EB Preview :: De Auxiliis Romanis

Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans

We are still working on the next update to EB and that includes new units for you to use (and kill) on the battlefield.
Today, we're showing you some Auxiliary units you can train as the Romans should you be able to expand your borders beyond Italy.

A big thanks goes out to our skinning-machine Forgus who has skinned most of the units shown (and many, many others you will see in the next update) and also for Webbird & Prometheus for their pre-work on some of the skins. Also thanks to Teleklos Archelaou & cunctator for helping out with this preview. And lastly thanks to Alin, Aymar, Prometheus & Spartan Warrior for modelling these units.

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Early Principate Auxiliary Infantry:

The ordinary infantry of the auxilia received less pay and their equipment was often of inferior quality than the legionary’s. Their cohorts made the bulk of the auxilia and were ranked lowest of all regular units of the imperial army. These infantry units were a cheap supplement to the legionary infantry and relieved them from secondary tasks, as garrison duties, border patrols, the protection of missile troops on the battlefield or to hold less important sections of the battle line. Their soldiers were equipped in the Roman fashion, and well commanded first by proven Centurions, transferred from the legions and later by a corps of equestrian officers. They were now mostly directly recruited from amongst the peregrines, free provincials without roman citizenship, in Romanized areas who either volunteered for service or accepted a draft into it. However, the transformation of the auxilia did not happen over night and the irregular contingents of soldiers supplied by allied tribes and vassal states did not disappear all at once. While the large majority of the alae (pure cavalry units where the need for regular forces was more urgent) were reorganized during Augustus reign, the infantry followed much more slowly, lingering in the old fashions until the later years of the 1st century AD.

Most cohorts of the Principate’s auxilia were standard sized cohors quingenaria units, consisting of 480 enlisted soldiers organised in six centuriae. Later in the first century elite approximately double strength cohors millaria and mixed cohors equitata appeared. The equitata units had their own attached cavalry contingent of 120 respectively 240 troopers for the millaria version, so that these units could either operate independently without further assistance or provide a more flexible support for the legions in the case of specialised archer units. Normally the cohorts were named after the ethnicity of the original recruits and kept their name even if they were transferred to other parts of the empire where they immediately begun to recruit locals as replacement.

The length of service for all soldiers was finally set to 26 years for fleet soldiers, 25 years for soldiers of the auxilia, 20 years for legionaries, and 16 years for praetorians. After their discharge they received a cash bonus, the praemia militare, or a small piece of land. The veterans from the auxilia and the fleet were rewarded with Roman citizenship, and a diploma to prove it. Also, medical treatment was improved and all units were now supplied with physicians.

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Cohors Validvm Avxiliarivm - Western Version
Heavy Auxiliary Cohort – Imperial Heavy Auxiliary Infantry
Soldiers for the auxiliary cohorts can be drafted into the army in all provinces of the Imperium Romanum.
Auxiliary infantry is a cheaper supplement of the legionary troops and a good way to better participate the provinces at the huge burdens of the empire to defend it’s people. The soldiers of most of these cohorts fight as heavy spearmen in close formation similar to the legionary infantry, but without the tactical flexibility offered by their larger scutum and the pilum. However other than the pilum the hasta, commonly used by the auxiliaries, is a true thrusting spear and as such a better defence against cavalry attacks. Other than the hasta they are equipped with the gladius, long flat mostly oval shields and well protected by shirts of lorica hamata (chain mail) and old style bronze montefortino helmets, often out phased from the legions.

Historically, after his final victory in the civil war when he formed the standing army of the Principate, Augustus vastly decreased the numbers of legions from over forty to a necessary minimum strength of 28. However to observe and garrison the sheer endless borders of the Imperium Romanum, much more and cheaper troops were needed. Subdued tribes and states always had to supply the Roman army with soldiers and around 50 % of it’s soldiers were at all times not Roman citizens. The empire continued this practice. To increase their efficiency and ease the cooperation with other parts of the army most of these troops were organized into cohorts with roman command structure and training. During the following decades of Augustus rule, the imperial army changed significantly. In many fields a systematic approach replaced the improvisation of the late republican era. Most important was that the auxilia, with its indispensable cavalry and archer units, became a regular arm of the professional army and its second base.

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Cohors Validvm Avxiliarivm - Eastern Version
Heavy Auxiliary Cohort – Imperial Heavy Auxiliary Infantry
Soldiers for the auxiliary cohorts can be drafted into the army in all provinces of the Imperium Romanum.
Auxiliary infantry is a cheaper supplement of the legionary troops and a good way to better participate the provinces at the huge burdens of the empire to defend it’s people. The soldiers of most of these cohorts fight as heavy spearmen in close formation similar to the legionary infantry, but without the tactical flexibility offered by their larger scutum and the pilum. However other than the pilum the hasta, commonly used by the auxiliaries, is a true thrusting spear and as such a better defence against cavalry attacks. Other than the hasta they are equipped with the gladius, long flat mostly oval shields and old style bronze montefortino helmets, often out phased from the legions.
Greek and Asian soldiers in the east are much less influenced in their appearance by western roman culture than their European comrades. Although used in Europe, the lorica squamata (scale mail) armour is more widely in use among the eastern troops and offers a better protection against arrows than chain mail shirts.

Historically, after his final victory in the civil war when he formed the standing army of the Principate, Augustus vastly decreased the numbers of legions from over forty to a necessary minimum strength of 28. However to observe and garrison the sheer endless borders of the Imperium Romanum, much more and cheaper troops were needed. Subdued tribes and states always had to supply the Roman army with soldiers and around 50 % of it’s soldiers were at all times not Roman citizens. The empire continued this practice. To increase their efficiency and ease the cooperation with other parts of the army most of these troops were organized into cohorts with roman command structure and training. During the following decades of Augustus rule, the imperial army changed significantly. In many fields a systematic approach replaced the improvisation of the late republican era. Most important was that the auxilia, with its indispensable cavalry and archer units, became a regular arm of the professional army and its second base.

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Late Republican Auxiliary Cavalry:

Allied and subdued states and tribes always had to supply the roman army with troops. Almost at all times at least 50% of Roma’s soldiers were non citizens. During the first centuries of the republic the old alae of the Italian socii were organized and equipped in a similar way than the roman legions, but around the beginning of the 1st century BC the situation changed. After the social war almost all free Italians received roman citizenship and could now be recruited into the regular legions. In the decades after the “marian reforms” the roman light infantry disappeared. The ordo equester, since decades unable to provide a sufficient number of cavalry for the many wars the late republic had to fight, had split off in two main groups. A mainly political elite that filled out the numerous officer and administrative posts the ever growing Res Publica had to offer, and a pure economical elite, the large majority of the Roman and Italian equestrians.

The various different peoples now ruled by the republic were a much more inhomogeneous group than the former Italian socii. Depending on their relative military strengths, they had to supply the roman army with the various troop types needed, besides heavy infantry, to be competitive on the battlefield.

Most of these troops were levied in the surrounding areas under roman control prior to a campaigns and only large scaled or well prepared wars demanded additional forces and specialised units from distant areas of the roman world. Many of the auxiliaries fought under their own chieftains and officers, while others, especially those recruited from regular provinces, were commanded by roman officers and even organized in roman manner. Usually the auxiliary units were disbanded and sent home after the end of a conflict. However in the continuous wars in last decades of the republic many served that long aside the legions and fought for their generals that they were largely Romanized in the mean time.

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Equites Germanorum
German Auxiliary Cavalry
While the majority of Germanics mainly rely on their infantry some tribes are famous for the horsemen and good quality cavalry. Their manoeuvres are surprisingly well executed and the horsemen are taught to fight as a unit even without roman training. The Equites Germanorum in roman service are an excellent light to medium cavalry force, suited to fight in skirmishes as well as shock actions. As most of the other tribal warrior these men are armed with several frame, long spears with a iron tip that can be thrown as well, and a wooden shield but other than ordinary Germanic cavalry the roman auxiliaries are usually also equipped with chain mail shirts and often ride bigger horses of Mediterranean breeds. Thus they can fight at close quarters for an considerably longer time and with much higher chances to succeed.

Historically, the speciality of the Germanic cavalry was to fight together with an equal number of swift picked light infantrymen, that could either support them directly in melee or form a compact body for the riders to retreat. A praxis that was continued in roman service at least into Augustan times when the auxilia, and especially the cavalry, became more standardized and the tribes that permanently stayed under roman rule continuously more Romanized. Germanic cavalry commonly appeared in roman service since their frontier had reached the Rhine during Julius Caesars campaigns in Gaul. While Germanic mounts were generally seen as too small and inadequately trained for cavalry service by the Romans and Germanic horsemen were often reequipped with Iberian and other Mediterranean breeds, the warriors of Germania had a excellent reputation and were especially famed for their loyalty towards their leader. Many of them served in bodyguards of late republican warlords during the decades of civil war and the early emperor were protected by an approximately cohort strong private Germanic guard with a strong mounted component. During it’s existence the soldiers of the corporis custodes germani were mostly recruited from the tribes of the Batavians and Ubians, and thus were popularly known as batavi in Roma. After the end of Julio-Claudian dynasty in 68 AD the new emperor Galba finally disbanded the unit.

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Equites Hispanorum
Hispanic Auxiliary Cavalry
Equites Hispanorum are a versatile medium cavalry equipped for skirmishing and close combat. The tribes of Iberia have strong equestrian traditions and their breeds are famed in many countries. Usually every rider carries multiple light javelins and a fine Iberian falcata sword for close combat, while riding a excellently trained horse. The horsemen recruited in our provinces are comparably well protected and prepared to fight the enemy even in a prolonged melee. Each eques defensive gear consists of a good quality bascinet type bronze helmet, the widely used caetra round shield and a shirt of lorica hamata (chain mail). Additionally the Iberian auxiliaries now use the four horned saddle, a new and very useful supplementation to cavalry equipment, that enables a firm seat in almost all situations.
Hispanic cavalry can ride down skirmishers, protect the flanks of the infantry, prepare their attack with their javelins or skirmish with the enemy’s light troops, while they are always capable to charge at the right opportunity. The Spanish auxiliary cavalrymen are trained to form the cantabrian circle, the famous javelin attack formation named after one of their tribes credited with it’s invention, which allows the cavalrymen to stay mobile while providing a concentrated continuous missile fire against a single point at the enemy formation. However the Equites Hispanorum are still medium cavalry and a supporting force, it should never be expected that they alone can win a battle.

Historically, various auxiliary cavalry completely replaced the Italian contingents in the roman armies of the late republic. During the Punic wars and the roman expansion into the Iberian peninsula Hispanic cavalry quickly earned an outstanding reputation and many Romans considered them to be the best in the western world. After the conquest of Hispania they were commonly employed by the armies of the republic in campaigns throughout the Mediterranean. In the early Principate the finally pacified Spanish provinces only surpassed by Gaul, remained a main source of recruits for the imperial cavalry, while Celtic and Iberian tactics, fighting style and vocabulary remained dominant well into the 2nd century AD, when the major recruitment areas for cavalrymen had shifted to the frontier provinces since many decades.

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Eqvites Gallorvm
Gallic Auxiliary Cavalry
Equites Gallorum are a versatile medium cavalry equipped for both, skirmishing and shock actions. Besides their main lances, every rider carries several light javelins to weaken the enemy formations and some of them also a Celtic long sword for close combat. Other than many of their counterparts from free Celtic tribes the horsemen recruited in our provinces are comparably well protected and better prepared to fight the enemy at close quarters. Each eques defensive gear consists of a good quality bronze helmets, a small round shields and a shirt of lorica hamata (chain mail). Additionally Equites Gallorum now use the four horned saddle, a new and very useful supplementation to cavalry equipment, that enables a firm seat in almost all situations.\n
Drawn from the upper classes of local Celtic societies these are well trained and respected warriors that have become an integral part of many armies of the Res Publica. Together with other auxiliaries they give our legions the much needed effective cavalry support and are a worthy replacement for the roman equites of previous centuries. Gallic cavalry can ride down skirmishers, protect the flanks of the infantry or prepare their attack with their javelins while they are always capable to charge at the right opportunity. However they are still medium cavalry and a supporting force, it should never be expected that they alone can win a battle.

Historically, various auxiliary cavalry completely replaced the Italian contingents in the roman armies of the late republic and Celtic horsemen were seen as one of the best in the roman realm. At the time of Julius Caesar they had become the backbone of the army’s cavalry arm, fighting with roman forces at places such far away from Gaul as Egypt and Mesopotamia. Celtic and Iberian tactics, fighting style and vocabulary remained dominant in the later regular cavalry arm of the imperial army well into the 2nd century AD, when the major recruitment areas for cavalrymen had shifted to other provinces since many decades.

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Ala Imperatoria
Imperial Cavalry Wing
The alae of the auxilia are the imperial army’s first rate cavalry units. Their riders wear lorica hamata (chain mail) or lorica squamata (scale) armour, iron helmets and long hexagonal or oval shields for protection, while everyone is armed with a sword, a hasta lance and several iacula, light javelins. Their swords are either type Mainz gladii or Celtic long swords, ancestors of the spatha, the first real roman cavalry sword. Introduced around the midst of the 1st century AD the fine and well balanced spatha will become the main sword of the cavalry for the remaining centuries of the empire’s existence and even replace the gladius as primary infantry weapon in the late roman army. With its two-sided narrow blade the spatha is considerably longer than the gladius and much better suited for the use from horseback. The use of the one handed hasta lance as primary weapon allows the horsemen to handle large shields with their left hand. The hasta’s compactness allows it to use the weapon mainly overhand, to stab from above at the enemy besides rarer attacks in the conventional way and even to throw in emergency situations. Like most of the imperial army’s cavalry, they use the famous four horned saddle, which enables a firm seat in almost all occasions.The training of the alae is excellent and extensive, their equipment makes them multifunctional. They can weaken enemy formations with javelin showers and than attack with their lances in the very next moment. However this versatility has its price. Their horsemen are comparably lighter armoured than the former Hellenistic cavalry or even the heavy cataphractarii of the east and the hasta is shorter than many of the cavalry lances used by our enemies. The alae should only be used with care against such opponents.

Historically, the large majority of the cavalry in roman service in the late republic were irregular auxiliaries of mostly Celtic or Iberian origin and their influence will remain dominant in roman cavalry warfare for the next centuries. Some of this units were already organized and commanded by Romans or served that long aside the legions that they had been largely Romanized in the mean time, while others were still commanded by their own leaders. In the early Principate they become a fully integrated part of the professional imperial army. Their training and equipment was unified and brought to a similar level of quality than in the legions they should cooperate with.

The alae (ala/ lat. wing) received their name for the cavalries natural position in a battle formation, the flanks. These units had an excellent reputation in the imperial army and were ranked highest among the auxilia. Later it was not uncommon for exceptional horsemen from the legions to be transferred to an ala. Normally one or later mostly two of them cooperated with each legion during campaigns and together they formed the core of the Principate’s armies. The 4th century military theorist Vegetius reported that only for ala and legionary first cohorts units a minimum height requirement of at best six (1,77m) or at least 5,5 roman feet (1,62m) had existed.

The standard ala quingenaria of the early Principate consisted of 16 turmae with 32 men and was armed as above. However after almost a century of warfare in the east some were already equipped as horse archers. Later in the second half of the 1st century AD elite ala millaria with 24, approximately 40 men strong, turmae will be formed and in the early 2nd century units of catafractarii and contarii will appear under the increasing influence of Parthians and Sarmatians on the development of roman cavalry. Most alae were named after the ethnicity of the original recruits and kept their name even if they were transferred to other parts of the empire where they immediately begun to recruit locals as replacement.

During the decades of his rule following the end of the civil war, Augustus reformed the imperial army significantly and created a standing army with 28 legions as its core. In many fields a systematic approach replaced the improvisation of the late republican era. Most important was that the auxilia, with its indispensable cavalry and archer units, became a regular arm of the professional army and its second base.

Their soldiers were equipped in the Roman fashion, and well commanded first by proven Centurions, transferred from the legions and later by a corps of equestrian officers. They were mostly recruited from amongst the peregrines, free provincials without roman citizenship, who either volunteered for service or accepted a draft into it. However, the transformation of the auxilia did not happen over night and the irregular contingents of soldiers supplied by allied tribes and vassal states did not disappear all at once. While the large majority of the cavalry units were reorganized during Augustus reign, the infantry followed much more slowly, lingering in the old fashions until the later years of the 1st century AD.

The length of service for all soldiers was finally set to 26 years for fleet soldiers, 25 years for soldiers of the auxilia, 20 years for legionaries, and 16 years for praetorians. After their discharge they received a cash bonus, the praemia militare, or a small piece of land. The veterans from the auxilia and the fleet were rewarded with Roman citizenship, and a diploma to prove it. Also, medical treatment was improved and all units were now supplied with physicians.

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And as a bonus, the 5 tiers of Roman temples.

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Cohors Validvm Avxiliarivm - is that a phalanx unit?

As I have posted on TWC,great job EB and keep making us.

PROUD!!:2thumbsup:

Nope the phalanx phased out with the romans a long time ago,its just a spearman unit.

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Is there anymore calvary units?

BTW I don't very much about Roman history but is there a differnce btween legions and Auxillia?

Roman Auxilia replaced the allied units of a classic legion.They are essentially people from other lands who fight in the legions for citizenship while legionarries have citizenship.Auxilia didn't have up to date weapons or armor like the legionarries did but in my opinion the arms the auxilia had were good.Eventually after the praetorians were destroyed by I think Constatine,auxilia actually became the elite soldiers of a roman army.As you see in EB,I think roman legionarries have the Italic helm and Lorica Hamata(chainmail),Gladius hisp while according to the text above the Auxilia use the outdated monteferro helm which was used by Republican legions and good quality army(Squamata or Hamata)plus the old hasta used by old republican legion by the Triarii and Pricipes.Auxilia were made to fill the roles the romans didn't specialize in such as Cavalry.

Realy nice work EB..Cant wait to play it to patch 1.5 comes out.lol

Great work! The browser pics for the aedes and templum are just beautiful. And its great to see the auxilia working into the picture now...the alae look great. Any chance of getting something like its chainmail on the cohors validum? Or did they not use the shoulder pieces?

And finally, THANK YOU (for the preview, the mod, etc)

It's ok,the squamata or scalemail were used by the Eastern empire on its legionarries so I think the eastern auxilia looks good.

Superb. Not much to say.

Awesome! Now I have something to wait for to return to Rome once again.

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Eventually after the praetorians were destroyed by I think Constatine,auxilia actually became the elite soldiers of a roman army.

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Actually, the man who disbanded the Praetorians was Septimius Severus, I think, because of their disintegration into a group of armed rabbles led often by unscrupulous men of ambition who seemed to not hesitate to use the Praetorians against Rome (the citizens, Senate, and city) time and again.

He replaced them with other kinds of bodyguards, I'm not sure what kind. But since then the Roman Emperors favoured German cavalry bodyguards.

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BTW I don't very much about Roman history but is there a differnce btween legions and Auxillia?

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A Legionary is a Roman citizen, and in earlier times Roman citizenship was severely restricted, and the growing circles were not growing as fast as the Republic--the Italians had to fight against their allies the Romans to finally gain recognition. And Roman citizenship after that would be limited for a very long time until Emperor Caracalla universalized it.

Auxilia were not Roman citizens, but they fought for the Roman army either as directly recruited units or under allied commanders. They were just a sort of a concept that includes both the traditional allies and Roman tendencies to use other peoples' expertise the way the Mongols used Chinese engineers in the sieges across the world.

Auxilia would replace Legionary as the "backbone" of the Roman armies only in the Late Empire because of the Legion's--and the Empire's--severe decline. By that timeframe Roman armies were often made up of "Foederati" (sp?), which were often allied barbarian tribes anyway. Several elite units of auxilia existed long before that timeframe, of course, especially as individual generals and Emperors preferred them to potentially disloyal Romans.

Do you have any site showing info about the decline of the Praetorian guard?I
'm just interested in learning more info about it.Nevermind I found it,totally right think you for informing me about this(The entire praetorian guard, discredited by the murder of Pertinax and the auctioning of their support to Julianus, was dismissed.).

Constantine disbanded them. They turned against him and after defeating them, he realized the futility of trusting them any further, so there...

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Nope the phalanx phased out with the romans a long time ago,its just a spearman unit.

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Look how they hold their spears in that picture.

http://roman-empire.net/

Good site for general and encompassing aspects of Roman history. Look around and you'll find what happens.

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Cohors Validvm Avxiliarivm - is that a phalanx unit?

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The skin was loaded with an phalanx unit with the same model for testing purposes and to make the screenshot, the final unit will be normal spearmens.

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Is there anymore calvary units?

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Currently we plan to have two more pre marian and two more post marian cavalry units in future versions.

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Any chance of getting something like its chainmail on the cohors validum?

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Due the limitations to max 255 unique models in R:TW many units have to share thier model with others, the ala has it's own modell

Awesome, but why no missile troops? They were the troops that the Empire really needed, and you could have the Slingers they recruited historically (from Syria I think?), and some others such as archers which they would have auxilaries for.

There will be more auxilia units than these, one late republican and early principate cavalry unit, two more principate infantry auxilia and at least 3 allied italian units for pre marian romans, plus the usual mercenary missile troops fielded by the armies of the republic.

Even ignoring the famed balearic slingers, funditores were not only recruited and used in the east by the roman army. Their lead slingshots are present at many of the periods battlesites throughout europe

Is it my eye or the Cohors Validvm Avxiliarivm - Western version, have their chain mails "unfinished/damaged/untrimmed/whatever" at the edges? Unless I'm wrong, that's a neat detail, isn't it?

!!Awesome!!:2thumbsup:!!Very Cool!!

Just one strange thing...give a look at the Equites Germanorum...their arms are really thin!!

Awesome!!!

I love EB. :thumbsup:

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Eventually after the praetorians were destroyed by I think Constatine,auxilia actually became the elite soldiers of a roman army.As you see in EB,I think roman legionarries have the Italic helm and Lorica Hamata(chainmail),Gladius hisp while according to the text above the Auxilia use the outdated monteferro helm which was used by Republican legions and good quality army(Squamata or Hamata)plus the old hasta used by old republican legion by the Triarii and Pricipes.

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But the Praetorians largely remained in Italia (and of course Constantinople), so how did their disbanding by Constantine change anything in the army? As far as I know all they did was protect the capital, the emperor and occasionally sell the Empire to others, or sell the emperor's death. Constantine didn't need their changing sides to show him that: history shows him that well enough, with most emperors dying by the Praetorians or having to give them 'gifts' every now and then to secure their own safety. The Scholae Palantinae became the defenders of the Emperor then, right?

NB: the Constantine I'm referring to is Constantine the Great who legalised Christianity if you're not sure.

BTW, didn't the legionaries use the [i]lorica segmentata[/b]?

They indeed used the Lorica Segmentata....

When's the next preview? ~D

Not in our timeframe though. These days lorica hamata (sometimes squamata and plumata) rules supreme.

Can we see pre-Marian allied soldiers in the next preview? ~D

Next preview will probably be a mix of units (if I had to guess). It all depends on what we have in reserve (i.e., that we haven't shown) and what comes in over the next week or two.

Sweet! :2thumbsup:

but shouldn't the Eqvites Gallorvm have a horse? :oops:

[QUOTE=edyzmedieval]They indeed used the Lorica Segmentata....

Only for a brief period,the hamata or squamata was used more.

Squamata sounds funny when you say it out loud... :laugh4:

This why I will never say it out aloud in my life:laugh4:

What is plumata armour, is it plate armour or something?

It's a sort of combination between chain and scale. Check this site out, it explains it pretty well: http://www.tirbriste.org/dmir/ArmsAr...0218/0218.html

Plumata?Haven't heard about that type of armor before.Anyway lorica segmentata wasn't widely used till 1-100ad and went in decline after that period.

I think that lorica plumata was an expensive form of armor for officer's that was sort of like a combination of chain and scale mail.

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Take a look,looks more like scale,the chain is behind the scale unlike Squamata which is just scale.

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Even ignoring the famed balearic slingers, funditores were not only recruited and used in the east by the roman army. Their lead slingshots are present at many of the periods battlesites throughout europe

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The legionnaires were trained with, and carried slings. The problem with representing them as a separate unit is that they weren't - and generally they didn't use the sling except in the event of a siege.

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Take a look,looks more like scale,the chain is behind the scale unlike Squamata which is just scale.

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Personally, I think this one looks much better and matches the description on the site Qwerty posted: http://www.niximperial.com/nixp06e.html.

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Originally Posted by khelvan

The legionnaires were trained with, and carried slings. The problem with representing them as a separate unit is that they weren't - and generally they didn't use the sling except in the event of a siege.

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Unforntunately R:TWs rigid two weapons per unit system does not allow us to potray the flexibility of real soldiers accurately.
Evidence for the regular use of slingers is abundant, even for augustean period in central europe, from the occupation of raetia and drusus early campaigns to Teutoburg, Germanicus and beyond, some in a non siege context. Also not mentioned as seperate unit earlier Germanicus slingers operated idependently from the legions during the assault against the earthworks of the agrivarii that marked there border with the cheruscii during his campaign in 16 AD, when his army attacked in a regular battle formation.

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Personally, I think this one looks much better and matches the description on the site Qwerty posted: http://www.niximperial.com/nixp06e.html.

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Yeah it looks better and protects the arms,very nice armor:2thumbsup:

It is called plumata, because as the individual scales are only fixed at the top, wind could blow under and make it stand up as the feathers of a bird when it is cold.

Hmm well now i can add plumata to my dictionary and find out where to buy some lol thanks alot!