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Hey,
Will All of you Old MP Players (like me) going to play online,or no? Will anyone of you new people care to tryout the MP:egypt: or will you MP Guys wait for a good/bad verdict??
I'm going to jump right into it,because of my clan BHC,which needs my upmost attention..
Man, you're obsessive about this aren't you :laugh4:
I'll probably concentrate on my HRE long campaign first, but I imagine I'll pop in every once in a while, crush players such as yourself, and then go back to conquering :2thumbsup:
if the interface isn’t as horrible as Romes and all the games are compatible I will. I have gold edition and there barley any games I can play and for those I usually get one of those stinking totally uninformative "failed to join game" errors.
Yes I am. I'll do some Customs battles before I go onlnie, famialize myself with the stuff..
Crush players like me, I been around 2 years 7 months online, I like to see what you can do on MTW2 :-) :-)
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Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
Oh, I've beaten you before mate...
...that's what a lot of studying :book: various troop formations in custom battles can do :yes:
:inquisitive:Quote:
Will All of you Old MP Players (like me)
Thats a bold statement for someone who almost only have seen the rotten era of rtw. :dizzy2:
Nothing wrong with a little boldness though but you need a little bonk on the head :smash:
:2thumbsup:
Kalle
Gah, if I find you online Kalle, I will teach some "new" MP players buisness .. ~;)
Period of times means squat to do with skill, especially with a new game.Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
I will probably play a campaign as England and Scotland then go to multiplayer. While doing the campaign I will probably still go to multiplayer sometimes only because of Clan duty :egypt:
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Originally Posted by Kalle
I been alround for both and towards the ending of MTW
Monarch, yes, but Unlike most of you, I have Expericen with the First MTW, which will carry over to MTW2 :egypt:
I'm giving the multiplayer aspect of the game a go :2thumbsup: :clown:
I've player some of SHogun's multiplayer, But my main chucnk of Multiplaying comes from Medieval, since i barely touched Rome's, it was bad.
If they can make Medieval 2's multiplayer near as good, as the multiplayer was during Medieval:TW:VI i just might give it a go
Perhaps.
I'll give it a long try and then see whether it is worth staying or not.
Its not like I am going to spend much time on SP for sure.
I won't be able to play it though until early december. Guess that gives them hopefully enough time to release the first patch.
Only games I play online are FPS, I only play strategy games for campaigns/custom battles.
MP battles are like Custom battles Dan.06, only your opponent/s are HI not AI. MP attraction depends on the quality of the server and lobby, which is why nobody bothered with Rome or BI. With a smooth server like MTW and VI and a lobby of STW standard, MP would be enjoyable providing the balance is better than awful mess of RTW
.......Orda
Very much Correct Orda. One Reson alot of "Old" players left RTW, and some even left TW for good, was because there was to many people using high money and greece and such, Bugs, To many Ploblems with GS and such. if things get fix in MTW2, mabye it will change for the better..
There already is a patch that will be released on first day, jay! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempiic
Until then, we could only dream the dream of gory days :D
Annie
~:eek: but Annie! ... ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyAnn
I am surprised that no one mentions NTW2. If I may say so it is a BLOODY good game. ~D
And yes you have quality opponents. ~;)
You misunderstood me. Let me offer an anecdote:Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
You could give a monkey a computer and let him play total war for 50 years, he'd still be rubbish. The amount of time you play, doesn't mean you'll be any good.
Indeed. Even the biggest MTW MP "vet" will need time to familiarize himself with the units. It's not because you have MTW experience that you will automatically "pwn" everyone else. It's like Chess: You have a large chance of defeating a newcomer, but the newbie can actually hurt you and even win from time to time. In MTW, I had a nasty surprise from a newbie and he kicked my ass so hard, I returned to single player battles in order to train myself a bit more. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Monarch
Anyway, I hope M2TW online is way more stable than RTW online. If it is and I can find some "mature" players (aka players that don't spam the uberunit to death), I will stick around.
I will be playing MP almost exclusively. I know a couple of other old FEAR members who are waiting for MTW2, so we may see the rise of a few old clans.
I hope the lobby is better this time around.
Cromwell
MTW and MTWVI MP was great fun. I played it far, far more than the campaigns. Im very excited to see if theyve made it better since the huge letdown RTW was.
:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalle
LunaRossa clan will be on the battleground again :yes: I hope with all the ancient clans
What happened to FearofNC.. He decided to get back in game (In BI) and revive FEAR clan a few months back.. I even had a couple of games with himQuote:
Originally Posted by cromwell
(In which I won, but he thought that the game was imbalanced through that.. I had 6 units of tanks (Gah, yes tanks <--- Clibs) that simply were able to kill both his army and his ally's (RTKDagonet))but he shows no more.. Has he forgot about it or anything?
nothing
lol 6 clibs, must have been a great, thrilling tactical game v_v
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Originally Posted by Monarch
think I also got misunderstood.
I meant, I got expericene from the first MTW,that will carry over, but yes, I will need time to famailize myself with the new units and such before I can be back Old School Again..
I'll go to MP immediately after install, to see if it works, and what kind of hoops one needs to jump thru to get a game. Probably/hopefully play a game or two using random units just to test the server. If you're looking for an easy early win, look for me. :)
If it's a big hassle, I'll stay away for awhile until issues get resolved, and start SP campaigns, to learn the finer details of the game.
I plan on diving into the MP experience in M2TW but probably not after I've played the campaign for some time. Singleplayer still has first position in my heart.
Tried MP a bit for R:TW but it was just too repulsing to keep it up. I hope my main hindrance in M2:TW will be my crappy computer for the first few months until I get around to upgrading my system.
Cheers!
Ituralde
Hah. I dont want to sound too bad. NTW2 looks very good and the designers did really put lots of work in it which is showing clearly in the game. Unfortunately, it still suffers from the same problems RTW does, which are all related to the battle engine. And cannot be modded away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheetah
One major flaw is that it is completely irrelevant whether a shooting unit is deployed thinly or deeply for shooting effectiveness. In fact deploying in depth actually makes them much more effective shooters since they'll occupy less room so you can have more units on a smaller front... So I really rather play NTW 1 instead. On the other hand I really hope translating NTW 2 to M2TW would be a relative easy thing to do.
I`ll probably dip my feet in the mp from time to time for the first few months. The sp side of the totalwar games has always been my favourite aspect. Once Ive finished a few campaigns i`ll prob jump online and get trained by my clanmates, it saves having to figure out everything myself :)
I would be most happy to see LunaRossa on the field again :2thumbsup: Aswell as Fears and others :2thumbsup:Quote:
LunaRossa clan will be on the battleground again I hope with all the ancient clans
Kalle
I'll definitely give M2TW MP a try, let's say for a month or two. Then we shall see if it worth raising the clans :)
Annie
depends...
i'm more optimistic about the demo than rome's...
but i'll still need to wait and see some reactions of how the lobby is, and how well the game actually functions.
i think i need a new graphics card, after the lag i got in the demo, so it'd be a bigger upgrade to play than i want or can afford.
I dont plan on getting M2TW so no MP for me.
CBR
The game runs fine on my machine, but I can't play multiplayer because AthlonXP cpu is not supported.
Puzz3D, I read your explanation for that, and I have to say something.. Maybe AthlonXP vs AthlonXP works? As I guess both CPU-s with count/calculate the same..
FearofNC was playing a few months ago, we had a few great games together and he was still as good as ever. NC moved from Hawaii back to the mainland, and I think he's trying to get his personal life back up and running.
FearSimbol will also be back once MTW2 is out, so I look forward to playing with both.
Maybe AMP will come back too!!
Later
Cromwell
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Originally Posted by CBR
why won't you get MTW2 m8? Want to wait to hear what other vets say or just don't like it? just curious.
Yea, I like to see alot of the old MTW clans (like mine) raise up again,be good.
It depends on the quality of the multiplayer mode. Is it playable like MTW Vi, Is 3vs3 and 4vs4 possible (without lag and with normal sized units (no 20 men cav units LoL), how stable is the mp mode. If you can say yes to all points, I will play M2TW MP. Otherwise I don't buy the game.
This is the main worry with MP. I honestly can't see it being as smooth and lag free as VI. I have my doubts whether a 4v4 will actually be possible, even on highest spec machines. Silly small units just don't look right. At least the RTW Spam fest may have been addressed but of course, the demo tells us little about balance. If the balance is similar to RTW it won't be worth botheringQuote:
Originally Posted by |Heerbann|_Di3Hard
.......Orda
I just dont like what I have seen in the demo. Sure the movement has been reduced, but apart from that its just the RTW engine with a few changes. Not enough for me to start enjoying it Im afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
CBR
Mabye it won't be So Bad
MP wise, it will make or break the way I like MP. if it bad, I ay play it for years to come online, or I may just leave the RTW/MTW2 MP and go to the Orginial MTW/VI, where I am now. If it Good, OFC I will Stay.
Same...sort of. I find MP for fun over a longer period of time, I like 1, maybe two campaigns but then get bored quick of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishazu
But ye, like Wish, I'll play MP after a campaign or two :2thumbsup:
I doubt I'll be playing any standard MP battles, but a couple of my friends and I are very interested in playing against each other in some of the historical battles the game is supposed to include. My old roommate in particular is eager to lock horns with me in some of the French-English and English-Scottish battles that will hopefully be included. ~D I'm also looking forward to engaging my pals in some of the Crusader battles, although I have to hear which ones will be in the game.
Didn't have the opportunity to try MP with RTW. So i guess with broadband internet and a good video card i'll probably give it a try with MTW2.
I'm playing the demo without using "pause" these days in order to get more familiar with MP.
Now that everyone had a chance to say something...
*jester's hat on*
LadyAnn doesn't "do" any MP :)
Anniep
Hi IMP m8 nice to see you again :beam: did you ELITES try Guild Wars too? I'm sure I saw you sometime in the game :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheImp
Oh come on! We all knwo you'll get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CBR
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Originally Posted by LadyAnn
lol Ann, nice joke
Yea I used to do GW, but I lost interest in it every 1-2 months :sweatdrop: :shame:
Yeh first thing ill probs do is have a few games online with ppl i know, just having a laugh and seeing what comes out of the use of different units...
Then ofc ill attempt in conquering the world with England :book:
Don't forget that your first game Should be Against, The King of All Kings, KingWarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmannnnnnnn 88
(quits doing his UFC annocers voice)
Yes, there is a Elite Force guild in Guild War... I saw Fogolin playing for them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinsitor
On Topic: if I play MTW2 at all, it will be MP, I won't bother for SP/ campaign game at all. Will that happen? If MTW2 is like RTW, no. I'll rely on LadyAnn, Tempiic and Froggy feedback to make my opinion...
Louis,
Yes. So what?Quote:
Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
What exactly is this Elite Force guild? Never heard of it.
As for guild wars, i played it twice. The graphics are nice but it remains a MMORPG, meaning not really RP but more or less another disguised Hack&Slash.
If u are interested with good roleplaying experience, buy NWN2. It will surely provide more intensive roleplay immersion than any MMO on the market.
My dream would be to have a game that combines CA rts/turnbased strategy game engine with NWN roleplaying engine. This game would be awesome. Like u roleplay your general, have it command huge armies on the field and manage a realm.
And if possible, in Westeros, from A song of Ice and Fire saga. Ah dreams... :embarassed:
Back on TOPIC: LadyAnn, dress up with your lovely Joan of Arc suit and meet us on the field. Come on, don't be shy :2thumbsup:
Yea, I hope MTW2 is better. It looks ok from what I read from he MP Blog, but I and alot of other people can't tell untill the actual game comes out.
Maybe a mistake, vinsitor may believe your Elite of Imperator, or another Elite. Elite Force is a very old german clan in TW. I don't know if they play RTW at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheImp
They also play Guild War and were ranked in the 100...
Louis,
No, i get way too into the campaign.
Yes you're right :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe
:oops: Sorry Imp for the misunderstanding, btw LunaRossas were allied with Kenchi in Shogun and with Elites too in Medieval. Ahhh what good times they were :yes:
PS: and I would for sure be very happy to see again LunaRossa's ancient "enemies" Wolves too :yes:
If you're talking of Grey Wolves, they've stopped playing RTW now but have already declared their intentions to play m2, at least at the start.
http://forums.grey-wolves.net/
Pas de prob, Vincitor. I'm a kind of newbie of Total War series and played only RTW campaigns so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinsitor
But i would be interesting in MP, must be cool to battle 2vs2 for example. Do the guilds specialize in one army usually, like a german guild taking HRE all the time?
Not Really Imp,to my knowledge anyhow. We usally call them "clans" instead of "guilds". Some 2v2 teams may specailze in certain areas or something, but clans, not off hand I do.
So, you should be able to play with other AthlonXPs with no problems.. Rrrright?Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzz3D
The geographic-centric or language-centric clans such as Elite (German) or LunaRosa (Italian) or Centiberos (Spanish) or Les Marechaux (French), etc. would recruit from a common denominator, either by location or by language. But when they played, they would use the best armies for the situation.
We would expect nothing less from them :D
Anniep
That doesn't help me play with my clan against other clans. It also doesn't help you because AthlonXP users might be in your games.Quote:
Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
So, it is not just AthlonXP in-compatible, it is all in all in-compatible (Which is where I was trying to get to). This basically means that MP is ruined all in all in M2TW, simply because a huge percentage of people have AthlonXPs..
Now, doesn't this feel wrong?!
Weee! I'm important! :tongueg:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe
I hope I'll be playing a bit of MP. If the rest of the Freedom Fighters are back then I shall be. If not likely I won't be either; our disappointments with RTW are very similar and so if the game doesn't suit some of us it's nearly certain it won't suit any of us.
[FF]frogbeastegg.
What was wrong exactly with RTW MP?
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Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
Well, can't the AthlonXP people play other ppl wtih AthlonXP comps then??
Probably, but what makes you think they will do that? Most players are not going to be aware of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
Puzz3D, are you sure of this Athlon XP thing? Because if yes, hell am not getting M2: TW!!!
Kenchikuka will be also looking forward to Medieval 2, in frail hope it will be on the same gameplay and tactical field as the original. However, being based on the RTW engine one has his serious doubts. But we shall wait and see.
If the call to war is valid, our flag will rise once again as in the past.
...from a ghost of the past =) A salute to Tosa and the rest for maintaining this good old place in a great shape!
of course Puzz..
Yea Kenchikuka,hopefully you guys and the rest will come back :-)
I think you can't Judge MTW2 just because RTW was horrible,we all know that, but It might be the same, it might not. Even with two demos, we don't really know untill the actual game comes out.
Wrong at multiple levels, compound together making it untenable.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheImp
Don't want to make it sounds like whining, but here are some that came on top of my head:
FOYER:
1. color scheme red/yellow make it hard to the eye
2. difficult to maintain private convo and public convo (compared to MTW foyer)
3. cannot ban/ignore idiots
4. hard to know at a glance your buddy is on or in game
5. when your buddy goes in and out of game, he/she is deselected from your list of whom you are talking to. But you didn't know that. So you may end up talking to nobody the whole time and your friend was wondering why nobody was talking to him/her
The above making the foyer very unfriendly place.
GAME ENGINE
1. Impossible to play 4x4 and even 3x3, it is hard to get a decent frame rate, so people played at Normal, which as only 40 men per unit. That made the game looks like school kids running around in playground, not real armies.
2. Cav jumped over spears and kill a lot.
3. Speed of marching is too high, making attack/defense chancy.
4. Speed of units relative to each other is ridiculous: cav can't catch skirmishing archers sometimes.
5. Charge bonus loss when use waypoints (unit stop running in waypoints)
6. Archers could fire from all rank.
BALANCE
Everything is wrong :) Just kidding.
Balance is not bad when play at low denarii (6.5k to 8k) But people insists playing at 15k, which allows filling up the all 20 slots of roman army with legions and roman cav, or 20 cataphracts. Or 20 maidens.
PLAYERS
much less friendly, much less willing to learn. After beating the greek phalanx box for 100 times, I don't feel like beating them again. There is no skill to order 20 cataphracts in wedge running around in single group, overlapping each other.
Very Well Said LadyAnn. People Usally play 12.5K-15K, because 6-8.5K is way way to low for RTW.
RTW MP was and still is horrilbe. Some people are willing to learn and such,but you got majorty of people who don't even care about the history of the clan they joined, yet who they play.
Time for some arguing..
Well, it is because of the machines not keeping up with the game, not the game or game engine being bad.Quote:
1. Impossible to play 4x4 and even 3x3, it is hard to get a decent frame rate, so people played at Normal, which as only 40 men per unit. That made the game looks like school kids running around in playground, not real armies.
Well, that was fixed, so no need to talk about.Quote:
2. Cav jumped over spears and kill a lot.
Gah bah doh.. I wonder how can we live through it.. ~;)Quote:
3. Speed of marching is too high, making attack/defense chancy.
Fatigue.Quote:
4. Speed of units relative to each other is ridiculous: cav can't catch skirmishing archers sometimes.
You gotta stay in the argument ;)
The question was "What wrong with RTW MP":
1. Precisely. I rather have MTW engine than RTW engine if the machines can't keep up with the engine. If it were doable in MTW, why not in RTW? "The graphics is much better" the argument goes. What's the use of better graphics but you can't play? BTW, there are plenty of people who didn't realize how poor their machines were and insist on playing with highest resolutions, reflections, grasses, shadows, smokes, etc. They play with background tasks running, etc.
2. Again, I said that was what's wrong for RTW, not M2TW. If it was fixed, good!
3. I clarify:
One unit attack another. Both started as stationary. The defending unit was watching the attacking unit. In one scenario, the defending saw the attacking unit start marching. The defending unit could issue a counter. In another scenario, the defending couldn't see the attacking unit marching, but when they actually see it, the attacking unit is already at melee distance. There is absolutely no chance to issue any counter. It has nothing todo with game play or skill. Speed in STW is fast, yet people could see and react.
4. Fatigue is broken.
You mean an infantry could run as fast as a horse until both get tired? :D
Annie
Well that's the unlucky thing about it isn't it? RTW was a victim of its 'success.'
STW and MTW were perhaps much uglier than Rome, harder to the initiate but they were the best top-down tactical strategy I ever played, and I played a lot There was little attention to the niceties, if 4x4 lagged you just lowered the resolution or detail and you were good to go. Units were ugly, but who cared?
To play big battles in Rome you have to lower the resolution and detail, which had big side effects. For example, I could not distinguish units from distance. Of course, I could just hover my cursor over it, or double-click the unit to get an awesome 3-d close-up view of it. But (at least myself) I was used to other things, such as micro-managing my army to the last detail. In STW/MTW units were ugly 2-d sprites, but for tactical purposes they served much better than any 3-d award-winning feat of technology. Grouping was ackward, and the advantages of it limited. Anyway, overall it was simply a very different game.
The points mentioned above by LadyAnn just add to the bad flavor. We had a tight-knit community once (not free of drama :)) then I read about online chat being disabled because of too many kids posting crap on it. What the hell was that?
The final thing is, horrible as it is, RTW was by far the highest-rated TW game by mags and sites worldwide, and probably attracted more buyers and gamers than both the previous TW games put together,
So it wasn't perhaps 'horrible'. It was great for many, but perhaps horrible for us who remembered Total War in a very different manner.
Now, who tells me MTW2 is back to the roots and that RTW was a 'mistake'?
For sure we can lag each other to death with MTW2 :))
That will be some long lasting battles.
Anyway Tera, been playing the demo extensively and I predict that cav is still going to be the main offensive weapon, it is still very powerfull.
And I foresee a huge deabte over the level of denaris. been playing with valor 0
units, battles are over a lot quicker due of faster routing than the original demo.
Then again they might have fixed that in the later version. I am not pessimistic about it though. the feel is very similar as MTW.
Lag is going to be a big problem whatever setting and it is not only the graphics causing it. Did test with RTW lan games when it just came out. The game itself is simpy very demanding for a cpu.
Palamedes said AthlonXP cpu was not supported for MP. I don't foresee the game having a feature which prevents AthlonXP users from playing online. If it does, there won't be a problem for non-AthlonXP users. If it doesn't have such a feature, you're going to have to ask the players in the game if they have an AthlonXP cpu or just take your chances and hope that the battle doesn't desync. Even if an AthlonXP is in the battle, there is a chance it could work ok, but all the battles won't work ok because, if they did, then AthlonXP would be supported for MP. We don't know how severe the problem is yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by x-dANGEr