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Originally Posted by doc_bean
An employee for a software company needs his paycheck too. If you want to point out that a lot of the money goes to the big shots, a lot of our tax money goes to politicians and diplomats and such too.
No I simply pointed out that in both subjects there's a dilema. Wich one of the two is greater, well that is up to the individual.
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I don't see the difference having much importance here. Both tax evasion and piracy are small crimes, in the sense that one individual doing it has no effect, yet the collective effect can be devastating. To a government or to an industry. But if an industry is seriously undermined that has its impact on society too.
Never said it had importance for the subject at hand, as far a morality goes, just pointing it out and why people might be a little more irreverent to taxes.
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No it's very simple, someone (anyone) has to right to 'give' something to the public, like information, an idea, etc. THEN and only after that person has given it to the public does another person (of the public) has a right to what the first person divulged. Now freedom of information is an illusion, a lot of trials have been fought over company secrets and even personal information is protected in a lot of countries. People have a right to give information, freely or in any way they choose and then people have the right to access that information, within the limits set by the first person.
Still this doesn't refute my point. Do you agree that perception of information and ideas is something subjective? Then there should be no limitations.
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And to me a Ferrari would be much more fulfilling than either, what's your point ?
That I appreciate some kind of information more than other.
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It's about information you talked here, what information is there in a game or in an application ? None, that you're using. A game is pretty much equal to a ferrari the way you're talking about it, so i have a right to a Ferrari ?
Information and ideas are protected by the same right, ideas have even more protection for its very nature. However a Ferrari is a material thing, something that's not as easy as information or ideas to give and receive.
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In economics few things can be demonstrated, it makes sense though.
To tell you the truth I was not even aware of the fact that this alternatives exited.
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A lot of Small business owners, a lot of people who know how to get away with it probably.
Probably.
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I never suggested bloodshed to end piracy, nor did I suggest it to end tax evasion or anything...
Neither did I.
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Ideas must be given before you have a right to them though, stealing trade secrets is very bad for instance. You have no right to information another party is not willing to give up and which is not (legally) publicly available or obtainable through legal means. (anticipating a paparazzi argument here)
Again, never said that you legally, now, have the right to take information or ideas that the other party doesn't want to give for free. I'm talking about hypotesis here, not about actuallity.
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But okay, let's say, for arguments sake, you are right about the freedom of receiving ideas. That doesn't give you the right to use them, and in case of a game, or certainly an application program you are. patents are public information that can only be used under permission, same thing with protected designs and copyrighted material in general. You do not have permission to use the idea (which would be the game here).
Right.
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I hope you do realize that IP laws are in effect to help facilitate the exchange of ideas ? Without them every company would just keep everything a secret and there would be no progress. Musicians would have to enforce strict no-recording rules to avoid copying and movies would only be released in cinemas ? it's not a question of 'or', it's a matter of 'and'.
When there's two values it's always a question of "or", wich of the two is more important, A o B. Where are those IP laws in effect? Care to give me a link please?
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Originally Posted by Husar
And if I´m not required to follow this law, why should I follow any other law?
It was just a joke, relax man.:2thumbsup:
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I don´t really see a link between piracy and freedom of speech. You can go onto the street and talk about piracy as much as you want, if you do not pirate anything in the end, I don´t see a problem.
You're looking at the wrong spot. The idea could be, for example, the game, you've the right to receive or give that game. Now to adquire the game you must pay in someway so you fullfil your obligations with the one who has the patent. There's a conflict between your right to receive ideas and the property rights of the owner. Just suppose that there's no regulation on the area and only this two values in a balance, wich of the two has more weight?