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Who is WORSE?
It's a matter of opinion really..
But I'll say Hitler. He went off the rails and lost the war.
It becomes a question of what "worse" is: Number of dead or total destruction?
To me, the question is pointless. They were both bad, and let's hope we never see anything like it again.
Quite a disturbing question really; wonder what motivated that.
currently reading 'One day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich' about a prisoner of one of Stalin's Siberian Gulag's. But at least Stalin had no incinerators in his camps.
The damage of Hitlers Focused hatred is still a scar on all our history.
Personally I prefer Road Runner or Wily : who was most bad...
I think that Road Runner was just plain evil....
just my opinion :clown:
Hitler intended to kill people. Stalin just didn't care if a few million died while reforming the industries.
Hard to say but for my money Most Evil Barstard circa WW2 has to go to..........
It's a draw.
Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker who with their business associates at Brown, Root and Harriman, now a subsidiary of Haliburton, financed the NAZI party from its infancy. They eventually become Hitlers bankers and supplied a lot of oil, spare parts, etc; to the NAZI war machine. A Congressional Trial, post Pearl Harbour, exonerated them of the charges of "dealing with the enemy".
No political party or war gets off the ground without someone throwing copious amounts of money at them. Killing masses of people in the cause of a demented ideology is ordinary "being completely plain insane". Providing the financial platform to enable the killing masses of people in the cause of a demented ideology in order to simply make a huge monetary profit takes "the Most Evil Barstard cake" in my books.
I'll vote Stalin. Hitler managed to recover Germany at least.
Hitler FTW!
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This topic really doesn't belong in a fuzzy place like the EH.
Anyway, :inquisitive:
Hitler. Period.
Hello, the purges? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Innocentius
Anyway, I vote for Mao :devil: .:skull:
I voted Hitler as he started the war, was responsible for the Holocaust, and his Lebensraum policy called for the extermination of the Slavs. As rotten as he was, Stalin never tried to exterminate an entire ethnic group AFAIK.
I voted for caravel. He was easily the worst after executing thousands of prisoners, and installing Windows 98SE on his computer.
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Originally Posted by Caravel
I suggest you send it too the Backroom where some poor moderator can look after it there. :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
two things one i don't think there is a criterion to decide. can you say it by who started the war or who manipulated who or their dealings with political enemies or who killed more people or why
without a specific critea u can't really decide
also i just think its funny the thread creator is a junior member when this gets moved to the monestary and the junior members can't touch it
sadly i'm a junior member to and it just happened to me but i think its funny personally
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MWAHAHAH
Stalin had a better moustache.
I thought that too.. :idea2:Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
i love u
stalin wins world war mustache:2thumbsup:
Yes, before he turned Europe into a pile of rubble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orb
Hitler both of them were murderers but that was Hitlers plan all along to exterminate the jews,slavs,and other people who he considered inferior:skull:
...and Comrade Stalin transformed a giant farming village into an industrial super power that rivaled nations for years to come....Quote:
Originally Posted by Orb
We will recover...
But hitler inly ruled for 12 years! Stalin went onfor ages, plus he slaughtered people when they revolted, like The Czech's, they got killed over a riot( nearly killed) plus stalin, like hitler, had secret police, they were both bad, but hitler the worst.
Come on, what a question. Bet on soccer games or anything if you wanna talk about "vs."
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My all-time evil favorit is Garry Oldman in "Leon"...click...click....
Two nasty bastards if you ask me.
Very similar in many way moreover (take a look at the parallel biographies by A. Bullock if you are interested).
Both killed millions of people to carry out their own crazy "grand design" but I would say that to me Hitler is worse because of the racial element "justifying" its deeds. At least with Stalin there was at least a small theoretical possibility to demonstrate that you had ceased to be the enemy he had dreamt all about.
... history is always strange .. tri not to make decisions to quickly .. What one did in a period of 4 yeas the other did in 15 ... so the question is not relevant ... reed obout it ... and yes when it comes down to numbers Stalin is the winner here ... and he "loved" jews ... if you get what i mean ..
just because the allies chose the lesser worse of tho ? at least one was not playing innocent .. no offence ..
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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER
Yes; and Trotsky was a very dear friend of his. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dexter
Not true. Hitler's plan wasn't all along to kill the Jews. He actually thought he could defeat the UK and then force them to let Germany use there Navy to ferry all of the Jews in Europe to Madagascar. If you don't believe me look it up in wikipedia.:whip: That was called the Madagascar Plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Revan
They were both pure evil, so I vote : :gah2:
well, Hitler was worse in my opinion. He used not only revenge, but religion as a tool to kill people. He even tried, but failed, to keep his own people from knowing just how many people he had killed. He served in WW1 and was so broken by the lose and Treaty of Versailles (sp?) that he vowed his revenge.
Stalin, on the other hand, was a victim of human nature. After overthrowing the gov't and czars of Russia, he became corrupt witrh power. He had Lenin kicked out, hunted down, and tried to kill him in order to rulle the Communist party.
By denotation, there is not much wrong with communism, even the U.S. was communist as the colonies were being formed. But he stretched the truth for more power, sold his people's food for more money and weapons, and caused the death of anyone who revolted, rebeled, even spoke out against his rule.
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Originally Posted by dacdac
Not true he had Trosky killed not Lenin. Lenin died in the mid 1920s then it was a power struggle between Stalin and Trosky which Stalin won. Trosky was eventually assassinated in Mexico I believe with an Ice Pick to the back of the head.
Getting back to the all important moustaches. I think Stalin's was better than Hitler's, though Hitler would have beaten Stalin on hygiene. Stalin's would have caught far more soup than Hitlers, of that I've no doubt. After a few days the flies would have started buzzing around the bits of chicken and spuds and carrots stuck in there. Hitler's on the other hand would not have trapped as much food, so he wins.
Hitler VS Stalin?
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I'd put my money on Stalin.
Now, let's get ready to rumble !
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ok guys all that is water under the bridge take a look at germany today
and the take a look at russia
i know witch country i'd prefer to live in:whip:
Stalin was the boy who punched little kids in the stomach and stole their lunch money.
Hitler was the little boy who got punched in the stomach and had his lunch money stolen one time too many.
Can't really compare the two in terms of Evilness considering it is a subjective term. But if I was an (Aryan) German I'd rather have Hitler as my leader, rather being a Russian and having Stalin as my leader. If I was in the Holocaust I'd rather have neither one as my leader.
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Originally Posted by Vladimir
I don't see anyone mentioning the fact that AFTER the war the "liberated" Russian POWs in the concentration camps just got sent to Gulags. Isn't that lovely, you have survived a death camp, NOW WORK IN OUR LABOUR CAMPS!
THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS RUSSIAN POWS ONLY RUSSIAN TRAITORS!!!!
Stalin was responsible for the deaths of more of his OWN people. Statistically Stalin was worse. Whether his moustache looped twelve times around his head and went in his ears and out his nostrals he was worse, I believe.
It's stupid and pointless to compare two characters from two different countries for different periods of time. Sure, Stalin killed a lot. Now, convert those figures to percentages of their country's population, and find the average killed-per-year % from that.
Also, to say that Hitler caused ALL the deaths in WWII is ludicrous. The Japanese were fighting a war before your European one, Nanjing massacre anyone? Also, ever heard of the Soviet war machine's one rifle per 3 (or was it 5) people figure? They also posted machine-guns to gun down people who were running from the battle.
All the Aryan rubbish as well... guess what it's for... SCAPEGOATING! Hmm, never thought of that, did we? The Nazi's NEEDED a scapegoat to blame Versailles and the hell after it, a scapegoat THEY could save Germany from by destroying, ONLY IF VOTED INTO POWER.
As for Stalin's political killings, those were to keep himself alive. In a dog-eat-dog world, if you didn't do that, you'd die and just be replaced by someone else like you.
I voted Stalin, but if Harry Truman was up there I would have voted for him as he was the first to drop a nuclear bomb.
Really dunno who's worse, the lying, scheming, racist, who subverted and destroyed democracy in home country, invaded his neighbours and started the largest war to date, or the lying, scheming, paranoid delusional farm boy turned politician, who destroyed any hope of communism and instead promoted a mix of fascism and socialism.
Both were horrendous mass murders, luckily Hitler was defeated in just over a decade.
I have to put in post here,the madagascar plan is not ture! ! You are allowed to put your own info in the wiki. Someone has obviously inserted some nonsense which some people actually believe. It is not true. The Nazi soldier's were killing jews on the street, everywhere! That was demoralizing to the soldier's so Adolf Eichmann oredered them to get extermination camps, they had to run that by Hitler first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Kulaks, Wolga-Germans, Ukranians, even Jews were frequently deported towards the Gulags. Altough one cannot speak of exterminating an entire ethnic group, Stalin's policy could be considered racist ... and yes, that is quite ironic for an ideology that claims to be 'communist'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix
I voted for Stalin. He was responsible for the deaths of millions, the unfortunate occupation of several countries in Eastern Europe with also a high death toll. But both men have put their mark on history. One may not forget both dictators also did good things, because as future historian, I believe the world is not black and white but filled with unlimited variations of grey. It would be unwise to say: Hitler Evil, Stalin Evil. One should look at these men from their own time period.
Did either ever actually personally kill anyone?
Hmmm?
No matter I guess.
They were indeed monsters, devoid of the compassion that makes us grater than the beasts. But they could not have done anything alone. They were enabled buy those around them, who can only be judged as worse, as they had the ability and opportunity to stop them.
Word :yes:
I believe the world is not black and white but filled with unlimited variations of grey. It would be unwise to say: Hitler Evil, Stalin Evil.
That is what I believe too. Had Russia continued with Lenin's plan for agriculture then the Soviets would almost certainly have done infinitely worse during the German invasion. Hitler rebuilt Germany and also, although the war was horrible, it made Europe a much more stable place. This doesn't excuse what they did, but they were a nessicary historical force and without them the world wouldn't be what it is today. It may also not be such a good place too.
I have to put in post here,the madagascar plan is not ture! !
I am pretty sure it is true but was a plan. It proved impractical because the problem was that when France surrendered they couldn't reach Madagascar because the British controlled the Suez Canal and they couldn't go around the long way and go past South Africa, so it was abandoned until they enacted the final solution. There were also plans for the invasion of Ireland but just because it wasn't put into action doesn't mean it isn't true.
This still goin on? Plain and simple...hitler was waay worse. Stalin killed for his country, Hitler killed to soothe his own hatred. Plaus Hitlers regime killed loads more people, and decimated half of Europe, plundering evrything in sight. DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED.
No, Stalin just didn't mind if everyone was exterminated except for the Communists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix
Quote:I am pretty sure it is true but was a plan. It proved impractical because the problem was that when France surrendered they couldn't reach Madagascar because the British controlled the Suez Canal and they couldn't go around the long way and go past South Africa, so it was abandoned until they enacted the final solution. There were also plans for the invasion of Ireland but just because it wasn't put into action doesn't mean it isn't true.[/QUOTE]
But basiclly Madagascar was a death camp because of all the lions, bugs and diseases, he was still killing 'em!
Lions, I thought they were Lemurs!!??
I voted Stalin.
Communist (there is the ticket to Hell right there)
Stalin's paranoia is worse than Hitlers Final Solution.
Stalin killed thousands of Red Army Officers, Farmers, Workers, Officials, Jews, Homosexuals, Democrats, Fascists, and others. Is bulk worse than specific genocide?
His oppresive regime caused needless Red Army Casualties (Purge, Winter War, WW2), where men were simply thrown against the enemy, the officers so afraid of independence, of the purge, the commissars that men were wasted in fruitless frontal assaults.
They both brought their nations out of economic decline, but Stalin's economy really helped Eastern Europe!
Stalin is responsible for North Korea (okay Mao involved his troops, but where did those T-34's come from? The MiGs?)
Hitler was just as paranoid, and I'm NOT DEFENDING THE HOLOCAUST, but the killing of 3 Million Jews against the killing Millions of Soldiers and People in Gulags and Prisons?
Unfortunately, Hitler will win out because he was so odd. Mark my words.
Historical moustaches are best discussed in the Monastery.
Moved.
You guys know what's funny? If you ask Germans who was worse, nine out of ten will opt for Hitler. If you ask Russians, nine out of ten will opt for Hitler, too.
well, he WAS waorse
Hitlers mo and exagerated hand movements whilst speaking sort of makes him look like a crazed militant Charlie Caplain. Lenins walrus would look cool after sculling a stien of really frothy beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caravel
But basiclly Madagascar was a death camp because of all the lions, bugs and diseases, he was still killing 'em!
I didn't say that it was going to be a paradise. But what were Stalin's gulags? Were they just little buisinesses. If you didn't do enough work one day you got less rations. When you have less rations how are you meant to work harder?
Sending the Jews to Madagascar meant that Hitler was indirectly killing them off, the same applies for the gulags.
Stalin was paranoid, Hitler was insane. Stalin feared everything, were in Hitler feared nothing. Basically why I voted for Hitler.
And yes, Stalin wins World War Mustache most definitely. However, Churchill wins World War Fatty.
Like it was said, atleast Stalin turned the USSR into a world superpower after WWII. Atleast he had that legacy to show. All Hitler did was bring a country way up, then smash it to the ground. They were both evil, but I voted Hitler.
actually, hitler was skitzefrenic and VERY paranoid. Cant argue with the insane part.Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerVX
haha about the churchill fatty thing, but qiut messin with him.
The terms of the question are not clearly defined and invite all kinds of hyperbole and totaly subjective arguments.
Worse in what way?
The argument that Hitler was worse because his genocide was intentional while Stalins was only coincidental is a weak argument. Hitlers genocide could also be explained as coincidental to his plan for domination by the germanic race.
Hitler wanted the germanic race to dominate and used genocide as a tool to acheive that goal.
Stalin wanted Communism to dominate and used genocide as a tool to acheive that goal.
One has merely to look at the Ukraine situation to have an idea of what I am talking about.
Personaly I think Hitler was worse because he lost the war. Victory being the primary measure of "better or worse" in war.
Voted Hitler because I think he would have eventually caused more death and suffering than Stalin, had he actually won the war.
Well I voted Hitler, as he was the only one of the two who actually invaded and occupied my country. As far as total bodycount goes, Stalin may be worse but in my opinion when we're talking about millions of dead people it's just too hard to pick one above the other...
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Morally, Hitler.
Statistically, Stalin.
About destroying democracy... the people voted Nazi and KPD knowing fully well that they intended to destroy democracy. If anything, blame the German people for that.
Hitler was a soldier in WWI so probably did kill someone, having won the Iron Cross.
Stalin did not fight 'for his country' as it was. He was Georgian, and plenty of Georgians died under him.
If Hitler had won the war there would have been mass GENOCIDE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Conqueror
Hitler's "if he won plans":
- all Jews/Muslims/all other religions that are not Christianity must be EXTERMINATED.
- anybody without blonde hair and blue eyes must die.
- all foreign leaders and opposition must be beaten and then killed.
- must have several lictors carrying an axe and a bundle of reads behind me.
- must have large posters all over the world proclaiming how good I am.
- everybody must greet each other by saying "HAIL HITLER"
- everybody must speak German or die.
Hitler was mean, but Stalin would have blasted us to peices with NUKES (much worse than being beaten to death by Hitler). Also Stalin was communist (facist is better - the Romans were sort of facist).
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Originally Posted by AdrianII
Stalin-killed more. Did nothing really good.
I guess Stalin summed it pretty well.
"A Single Death is a Tragedy; a Million Deaths is a Statistic."
Hitler never had something against the other religions. He had a muslim SS division. He wanted to kill all jews because he thought they were less human, the same way as the slave traders and most people in the Christian world thought negro's were lesser people. He also wanted to kill all gipsy's, now that is no religion as far as know... and all homo's, no religion either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avlvs Libvrnivs Britannicvs Maximvs
Hitler himself had brown hair and brown eyes. So he should start with himself first. THere was no way he was going to kill everybody withour blond hair and blue eyes and a firm jaw. He just would have no one left. He only said that was the ubermensch and they should rule... but the ubermensch shouldnt rule ubermensch so, the normal mensch should be left alive, only the untermensch had to die.
and I don't recall him wanting to kill everyone that didn't speak german... German would become the official language ofcourse.
my oppinion: all WW2 Leaders were weird and crazy... i know a few things about Churchill that scares the shit out of me... the only difference was that his helpers sometimes refused to listen, where Stalins helpers never dared to refuse a thing and Hitlers helpers only started refusing when it was too late.
I would say it is a draw. But who are the other 8 of Histories most evil men...
Nero? Caligula? Genghis Khan? Nixon?
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Hello Adrian II.
Hello! Good to see you back in control. Although I recall KukriKhan doing a more than decent job as your replacement, as was to be expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by TosaInu
I see new forum sections, new gadgets. Mods are on full strength. Board looks better than ever, TosaInu.
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Originally Posted by Adrian II
Nixon? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Stop hijacking the thread Tosa :furious3:
j/k ~D
I voted Hitler, tho both are bad, voting Hitler makes more sense to me, dunno why really
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Originally Posted by Avlvs Libvrnivs Britannicvs Maximvs
Re-reading the thread. Someone said that WWII deaths in the Red Army were 'needless'. Well, shows how well he would have led in Stalin's stead... "no! Don't retaliate against the Nazis! We cannot have deaths!"
ALBM: I don't even know where to start with your post. The list is completely wrong, Hitler and the Nazi's PROMOTED pagan ideas. They weren't hardcore christians.
It's spelt "heil", not "hail"
If he wanted to "beat and kill all foreign leaders", why did he install puppets like Mussolini for the SRI and Tiso for Slovakia?
And why are the Romans better? They subjugated many more ethnic groups than the Germans did for their small size, and made them into slaves. They also killed foreign leaders. So do the Americans, look at Saddam.
By the way, Stalin did have nukes. For a few years before his death, actually. I don't see any records of a 3rd nuclear strike by Stalin, do you?
So, if you feel like saying such things again, please DON'T make it off the top of your head. Actually learn something about the topic you're discussing...
From what I know about Hitler, that is what I believed he would have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
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Originally Posted by Caravel
pffff Tosa can hijack every thread... i mean... we are good but he is God... so... HE IS THE ULTIMATE POWER, THE GOD OF DOT-ORGUS... haven't you read my story describing his ultimate fight with Dev Dave...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Welkom Terug Adriaan Twee :clown: :bow:
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Originally Posted by The Stranger