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I think that we should have different ranks than just junior member, member, and senior member. It is really hard to get to senior member and a lot of people just get stuck on member. I think we should have ranks like private, corporal, lieutenant, captian, saergent, centurion, senator, and consul. They arent in any particular order but those are just some ranks i thought of.
Well actually that's what makes Senior badge special. Such classification would only be through automation according to the patron's postcounts, which is something nonsense since the quality posts should be above quantity of posts IMHO.
I don't think an enthusiastic effort in order to contribute The Org scene would remain unnoticed or uncredited by our staff. :bow:
I agree with the above, the system is fine the way it is and besides - it would be kind of hard and time consuming switching to an army like system I would imagine.
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Congrats on your AM promotion LEN, which forum do you patrol ?
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Apothecary, Hard and Software. Or so I'm led to believe ~;)
How do you propose that we implement those ranks? Promotion based on postcount only leads some people to start spamming in order to gain ranks. It also results in ranks becoming meaningless, as there are people who post little but always write well thought-out and interesting messages, while some people with high postcounts seldom contribute anything of value. On the other hand, manual promotion is a heck of a lot of work, even though only monitor the junior members. Image how hard it becomes when every rank has to be monitored.
Like LEN, I prefer it that senior membership actually means something.
Oh thanks, Dutch_guy, I've been called to arms to assist seniors who patrol Apothecary and Hard- and Software sections. ~:)
So says a Senior Member. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
I'm not sure ranks would add anything. As LEN stated, post count is meaningless without a quality indicator, there would need to be a promotion review board for it to work properly. I think TWCenter has a ranking system, but I don't know the specifics of how it works.
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I knew I was going to sound biased, but I wasn't trying to protect my title or anything like that, really :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
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Yes; down with ranks and up with LEN. :2thumbsup:
Well, I have to say, the Org is unique (in a good way) from any other forum I have ever peeked in...:2thumbsup:
We got spoiler tags, tons of smilies, an arcade, etc... etc...:2thumbsup:
All goodness...:2thumbsup:
The Senior Member thing is fine as is.
Besides, what's wrong with being a Member?
I never said that you should base it on post count, but you could appoint a few more moderators to deal with ranks and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ludens
We'll take it up in our next staff meeting. Thanks for the suggestion. :bow: I'll let you know.
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Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Congrats bro! :balloon:
(To you too, Dutch_guy, well deserved! :balloon2:)
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Thanks brother :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre
Edit : Thanks, Vladimir. Sorry I missed your post.
Gah! the thread is turning into a Turkish brotherhood affirmation...:tongue3:
Join our side before Kukri notices things happening here. :juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
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But I'm not Turkish; perhaps if there was a multicultural empire to incorporate me as an elite force in their military...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
If there were only such an empire...
Hmm...the Austrio-Hungarian Empire did it. :idea2:
@ Mouzafphaerre
GAH!
Steady lads. Let's stay focused on business here. :)
My congrats to LEN as well; I just noticed your promotion tonight. :bow:
Sergeant is actually much lower than captain. And there weren't sergeants with consuls. It'd be a waste of time, anyway. The current system is fine.
Congrats on AM, LEN!
Why thank you Mouzafphaerre :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mouzafphaerre
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I also think that adding more ranks is unneccessary.The system works fine as it is.And Congrats LEN!~:cheers: Job well deserved!:bow:
Congrats DG.. hmmm on which basis would you've been promoted... probably not TYOLT:inquisitive:
joking lol... I'm just too busy to read the good stuff you write :bow:
I think the limited number of member ranks (3, of which 1 everyone pretty much goes past quite quickly) contributes to the largely egalitarian ethos that the Org has.
It says to me - whether you come here for Total War or one of the other areas - the Org is the kind of place where people can leave their egos at the door. ~:grouphug:
Seconded, underlined, ticked and highlighted. ~:)Quote:
It says to me - whether you come here for Total War or one of the other areas - the Org is the kind of place where people can leave their egos at the door.
Hey, Mouz, how long have you been back? I haven't noticed you in a while...
Oh, and also, GET THE HELL BACK TO EB! WE NEED YOU! :help:
Oh- and not to sound skitzophrenic... but I just noticed that you avatar looks remarkably like Anthony Quinn, when he was in "Lawrence of Arabia". Is that new? Or am I just going mad? :mad:
Why don't we just go back to the old days, of the Junior/Senior Patron then Junior/Senior Member...
That was back when we could keep all the simple riff-raff out of the Gentlemen's Tavern...
I jest, though, I jest, that was a bit too confusing...
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To legitimize it, with apollogies, I concur that there is absolutely no need for more ranks. In MTW times it worked well (man at arms, count, duke etc.) but when there is more than one active community (MTW, RTW, expected MTW2, Spartan, ever new and alive Shogun) going on this way is plain better. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Hey, why didn't you say you're from the ORG too? ~:grouphug: :gah2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I was away for 40 days due to computer troubles. Returned a couple weeks ago. About EB I feel all the same as ever and wish the best to the team but it's better for all parties to be this way now. (See the private board for details.) I'm busy with conservatory exams (see my Frontroom thread) and even graver real life stuff right after that. :wall: Thanks for the heads up mate! ~:) Oh, my avatar has been the same ever since I had the permission to choose one (two years ago?). :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
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alright, well i give up, although i would have liked to have heard from some people that werent already senior members.
Like me?
No, ranks are a bad idea all around. They would be unmanageable, as well as introducing all manner of power struggles into the Org. At the moment, we are a lot like Athens (with a main body of equal citizens, and a few higher-ups to make sure everything stays in order); ranks would make us more like late Imperial Rome (a frickin' nightmare.)
I actually said (sorry if I wasn't clear enough) that I saw two options: the first through postcounts (automatically) and the second manually. The first leads to spamming, the second to a huge amount of work for the moderators.Quote:
Originally Posted by bettkicker19
What do you mean? At least half the people who posted in this thread are neither senior member nor forum staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by bettkicker19
While I can understand that some people like the idea of a broader range ranks (e.g., as a kind of motivation or a frequent recognition - hey, all those who play RPGs know the joy of "leveling up"), I personally would rather not see the implementation of a multi-level ranking system.
Some downsides have already been mentioned - encouraging of spamming, additional workload for moderators (depending on the promotion system), but IMO the more imporatnt is that we shouldn't introduce a "class system" to this community and that posting here and contributing to the community should not primarily happen based on the desire to climb up the ladder but just for the fun of it.
The (few) existing membership levels are there for specific reasons - junior membership just represents (a usually short) "get to know each other" phase and is not meant to label new patrons as less valued.
Senior membership is a way of expressing a special "thank you" to members who often contributed over a long time/in a special way to the community, be it by content or by setting an example for the friendly and helpful atmosphere we consider to be an important characteristic of this community - it does not mean that senior members "outrank" other members in any way.
While it might be fun to "level up" over time I do not think that a multi-level ranking system would rfelect the spirit of this community
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Edit to add: This is my personal opinion as a member of this community - not an "official" policy statement in my function as staff ~:)
Whew. It looks like this will get quashed. I'd just like to add my dislike for an expanded rank system. It's one of the reasons I find the TW Center silly - so many high-sounding ranks that you (from my limited understanding) have to play politics to get. Plus that controversy of deleted accounts or something that seemed to be inspired by the class structure or something.
That's not a dig at TWC in general, mind you - they are great for mod content. I just don't like it nearly so much as the .Org. So I have a knee-jerk reaction against things that bring the .Org closer to TWC (and other popular forums).
Plus I'm so naturally conservative I view all change as bad. :laugh4:
Is this the right place to nominate DD for senior membership? :idea2: :laugh4:
I'm not too fussed about the whole rank thing tbh.
Probably not the placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
To the fact that half the posters on here were non-senior rank, htere are a heck of a lot more members on this site then there are senior members, so the members were very under represented in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius
And yes i know the ranks, my dad was in the marines and he taught me all of them. I was just throwing ranks out there, but i give up on trying to change the ranks so you guys can delete this thread since it pretty much turned into a congrats for getting promoted thread.
Senior Membership just means you get free viagra.
Once upon a time avatars used to be given out based on post counts.
The highest was the Kensai... the downside was spam, spam and spam. Not rewarding sniper like quality just sheer shotgun quantity.
So for that side of things post count covers it.
If the over levels of membership had some sort of function then I could understand having them. As for rewards we have the yearly HOF and a few other ways.
Yet the avatars are still based on postcount?
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Originally Posted by Epistolary Richard
That's pretty much how I feel about it to, even as a non senior member...
Patrons are free to tell us about what they think about more different rank system. How can we increase the number of non-senior members response here, any suggestions please ?Quote:
To the fact that half the posters on here were non-senior rank, htere are a heck of a lot more members on this site then there are senior members, so the members were very under represented in this thread.
bettkicker19, I assure you that I'll be congratulating you of your seniorship which thread ever I may notice it in the future :bow:
Why don't you guys implement a reputation system, if you agree with a certain post but don't feel like sharing your love you could just give a reputation point. I have seen this in other forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
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I should be a senior member, I have done everything to make the rest of you guys look pretty smart. You need me.
yea 4,000 posts and not a senior member, that is kinda sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Unfortunately, it's not based on post count. If it was, I'd be even more deserving of a promotion.. :embarassed:
I think it's best to avoid any mechanisms that promote "class" distinctions among Org patrons. Senior Membership already creates this to a degree, but I think a "nod" to those who have consistently gone above and beyond the norm in contributions to this board and our community is a good thing. Additional "ranks" beyond this acknowledgement would complicate matters, and could lead to problems. We also have the annual HoF awards, which recognize patrons for a wide variety of accomplishments. These two recognition methods--one determined by staff and one determined by popular vote--are enough.
Well I take great pride in never contributing anything even remotely meaningfull, instead I settle for cheap vulgar jokes and extreme rightwing propaganda, with a little dressing that ussualy involves me personally attacking other members in a particulary cheap and nasty way.Quote:
Originally Posted by bettkicker19
It amazes me that they haven't banned me 2 years ago, glory to the org :laugh4:
What is senior membership by the way? Just a title or something edible?
I thought it meant free beer if you stop by Kukri's house. That, and access to the secret Org pr0n stash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
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The free viagra is the real lifesaver :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
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At that age ? ~:eek: Dutch_guy they were distributed for a later use..erm, "later" stands for normal conditions though..:juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
I like the rank system as it is. I don't like the idea of a more complicated system as that makes it easier for people to ignore posts by newer, or less prolific members.
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The karma/reputation system doesn't bring out good results. I remember it being discussed before. I have seen it make surprisingly upset even the maturest looking forum goer elsewhere. No need.
As the yanks say, don't fix it if it works. The ORG works near perfectly. :yes:
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A Rep system is a bad idea. I've seen too many 'Oh my g0dz, who gave m3 b4d rep?!!!!!111ONE' posts on other forums to advocate it.
I'm just reiterating what virtually everyone else here has said, but bettkicker19 wanted more normal members to post, so I thought I'd add my voice. Extra ranks would just cause problems, so its a big :thumbsdown: from me.
Oh yes, more please as he requested :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordHugh
I'm a member too. And I'll just echo the thoughts of other patrons.
This current system works well, and I can't see yourt suggested system working any better (more likely creating more problems than it's worth).Quote:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
i have only recently been appointed assistant admin but i have always prefered the ORG way of ranks over the confusing jumble of ranks the twcenter has...
since when did i ever want to become a 'doctor' :inquisitive: it also gives a slight insentive to work harder when there are only fewer ranks rather than: 'oh look i just gone up another rank.. conificatus, wtf is that?' but i would prefer it to be simpler like private/corperal/sergeant etc if there was seperate ranks
Since this is one of the many questions that surfaces periodically, why don't we sticky this, or something like that ?
Ill look forward to it in the far far away future.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Yup, that'd be me then!
Currently the ranks are Junior Member, Member, Senior Member, Assistant Moderator and Moderator.
Assuming for a minute that as long as people can gain access to most areas and are likely to have their views considered, does one's rank matter?
I hope that this does not sound too much like sour grapes (congrats LEN - a promotion well deserved!), but apart from possibly a pat on the back in a thread, one's promotion matters only to the individual, and of course an increase in responsibilities in the case of Mods.
So, I'm a member. In the back room I am well known by regulars and that's fine. I rarely look at what title people are - I just read their posting. Similarly I am oblivious to gender or age, as again the medium lets me focus on their eruditeness rather than worrying about a badge.
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I think its fine the way it is - and I thought that long before I became an SM. Although I do get a little giddy when lil' ole me is stood next to one of the Giants of the Org in the executive bathroom.
I also think it is fine as it is. And the process of appointing senior members is clearly excellent - read almost any post by a senior member and you will appreciate why they have been selected.
For example, I noticed today (perhaps belatedly) that ajaxfetish has been promoted to Senior Member. When I joined the .org, he was among several people that made me feel very welcome, explained things, supported my stories and thoughts in the Main Hall and whose posts I always read with enormous interest. He epitomises the spirit of the .org and I knew I had found a place I would like to stay. Yet he has only some 550 posts.
His promotion is well deserved and demonstrates to me that the existing system is exactly what it should be.
It would be somewhat difficult to select new ranks -- This is a forum covering 4 (soon to be 5) games and 3 time periods, so the titles are not really the same in any...
Since I have first set foot in the Org, I've noticed most people who were there have either left or become Senior Members... or Asst. Mods... or Mods...
In my opinion, there are only three member ranks - JM, M and SM. AM and Mod are staff positions rather than member ranks. Everyone has a member rank, some people also has a staff position as well. So for example, my member rank is Member and my staff position is Moderator.Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
But surely you accept that once someone is a moderator or assistant moderator this superceedes member / senior member.
I agree that these arestaff positions, but I would also say that they are ranks as they are cearly visable and different from other, normal ranks.
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They are visible, yes. But isn't that just because it's more important that a staffer be identified as their staff position rather than their member rank.
This doesn't mean that they are part of the same tree though. Should I stop being moderator, I would be identified as a member again. But I don't feel as though that would have been a three rank demotion - rather, as I say, that the staff position I had undertaken was removed.
I think it's reasonable to assume that all AMs, Mods and Admins are de facto Senior Members, whether they had that rank prior to taking up the staff role or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Epistolary Richard
I don't assume that at all. Staff members are often honoured as SMs after they step down but that's not always the case - so they must be members during their tenure (assuming they were beforehand) - otherwise those who were members would be being _demoted_ from being a de facto SM.
Well, perhaps. But Senior Member really isn't a rank per se. It confers no extra posting privileges, very much unlike the jump to Member from Junior. Yes, there are a couple of perks, but I don't in any way, shape, or form, "outrank" Tosa because I'm a Senior and he chose not to be.
In any case, Seniors are by selected by the Staff and granted by the Forum Admin, principally for helping out around the Org and generally being a good influence. Staff Members themselves are selected by the Staff in much the same process. I doubt the Forum Admin goes round and individually asks every other member of staff to vote on whether a resigning Mod or AM deserves to be a Senior. So I'd suggest that when you were offered a Staff position, implicit in the offer was the Senior Member "honorific".