Greatest World Cup goal.

Contemplated making this a poll, but then decided against it. Not really seeking
others' opinions, although naturally they are welcomed. This can be seen, perhaps,
as a disgustingly blatant homage to the aviophobic one, or more [as I would prefer]
just a recognition of footballing genius.

Watched a programme on television last night that proclaimed to have listed
the 50 best goals ever scored in World Cup football - brilliant they were, though
I certainly took issue with the order in which they were presented. Particularly
displeased by the fact that goal number 2, the 'second greatest', was as they
said, "one you don't actually remember". I remember it. I remember watching it
live, jumping about like a mad thing, and maybe even for a moment wishing that
I was Dutch. Alas, I am not, nor am I a fan of the Arsenal. However, it is better
than Carlos Alberto in the 1970 final, it is more amazing than the little man in '86,
and even Archie Gemmill in 1978. It was scored during one of the France '98
quarter-finals, with only a couple of minutes left to play - the commentator
makes sure you don't forget his name.

Please do watch, and appreciate. :2thumbsup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFvXVlfu4vs

[The quality isn't great, so you might not be able to see how good his close
control of the ball is - would have uploaded a better one which I have, but I
wanted to link to a video with the Dutch commentary rather than the English.]

I agree, that's a great World Cup goal. But my favorite of all time is one of Senegal's goals in the 2002 World Cup. A very swift change from defense to offense... I wonder if I can find a video of it...

Ahhhhhh memory's ~:)

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Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika

Contemplated making this a poll, but then decided against it. Not really seeking
others' opinions, although naturally they are welcomed. This can be seen, perhaps,
as a disgustingly blatant homage to the aviophobic one, or more [as I would prefer]
just a recognition of footballing genius.

Watched a programme on television last night that proclaimed to have listed
the 50 best goals ever scored in World Cup football - brilliant they were, though
I certainly took issue with the order in which they were presented. Particularly
displeased by the fact that goal number 2, the 'second greatest', was as they
said, "one you don't actually remember". I remember it. I remember watching it
live, jumping about like a mad thing, and maybe even for a moment wishing that
I was Dutch. Alas, I am not, nor am I a fan of the Arsenal. However, it is better
than Carlos Alberto in the 1970 final, it is more amazing than the little man in '86,
and even Archie Gemmill in 1978. It was scored during one of the France '98
quarter-finals, with only a couple of minutes left to play - the commentator
makes sure you don't forget his name.

Please do watch, and appreciate. :2thumbsup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFvXVlfu4vs

[The quality isn't great, so you might not be able to see how good his close
control of the ball is - would have uploaded a better one which I have, but I
wanted to link to a video with the Dutch commentary rather than the English.]

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I agree with you insofar that Dennis' goal was fantastic. However, I still think, the 'little man's' goal against England in 1986 was better. Pure class!

Quid

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Ahhhhhh memory's ~:)

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Indeed it does !

However, weren't we beaten with penalties the game after that?

That, sadly, brings back memories too...

As for other goals, well I didn't see the show, and even though this one was very good, I'd imagine there are better ones out there.


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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

However, weren't we beaten with penalties the game after that?

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Is that really a question ~;)

My greatest goal of all time is the 'the feet of God' goal from El Diego against England in 1986. Stunning.

I watched that program aswell, awesome. Some simply amazing goals in there.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

My greatest goal of all time is the 'the feet of God' goal from El Diego against England in 1986. Stunning.

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I hate too say it...

But yes that is the best world cup goal ever, had to be against England didnt it. :no:

For those of you who havent seen it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+Maradona+1986

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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix

I agree, that's a great World Cup goal. But my favorite of all time is one of Senegal's goals in the 2002 World Cup. A very swift change from defense to offense... I wonder if I can find a video of it...

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This goal?
Certainly a good one - there's a decent analysis of it in the video.

[Here's a second video of the Bergkamp goal, much like I remember
watching it. The replay shows it in slow motion from another angle,
so you can better observe the move.]

Aaah yes, Dennis' trick was a memorable moment that I was able watch live on TV. I saw Wim Jonk on that "rejoice pile", I wonder what he's doing now, still within football or completely retired ?

However, I think best goal ever was, as Louis mentioned, "the Feet of God" by Maradona. It is twice meaningful that it was following "the Hand of God" in the same game. That much of dribbling, pace and control and creativity is definitely still unequalled.

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Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika

This goal?
Certainly a good one - there's a decent analysis of it in the video.

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yes, exactly that one :2thumbsup:

Gelatinous, it is a world sports competition that, unlike American ones, involves participants from more than one country.
Who play the kind of football that, unlike the American variant, involves playing a ball with one's foot.


Oh, and today is D-day at last guys!

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

What is this "world cup" you speak of, and can I drink out of it?

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Only the worthy ones may drink out of this cup.

Thought LEN might appreciate this goal more.

~;)

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Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika

Contemplated making this a poll, but then decided against it. Not really seeking
others' opinions, although naturally they are welcomed. This can be seen, perhaps,
as a disgustingly blatant homage to the aviophobic one

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How did he get to Korea? Did he go by ship?

One of the great World Cup goals was the one by Klaus Fischer in the 1982 semifinals against France.
I think the English term for that one is "bicycle kick" ("Fallrückzieher" in German).

But perhaps I am somewhat biased because the match was one of the most exciting I ever saw (although Schuhmacher's brutal foul diminished the glory of it)

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Seriously though, go team USA. It's no Superbowl, but the international aspect makes it interesting.

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The worldcup is 'no superbowl'????? It's the biggest event in the world for gods sake, for shame!

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Of course the articles seem to revolve around some tight-assed liberal bitching about how Soccer is superior to all American sports because it's got European origins.

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Your point being? ~;)

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[Here's a second video of the Bergkamp goal, much like I remember
watching it. The replay shows it in slow motion from another angle,
so you can better observe the move.]

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It is a great goal it's just the way he controls the long pass with just one touch, does a superb nutmeg and smashes it past the keeper

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

The game itself is bland and boring.

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I demand his head on a stick! Football > everything else :shame:

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Yes, Football is superior to everything else indeed. But I can't say the same for Soccer.

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psssssssssssst behind you

SSNeo, man, after the match we were marching as if we had conquered Vienna.

However it was rather interesting that we had not matched a European team throughout that tournament until we were in the semi-finals. That makes our 3rd place still debatable here.

Niether its the type of silly football the Americans play.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Seriously though, go team USA. It's no Superbowl, but the international aspect makes it interesting.

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You know, team USA may often be derided by the more traditional footy countries, but they always do alright really. It's a decent team, still no match for the top teams, but definately on par with a good European or South American team.

Ser Clegane, that Fallrückzieher was not a moment of glory.

It was the moment darkness set in, a day of infamy. A day God turned his back on the world, abondoned humanity, and let the Teutonic Hordes from Hell roam free. There was no good in this world on that day.

German footballers, they don't even exist. There is no such thing as a German national football team. They're ghosts, shadowy creatures from the underworld. They get called upon, get released from the darkest nooks and crannies of Hell, to punish us frail, mortal human beings for our sins and burn our souls.

Some teams were meant to win: Hungary in 1954, Holland in 1974, France in 1982. They were forsaken by God.

Fortunately, two other countries were spared from this cruel fate, their destiny not denied from them: England in 1966 and Argentina in 1986. In both finals though, the hounds from hell came back to 2-2 after being 2-0 down as a reminder to repent our sins, before justice and mercy prevailed.

Any victory over the German football team is a sign of God's benevolence, of hope, of good in this world. A victory for all of humanity.

Ya america is pretty decent, didn't they get to the 4th place last time? You would assume that such a prestation would spark some enthousiasm, strange it didn't happen. Maybe a being the best thingie.

I think USA lost their quarter final in the last World Cup... But they were quite good in most of their games before the quarter final. They happened to meet a Germany with Kahn in top-shape in the quarter final ~:)

Three hours and fifteen minutes until first kick-off :jumping:

Can't wait! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix

I think USA lost their quarter final in the last World Cup... But they were quite good in most of their games before the quarter final. They happened to meet a Germany with Kahn in top-shape in the quarter final ~:)

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That was one strange tournament, it was fun watching the South Korean's, appeared out of nothing and played a few great games, they were so enthousiastic, very moving to watch. A bit too succesful maybe, last match they were too content with past achievements and played a tame game.

edit, which team do you support Taurus?

god I am exited, woooooooooooooooooooorlllllllllllllllldcup goodness YAY, the only thing that prevents europeans from killing eachother!

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Originally Posted by Fragony

That was one strange tournament, it was fun watching the South Korean's, appeared out of nothing and played a few great games, they were so enthousiastic, very moving to watch. A bit too succesful maybe, last match they were too content with past achievements and played a tame game.

edit, which team do you support Taurus?

god I am exited, woooooooooooooooooooorlllllllllllllllldcup goodness YAY, the only thing that prevents europeans from killing eachother!

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But they had massive help from the officals

Like the goal that was offside when the guy crossed it on the byline with linesman level with the player. :furious3:

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

I'd watch, but I fear Soccer is not shown on Network television here. I'd have to spring for cable. And that just ain't happenin'. I'm trying to live above my means as it is.

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It isn't even broadcasted on public television??? Dear god! You Americans truely know nothing about sports, I mean you bring baseball-bats to the wrong game :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

I'd watch, but I fear Soccer is not shown on Network television here. I'd have to spring for cable. And that just ain't happenin'. I'm trying to live above my means as it is.

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This is not the case. ABC (broadcast) is showing several games, while ESPN/ESPN2 (cable) has the rest.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/worldcup/fixtures?cc=5901

The biggest problem is the time differential, which is one reason there wasn't an upsurge from Korea2002. Very few people were willing to get up at 4am to watch the games. This time around, most games are during working hours so the problem still exists. Fortunately I have TiVo, so I will get to see most of the action, but I will probably already know the outcome beforehand (a problem I already have with Champions League games).

I have some contractors working on my house this week, I don't expect much work from them today, one is from Ecuador, the other from Poland. I half expect to get home tonight and find one of them laying in a pool of blood. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Ser Clegane, that Fallrückzieher was not a moment of glory.

It was the moment darkness set in, a day of infamy. A day God turned his back on the world, abondoned humanity, and let the Teutonic Hordes from Hell roam free. There was no good in this world on that day.

German footballers, they don't even exist. There is no such thing as a German national football team. They're ghosts, shadowy creatures from the underworld. They get called upon, get released from the darkest nooks and crannies of Hell, to punish us frail, mortal human beings for our sins and burn our souls.

Some teams were meant to win: Hungary in 1954, Holland in 1974, France in 1982. They were forsaken by God.

Fortunately, two other countries were spared from this cruel fate, their destiny not denied from them: England in 1966 and Argentina in 1986. In both finals though, the hounds from hell came back to 2-2 after being 2-0 down as a reminder to repent our sins, before justice and mercy prevailed.

Any victory over the German football team is a sign of God's benevolence, of hope, of good in this world. A victory for all of humanity.

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Sums up just about all that need be said. On a programme titled something
along the lines of "Football Heaven and Hell" the Schumacher foul was shown,
along with his complete disregard for the other player's well-being. Insult was
added to injury by the fact that he later saved two penalties, as I'd guess
you know all too well.

[Let's not go into the criminal nature of the man's hairstyle alone.]

Diego's awesome slalom goal against England in '86 has to be the best. Not only a great goal technically, but factor in the Falkland's War, and the fact that England were actually worthy opposition having built up a formidable head of steam after a sticky first group game. In fact, when Barnes came on for the last 20 mins he ripped the Argentinian right flank to shreds and they had to show considerable reserves of defensive fortitude and skills to match the earlier attacking verve (and cheating ~;) ) of Maradona. Great game.

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Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika

Sums up just about all that need be said. On a programme titled something
along the lines of "Football Heaven and Hell" the Schumacher foul was shown,
along with his complete disregard for the other player's well-being. Insult was
added to injury by the fact that he later saved two penalties, as I'd guess
you know all too well.

[Let's not go into the criminal nature of the man's hairstyle alone.]

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I've never seen that foul, which is strange considering how infamous it is.

Does anyone have - or could provide - a link to some video showing it ?

Or would I be better of not seeing it, ever ?

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

Or would I be better of not seeing it, ever ?

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Exactly. One of the most disgraceful acts I've ever seen on a football pitch. And not even a booking or free-kick was given, which is strange as it was not a peripheral incident, it was the focus of attention. Everybody in the ground and around the world winced in pain and demanded justice but the three officials amazingly didn't see it. Schumacher should have been locked up.

Hmm, seems I got a bit carried away in my last post about the German football team...

I wrote it shortly after watching the highlights from 1982. It can be seen on Fifa's home page here. English version here.
Fifa still persist in calling that attempted homicide a 'collision'.

Well judge for yourself. It doesn't look too bad from the angle they're showing, but at least you can see how Schumacher commits his foul long after Battiston has shot at goal. Battiston eventually got out of coma and more or less recoverd, but the eventual defeat has never been digested in France. I didn't see the original game in 1982, but I share the collective anger (and frustration).

https://img80.imageshack.us/img80/83...tiston27ip.jpg

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

. I didn't see the original game in 1982, but I share the collective anger (and frustration).

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This counts for a lot of Dutch people too, of course I'm not talking about '82, but of - yes you guessed it - '74.

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Which Schumacher is this ? His forename please ?

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Which Schumacher is this ? His forename please ?

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The article Louis posted, says Schumacher's first name is Toni. Toni Schumacher was the West german keeper, who practically murdered a French player, during the semi finals in '82.

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Toni served Fenerbahçe for a couple of seasons. After his retirement he still used to come back and make charity to homeless kids here. I was shocked to hear that he had such past as a keeper.