Iran to Force Jews to Wear Identifying Badges

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Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."

The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.

Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.

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Sounds like a good idea to me. We should do something like this in the States. Let's all wear some type of cloth or marker to identify our religion, political affiliation, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.

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Originally Posted by Divinus Arma

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Sounds like a good idea to me. We should do something like this in the States. Let's all wear some type of cloth or marker to identify our religion, political affiliation, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.

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Yup, sure makes it easier to round up all the undesirables should you choose to do so.

Disturbing stuff really. :no:

Very sad, history repeats.:shame:

Considering this is the same political/religous body that claims the holocaust did not happen, is it all that surprising coming from them>

Very sad. :shame:

Lucky for us the Israelis treat their minorities better.

Absuredly evil. I never expected them to show their true face so clearly...guess I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

Absuredly evil. I never expected them to show their true face so clearly...guess I was wrong.

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It'll be interesting to see if the clerics overturn this one, now that it has garnered international attention. Any bets?

Sounds like a proposal from hard line elements within the Iranian ruling class which has yet to be given approval.

Watching with concern....

Idaho, if you're right, then these news are hardly sensational. We have a few crazy nazis in Europe and USA too.

Otherwise, it's really disgusting stuff. Luckily enough Iran isn't powerful to carry out something like the holocaust, and if they would do, they'd be wiped off the map in a few months. But if there are many Iranians who have the desire to do so, if only they had power? *Shudders*

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Considering this is the same political/religous body that claims the holocaust did not happen, is it all that surprising coming from them>

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The "best" case scenario is that another "in your face" statement from Iran. That's already disturbing...

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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix

Idaho, if you're right, then these news are hardly sensational. We have a few crazy nazis in Europe and USA too.

Otherwise, it's really disgusting stuff. Luckily enough Iran isn't powerful to carry out something like the holocaust, and if they would do, they'd be wiped off the map in a few months. But if there are many Iranians who have the desire to do so, if only they had power? *Shudders*

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It passed their parliament- it's left to the clerics in charge to either allow it or reject it.

From the article:

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Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

It passed their parliament- it's left to the clerics in charge to either allow it or reject it.

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:sweatdrop: :no: :wall: :furious3:

Never Again. Finally a reason I'd join up and go to war.

well of course the clerics will accept what possible reason wouldnt they ?

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Originally Posted by Bar Kochba

well of course the clerics will accept what possible reason wouldnt they ?

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International pressure

Wow, "Islamofascism" has never been a more apt description ...

Don't the people who voted for these badges read history? I mean, really... this has happened numerous times in the past, and it never had a good result.

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Originally Posted by Wakizashi

Never Again. Finally a reason I'd join up and go to war.

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Concentration camps are apparently already in China, so it's a bit late for "never again". But at least there's time to stop this thing. The problem is from a political point of view Iran is at the same time forcing all others to show religion etc. by clothing, so it's not direct oppression of any distinct minority, just a form of totalitarian oppression about clothing - and an oppression which the locals may even like too much for us to be able to step in as saviors if/when removing it. The thread title is a very incorrect way of describing this law. The law is disgusting, but it's not anti-semitism. It's islamo-fascism - it's rather a form of strenghtening the "we" feeling than the "they" feeling. But such things can easily turn into a "they" way of thinking, directed at one or more minorities.

If Iran has an evil agenda they'll sooner or later do something that'll be a clear step over the line that forces us to defend ourselves. In passing the law, they've not made a distinct step over the line. But if they punish someone harshly for not following it, then we can speak of real oppression, and a good justification for a war. However if they don't harshly punish people who break this disgusting law, they'll unfortunately remain in the grey-zone between clearly evil and clearly neutral (however, if you pass a law, you're likely to use it, so we're likely to get a justification for war pretty quickly). The problem is, in the light of the passing of a law like this, the Iranian nuclear program comes into a whole new perspective. Obviously in the ideal case nobody should be attacked unless evil, but nobody can know for sure whether someone is evil or not, so the decision of attack can only be based on the attacker's perception after he's taken his responsibility of trying to make his judgement of the opponent fairly, always questioning the evilness of said opponent as far as possible, until no doubt remains. While the nuclear program shows they're trying to become a dangerous opponent in war, this recent law shows it's likely they've also got the desire to use the capabilities that that strength could give. With this law, even if it wouldn't be used to persecute any breaker of it, it's a difficult situation for people who support peace, as they get a more and more difficult time argumenting for peace. Laws such as this are really testing the abilitity of other countries to trust Iran's intentions. We should make an ultimatum now - if any non-muslim American or European citizen is persecuted for not wearing a badge, then Iran could be subject to war. If any non-muslim American or European becomes target of street violence by a mob because he/she wore a badge and it was what made him/her a target to the mob, Iran could be subject to war. And with "subject to war" I mean that Iran could be attacked at any time American or European armies would consider appropriate.

This is the best chance for American and European forces to get a strong justification for war, a justification which would make the situation during (better support from home for the troops) and after the war better (unlike than the situation after the Iraq war, for example, where the approach to ultimatum was careless), which are both of great importance. So far an Iran war has been in the grey-zone between justified and not justified, because they've been provoking and looking like they've bad intentions, while never completely stepping over the line, and we've responded too early, making us both look equally bad. But if we make an ultimatum now, and they step over that line, they'll have passed their line so clearly that we've got a justification for a war against Iran. Then we'll get out of this grey-zone of fear for both parts, and find out whether they desire a fight, or desire peace.

That's the only source on badges. Others report that the Iranians are thinking about a dress code, but nothing about badges. Seems someone has been adding a bit of extra flavor to the report.

yeah ive seen this on e fourms and there all from canada!!:juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Spetulhu

That's the only source on badges. Others report that the Iranians are thinking about a dress code, but nothing about badges. Seems someone has been adding a bit of extra flavor to the report.

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Gah! I'll just keep my mouth shut until some better sources turn up :wall:

Well it all seems a very fitting story with the build up to war and all. I remember last time we had such a media campaign full of unproven"facts" was before the Iraq war and look at the truths now. Besides if it is true: how many jews live in Iran anyway - 25 000.That's less than the civilian death toll in Iraq

The good thing, laws are official records, so in the end it'll be easily possible for almost everyone to check up whether it's true or not. If it's passed, it'll be difficult to hide it, and if it isn't passed and/or never existed as a suggestion, it'll be difficult to make it up. I'm of course just speaking hypothetically above. If I were to make a political decision on or vote on the subject of war or not I'd take my responsibility on checking up the truth behind this first. However there's not much responsibility related to random posting in a gaming forum ~:)

I think it is so weird we never read: "Israel forces the Palestinians to live in ghettoes behind barbed wired fences just like the Nazis did"

funny that you dont hear that eygptions and jordanies do the same things!!!

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Originally Posted by stalin

I think it is so weird we never read: "Israel forces the Palestinians to live in ghettoes behind barbed wired fences just like the Nazis did"

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That is a totally different issue. It's funny how you just oversimplified a large, current situation.

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Originally Posted by Hurin_Rules

Don't the people who voted for these badges read history? I mean, really... this has happened numerous times in the past, and it never had a good result.

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The most significant event in recent history that relates to this is something they are not willing to even recognize happened. The situation is very frustrating to me.

I know the UAE requires its people to list their religion on their ID cards because Muslims are forbidden to drink liquor (and other practical reasons, I assume). This circumvents that by preventing them from buying fake ID's, assuming that they do not want to risk being outside the house without their 'badge', even if the story is true.

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Originally Posted by Wakizashi

Never Again. Finally a reason I'd join up and go to war.

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I'm 14, but if I was Older,I would Enlist.. Iran going to be the NExt Germany,Mind what I say people!!:furious3: :furious3:

it dosent have the power and with super powers like america and china even russia a bit they will never let it get that far

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Originally Posted by Ice

That is a totally different issue. It's funny how you just oversimplified a large, current situation.

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The only issue is that USA is going to yet invade another Middle East country. The rest is just propaganda warfare in the buildup to the war. Muslims are the Jews of today, they are hated, persecuted and colonized and no one is lifting a finger while we rape( in many different ways) their land, natural resources and populations in the name of oil and the stability that occupying the entire region would buy.

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That is a totally different issue. It's funny how you just oversimplified a large, current situation.

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And Iran isn't a large, current situation? And yet people are constantly exaggerating things regarding their government and actions. Don't get me wrong, I in no way approve of the current regime, but I think they're painted as a Neo-Nazi Nation far too often.

ehhh yellow badges how much more nazi can u get?

Is there any proof of that claim beyond an article on the internet?

i know you do have a point checked cnn and bbc they didnt have this apparently only the candaians know about it

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Originally Posted by stalin

The only issue is that USA is going to yet invade another Middle East country. The rest is just propaganda warfare in the buildup to the war. Muslims are the Jews of today, they are hated, persecuted and colonized and no one is lifting a finger while we rape( in many different ways) their land, natural resources and populations in the name of oil and the stability that occupying the entire region would buy.

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If you think the United States is going to invade Iran, you need to think otherwise. That's just want we to deal with, occupation of another country. I really don't see your point though on how Muslims are the Jews of today. I really dont recall any past events where any country specially targeted and killed 7 million Muslims. I also find it funny that you think we are "colonizing" the Middle East and raping the populations. Last time I check, the countries selling us oil were making huge profits off it. Gee, that sure sounds like rape. Finally, comparing the entire Palestinian people to 25,000 Jews in Iran is pretty unfair.

It makes me real sad to see where this is going: smart bombs clinically KILLING small dark skinned children in my and your name. I have a boy ok light skinned and only 2 years old and I pray every day that your country never gets interested in my region whether to liberate us or give us democracy

I'm content to watch and see for now. So far this seems uncorroborated and certainly unratified and not implemented.

Please everyone remember that Iran is much more of a complex place and people that pronouncements by the clerics and politicos make it seem. Political dissent and opinion is definately there - just hidden.

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Originally Posted by stalin

I pray every day that your country never gets interested in my region whether to liberate us or give us democracy

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That does it. We're invading Sweden.

And yet another leftist conspiracy theorist joins the backroom. Great.

The problem with your views, my friend, is that they are absolutely absurd and based on conjecture. You are building bridges between concepts that simply do not exist, based on peceptions that are fabricated for you by politicians and extremists with an agenda. Of course, with statement such as these, you are no different than they. Goodie. Side with Iran; all they want is "peace". How the hell are we making this up? Haven't you heard the rhetoric coming from Achbenejinain-whatever, the evil president of Iran?

And another thing, the muslims are the Jews of today? That sounds pretty anti-semitic, considering that the Jews never advocated the violent overthrow of world governments.

Sorry, but this is nuts. You are really out on the fringe. And you are in good company because there are plenty of almonds and cashews to join you in the can back here.

The rational guiding forces of America do not want to go to war with Iran. We do not view muslims as evil. And we do not want to colonize the catbox of the world. We want peace, trade, and freedom.

I am sorry i got steamed up and i shall leave you to your speculations before I say something I am going to regret. Just remember that the Iranians are people just like you and me and have been around lot longer than we have.

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Originally Posted by Divinus Arma

And another thing, the muslims are the Jews of today? That sounds pretty anti-semitic, considering that the Jews never advocated the violent overthrow of world governments.

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I guess you forgot that hitler called communism "jewish plot to take over the world" then. Och and USA invading both the neighboring countries shouldn't worry Iran

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Originally Posted by stalin

It makes me real sad to see where this is going: smart bombs clinically KILLING small dark skinned children in my and your name. I have a boy ok light skinned and only 2 years old and I pray every day that your country never gets interested in my region whether to liberate us or give us democracy

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Yes, the US is evil and targets 2 year olds, eats babies, and rapes women. EXACTLY. Atleast we agree on something. I wouldn't want to waste the time even if it was worth liberating you.

Sure you are all high and mighty and god is on your side just don't be surprised that the rest of the world hates you.

38 posts to go from Iran implementing a dress code to calling the US a baby killing, racist nation. That's got to be close to a record, right? :laugh4:

Maybe Dâriûsh will chime in here with some more details on this topic, and we can stop speculating.

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Originally Posted by stalin

Sure you are all high and mighty and god is on your side just don't be surprised that the rest of the world hates you.

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God on our side? What the hell are you talking about? I never mentioned God once in this thread. Oh and by the way, I doubt the rest of the world actually hates us, but if they do, so be in. Doesn't bother me one bit.

Stalin, havea heart. We in America adore Swedish furniture and pornography. We don't want to invade you and bomb you into Democracy. But if we have to, well, we will.

Your president mentions God all the time, apparently god speaks to him. Look guys i am sorry the name calling has started, shall we stop it untill we are sure we have a reason for it?

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Originally Posted by stalin

Look guys i am sorry the name calling has started, shall we stop it untill we are sure we have a reason for it?

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There is never a reason for name-calling. The point of Backroom is to debate political, religious, and other touchy subjects, but name-calling is not debating and the mods frown upon it. So even if we find out what the truth is behind the dress code, we have to keep it civil.

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Originally Posted by stalin

Your president mentions God all the time, apparently god speaks to him. Look guys i am sorry the name calling has started, shall we stop it untill we are sure we have a reason for it?

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Sure, buddy. One thing you should know about this country though. The president DOES NOT respresent the view of a vast number of Americans. We all aren't identical. ~;)

He's Bush. He does whatever the hell he wants. He has below average IQ. You're not thinking that he represents the average American do you?

Anyway, it's obvious nobody's lifting a finger at America. Why? If they did, they'd be the aggressors. So, that's a few countries plus the USA ganged up on them. Heck, only the USA could destroy any other country on its own. And you're wondering why nobody openly opposes them?

DA: you should say anti-Jewish or anti-Islamic, as anit-Semitic kind of covers both these groups.

Edit: Iran the new Germany? How? They're not exactly going to go to the East looking for Lebensraum, since the Americans and their coalition are over there. Go west like the Germans? The USA are there as well. Iran is just bluffing. What can they do? They most definitely won't nuke anyone. Why? Because nobody in the right mind would do that. Appeasement's had its day seventy years ago, everyone's learned the lesson. Iran nuke anyone, they'll get gang banged. The nukes are just for show, giving them another card to play.

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Originally Posted by Divinus Arma

And another thing, the muslims are the Jews of today? That sounds pretty anti-semitic,

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(insert lazy trumpet here) Arabs are Semites.

“Muslims are the Jews of today, they are hated, persecuted and colonized and no one is lifting a finger while we rape (in many different ways) their land, natural resources and populations in the name of oil and the stability that occupying the entire region would buy.”
You should go and walk in the streets of your own country. Except if you live in Iraq, there are no Mosque burned, no Crystal Night, Muslim have representation in almost all western countries. I still wait from you to show me the minutes of an equivalent Wannsee conference and the start of the building of a new Treblinka and the new Einsatzgruppen.

I am sick to death to read or heard this kind of comments. On one hand the Muslim or/and sympathisers deny the Holocaust; on the other hand they don’t stop to claim to be victim of one.:furious3:
It is true, why so much Muslim live in Western and Genocidal Countries?

I am afraid the only guilty for the actual misrepresentation of Islam and Muslim are the Muslim themselves. The extremists of course, but also the moderate who didn’t want to kill Rushdie, but didn’t condemn the fatwa. They didn’t support the GIA in Algeria, but understood the reasons, etc…

So they are hated? Well, they should be happy that even when they are hated, they are not killed in the street like some judge in Turkey, put in jail like some guy in Afghanistan, ban from work like in Saudi Arabia… Where are the proofs of this hate? None, zero, not at a state level. Not at a society level.
But if one cartoon, one word offend them, hoops, kill the unfaithful, behead the offenders and so one.
By the way, for your knowledge and education, Iraq was a SECULAR state, before the US put their big feet and changed things.:dizzy2:

You mixed politic and Religion. You might thing that the US invaded Iraq for oil, but that implicates it wasn’t because it is a Muslim Country. Chavez is also on a black list, so you will pretend it is because he is a Catholic, or it is because he is a Statesman in charge of oil producer country? And a little bit communist as well. And the best US ally is Saudi Arabia, but perhaps it isn’t a Muslim country. If you look at a map, you will see that there are more Muslim Countries allied with the West than hostile… Just open an atlas.
In fact, I find the Western Countries quite mild in their answer, considering their power.

Not lifting a finger: Who paid the Palestinian Authority until Hamas got elected? The Muslim Countries, the Muslim Conference? No, Europe and US. Now, you will tell me that we deny the vote of the Palestinian people in cutting the financial help. No, we recognise their right to choose Hamas, but they have to deal with the consequence of their choice. We don’t want to pay terrorists. That is our right. Hamas, Hezbollah, Amal, all these people want our death. So, well, sorry, find the money somewhere else… Why should we forget the hostages taken during years in Lebanon, why should we forget our soldiers blown up, our planes high jacked, exploded in the air or on the tarmac? Our subways set in fire, our population under fear, our freedom of expression are attacked on regular basis. And no prominent Imam says a word. No demonstration against terrorism when the targets are Westerners. In England, Germany, France, all these countries either big or small Satan, demonstrations were organised against the war in Iraq.
In Bosnia and Kosovo, NATO intervened in favour of Muslims. But because they are Europeans, they probably don’t count in your calculation.

I have finished with this. Al what I can tell is lost anyway. You are convinced of what you said, so, even hard facts won’t change you mind.:wall:

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Originally Posted by Ice

That is a totally different issue. It's funny how you just oversimplified a large, current situation.

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Well, I know for a fact that I would rather wear a piece of ribbon then live in a ghetto behind a barbed wire fence.

Seriously, it's just a bloody piece of ribbon. It's not like they're putting people in concentration camps, and I doubt that will happen, as it means instant invasion more or less.

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Originally Posted by drone

Maybe Dâriûsh will chime in here with some more details on this topic, and we can stop speculating.

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Far too sensible a stance for the Backroom. I'll have to report you to the moderators so they can restrict you to nice fora. This place is for brawling!

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

Heck, only the USA could destroy any other country on its own.

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I know for a fact Germany can own Sealand. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Far too sensible a stance for the Backroom. I'll have to report you to the moderators so they can restrict you to nice fora. This place is for brawling!

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

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:shame: I'm sorry, I will go do my penance in the Babe Thread. :shame:

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Originally Posted by evil_maniac from mars

Well, I know for a fact that I would rather wear a piece of ribbon then live in a ghetto behind a barbed wire fence.

Seriously, it's just a bloody piece of ribbon. It's not like they're putting people in concentration camps, and I doubt that will happen, as it means instant invasion more or less.

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Yes, but, why do they have do the Isreali government find it necessary to make them live there? Oh yeah, to stop them from attacking Isreal.

Why do the Iranians find it necessary to put a ribbon on the Jews? If you find a good answer, tell me.

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Originally Posted by evil_maniac from mars

Seriously, it's just a bloody piece of ribbon. It's not like they're putting people in concentration camps, and I doubt that will happen, as it means instant invasion more or less.

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I have to disagree - if this marking really happens (and so far I have some doubts, as I am pretty sure that the media would be all over it) it would be more than "just a ribbon".
As I am pretty sure that whoever would pass such a law is very much aware of the badges Jews (and some other selected groups) had to wear in Germany, this could only be inetrpreted to be well considered decision that is supposed to send a very clear message.

However, I would agree with what some patrons here already mentioned - it might be prudent to wait until this is confirmed by a couple of reliable sources, before we start to scream for blood.

I knew I worded that badly.. I meant that just the USA on its own could take on any country that dares to oppose it. :embarassed: Sorry 'bout that mistake.

And I'm betting that there would be foreign support for them anyway.

“And yet another leftist conspiracy theorist joins the backroom”. Why are you linking left and pacifisms? The Red Army wasn’t in favour of the flower Power if I remember well. And the best known resistant in France, Jean Moulin, was a socialist.

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Originally Posted by stalin

I think it is so weird we never read: "Israel forces the Palestinians to live in ghettoes behind barbed wired fences just like the Nazis did"

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You overlook one of the many differences in the two situations:

In 1930's Germany we also never saw headlines reading "Jewish Businessmen Send Suicide Bomber to Aryan Wedding, 15 People Confirmed Dead."

To try to compare the Israelis to the Nazis is not only incredibly innacurate, it's also one of the most hateful, ignorant statements a person could possibly make. Especially given that (from the tone of your other posts) your motivation appears to be a dislike of all things American.

What Holocaust? Don't you know it never happened? :dizzy2:

Let's see the Iranian apologists spin this. I'd really like to know who they are.

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

He's Bush. He does whatever the hell he wants. He has below average IQ. You're not thinking that he represents the average American do you?

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Just thought this was interesting. During the debates wasn't it revealed that Bush has a higher I.Q. than Kerry? I heard Kerry trying to waffle out of the question and I'm pretty sure his score was lower.

There's a scramble on to confirm this story. Details.

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Several experts are casting doubt on reports that Iran had passed a law requiring the country’s Jews and other religious minorities to wear coloured badges identifying them as non-Muslims.

The Iranian embassy in Otttawa also denied the Iranian government had passed such a law.

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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...e-bb91af82abb3

Thankfully it would appear that this story is untrue.

Mahmouds turning out to be a real Nazi, eh?

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

However, I would agree with what some patrons here already mentioned - it might be prudent to wait until this is confirmed by a couple of reliable sources, before we start to scream for blood.

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Hear hear.





I believe it would be how the badge system was implemented, not the system itself. But I'll save my arguement on that matter for later, so please don't respond to this post. :2thumbsup:

Wait a tick

http://www.mehrnews.com/mehr_media/i...26541_orig.jpg
http://www.ilna.ir/images/84-02-15/25.jpg

Must be the Satan brigade.

(Be nice please - Beirut)

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Originally Posted by BHCWarman88

Iran going to be the NExt Germany

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I like Germany and I don´t think Iran is developing the same democratic structure as we have here.:inquisitive:

I think what he meant was teh next nazi germany.

YEa I did mean what Wakizashi Said, They going to be the NExtNaxi Germany..

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Originally Posted by BHCWarman88

They going to be the NExtNaxi Germany..

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I wouldn't mind - as long as they skip the 1933-1945 part. They certainly would have the potential to become a prospering democracy in the future...

Just because his IQ is higher than one person's though, doesn't make him have an average or above average IQ. The fact remains that this man is quite stupid and quite unreasonable.

Ser Clegane: Even before Hitler came to power, Germany was secretly re-arming. Hitler just completed the re-armament. All the Germans wanted at least to reverse Versailles, so hostile relations with France at least were unavoidable. Also, if you skip '33 to '45, that's skipping all the years of Nazi rule :tongue:

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Originally Posted by stalin

Your president mentions God all the time, apparently god speaks to him. Look guys i am sorry the name calling has started, shall we stop it untill we are sure we have a reason for it?

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No, I'm from America. I was born here and lived here all my life and I agree with many points you're making. You will not hear anything out of me. Keep going...

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Also, if you skip '33 to '45, that's skipping all the years of Nazi rule :tongue:

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That's the idea...

I want to differentiate between objecting (or hating) a person/country as opposed to objecting to the persons/country's behavior: I don't hate the USA but lately it has been real hard not to see it as a global bully pushing others around. Most of the problems I see brought up here ( the reasons given to justifythis bullying behaviour) the USA has created itself, be it Usama bin Laden or the deposed Iraqui dictator. In a way it is difficult: to see someone take crap on their own plate in a restaurant and then ask you for help sueing the restaurant for the unprovoked insult especially if the other guests were telling that person that maybe it's not a good idea after all.
Now we are supposed to hate Iran, country in a mess due to yes you guessed it USA. If the Shah's ( guess whose puppet he was) rule was not so bloody and brutal the ayatollah would never find enough support (plunging the entire country into middle ages). I refuse to believe that we canbomb these people to goodness. The only result of the war on terrorism so far has been an increase in terrorism. Every fanatic on the planet now only needs to go to Iraq to find an easy target.:wall:

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

I wouldn't mind - as long as they skip the 1933-1945 part. They certainly would have the potential to become a prospering democracy in the future...

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Does that mean after we have beaten them to a pulp?