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Gay Candians "Mounties" Marry
I call it...
"Loving Mounties with Purple Background"
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HALIFAX (CP) - A day before Canada marks its 139th birthday, a young couple will wed in a ceremony that is sure to cast one of the country's most iconic symbols in a whole new light.
Dressed in their distinctive scarlet coats, RCMP constables Jason Tree and David Connors will exchange vows before a justice of the peace and a troop of other Mounties in their fabled red serge.
http://www.cfrb.com/node/375702
Sorry, but I can't help but find this a tad bit amusing. What do our Maple-Leaf friends to the North think about this light-hearted event?
Edit: BTW, The Mountie is a HUGE part of American perception of Canadian culture. Americans have Mom, Apple Pie, and Baseball. When I think of Canada, I think of the Maple leaf flag, Caribou, Mounties, and Hockey. It kind of twists the image of the Mountie, ya know? Whether that is good or bad I leave to others to decide. It's kind of like the stigma Barry Bonds has put on America's favorite pastime, or what was done to Apple Pie in the movie "American Pie".
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Well it is said that they always get their man. :laugh4:
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Story is like a week and a half old. I just keep thinking about how they both got there man. And other assorted bad jokes, my personal favorite being brokeback mounties (:bounce:). It made the papers when there engagement was discovered in May. Then as the wedding approached all kinds of news outlets wanted to turn the wedding into a media circus and they refused (smart of them IMO).
Anyway I hope they have a long happy, and above all GAY life together.
P.S. I just hope the divorce act has been changed otherwise they won't be able to get a divorce. For a while there it was legal for gay/lesbians to marry but not divorce (:laugh4: :oops: ). Ahhh only in :canada:
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They're lumberjacks and they're ok, they sleep all night and they work all day.
So it's all good :)
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Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Well it is said that they always get their man. :laugh4:
:laugh4:
gay mariages :2thumbsup:
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I've never seen a mounti or a caribou (except in the zoo), but good for them. I hope these Brokeback kids enjoy their marriage.
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Welllllllll...
I, uh....
"Ummm...."
In ten thousand different ways their lifestyle is none of my business. As long as they're happy and causing ho harm, who am I to tell them what to do?
Officialy, well, if J. Edgar Hoover could do his job while wearing purty pink panties... ~:flirt:
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It's amusing how the people who wrote the article think this has earth-shaking ramifications :laugh4:
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Who is it hurting? It's just not news.
Now, it might be news if, after a Gay Marriage-ban amendment were passed in the U.S., Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter needed to emigrate to Canada and get citizenship there so she could get married. That would be ironicly amusing. Think he'd attend? :grin:
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feeewww first time i read the tittle i read Canadians instead of Candians. I got scared our brave police got infested by the homo mafia .....
*run away*
ps. Hasty have no problem at all with gays in general.....
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If two people love eachother who am I to judge it, but I will never understand why they actually want to marry, marriage is between a man and a women period, or a man and a boat of course. Gay couples should of course have the same tax benefits and all, but there is something like asking too much recognision.
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Originally Posted by Fragony
If two people love eachother who am I to judge it, but I will never understand why they actually want to marry, marriage is between a man and a women period, or a man and a boat of course. Gay couples should of course have the same tax benefits and all, but there is something like asking too much recognision.
Why ? Marriage is a sign 2 people love eachother and want the world to see. Why is it asking for recognision, why more so than a heterosexual couple ?
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Originally Posted by Stormcrow
Why ? Marriage is a sign 2 people love eachother and want the world to see. Why is it asking for recognision, why more so than a heterosexual couple ?
Well, they are allowed to let the world know allready, nobody stops them. If they get the same benefits, what's the problem? Asking recognision for gay marriage is too such because you are asking too much from too many people. I don't want to offend gay orgers, but I still think it's a mental condition (there was a thread about conditions in the womb, and it's also more common with people who have older brothers), if someone truely believes he's napoleon I still think that giving him an imperial guard is a bad thing.
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Now, if only I were a mormon that lived in Canada by them.:burnout:
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Originally Posted by Stormcrow
Why ? Marriage is a sign 2 people love eachother and want the world to see. Why is it asking for recognision, why more so than a heterosexual couple ?
:laugh4: What do you think love has to do with marriage? But more seriously: Marriage was not created because two people were in "love". Quite often it was forced or pressured when the guy got the girl pregnant. This decades old notion that love is the main reason for marriage is odd indeed. Marriage is a symbolic ritual that signifies the beginning of a family. Read Froggy's story if you want some background on marriage.
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I'm reading it still & loving it.
But that's beside the point, keeping animals was to provide food, now I seriously doubt many people in the western world eat their dog, cat, or even goldfish.
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Well, they are allowed to let the world know allready, nobody stops them. If they get the same benefits, what's the problem? Asking recognision for gay marriage is too such because you are asking too much from too many people.
If you dont want to upset a large group of people, things will never improve. Organ donation wouldn't have been invented & there are probably better examples.
They allow for extreme-right groups to protest, even though this asks a lot from a lot of people as well, surely you don't object to that as well...
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But that's beside the point, keeping animals was to provide food, now I seriously doubt many people in the western world eat their dog, cat, or even goldfish....
Hmmm. Given the correct condiments.....:devilish:
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I am completely against gay marriage of any kind.
I'm also against straight marriage. :jester:
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Originally Posted by Stormcrow
I'm reading it still & loving it.
But that's beside the point, keeping animals was to provide food, now I seriously doubt many people in the western world eat their dog, cat, or even goldfish.
I'de eat a goldfish:2thumbsup:
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Have you seen how big goldfish can get? ~:eek:
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Originally Posted by Beirut
In ten thousand different ways their lifestyle is none of my business. As long as they're happy and causing ho harm, who am I to tell them what to do?
This is expressed just so perfectly. :2thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
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Originally Posted by Beirut
In ten thousand different ways their lifestyle is none of my business. As long as they're happy and causing ho harm, who am I to tell them what to do?
This is expressed just so perfectly. :2thumbsup:
The problem is when this becomes mainstream. Then it becomes taught in school. Then it becames culturally equivalent to heterosexuality. Then are children are raised to be able to choose between men and wome for sexual parteners with no social stigma. Then the idea of what family means is reconsidered. Then family no longer exists as man +woman +children. Then multiple partners are included as acceptable. Then marriage is antiquated and archaic. Then our children are raised by a multitude of individuals with no clear parents. Then the foundations of family values collapse. Then social values and ethics are reconsidered. Then God is eliminated from humanity. Then "good and evil" does not exist. Then evil is an acceptable choice, because good is relative and nothing is absolute. Then "good" is eliminated and self-service dominates civilization. Then human life is no longer valued. Then civilization crumbles.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
The problem is when this becomes mainstream. Then it becomes taught in school. Then it becames culturally equivalent to heterosexuality. Then are children are raised to be able to choose between men and wome for sexual parteners with no social stigma. Then the idea of what family means is reconsidered. Then family no longer exists as man +woman +children. Then multiple partners are included as acceptable. Then marriage is antiquated and archaic. Then our children are raised by a multitude of individuals with no clear parents. Then the foundations of family values collapse. Then social values and ethics are reconsidered. Then God is eliminated from humanity. Then "good and evil" does not exist. Then evil is an acceptable choice, because good is relative and nothing is absolute. Then "good" is eliminated and self-service dominates civilization. Then human life is no longer valued. Then civilization crumbles.
I'm tired right now, so I won't try to root all the logical fallacies that are in that post.
Anyway, I'm sure that's not your actual opinion.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
The problem is when this becomes mainstream. Then it becomes taught in school. Then it becames culturally equivalent to heterosexuality. Then are children are raised to be able to choose between men and wome for sexual parteners with no social stigma.
Sounds good so far.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
Then the idea of what family means is reconsidered. Then family no longer exists as man +woman +children. Then multiple partners are included as acceptable. Then marriage is antiquated and archaic. Then our children are raised by a multitude of individuals with no clear parents.
Hippies, Kibbutz, divorced parents who have remarried, single parent families, children raised by their grandparents, multigenerational traditional households...
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
Then the foundations of family values collapse.
What look after the needs of the child so that they can become an independent adult in society? These will disappear because both dads are a cop?
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
Then social values and ethics are reconsidered.
War isn't the only time that strategys should change.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
Then God is eliminated from humanity.
And that is a bad thing because?
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
Then "good and evil" does not exist. Then evil is an acceptable choice, because good is relative and nothing is absolute.
So two cops marrying will redefine what is good and evil?
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
Then "good" is eliminated and self-service dominates civilization. Then human life is no longer valued. Then civilization crumbles.
Bit of a stretch based on the idea that gay marriage will lead to a domino effect that destroys every the foundations the civilisation is based on. I don't think gay marriage is outside the idea that all are equal.
Civilisations are in constant edd and flow. When one crumbles another will take its niche.
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Originally Posted by Papewaio
Sounds good so far.
Yay. Because eliminating social roles based on gender is a good idea. I dont see you demanding the beautiful mamawaio wear steel-toed boots, lift weights to get huge, and go do other manly stuff. We like our women to be women. And there is nothing wrong with that.
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Hippies, Kibbutz, divorced parents who have remarried, single parent families, children raised by their grandparents, multigenerational traditional households...
Obviously that is not what I am alluding to. If I was not clear, then allow me to explain. I'm talking about families like: daddy-daddy-daddy-daddy-mommy in one home. Hey, throw the frigging dog in there while you're at it? Who are you to say that beastiality and multi-male polygamy is bad for a child?
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What look after the needs of the child so that they can become an independent adult in society? These will disappear because both dads are a cop?
I'm talking not about both dads are a cop. I'm talking about the concept of "family" at all being eroded to include the whole freacking village porking each other with no actual lasting attachments. Hard to imagine just from homos, sure. But since when does homosexuality have a monopoly on persecuted sexual relationships? And why do they have an ethical advantage over beastiality or multi-partner multi-gender families (Such as 3 daddies and 2 mommies)?
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War isn't the only time that strategys should change.
To eliminate the family from soceity and encourage free social sex between everyone and no attachments. Like no such thing as marriage, and you sharing your wife with everyone 'cause that how society is now.
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And that is a bad thing because?
By eliminating God we eliminate ultimates. Without a God, we only have good and evil as defined by man. There are thus no ultimates. Everything becomes based on an individual decision of what is right and wrong. There are plenty that think global annihilation is right or that rape is right. Who are you to say that rape is not right? Or that molestation is not right? That is only your opinion.
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So two cops marrying will redefine what is good and evil?
I have a chain of logic here.
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Bit of a stretch based on the idea that gay marriage will lead to a domino effect that destroys every the foundations the civilisation is based on. I don't think gay marriage is outside the idea that all are equal.
Then man-boy love is equal. Then 3 mommies 2 daddies is right. Then daddy-mommy-dog is right. Then mommy-horsedaddy is right. Who are you to say that 12 year old girls are not okay to sleep with? Who is anyone to say that inter-family sexual relationships grandpa-granddaughter-doggy-daddy is not right? By your logic, there are no boundaries of love. Can you imagine our soceity broken down into this? Again, why do 2 gay men get to have a monopoly on persecuted love?
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Civilisations are in constant edd and flow. When one crumbles another will take its niche.
And that is also why I am a conservative. I happen to like this civilization and prefer it not to crumble at such a rapid rate. We have tradition in many cases because the generations before us have come to learn certain lessons. While we are not permanently bound to these lessons, we are certainly doomed to repeat their errors if we ignore them completely. This extends to everything. So while I do make the asinine assumption that I can prevent change, perhaps instead we can go slowly enough to prevent a calamitous collapse. Perhaps we can ease our way into the water and give our society time to adapt to the changes and integrate them into the braoder fabricate. You cannot force homosexuality on the religious, nor can you deny the religious their right to believe how they see fit. In turn, many of us make concessions where necessary to allow for the coming change. As I said before, this is a State issue to be decided by local democracy. What works for one region does not work for another. I have a problem with the Bush marriage amendment just as much as I have a problem with American leftist liberalist destruction of States rights and the consolidation of power into the claws of the federal government.
So let 'em pork their guys or dork their goats or whatever. But not where I live and don't try to force it on my children through the American liberal media as normal and acceptable because I have a right to find it unnatural. Ultimately, let Democracy decide. I will side with the people that prefer to keep homo-erotica goat-banging and multi-gender polygamy out of our local schools and away from my kids and their kids. I prefer to live in a society that has laws defined by what is good and what is evil and what we have learned in the past, not defined by what the permissive youth culture of the moment is.
I know some may find this offensive. I find the alternative to be offensive.
Now if you will excuse me, I have farm animal porn to attend to. Good Day Sir.
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You cannot defeat us Divinus, liberalism is unstoppable :2thumbsup:
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'm talking about the concept of "family" at all being eroded to include the whole freacking village porking each other with no actual lasting attachments.
I don't see how allowing more people to marry discourages marriage
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Yay. Because eliminating social roles based on gender is a good idea. I dont see you demanding the beautiful mamawaio wear steel-toed boots, lift weights to get huge, and go do other manly stuff. We like our women to be women. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Social roles based on gender are stereotypes...there is the assumption that because someone is _____ gender they are a certain way. Which isn't always true. People are way to finicky about it (see sex change threads).
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By eliminating God we eliminate ultimates. Without a God, we only have good and evil as defined by man. There are thus no ultimates. Everything becomes based on an individual decision of what is right and wrong. There are plenty that think global annihilation is right or that rape is right. Who are you to say that rape is not right? Or that molestation is not right? That is only your opinion.
20 years in jail is a much more effective ultimatum than "incomprehensible punishment in a fantastical place unless of course you repent".
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And that is also why I am a conservative. I happen to like this civilization and prefer it not to crumble at such a rapid rate. We have tradition in many cases because the generations before us have come to learn certain lessons. While we are not permanently bound to these lessons, we are certainly doomed to repeat their errors if we ignore them completely. This extends to everything. So while I do make the asinine assumption that I can prevent change, perhaps instead we can go slowly enough to prevent a calamitous collapse. Perhaps we can ease our way into the water and give our society time to adapt to the changes and integrate them into the braoder fabricate. You cannot force homosexuality on the religious, nor can you deny the religious their right to believe how they see fit. In turn, many of us make concessions where necessary to allow for the coming change.
Traditions are also based on ignorance. Personally I think this civilization could be much improved. What civilizations have been brought down by rampant sexual promiscuity, by the way?
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So let 'em pork their guys or dork their goats or whatever. But not where I live and don't try to force it on my children through the American liberal media as normal and acceptable because I have a right to find it unnatural. Ultimately, let Democracy decide. I will side with the people that prefer to keep homo-erotica goat-banging and multi-gender polygamy out of our local schools and away from my kids and their kids. I prefer to live in a society that has laws defined by what is good and what is evil and what we have learned in the past, not defined by what the permissive youth culture of the moment is.
I know some may find this offensive. I find the alternative to be offensive.
If you don't like American culture you don't have to take part in it...
As for polygamy no doubt it will be legalized someday, I fail to see your objection. Kids need parents after all, right? It has less of an interest group than homosexuality. Beastiality is quite rare, and no one wants to marry an animal anyway :juggle2: perhaps it will be legalized, though it conflicts with the animal rights movement...I don't see a problem there either, I'm not big on animal rights.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
Yay. Because eliminating social roles based on gender is a good idea. I dont see you demanding the beautiful mamawaio wear steel-toed boots, lift weights to get huge, and go do other manly stuff. We like our women to be women. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Yeap that is because my genes and society gender defined role are in alignment. I would not like society to tell me which adult I can love and marry. I want freedom of choice and to be an adult who takes full responsibility for my choices. I don't want society to make my choices nor to force me to be responsible for someone elses. So I am not being altruistic, I am guarding my freedom by guarding theirs.
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Obviously that is not what I am alluding to. If I was not clear, then allow me to explain. I'm talking about families like: daddy-daddy-daddy-daddy-mommy in one home. Hey, throw the frigging dog in there while you're at it? Who are you to say that beastiality and multi-male polygamy is bad for a child?
There is a whole set of differences between emotionally able adults and children and animals. It is a matter of the ability to understand ones choices and being able to deal with them no matter the consequences. If you want to have sex you should be ready to deal with the outcomes, happiness and ecstatic partner to pregancy to complications to diseases. In other words you should be an adult of sound mind and body.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
I'm talking not about both dads are a cop. I'm talking about the concept of "family" at all being eroded to include the whole freacking village porking each other with no actual lasting attachments. Hard to imagine just from homos, sure. But since when does homosexuality have a monopoly on persecuted sexual relationships? And why do they have an ethical advantage over beastiality or multi-partner multi-gender families (Such as 3 daddies and 2 mommies)?.
If that is the choice of the rest of the adults in the village they can go for it. As long as I get to keep my freedom of choices that is their buisness.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
To eliminate the family from soceity and encourage free social sex between everyone and no attachments. Like no such thing as marriage, and you sharing your wife with everyone 'cause that how society is now.
Nope as noted. People already don't get married and choose to have multiple partners. Why not allow gay people to get married? Share the misery Gaddamit.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
By eliminating God we eliminate ultimates. Without a God, we only have good and evil as defined by man. There are thus no ultimates. Everything becomes based on an individual decision of what is right and wrong. There are plenty that think global annihilation is right or that rape is right. Who are you to say that rape is not right? Or that molestation is not right? That is only your opinion.
So if there is no God there is no rulers, scales or any other form of measuring device?
Golden Rule.
Do No Harm To Others.
Do As You Please, Please As You Do.
No need for a God in the equation. Nor should we follow him out of fear of the now.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
I have a chain of logic here.
And it was fun yanking it too. The chain that is.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
Then man-boy love is equal. Then 3 mommies 2 daddies is right. Then daddy-mommy-dog is right. Then mommy-horsedaddy is right. Who are you to say that 12 year old girls are not okay to sleep with? Who is anyone to say that inter-family sexual relationships grandpa-granddaughter-doggy-daddy is not right? By your logic, there are no boundaries of love. Can you imagine our soceity broken down into this? Again, why do 2 gay men get to have a monopoly on persecuted love?
Nope only adult to adult interactions of a sound body and mind should be allowed as explained above. Same logic as raping someone who is drunk, drugged or otherwise unable to make a decision. You need to be able to take responsibility for your actions and as such need to be fully aware of the consequences and be able to function with those results. A child cannot be expected to remain unharmed from such a course of actions.
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Then are children are raised to be able to choose between men and wome for sexual parteners with no social stigma.
There is no choice really.
A gay person may choose to not pursue someone of the same sex because it is frowned upon, but (s)he cannot choose who (s)he is attracted to. Just like you cannot choose to be attracted to men.
Even if homosexuality was just as accepted in our society as heterosexuality, there would be little change. Even if kids are taught that there is nothing wrong with it, the vast majority of people will be straight, a small percentage will be gay, and there will be small percentages of all types of other sexual deviations. People will act on their attractions, not who they are told to be attracted to.
The only difference would be that millions of gay people wouldnt feel so hated and miserable, or feel the need to force their lifestyle on others in an effort to be accepted by society.
There are some really bad people in this world - im not allowed to say who they are anymore - however, gays certainly arent the ones taking out trains and skyscrapers. This issue belongs on the way back burner. :shrug:
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Even if homosexuality was just as accepted in our society as heterosexuality, there would be little change. Even if kids are taught that there is nothing wrong with it, the vast majority of people will be straight, a small percentage will be gay, and there will be small percentages of all types of other sexual deviations. People will act on their attractions, not who they are told to be attracted to.
Well! He hath spoken a great social truth.
I grew up with a gay brother, there were always gay guys around, we had gay parties in the house (you'll never drink a better Tom Collins than at a gay party), gay people always seemed a normal part of life to me.
Yet, if given the choice between not buckling up on purpose just to see Ecletic in my rear view mirror, or having Jessica Alba over for breakfast...
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Hold it, DA.
Gay atheist men have defined what's good and wrong for people with common sense. Plato was gay, the City of Sparta is the most famous gay state in history as it's population was split between lesbians and gays. There ware no straight men at Thermopyle. Athens was also a famous gay city yet it managed social utopia.Many famous Japanease daimyio ware bisexual.
Then an idiotic Saint Paul, boloved of a Sadomasochistic Arrogant God wrote some letters to the Corinthians about the wrongness of Gay Marriage. Than the world plunged into religious wars, inquisitions, the banning of mathematics and science, despotism....blablabla
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Look, I don't have any issue with people screwing each other or animals. What you do in the privacy of your own home is prefectly fine with me, so long as kids aren't involved in the act or present furing the act. My best man was a lesbian. (And a feminine lesbian at that, she only wore a chick tux 'cause I asked.)
I'm just pointing out that there is a real potential for drastic social change as a result of redefining marriage as anything but other than one man and one woman.
My view is a pessimistic one, and I have to this of my own accord. Homosexuals are not evil, and that is not what I am implying here. I am only suggesting the potential for greater change, that I think people fail to address. Whether I am right or wrong certainly remains to be seen. I just prefer to go down this road at a slow pace.
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Well, if we get onto the bestiality thing. That is wrong, because the animal cannot really give consent. Technically it's abuse.
As to the gay marriage, who cares? I think some people are irrationally worried about the "gayness" rubbing off onto their kids, if this kind of lifestyle is seen as an "accepted norm". Marriage is one of those dying institions anyway, with or without the acceptance of gay people or gay marriages. Marriage is an ancient tradition based on the man's ownership of the woman, those days are gone. Many, modern marriages don't work simply because of the equality, and the conflicts this causes. In the past they worked because the man and woman had defined roles. Gays aren't the problem it's modern living. If gays want to marry, then let them I say.
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Marriage IS an antiquated and archaic idea, besides being nonsense and even borderline insulting.
Anyway, I can't believe that people are still arguing about this. I would facetiously claim that two men marrying would directly cause the sky to fall, but that's already been said.
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Ok, fine, we'll admit it. We're gay, all of us. All thirty million Canadians are gay and we're all married to each other. Every citizen spends a mandatory nine months of each year travelling the country and consummating the Grand Relationship. It's lots more fun than F.D.R's Great Society ever was. ~;)
This is why we have no time for war and all the other little things, we're simply too busy conjugating the verb.
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BTW Beirut, dont forget you're scheduled here next month. My neighbourhood await you with impatience.... Especially the bs 2 blocs away...
*run away*
couldnt resist ...
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Every citizen spends a mandatory nine months of each year travelling the country and consummating the Grand Relationship.
Right now I am seriously considering a move to Canada :thinking:
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Also consider that it's perfectly legal for women to walk around topless. Has been for a decade. :wink3:
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Also consider that it's perfectly legal for women to walk around topless. Has been for a decade. :wink3:
Sadly, I haven't seen this in action since it was illegal.
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The problem is when this becomes mainstream. Then it becomes taught in school. Then it becames culturally equivalent to heterosexuality. Then are children are raised to be able to choose between men and wome for sexual parteners with no social stigma. Then the idea of what family means is reconsidered. Then family no longer exists as man +woman +children. Then multiple partners are included as acceptable. Then marriage is antiquated and archaic. Then our children are raised by a multitude of individuals with no clear parents. Then the foundations of family values collapse. Then social values and ethics are reconsidered. Then God is eliminated from humanity. Then "good and evil" does not exist. Then evil is an acceptable choice, because good is relative and nothing is absolute. Then "good" is eliminated and self-service dominates civilization. Then human life is no longer valued. Then civilization crumbles.
Here you go Divinus
Enjoy your read :2thumbsup:
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I cant remember where Jesus was ever quoted as saying he was going to come back and firebomb all the gays...
Publications like that are why Christianity is becoming less and less tolerated in intellectual circles. Its a shame too, because the true way in which Jesus told his followers to live is still a great moral compass. :shame:
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Look, I don't have any issue with people screwing each other or animals.
And here we have the slippery slope argument, cadged from Senator Santorum, no doubt. Why do opponents of homosexual marriage always go straight for the barnyard?
SENATOR RICK SANTORUM: In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing. And when you destroy that you have a dramatic impact on the quality —
AP: I'm sorry, I didn't think I was going to talk about "man on dog" with a United States senator, it's sort of freaking me out.
SANTORUM: And that's sort of where we are in today's world, unfortunately. The idea is that the state doesn't have rights to limit individuals' wants and passions. I disagree with that. I think we absolutely have rights because there are consequences to letting people live out whatever wants or passions they desire. And we're seeing it in our society.
AP: Sorry, I just never expected to talk about that when I came over here to interview you. Would a President Santorum eliminate a right to privacy — you don't agree with it?
SANTORUM: I've been very clear about that. The right to privacy is a right that was created in a law that set forth a (ban on) rights to limit individual passions.
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Publications like that are why Christianity is becoming less and less tolerated in intellectual circles. Its a shame too, because the true way in which Jesus told his followers to live is still a great moral compass. :shame:
More like because external moral compasses are for fools. Any 'intellectual' or person with any sense would simply disregard things like chick.com.
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Hey look, I didn't even say it was necessarily evil to get all poop-dick with another man. I only said that it could drastically alter the social structure of the civilization which adopts it as equivalent to heterosexuality. It opens the door to challenge the foundations of our society, namely the family. If homosexuality and heterosexuality are equally acceptbale, then other alternative sexual relationships are open to acceptance as well. Over time, this could lead to the decay of many components of our social relationships.
I don't argue this on grounds of what the Bible said, but it could lead to a society without God. Whether you want that or not is up to you. I leave it up to Democracy, and as such I have a probelm with the minority forcing its view on the majority. This isn't race or ethnicity we're talking about here, it's the social structure of a society based on relationships. Do we want a society based on casual promiscous sex free from gender boundaries? If you say yes, then you must never have had sex with someone whom you share a deep intimate love. Sex with a stranger is just nasty after you have had the real deal.
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If homosexuality and heterosexuality are equally acceptbale, then other alternative sexual relationships are open to acceptance as well.
Please, oh please, elaborate. What "other alternative sexual relationships" do you speak of?
Let me get a beer first...
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He means pedophillia, necrophiliia, polyamory, and doggystyle (with an actual dog).
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Hey look, I didn't even say it was necessarily evil to get all poop-dick with another man. I only said that it could drastically alter the social structure of the civilization which adopts it as equivalent to heterosexuality. It opens the door to challenge the foundations of our society, namely the family. If homosexuality and heterosexuality are equally acceptbale, then other alternative sexual relationships are open to acceptance as well. Over time, this could lead to the decay of many components of our social relationships.
I don't argue this on grounds of what the Bible said, but it could lead to a society without God. Whether you want that or not is up to you. I leave it up to Democracy, and as such I have a probelm with the minority forcing its view on the majority. This isn't race or ethnicity we're talking about here, it's the social structure of a society based on relationships. Do we want a society based on casual promiscous sex free from gender boundaries? If you say yes, then you must never have had sex with someone whom you share a deep intimate love. Sex with a stranger is just nasty after you have had the real deal.
I still don't get how more people getting married challenges the "family". It would create more families. The gays who want to get married obviously share deep intimate love.
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Multi-member "families": Mommy-mommy-daddy-daddy-daddy, and one of the mommies belongs to another mulit-member family and so does one of the daddies.
Who are you to say that someone cannot be married to seven other women and three men? They are a happy loving family and have a right to be recognized as husbands and wives.
Same logic as two men.
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Multi-member "families": Mommy-mommy-daddy-daddy-daddy, and one of the mommies belongs to another mulit-member family and so does one of the daddies.
Who are you to say that someone cannot be married to seven other women and three men? They are a happy loving family and have a right to be recognized as husbands and wives.
Same logic as two men.
I seriously doubt that homosexuals marring will turn us into denobulans. That's being a bit paranoid.
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I'd love to have two wives. Who are you to say that I cannot? Who are you to say that all three of us are not deeply in love with each other?
I demand that society and the government honor and respect our marriage and teach it through public education as an equal to heterosexual and homosexual marriage!
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And give them all the benefit$ that go with marriage!
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Exactly. My wives are married to each other, and I am married to each of them. All three of us deserve the tax benefits and social acceptance of at least a "traditional conservative" homosexual marriage.
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I'd love to have two wives. Who are you to say that I cannot? Who are you to say that all three of us are not deeply in love with each other?
I demand that society and the government honor and respect our marriage and teach it through public education as an equal to heterosexual and homosexual marriage!
Go right ahead :2thumbsup: Who really objects to that kind of thing anyway?
You'd still have a family, so I don't see your point.
@Alexander: money? :no: That's a really weak objection.
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Go right ahead :2thumbsup: Who really objects to that kind of thing anyway?
You'd still have a family, so I don't see your point.
Okay. Good. Now I want to admit a third wife in to this equation, where we are all married together. Oh, and that third wife is also shared with a second fmaily similar to mine. She happens to love me and my wives deeply, but also loves another family group too. The thing is, we don't love them, just her. So we want to marry her, and allow her to also be married to her second family group.
Who are you to say that we cannot? Who are you to say that all of us are not deeply in love with each other?
I demand that society and the government honor and respect our marriage and teach it through public education as an equal to heterosexual and homosexual marriage!
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Okay. Good. Now I want to admit a third wife in to this equation, where we are all married together. Oh, and that third wife is also shared with a second fmaily similar to mine. She happens to love me and my wives deeply, but also loves another family group too. The thing is, we don't love them, just her. So we want to marry her, and allow her to also be married to her second family group.
Who are you to say that we cannot? Who are you to say that all of us are not deeply in love with each other?
I demand that society and the government honor and respect our marriage and teach it through public education as an equal to heterosexual and homosexual marriage!
Well, that's between you guys. She can choose to live with you some of the time and with the other people some of the time. When she has kids she'll keep them with her the whole time, perhaps choosing to live permanently with the father. The kids will have a bunch of parents-in-law to help raise them. Strong family unit.
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Hey look, I didn't even say it was necessarily evil to get all poop-dick with another man. I only said that it could drastically alter the social structure of the civilization which adopts it as equivalent to heterosexuality. It opens the door to challenge the foundations of our society, namely the family. If homosexuality and heterosexuality are equally acceptbale, then other alternative sexual relationships are open to acceptance as well. Over time, this could lead to the decay of many components of our social relationships.
I don't argue this on grounds of what the Bible said, but it could lead to a society without God. Whether you want that or not is up to you. I leave it up to Democracy, and as such I have a probelm with the minority forcing its view on the majority. This isn't race or ethnicity we're talking about here, it's the social structure of a society based on relationships. Do we want a society based on casual promiscous sex free from gender boundaries? If you say yes, then you must never have had sex with someone whom you share a deep intimate love. Sex with a stranger is just nasty after you have had the real deal.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:laugh4:
Whacky.
(Except the sex with random strangers part... I, too, prefer someone I know.)
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Any 'intellectual' or person with any sense would simply disregard things like chick.com.
What? No way - chick.com is guaranteed hilarity ... you cannot "simply disregard" it.
I'm shocked :stare:
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Well, that's between you guys. She can choose to live with you some of the time and with the other people some of the time. When she has kids she'll keep them with her the whole time, perhaps choosing to live permanently with the father.
Nobody really will know who the father is. And we want it that way. And we all have avested interest in the children.
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The kids will have a bunch of parents-in-law to help raise them. Strong family unit.
Well, my city wants to get married as one family unit and share the collective burden in a community parenting effort, where children are passed along from one house to another or raised in the collective child unit. This will all be paid for with taxes that we impose on ourselves. We all love each other and who are you to say that we cannot get married?
I demand that society and the government honor and respect our marriage and teach it through public education as an equal to heterosexual and homosexual marriage!
I want my kids to learn that they can have sex with anybody they want, all the time, and that their chidren will be raised by the public. I want them to know that the government (us, since government is public) loves them.
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Nobody really will know who the father is. And we want it that way. And we all have avested interest in the children.
Well, my city wants to get married as one family unit and share the collective burden in a community parenting effort, where children are passed along from one house to another or raised in the collective child unit. This will all be paid for with taxes that we impose on ourselves. We all love each other and who are you to say that we cannot get married?
That won't happen. Human instincts man. We can only keep track of so many people.
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I want my kids to learn that they can have sex with anybody they want, all the time, and that their chidren will be raised by the public. I want them to know that the government (us, since government is public) loves them.
Do you believe that there is something morally wrong with having a lot of sex? People who can, will. I suppose Wilt Chamberlain is the devil incarnate?
Gay men have lots of sex, but that's because they're both men :laugh4:
It wouldn't translate over to heterosexual relationships.
The only point you've made is that if society accepts gay marriage, then they will likely accept polyamory at some time in the future. This doesn't indicate any downfall of civilization though, on the contrary it means society is less prudish and close minded.
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I'd love to have two wives.
And we'd love to have a husband.
Is Tuesday good for you?
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ass/ladies.jpg
(.gnilleps - tidE)
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Gah. My point has been made. Whether others choose to agree or not is entirely their right. Let democracy decide.
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the City of Sparta is the most famous gay state in history as it's population was split between lesbians and gays. There ware no straight men at Thermopyle.
You're holding up Sparta as a positive example? :inquisitive: Legalised paedophilia, legalised anal rape of unmarried woman, unwanted babies thrown into a chasm, a free elite relying on a large population of slaves.....yeah, go Sparta!
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Gah. My point has been made. Whether others choose to agree or not is entirely their right. Let democracy decide.
I still don't see what your point is.
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Just entirely scrap the concept of marriage. As government sactioned institutions, that is. Straight couples can still get their marriage licence from God in a church, something most gay couples wouldn't want anyway
(as to your upcoming question, it would be wrong to force churches to recognise gay marriages)
The only non-bigoted rational argument I can think of to give special recognision to a straight couple AND give them a financial bonus for it, is to encourage family building. Most western countries have low birth rates afterall.
A better way to accomplish that goal is to increase child welfare payments, obviously.
Any other financial aid/tax break to couples for whatever reason should be given to couples of any sexual orientation who are living together for a significant period of time.
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$4000 Australian per baby born in Aus at the moment. ~:cheers:
Plus Benefits A or B for a family:
Benefit A gives another $4,000 per child per annum under 13, dropping to $2000 at age 24 (yes as long as you are at Uni studying for 'free' and living at home your parents can get a supplement)... this one is means tested.
Benefit B gives about $3000 dollars for a child under five for single income family with the primary earner not income tested. It drops to $2000 from ages 5 to 15.
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$4000 Australian per baby born in Aus at the moment. ~:cheers:
Plus Benefits A or B for a family:
Benefit A gives another $4,000 per child per annum under 13, dropping to $2000 at age 24 (yes as long as you are at Uni studying for 'free' and living at home your parents can get a supplement)... this one is means tested.
Benefit B gives about $3000 dollars for a child under five for single income family with the primary earner not income tested. It drops to $2000 from ages 5 to 15.
Wha...huh... ???
I don't get it. The government pays the poor to have children? :no:
Jeeze. No wonder I appear to be such a freaking fascist to you people. They pay you to breed at the cost of the wealthy.
My God.
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Everyone regardless of income gets the maternity bonus, $4k per birth. I thought given your views on immigration that you would see the sense in boosting the internal birth rate.
Benefit A is means tested against the entire family income. This helps poorer families or ones that have an adult who is studying and working part-time.
Check Benefit B. You are rewarded for having a traditional single income family where only one caregiver is working and the other at home.
I used caregiver because the benefits can be given to grandparents or guardians instead of mom and dad... it goes to the primary caregivers.
There is also income supplements for getting your child fully immunised by 19 months. :idea2:
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Let's see...
-a good birth rate is good for society (in some countries getting kids is considered a social duty)
-raising kids costs money
The latter is not a problem for millionaires. But it is for "poor" people (i.e. people to who $4,000 is a significant sum of money, apparently)
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What? No way - chick.com is guaranteed hilarity ... you cannot "simply disregard" it.
I'm shocked :stare:
I was speaking in a sense regarding its content as legitimate. Of course, it's hilarious.
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Then an idiotic Saint Paul, boloved of a Sadomasochistic Arrogant God wrote some letters to the Corinthians about the wrongness of Gay Marriage. Than the world plunged into religious wars, inquisitions, the banning of mathematics and science, despotism....blablabla
I find that quite offensive. This is just another piece of evidence that Christianity is allowed to be openly derided and mocked, whereas if you inserted "Allah" in the place of God, and Mohammed in the place of St. Paul, you would be publicly warned, have your post edited, and every single Muslim would complain.
I find it apalling that people deride Christianity, and yet if anyone dares to insult Islam, they will be considered in the wrong.
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You could of course just report the post. Use the system.
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Sorry, I was just suprised Mods hadn't picked up on this.
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Bah. Everyone is so sensitive. The only time I ever reported a post was to spite the fact that posts could be reported.
I respect that the Org is a private forum, but I think people just need to take their lumps and just give 'em back. These aren't personal attacks, but generalizations. Sometimes they're right. Sometimes they're wrong. It isn't worth getting butt-hurt over.
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Unless someone has an issue then we don't generally get involved. The exceptions being for direct attacks on a Orgah or someone who can't defend themselves... children and democrats :laugh4: In the backroom you should be able to logically prove or disprove someones posts without resorting to mud slinging.
Someones post generally reflect on themselves more rather then the subject.
If a primate chooses to sling faeces at their own reflection its their choice.
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Everyone regardless of income gets the maternity bonus, $4k per birth. I thought given your views on immigration that you would see the sense in boosting the internal birth rate.
Benefit A is means tested against the entire family income. This helps poorer families or ones that have an adult who is studying and working part-time.
Check Benefit B. You are rewarded for having a traditional single income family where only one caregiver is working and the other at home.
I used caregiver because the benefits can be given to grandparents or guardians instead of mom and dad... it goes to the primary caregivers.
There is also income supplements for getting your child fully immunised by 19 months. :idea2:
You Auzzie's have it good in that regard. Here we get a family alloance per month per kid. Plus uni is "free"! I wish we had that. Here tuition is only susedized and the gov gives out student loans.
But we don't have any user fee's for health care. So an income supplement for immunishaztion wouldn't be needed. It's not like shots are dental work or eye exams or elective plastic surgery.
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Its free in the sense that you pay it back later as a tax... mine totaled about 14k in uni fees that is indexed to inflation in which I pay back the government as an extra tax (about 8%) so it would take about 3 years at my current earning capacity. Also you can pay it off upfront and get a discount of about 15%.
The HECS payback doesn't kick in until you earn a certain threshold of money so technically art degrees will never have to pay back. :laugh4:
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There is no choice really.
A gay person may choose to not pursue someone of the same sex because it is frowned upon, but (s)he cannot choose who (s)he is attracted to. Just like you cannot choose to be attracted to men.
Even if homosexuality was just as accepted in our society as heterosexuality, there would be little change. Even if kids are taught that there is nothing wrong with it, the vast majority of people will be straight, a small percentage will be gay, and there will be small percentages of all types of other sexual deviations. People will act on their attractions, not who they are told to be attracted to.
The only difference would be that millions of gay people wouldnt feel so hated and miserable, or feel the need to force their lifestyle on others in an effort to be accepted by society.
There are some really bad people in this world - im not allowed to say who they are anymore - however, gays certainly arent the ones taking out trains and skyscrapers. This issue belongs on the way back burner. :shrug:
My God.
They let me have one day off from boot camp and I log in to see how things have changed in the last three weeks only to find that an ultra conservative has made one of the most sensible statements I have ever heard in the Backroom.
I have to be back by 19:00 hrs tonight to complete the rest of my training, but I can't wait to see what this place will look like when I get back.
Perhaps JAG will have joined an ultra right wing survivalist group and Eclectic will be a card-carrying ACLU member...
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Heh, Im not completely one-dimensional. :bow:
Its good to see you, your presence has definitely been missed around here. :embarassed:
I hope things are going well for you. :cheers: