roald Dahl. So much lighthearted humor, a little scary, and a believable parralel universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius
Goooooooooooooo Harry!
You're right. He is a good writer. Even in the genre I most like, the short story, he is really one of the best. It's a personal thing. I did like his stories very much until I came to learn more about him. It's always dangerous to go there. You never know what to find. In case of Hemingway I didn't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBob
So, what's overrated meaning anyway?
So far we either had authors of the literary canon which some of us found annoying having to deal with and we had popular authors that millions read but we don't agree with. :book:
You could argue that Dan Brown got so much critique that he isn't overrated anymore, just oversold.
Guy de Maupassant is another dreary writer, in the style of naturalisme, where the stroy is meant to be as realistic as possible. Ergo, it bores the bottom off you.
BTW, C.S Lewis wrote Narnia before Tolkien wrote LOTR.
I take my original choice of William Shakespeare back (not really because of you Lemur, though you are a very nice Lemur ~:pat:). I still believe that he is greatly overrated, but that pales in comparison to Voltaire...
I just wrote a great essay for my AP 12 class today and stuck it to him...
Bloody Proust. A la recherche du temps perdu. Nuff said. :dizzy2:
Somebody dissed Tolstoy, yet WaP rocks (in English). But I couldn't quite 'get' Dostoevsky, nor Melville (agree with previous poster having trouble getting beyond the first paragraph....I gave up).
I think virtually most modern writers who get nominated for the prestigious awards such as the Booker are usually very overrated.
Agree with BKS about Tess, but loved Far From the Madding Crowd and The Mayor of Casterbridge. However, Hardy's poetry was better than his novels.
Can't believe there are people who don't get Shakey though, just goes to show that tastes differ. Thankfully, I have good taste :laugh4:
Such a Royalist/Elitist... really only people with royal titles or followers of gods are heroes in the first two series he wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by matteus the inbred
Dan Brown. Generic book, spiced up with lies he says are true, an anti-Christian premise, and immeasureable hype from the media.
Many old writers who are consistently dull.
Because he wrote Dune. Have ye not read it?!Quote:
I never got why Frank Herbert was so well liked, either.
Heh...for my honors English class, our teacher had us read the 3 chapters of the book that were in our textbook, then we watched the Patrick Stewart movie version. He was, in case you were wondering, an assistant football coach.Quote:
nor Melville (agree with previous poster having trouble getting beyond the first paragraph....I gave up).
Crazed Rabbit
it has to be
dan brown - "controversial" just means "i needed it to splash because i couldnt sell it on talent"
or
jrr tolkien - smart guy but his writting style was pretty boring
Tolkien was a linguistic genius and his books do seem to hit a note through the ages. LOTR was an amazing piece of work. He writes in the epic form and I'd doubt anyone would say Vergilius Maro or Homer (if he even wrote) had boring writing forms. I mean they are epic wriyers.
Shakespear, an amazing playwrite and virtual father of the modern English language (gods how many words did he add over a thousand?).
Most overrated...
MR ARCHER,SNIFF SNIFF?
[QUOTE=R'as al Ghul].
Tolkien wrote the first book of a new genre but on C.S. Lewis and
J.K. Rowling, I agree.
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him and CS Lewis were contemporaries (and friends) but CS Lewis's world is very different from Tolkiens, when you read the entire series, they are both based on creatures from myths and legends (the true origins of the fantasy genre) so similaritys are understandable. Thats not even the main thing, CS Lewis did not just write The Narnia books he has written a lot of very good books about religion such as the screwtape letters, Narnia was written for children just the same as the hobbit was, would you judge all Tolkiens works on just the Hobbit?
On second thought, I take back my claim that Tolkien invented a genre. I think the quest-literatur goes way back to Homer's Odyssey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary
I hated the hobbit when I first tried to read it. Too much on the hobbits lineage for my taste at the time. Ten years later however, after having read the LotR, I picked it up again and enjoyed it very much. I only browsed through Narnia while my gf read it and it didn't appear to be so special to me compared to the enormous hype the books got through the films.
That's what I was trying to say earlier, it's more a matter of taste than objective criticism. :book:
yeah sure, the Narnia books are also very linked in with CS Lewis's personal beliefs so i can understand people not likeing them, its odd when his books on religion are overlooked because, they are very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
Leo Tolstoy. It's probably a matter of taste and fashion, but I just couldn't stand the emotionalism in War and Peace.
I think Melville is wonderful. This is from memory, so the punctuation is likely to be disastrous, but here's a passage in which Ahab reveals something about the reason for his obsession about the white whale:
"All visible objects man, are but pasteboard masks, from behind which some invisible, but still reasoning thing puts forth the moldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If thou wouldst strike man, strike through the mask!"
Dan Brown is probably the most overhyped and oversold since St. Paul, but I don't think I've heard anyone call him a good writer yet.
Many writers may be overrated, or I may be stoopid. Joyce? He doesn't do anything for me, but I think it's me.
I'm fairly certain the Norwegian Nobel laureate Sigrid Undset is overrated.
I loved Douglas Adams' work, but he's probably overrated. He was just very, very funny.:2thumbsup:
[QUOTE=Paul Peru
I loved Douglas Adams' work, but he's probably overrated. He was just very, very funny.:2thumbsup:[/QUOTE]
well isn't that presisely what he was setting out to do, if he achieved it surely he can't be overated?
John Grisham. He's alright, but not great. Everyone runs around swarmily touting his praises when he puts something out, but at the end of the day, he's a formula writer. No different than Jackie Collins, just different forumula.
John Grisham=young southern lawyer fighting big evil corporation.
Reminds me of a two books by a children's author I remember reading where the plots went thus: young boy gets pet. Pet grows older, they have many good times. Pet tragically dies. Boy is bitter, but eventually gets another, very similar if not blood-related young pet. The end. Just insert 'horse' or 'dog' for either story and you've got the plot.
Crazed Rabbit
books are overrated.
The 'Call me Ishmael' one. i might give it another try, but then it will be in Dutch instead of English...Quote:
Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
Shakespeare, his comdies just are'nt funny
In the words of Philip Marlowe, "Yo yo, don't be a player-hater. Increase the peace."Quote:
Originally Posted by Scurvy
I would say all the writers of the Star Wars sequels. :hide:
The books lack the feeling of outerspace war atmosphere and memorable characters. The celebrities in the movies are the ones who built up most of the character building feel of the Star Wars that we know of when we think of the movie.
Hamurabi ... what? He wrote stuff.
Are you talking about a law in Babylon?
Dan Brown, James Joyce and JK Rowling top my list.
Yup, I had to read it during lectures ... made quite an impression on me. Hammurabi was overrated, most of the stuff he wrote was merely from other Mesopotamian city-states ... with the sole difference that his got preserved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan
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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
James Joyce.
The emperor... he has no clothes, ok?
also, i should point out that comedy in the old sense doesn't mean funny, it means the story begins in a state of confusion, with the characters existing under the shadow of something... by the end this confusion has been removed, and the light shines on.
Take the Winters tale... comedy, but so bleak in the first 3 acts it's almost like Lear. So we shouldn't view Shakespeare comedies as being just for laughs.