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This thread is for out of character comments, questions and general interactions about the Will of the Senate PBM.
Please only post in the other more specialised threads if you are sure it belongs there. If in doubt, post here.
Thanks!
Just a note to say how pleased I am with the progress of the PBM. The campaign may be at its most interesting in terms of tactical challenges - I don't envy the next Consul having to defend against Seleucia and Conquer Carthage. We also seemed to have worked up to a healthy number of Lower House members, including at least 3 who have expressed an interest in being Consul at some point. :2thumbsup:
I'd also point out that motion 11.14 - requiring the defeat of the 2 Carthaginian armies at Melite and Sardinia - is an out of character one. There is a weird bug that means those armies are just not going to move. If the AI was operating properly, we would have lost Melite, Sardinia and Corsica by now. Requiring us to get rid of the armies is trying to establish a more realistic situation. (We could try to control the AI to take the settlements, but that requires scripting and is too much trouble IMO.)
After playing out the fall of Lepcis Magna, the army in Sardinia actually becomes active and trashes the town. :inquisitive: Weird..
hmm... maybe the original objective of that army was to go back to Lepcis Magna, and now that it change hands, a new objective was given to it?
I doubt it would land an army solely to take it back. We know for a fact the computer forgets what it was doing because of certain situations and armies sometimes become stranded for this reason, until something prompts the computer to re-issue a new order for that unit.
But we could just pass it off in RP as the army's leadership becoming indecisive after hearing about their fleets destruction, or some other silly excuse.
Phooey, nobody wants to rename a city after we conquer it? (aka Motion 11.20) Eh, maybe next voting session ~;) .
Just to let you guys know that I have my internet back at home..
...please offically move me to the lower house as an active player!
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OK, done. We now have 12 Lower House generals!!! :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Braden
Wow, am I getting trounced. :hide:
Just as a note, no hard feelings to all of those who I've spoken out against. I think I may have gotten a little bit emotional in my last in-character post.
I do believe that my strategy of raiding is the most prudent, but in no way should you think that I don't want to fight anybody. Lucjan, just remember to switch ancillaries between me and Braden for a little while, and keep those mercs coming! :charge:
Don't worry, I'll do everything I can to set you guys up for a victory, but once it gets down to the actual battle, it's all you.
Also, the name switch sounds interesting in rp, and changing settlement names is probably one of the easiest things to do, I'm just a little bit worried that doing it mid-game might cause the game to do something buggy.
Nope, nothing buggy from name changes of settlements. The actual name is in the text files so anything changed during the game is purely aesthetic. It'll be good :2thumbsup: .
Does sound like a good RP idea to rename the city in “our” honour. Also tends to rub it into those we’ve crushed…
….can we please rename at least one settlement “Baccuswaterus” in honour of Froggy? :idea2:
I can’t wait to get a battle now, but I’m not dumb enough to want to push the Consul into a position where I have an army and an Avatar not prepared properly. I’m a patient person so don’t worry.
Somewhat off topic, but I've been playing the Arthurian Total War mod, and I am very, very highly impressed with the diplomacy in it. I don't know what that team did, but they suggest playing on VH/VH, so I did, because that's how they structured the game to work best, and it is gorgeous.
I've got 5 years (same thing, 20 turns) under my belt in that as the britonic Goddodin kingdom, and in that time, on vh campaign setting, I've had 4 neighbors, 2 of which have been loyal allies and strong trade partners. One of which went to war with me briefly, I was highly outnumbered on the battlefield but managed to outmaneouver them, sacked their capital, burned everything to the ground, then abandoned it to them. When I offered them peace immediately afterwards, they accepted unconditionally. My other neighbor I'm warring with right now isn't quite beaten enough for me to actually want to request peace yet. I've taken the two towns on the way to their capital, upping my kingdom to seven towns now, and want to sack their capital too before offering a peace treaty.
If only rtr's vh diplomacy was that realistic.
Hmm how could they be able to change the diplomacy, isn't that hardcoded?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
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I don't know how they did it, but somehow, someway, they managed to make the diplomacy actually work realistically.
GAH! Missed the voting session ~:( Sorry about that. Mrs Suribachi on PC all last night, and we've been out all day today (went to Scarborough Castle, which includes the remains of a Roman signal tower, so I've at least done something Rome connected today ~;)
That's ok, after all, the Republic is nothing without strong Roman families. lol :2thumbsup: Besides, get him interested now and just imagine, in about ten years when Rome 2 comes out, :laugh4:, we can have two suribachi senators.
Unless Postman Pat or Fireman Sam served in the legions, I doubt little Suribachi will be very interested just yet ~;)
Ah, well...either way at least he's got noble intentions already. Do you have any idea what postmen get payed over here in America? You basically have to wait for one of them to die or move before you can get the job, and even then you have to try and beat out a couple hundred other applicants. Full time, full free government benefits, $17+ an hour.
Well, perhaps he'd be interested to know that the Roman vigiles were the world's first professional firefighting force.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi
Lucjan, Arthurian mod's diplomacy sounds good. Keep us updated if you would if everything continues to go well. I'm thinking it might have something to do with core attitudes, which are adjustable in 1.5 and EB has been working with heavily I believe. Perhaps RTR didn't delve into that as much as they could have?
I've actually had 2 straight years of peace right now in Arthurian TW.
I'm playing Goddodin, I'm allied to Ebrauc and Alcuyd. Neutral with Rheged but have trade rights (crushed the buggers in a year and a half, took three towns and sacked their capital, they accepted unconditional peace), and neutral with the Picts (although the picts have been at a constant state of war with my ally Alcuyd, and we fought briefly for a time before I sacked their capital too, hahaha).
Oh..and then there's Ynis Manau, once a decently powerful faction that my ally Alcuyd absorbed all but one province of. They landed an army on my coast once to try and take a town but were duly crushed, and subsequently offered me a peace treaty. I had no land borders with them, Alcuyd had absorbed them almost completely, and I had no interests in building a fleet solely to attack their last province....an island province.
I've been playing with the no retraining units rule and the must have one ship per unit rule like we do in the pbem here, because it's more fun to me, and a bit more challenging.
I'm actually kind of disappointed, I'm so happy that I'm not completely surrounded by horribly hostile nations, I almost don't want to declare war on anybody...but the picts are getting a bit too strong, and I think they're due for another sacking in a year. They had lost two provinces to Alcuyd but have recently taken one back and snatched a few rebel territories too, so I think it's time to put them back in their place.
I like that last paragraph. Occasionally, very occasionally, you'd get that state of affairs in MTW. Lots of big sprawling alliances, with everyone afraid to start a war for fear of half the map coming after them. Could last for decades until something triggered a war, then all the alliances would unravel and all hell would break loose.
Going to war with another nation should be a big decision.
Yes, but unforetunatly, the Picts decided not to give me that choice, they just seriously romped an Alcuyd army and decided, since my settlement was closer than the Alcuyd's, and I'm Alcuyd's ally, they'd come after me instead. I half expected it. But I'm still maintaining a solid peace on all other fronts. The Picts are more like a minor annoyance, they swarm you, you swat them down, burn a settlement or two, then they go away until next summer. :laugh4:
Econ, clear some space in your inbox, important message for you. :sweatdrop:
And tell those silly people clogging your inbox to stop doing so when I need to use it! :inquisitive: *Selfish whining*
Sorry - cleared up some space in my PM box.
Well, it just goes to show what a “good” soothsayer I’d make. I predicted that because the Republic was in such dire problems that there wouldn’t be many motions and the senate session would be quiet.
How wrong I was! TWO pages of Motions…..TWO! Go figure.
Anyway, NOW it seems to have gone quiet, there’s usually someone debating something IC but so far….nothing. How odd.
Some more MTW 2 screenshots.
I really like the first consul report, Lucjan, keep it up :)
The current situation reminds me of a scene in the brilliant TV series "Das Boot". IIRC there was some kind of cat and mouse situation between the main protaganists, a U-boat crew, and some allied U-boat hunters. The U-boat was forced to dive and maneouvre as quietly as it could, with one crew member saying under his breath:Quote:
Originally Posted by Braden
"Now it gets tactical."
That's where we are now in the this PBM, both the African invasion and the defence of the straits will require a lot of fine judgement on the part of the Consul. I am not sure the Senate jumping in with both feet would improve matters.
- since when has that stopped Politicians? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
M2:TW screenshots – I’ve never doubted it’ll look lush and fantastic…..I retain a healthy dose of sceptasism about game play until someone has actually got a copy though and played it.
What I can say tough is….that I really need a new computer! I’ve got M2:TW coming AND Company of Heros AND the new Warhammer Fantasy RTS…….I know for certain that the last two (that I know I want) will not run on my PC even if I do upgrade my gfx card….
Thanks :2thumbsup:. I'm trying to keep it as in character as I can. I'll try to get some better screenies next time though.
ooooh..... ~:eek:
http://www.gamespot.be/images/mediev..._large_003.jpg
Oh yeah, it does look good.Quote:
ooooh..... ~:eek:
Makes me doubt if my pc is good enough, even though running rome on High seems to work
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That was an "oooooh" said with a wince not with an "aaaahhh" ~;)
Gaaaaaaawwwwdd :dizzy2:
I just gotta share this with you guys. I've been playing a H/VH campaign trying to catch up with the PBeM from the start. All nice and peaceful mostly, not even had a war with Carthage (alough the irritating bastards landed a half-stack army with elephants near Rome, and they've been stuck there for 15 years already). Booted out Greece from Italy (Pyrrhus immediately took ship for Greece), and got alliances with the Germans, Iberians, Pontus and then Illyria, whom I was keeping an eye on, also asks for an alliance.
By far the greatest threat on H/VH is Macedon, they are truly murderous. As usual, they wiped Greece of the map and became uberpowerful.
So I see the Illyrians are down to two cities (Segestica and Appolonia) and at war with Macedon and under siege by the Thracians. I move in my consular army to Segestica and together with the Illyrians wipe the Thracians (so hard, they even sued for peace afterwards - I really love those allied battles). Then I conquer Delmatia and Salona from Macedon and give them back to Illyria. With my back covered, I make the daring move of laying siege to Pella. Macedon and I fight it out in a very tough battle (they had 3 units of hypaspitai and I was outnumbered, and to top it off, my general got himself stuck somewhere after his first charge) and I sack the town. Now Macedon is truly pissed off. I run like crazy to the south, but Macedon catches up with me with a full stack of phalanx units and 1 good general, i.e. 1950 chaps ! :sweatdrop:
And I won ! The biggest odds I ever faced on VH and I won, I only had 1100 chaps or so, half of them skirmishers or missile units. They immediately followed up with another attack, 900 versus 700 this time, which I won with ease.
Gosh, I still can't believe I pulled it off :laugh4:
The other interesting thing that happened was a unit of Gallic gaestate slaughtering 200 of my chaps (mostly principii) in a deep dark forest. These guys are truly nasty if you can't see what the hell you are doing.
Yeah you have to watch those naked bastards..
Uh...well, you don't have to watch them..you just need to keep an eye on them to...
What I mean is don't let them out of your sight..
Or..dangit..
It sounds perverted now matter how you phrase it. :help:
Are you going soft on me, senator ? ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi
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I still think a semi-historically inaccurate English Parliament would make a great basis for a M2TW version of this same PBeM. The Will of the Parliament?
Perhaps a bit premature ?
I can't wait for this style of PBEM with all the players on M2TW :2thumbsup: . Parliament, council, we can call it whatever.
I was thinking that you could run a PBeM game with a Barbarian Faction still using this format though.
You’d have a Council of Elders (Upper house) and a Warrior Caste (lower house).
The RP aspect would be that the Warrior Caste would be archetypal Barbarian sort – Honour in War and Victory etc (although it could be moulded further if each Avatar was allocated a particular God they follow and which Barbarian race they were).
This would lead to them forever butting heads with the wiser Elders who advise the King (Consul).
What are the Barbarian Factions like to play in RTR:PE? Balanced?
You could do it with the Saxons in VI, The Will of the Thane, you could do it with Britain in the (original) Napoleonic mod, The Will of Parliament, you could do it with HRE in MTW or MTW2, The Will of the Electors, or Venice in MTW2. Lots of potential options.
A lot depends on how MTW2 in implemented, eg how the missions from your elders & guilds work.
DDW, that was some impressive work, a full stack of macedonian Phalangites with +7 attack/defence is not to be sneezed at!
Theoretically you could use this style of PBeM with any faction provided you come up with a decent enough excuse. :sweatdrop:
Actually, I've been thinking of getting a laptop soon capable of running oh...whatever I want it to. Anybody have any suggestions, without breaking the bank? And I refuse to buy Alienware, I will not sell out to those commie pigs!
Did I miss something bad Alienware did?
The following is an angry, impassioned rant. If such things bother you, don't read it. If they amuse you, like they should, well then by all means continue. Actually, you know, even if they do bother you, continue, or I'll cut your arms off! I must be heard!
Their very existance is a sin. They have taken the art of gamer pc construction and turned it into yet another fad for the ignorant masses.
Perhaps if they did not blatantly flaunt themselves to every dumb joe on the street I would respect them. But no..they do not cater solely to those who care enough about their pc and their games to actually put a little intellectual work into it and learn how they operate, learn what makes them tick...no..they have sold out our bastion of nerdliness to 'normal' people.
And for this I hate them, and I can never accept their existance as being good or helpful to anyone. AlienWare, BURN IN HELL! *Storms the production plant and starts firing off rounds.*
(Not to mention I could build the same exact computer they would charge $3,000 for, for about $2,200, maybe less.)
Despite the “Anti-Communistic” bit…..I have to agree (but stop somewhat short of storming their Shop…..you can’t call it a Production Line Lucjan after that rant? That implies they “make” something :inquisitive: ).
PC owners worth their salt get proper “built to order” PC’s (which I do) or build them themselves (which I don’t on account of being a Fat, Lazy Communistic Pagan). :skull:
Suggestion for Laptop - frankly "Don't", laptops just won't ever have the same punch as Towers....however, try Dabs.com or CCLonline.com and just aim for the best you can and budget for around £1800 (GBP).
OR save £1000 and get a Tower system....with about the same power.
Honestly, I want a laptop so I can play Rome and M2TW during my hour and a half long breaks between classes at school. :wall:
maybe you should get a cheaper laptop and play STW & MTW ~:)
Sounds great :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
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I would play...errr, after a total realism mod comes out. I don't think I could stomach playing it with the vanilla version. Not enough territories and such...
Hot damn, I've just been playing Arthurian: TW for the past two days. Hell of a mod. I would not mind seeing a PBEM with that, I tell ya'. Would anyone be interested? I'd love to see the main guys from here head that one as well, same style and whatnot.
I downloaded Authurian and played it. Only played once so far, but it was really laggy. It may be that my computer is not good enough(though I can play RTW and RTR on medium-high quality with ease), or maybe I shouldn't have had iTunes and other programs running underneath it...
Lol, yeah you don't want to have other prorams running at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glaucus
Wonderland I would gladly run an Arthurian PBeM with you, maybe one using Myrddraal's multiplayer script. Send me a pm with your ideas.
Off topic, but I am in desperate need of technical help. I figure I'll ask you guys here as well as in the Apothecary, but it isn't relevant to TW. The game Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy is one of my personal favorites. Fantastic saber combat system + star wars characters and vehicles makes for an awesome FPS. I HIGHLY recommend it if you are a nerd like me and love star wars, or are in the mood for an amazing sword-fighting game. The online play is what makes it amazing, dueling with other people is simply fantastic. I think it is only like 10 bucks or something nowadays too. Anyway, back to my problem: I played it on this same computer a year ago, but when I tried to play it today it didn't work. The only changes I've made to my computer since then is to upgrade from a crap Intel video card to a Radeon 9200 and to go from 512 RAM to a gig. On the consule thing this comes up after a sort of CTD:
GLW_StartOpenGL() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
any help is much appreciated
Luc, actually I was just throwing the idea out there, hoping some of the people who run this one would be into that, as I love how this is going. I would never be able to keep the immaculate records like the one TinCow so incredibely does and have such great stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
What's the multiplayer script you speak of? Personally, I was talking about a PBEM just like this one basically, except with that mod. Would the script play into that?
Oh and also, do you think it'd be better to wait for future versions, seeing as how it's still beta 0.61 (even though it's great as-is)?
I read something about the mod currently missing some sprites which may make the battles run more slowly. It put me off trying it just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glaucus
Missing a few tiny sprites is no reason to not see this gorgeous mod.
Myrddraal wrote a script that confuses the game into stopping at specific, multiple faction turns. So you can have as many real players as you want. Actually...here's the thread.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=64876
I'd be willing to run one of these (or any other kind of Arthurian PBeM for that matter). :2thumbsup:
Alright, everything is back up and running now, off to download the last save game and have some fun.
:2thumbsup:
Sorry for the scare. lol :skull: :oops:
Ah, so each player would play as their own kingdom? I suppose that'd make more sense in a game such as this where you never really have enough money to have more than one, maybe two standing field armies. However, that kind of puts me off because we'd never actually fight the battles, only autoresolve right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
More I think of it, the more a traditional PBEM whereby you play by reign seems the best for this mod, no? Makes the most sense. It'd be pretty long reigns, if we play until the death of the leader, but be pretty interesting. There could of course be a rule to just limit it to a certain amount of years, maybe 10, which would probably be better.
Also, I love that there are no sprites as my computer can handle it and everything looks much prettier with the actual 3d all the time :2thumbsup: . Now I'm wondering if there's any way to turn off sprites for all my games?
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I forgot we're playing on platinum 1.5. Anybody have the 1.5 patch? I can't find it anywhere.
And the multi-file mn mod zip is giving me more headaches too.
you can find it here , Lucjan
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Ahhh, thank you so much both of you, except, I mean the platinum 1.5, not the regular game 1.5. :sweatdrop: My fault.
Lets see....*damns the family for playing card games on his internet and seriously narking it up yesterday..*
err... my link is for the RTRPE 1.5 It is a link set up by econ. Hope it is still working...
Ok...so..here's what's going on.
I have
RTR PE 1.5
4tpy mod
and the landblock mod all working properly.
I still need the metro naval mod, the multi-part zipped files are driving me up the wall, every time I try to open them I get a "this file is corrupted" or "these files are identical" or this here..
https://img393.imageshack.us/img393/3281/errorio1.jpg
Hmm, are you sure you're not missing a zip file - that could create such an error.
Other than that, try re downloading the metro and naval mod, as the download may have been corrupted.
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I've downloaded them three times, I'm not missing one, I tried them from two places. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=417
and here.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=596
And I can't get either to work. I've tried it with winzip and 7zip.
Ok, got the metro/naval mod to finally download from strategyinformer.com and actually unzip.
Now I need to get them all to work together...
This is like a pbem in itself, "lets get lucjian to fix his :furious3:ing game!"
:wall: I can devise the strategy and pick the right generals to, in a single turn, expel the Seleucids completely from Europe...but at the same time, I'm struggling with something as simple as zip files. :wall:
Ok...apparently, the version of the metro naval mod I actually got to work is for gold 6.3, and incompatible with pe 1.5....
All I need is a compatible metro naval mod..:furious3:
In the meantime...let me go find quintus...
Well, it's too late for this, but I put Metro-Naval on rapidshare:
http://rapidshare.de/files/33490775/...alMod.exe.html
Good luck, Lucjan!
.....turns out it was a clear cut case of "what you lost is in the last place you think to look."
Turns out the problem wasn't actually with any of the mods at all, once I got them all extracted. It was that I didn't have updated drivers installed for directx...:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
BUT!
I have the latest save loaded and working!
:2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :idea2:
Time to move on with the game!
Nice battle report, Lucjan. :2thumbsup: Well played too.
Can you brief the Senate on your plans for Afrika, Thrace and the east? Maybe I've not been paying attention, but I am curious (although I guess I know about the east). And it has gone awfully quiet in the Senate.
Great you managed to make it work again :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
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Yeah, well I had a little incident where the family decided since the computer downstairs was in use, they'd come upstairs and use mine to play card games on the internet, somewhere along the line they got me a trojan. (Don't worry, this is long after I had uploaded any save games anywhere.)
And the only way I could get rid of it (it survived three anti spyware removers and norton...) was to do a destructive system restore back to the factory settings. I lost everything...:shame:
So they are now banned from usage up here by way of those wonderful user passwords.
Oh..btw, sending quintus libo his orders now. Wanted to last night, but the forums were down. :inquisitive:
EDIT - Also, the first consul report has been updated and their is a new battle report. Enjoy.
EDIT 2 - And sure, I'll let the senate know what my plans are...but maybe somebody should ask?? It's gotten awful quiet in there.
Well, that was a worrying 8hrs for me.....forums down! Was that just me though :inquisitive:
Anyway, looking forward to getting into action on this PBeM although I still don't have any internet (now they're blaming the Router.....fools!), I can use good old fashioned floppy disks to transfer the .sav files :idea2:
No, I was Org-less for a day as well ~:(
I will be out of the country from Sept 22 to Oct 4. I can still fight battles if needed for the next two days, but after that please move me to the Upper House.
Tincow! How dare you leave me with only 11 lower house senators! :sweatdrop:
lol, hope you have a nice trip. We'll be waiting for your return.
Guess I'll just have to pick up the slack then.......:sweatdrop: