Special Items (eg Sword of Mohammed)

In my turkish campaign one of my faction heirs had a "sword of mohammed". In his retinue, picture of a sword etc. etc. which gave it's bearer +1 piety and +2 command, it passes between leaders unlike any of the retinue members that are people.

Thought that was kind of cool, and something i havent' noticed from playing any other factions (spainish/scottish) anyone else found any more items like it?

Assasians can get better blades, as well as Princesses can.

Thats all I know of.

My Assassin also got a Better Blade and Explosives, had full skill and was wreaking havoc among the Holy Roman Empire capital. Blowing up buildings (I can never get tired of that wmv), assassinating diplomatics, princesses, generals, and anything else in reach. However, he felt his demise when a prince opened a door in such a furious rage, that the assassin hiding behind had his skull crushed in. Such a shame.

But that item certainly sounds awesome! Albeit it, while I think the boosts maybe should be a bit bigger, I think its incredibly neat that you can attain the Sword of Muhammad and lead Islam to victory.

Hrm... I wonder if there's a Spear of Nazareth...

My general got a Spear of destiny after completing a crusade (in Antioch!, maybe its just a coincidence)...It says that its a legendary item and that the one who ownes it will rule the word but if he losses it, then he'll die. Must try if that's true:laugh4: )

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Originally Posted by Quin

My general got a Spear of destiny after completing a crusade (in Antioch!, maybe its just a coincidence)...It says that its a legendary item and that the one who ownes it will rule the word but if he losses it, then he'll die. Must try if that's true:laugh4: )

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That my friend, is the Spear of Nazareth! The very spear that punctured the flesh of Christ, and was forever blessed! Thats really cool! (Also, the Spear -WAS- recovered in a cave in Antioch during a Crusade!) Wow, this is a pretty neat little feature. Don't lose that thing now :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by TigerVX

That my friend, is the Spear of Nazareth! The very spear that punctured the flesh of Christ, and was forever blessed! Thats really cool! (Also, the Spear -WAS- recovered in a cave in Antioch during a Crusade!) Wow, this is a pretty neat little feature. Don't lose that thing now :laugh4:

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Yeah, I know that:smash: . That's why I wrote it was sort of funny when I got it after completing a crusade in Antioch.

talking about special stuff.. yesterday I had a cool future

I was slaying hungary when all of a sudden the SON of their king said to me:

"Kill my father. He is an infidel who doesnt know how to rule this country. Kill him and we will fight side by side forever."

Well something along that lines. Thats a super cool future :D

My Egyptian sultan got Muhammeds "holy mantle" with a piety of +2. But that is the only special item I have seen so far. Since the sultan is old I have already given it away to a younger general.

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Originally Posted by TigerVX

(Also, the Spear -WAS- recovered in a cave in Antioch during a Crusade!) Wow, this is a pretty neat little feature. Don't lose that thing now :laugh4:

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:inquisitive:

Strange how it was found by the crusade's leaders just when the crusade was besieged and hitting rock bottom morale. Hmm....

I found the Holy Chalice after conquering Jerusalem. Only gives +1 piety though, kinda weak for such a legendary item :P

legendary items are somehow too weak IMHO. Also it would be great if, once found and then lost (say you didn't transfer them) they could randomly appear some time later in any province on the map.

As for the SOD...As I know it wasn't found in the cave but in the church floor of the Antioch's cathedral. It was excavated by Peter the Bartholomew (spelling) who had a vision that it was there. He later went under ordeal by fire to prove himself but died some days later after being badly burnt. It is true, though, that significant portoin of crusading army believed that the object he demonstrated was indeed the SOD (actually it was probably the head of roman standard) so morale went up and they were able to repel Muslims beseiging the city...

I think it is pretty ok as it is now, I mean the effects of the items. After all, the game is mostly trying for realism.

However, I think that overall having transferrable special items makes the game a lot more versatile for modding. Arthurian mod can have Excalibur, giving a lot of boost to a generals hp valor etc.

Also, some fantasy mods might have enchanted items that are not necessary even unique.

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Originally Posted by Snarkfarfar

I found the Holy Chalice after conquering Jerusalem. Only gives +1 piety though, kinda weak for such a legendary item :P

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Yeah, the same thing happened to me. I was a little surprised to only get +1 piety after recovering the holy grail! Still, I think they're a nice touch

Interesting story, I hadn't heard about that Spear of Destiny thing.

We have/had the same thing going in France with Joan of Arc (who else ? :) ). According to legend, during her travels at the head of her army she had a vision of a church and its altar. The church itself was insignificant if I remember clearly (small no-name village church, not say the Cathedral of Chartres), but they say that behind the altar she removed a paving slab and found a rusty sword. When she took it in her hands, the rust vanished. I can't remember whose sword it was supposed to be though.

Of course everyone deemed it a miracle, morale soared, the english were routed afterwards etc...

I've always wondered if it was an elaborate plot on the part of Joan :
- "oh, look, a church, let's go pray ! *shuffle shuffle* Guys ! I found a miraculous sword, isn't it neat ?!"
- "You planted that !"
- "Nu-uh !"
, or an "urban legend" dating from way back that was being retold.

And of course, there's the matter of the pieces of the True Cross, which were so numerous in Christendom the Cross must have been the size of a boat ;)

For some reason the assassins I train in Constantinople after building the gunpowder building have Prototype Pistol. IIRC it gives a +1 to skill and +2 to order helping keep whatever city they are in peaceful.

Pretty odd but since they have not been much use in other ways its a nice plus.

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We have/had the same thing going in France with Joan of Arc (who else ? :) ). According to legend, during her travels at the head of her army she had a vision of a church and its altar. The church itself was insignificant if I remember clearly (small no-name village church, not say the Cathedral of Chartres), but they say that behind the altar she removed a paving slab and found a rusty sword. When she took it in her hands, the rust vanished. I can't remember whose sword it was supposed to be though.

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The sword was Charlemagne's, the "Father of France" - which was why it was so astounding that she found it.

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Originally Posted by Quin

Yeah, I know that:smash: . That's why I wrote it was sort of funny when I got it after completing a crusade in Antioch.

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IIRC when reading the first crusade forget the author the spear ( or a piece of metal dug up from a cathedral) was recovered during the seige of antioch. IIRC the leder of the peoples crusade (was it peter??) had a dream where the location was revealed to him. it was after this discovery that the christian army sallied out of the fort and defeated the muslim army beseiging them. so the game was correct as far i know cool! if i got my facts wrong my apologies. all the pots giving me a real bad memory :oops:

can we transfer relics between generals? are the limit of retinues and items per each character still 8? Relics such as tooth, cross, spear, sword are transferrable? I know human attachments (retinues) cannot be transferred now. What about physical objects such as relics, weapons, items and such? all of you who own relics, can you try and tell me?

I'd like to know that too,actually

It's not as spectacular as the Spear of Destiny, but my prince started out the campaign with this little trinket:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ster/relic.jpg

While we're on the subject of cool features, check out this crossdresser:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ossdresser.jpg

...and this senile old mentor obviously found the wrong person to attach himself to:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ster/butch.jpg

Playing on M/M (yeah, yeah) for my first game as England. After suffering unduly right off the bat at the hands of NPC Inquisitors burninating nearly all my Princes I decided to *make the Pope happy* above all else.

Well, gunpowder just hit and by now there is an English Pope and I've got a huge amount of Cardinals in the College. Only problem is the Pope and a good half of my Cardinals are secretly women! If this gets out there could be trouble...

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Originally Posted by Comrade Alexeo

The sword was Charlemagne's, the "Father of France" - which was why it was so astounding that she found it.

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Makes sense. In my head it was a toss-up between Charlemagne's, Roland's (Charlemagne's best and most trusted knight) or Charles Martel's, all three men powerful symbols regarding what Joan was struggling to achieve - unification of the French provinces and their petty thinking into a collective "France" unity, a patriotic spirit, the concept of a nation...

Which makes it even more suspicious considering that SoD story - both leaders miraculously finding the precise item embodying the very cause and fervour they were trying to instill in their men... in places placing emphasis on their own faith/culture as opposed to that of their foes... Call me Mr. Skeptical Paranoid, but I smell propaganda :stupido2:

But then again, maybe both legends are merely early examples of retconning and revisionism - maybe none of that nonsense really happened, but later biased historians included them in their chronicles to make events appear as though they were meant to be, Dieu le veult, instead of them owing to the virtue of individuals...

Ah, well :focus:

so if u have something like the sword of mohammed .can u pass it down to one of your sons?if so how ?

Just confirming that the "Sword of Mohammed" does pass between family members. Same as in RTW just drag and drop the icon from one retinue to the other.

ps:- as someone else said, can't wait for some mods to come out using this feature. Artificact mod pak download anyone...?

One of my Assassins has the following (cant remember statsfor all )


*Experimental hand guns (skill and law bonus)
*Explosives(+2 sabotage)
*Catamite (+1 skill)
* Experienced Coutesan (+1 skill)
* Young apprentice (?)

He is teh awesome - killed most of Sicillian Royal Family :skull:

I actually just picked up an item called the "Pick of Destiny" while on crusade

apparently it lets my faction leader form the greatest rock band ever

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Originally Posted by pat the magnificent

I actually just picked up an item called the "Pick of Destiny" while on crusade

apparently it lets my faction leader form the greatest rock band ever

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I just lol-ed when I read that. ~:)

I just got the Veil of Veronica, after a succesful crusade against Jerusalem.

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One of my Assassins has the following (cant remember statsfor all )


*Experimental hand guns (skill and law bonus)
*Explosives(+2 sabotage)
*Catamite (+1 skill)
* Experienced Coutesan (+1 skill)
* Young apprentice (?)

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Should'nt it be used courtesan

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Interesting story, I hadn't heard about that Spear of Destiny thing.

We have/had the same thing going in France with Joan of Arc (who else ? :) ). According to legend, during her travels at the head of her army she had a vision of a church and its altar. The church itself was insignificant if I remember clearly (small no-name village church, not say the Cathedral of Chartres), but they say that behind the altar she removed a paving slab and found a rusty sword. When she took it in her hands, the rust vanished. I can't remember whose sword it was supposed to be though.

Of course everyone deemed it a miracle, morale soared, the english were routed afterwards etc...

I've always wondered if it was an elaborate plot on the part of Joan :
- "oh, look, a church, let's go pray ! *shuffle shuffle* Guys ! I found a miraculous sword, isn't it neat ?!"
- "You planted that !"
- "Nu-uh !"
, or an "urban legend" dating from way back that was being retold.

And of course, there's the matter of the pieces of the True Cross, which were so numerous in Christendom the Cross must have been the size of a boat ;)

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i heard that story in the AOE2 Joan of Arc campaign. and there must be pieces of the True Cross.

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Originally Posted by Comrade Alexeo

The sword was Charlemagne's, the "Father of France" - which was why it was so astounding that she found it.

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dont you mean Grandfather of France?

If I remember correctly, at Hattin, Saladin had a piece of the true cross to inspire his Christian (Many Armenians, yay!) mercenaries and to demoralize his also Christian foes. Very smart win/win situation.
Cool items, I'll have to remember these when I play the game. (I think the post man is holding out on me)

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If I remember correctly, at Hattin, Saladin had a piece of the true cross to inspire his Christian (Many Armenians, yay!) mercenaries and to demoralize his also Christian foes. Very smart win/win situation.
Cool items, I'll have to remember these when I play the game. (I think the post man is holding out on me)

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What actually happened was that when the Crusaders marched, they brought pieces of the True Cross with them. When the battle began to go against the Crusaders it was placed in Guy de Lusignon's tent as a kind of last-ditch rallying point. As we all know, though, the Crusader army was utterly destroyed and THEN Saladin recovered the Cross.


To God's Grace: -shrug- If he is, then my bad I guess - medieval history isn't my forte. Point of the story still stands though.

When crusading to Jerusalem, I just found this:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ster/crown.jpg

Crown of Thorns! Pretty cool. I also had a laugh at my merchant carrying this item around:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ter/abacus.jpg

I like the quote particulary.

Successful Jihad with the Egyptians against Jerusalem led my commander to gain "Mohammed's Footprint". Mohammeds footprint set in clay, in a small golden box, and I believe it granted +2 Piety for the General.

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When crusading to Jerusalem, I just found this:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ster/crown.jpg

Crown of Thorns! Pretty cool. I also had a laugh at my merchant carrying this item around:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ter/abacus.jpg

I like the quote particulary.

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Love the trick abacus, I must have it!

I got Solomon's signet ring as france on crusade into jerusalem...how does one take screenshots in Medieval II?

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I got Solomon's signet ring as france on crusade into jerusalem...how does one take screenshots in Medieval II?

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Print Screen. They're saved in the "tgas" folder.

I found Marco Polo. He gives +15% movement and +10% trade. Too bad he turned up on a priest so the trade thing is void.

https://img293.imageshack.us/img293/466/poloii8.jpg

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I got Solomon's signet ring as france on crusade into jerusalem...

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So how many djinns and effrits can you summon per turn with it? :jester:

Seal of Solomon - +1 Dread, -1 Piety, +2 Command when commanding cavalry. Got it when I finished a crusade to Jerusalem.

Gerard de Ridefort - Ancillery that joined me when I declared my Crusade to Jerusalem. +1 Command, +1 Authority, +1 Morale to all troops, +2 Command when attacking.

Needless to say, that ended up being one great general. He was a 3 star 19-year old when he joined the crusade. Was a 9 star when attacking by time he took Jerusalem. He basically took the middle east himself.

I had Peter the Hermit join Sultan Salih on his jihad against Edessa.

Was quite awkward.

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Originally Posted by Varam

I had Peter the Hermit join Sultan Salih on his jihad against Edessa.

Was quite awkward.

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:san_laugh: .A leader of the First Crusade joins up with an Muslim in a jihad.Only things that would make it funnier if the jihad was attacking Jerusaleum.

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Originally Posted by Stolpmeister

It's not as spectacular as the Spear of Destiny, but my prince started out the campaign with this little trinket:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ster/relic.jpg

While we're on the subject of cool features, check out this crossdresser:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ossdresser.jpg

...and this senile old mentor obviously found the wrong person to attach himself to:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ster/butch.jpg

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Is it possible that I am the only one who laughed to tears with the "little trinket" ~:joker: ? It must be the most hilarious special item in the game :cheerleader: . It fits with the superstition of the time where tons of Holy Bones and True Cross were "on the market". By the way, it still happens at a lesser scale...

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In my campaign as the Moors, too, General Quasim got Peter the Hermit on a Jihad for Leon ~:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by TigerVX

That my friend, is the Spear of Nazareth! The very spear that punctured the flesh of Christ, and was forever blessed! Thats really cool! (Also, the Spear -WAS- recovered in a cave in Antioch during a Crusade!) Wow, this is a pretty neat little feature. Don't lose that thing now :laugh4:

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Except that it's been proven now that the spear was manufactured during the Middle Ages, and isn't what it was claimed to be. :wink:

All the Mohammed's items are transferrable btw.

In my current game I can't find Mohammed's sword. Is there a specific location for it or are all the items randomised ?

One of my princesses has a chastity belt (-1 to charm and -10% movement points "ya think"). Later she picked up a secret lover (how'd that happen?)...guess she figured out how to pick the lock on the chastity belt! Now all she needs is a catamite and voila...the TRIFECTA!!!!!!!!!

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I found Marco Polo. He gives +15% movement and +10% trade. Too bad he turned up on a priest so the trade thing is void.

https://img293.imageshack.us/img293/466/poloii8.jpg

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Obviously part of the bugged Traits and Ancilliaries... He should of course have been issued to a general.

Did his MP bonus at least show up for this priest? And did you try to 'hand' him over to a general?

Good question Sir Kraxis.

About that not so chasity babe, oh my freakin goat !!!
Secret lover and chastity belt.. LMAO.

my brother got a "veronica's cloth" (the thing with the painted facial image of christ) or something after completing a crusade using france. gerard (the knight templar) appears when you join the crusade, ive played england twice and he always joins my retinue.

I've had a spy get "Forged Papers" that gave +1 to his skill which I could transfer.

Thanks for the info ! Seems obvious enough but I never thought abou that.

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I've had a spy get "Forged Papers" that gave +1 to his skill which I could transfer.

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Good news. :2thumbsup:

He can??? Damn...

Anyway it is rather easy to get. Just let your spy stay in an enemy city long enough and he will get it.

I tried to transfer a bunch of forged papers from veterans to newbies, did'nt work. So I went looking into the files and found this:


Ancillary false_documents
Type Item
Transferable 0
Image item_documents.tga
ExcludeCultures mesoamerican
Description false_documents_desc
EffectsDescription false_documents_effects_desc
Effect Subterfuge 1

So if this is the correct item it is not transferrable or else it would have 1 instead of 0.
It is the correct item right ? I can't find any 'forged papers' in the ancillary file.

List of all ancillaries available in the game:

academic_advisor
accomplice
actor
adultress
adultress_foreign
adultress_she_man
albertus_magnus
alchemist
aldus_manutius
amerigo_vespucci
anthony_of_padua
apothecary
architect
ark_of_the_covenant
armour_custom
armour_ornate
arnold_von_winkelried
artist
assassins_apprentice
assassins_blade
astrologer
bard
beguiling_bard
bertrand_du_guesclin
biographer
black_stallion
bodyguard
bridle_of_constantine
brilliant_inventor
caravan_driver
catamite
chastity_belt
chevalier_de_bayard
choir_boy
counterfeiter
courtesan
crooked_judge
crown_of_thorns
dancer
dark_apprentice
deacon
delicate_blade
diplomatic_escort
doctor
donatello
drillmaster
enchanted_broom
eunuch
evil_mother-in-law
executioner
exotic_gifts
explosives
faithful_servant
false_documents
false_relic
femme_fatale
fine_cosmetics
foodtaster
fool_brilliant
fool_usual
foreign_dignitary
fragment_of_the_black_stone
francesco_petrarca
francis_of_assisi
geoffrey_chaucer
george_of_antioch
gerard_de_ridefort
hair_from_mohammeds_beard
handgun
harsh_judge
herald
hildegard_von_bingen
holy_chalice
holy_grail
holy_lance
holy_mantle
holy_prepuce
holy_quran
holy_shroud
ibn_khaldun
icon_not_made_by_hands
intrepid_explorer
iron_crown_of_lombardy
jan_zizka
joan_of_arc
johannes_faustes
john_gutenberg
john_wycliffe
key_to_holy_kaaba
knight_beserker
knight_chivalrous
knight_crusader
knight_dread
knight_santiago
knight_stjohn
knight_templar
knight_teutonic
lancebearer
librarian
lock_of_kaaba
machiavelli
magician
magician_pagan
marco_polo
martin_luther
master_mason
master_of_archers
master_of_assassins
master_of_horse
master_smith
mathematician
meister_eckhart
mentor
mercenary_captain
merchant_clerk
michaelangelo
military_engineer
mohammeds_footprint
money_counter
monk
musician
naive_knight
naval_gunner
naval_navigator
nicolau_copernicus
niels_ebbesen
nosy_mother
nun
obsessed_suitor
ordinance_master
overseer
paladin
paracelsus
pet_bloodhound
pet_guarddog
pet_monkey
peter_the_hermit
physician
pickpocket
pierre_abelard
poisoner
priest
quartermaster
raphael
roger_bacon
roger_de_moulins
royal_escort
royal_seminarian
runner
scout
scribe_ancillary
seal_of_solomon
secret_love
shard_of_the_true_cross
shieldbearer
shipwright
siege_engineer
simon_de_montfort
sir_william_wallace
slaver
smothering_bodyguard
soil_from_mohammeds_grave
soothsayer
spyglass
spymaster
standard_of_mohammed
strapping_stallion
stunning_handmaiden
swift_steed
swiss_guard
sword_of_mohammed
swordbearer
taticius
tax_farmer
the_lemegeton
tooth_of_mohammed
torturer
translator
treasurer
trick_abacus
trusty_steed
tutor
vasco_de_gama
veil_of_veronica
veteran_warrior
vlad_tepes
witch_hunter
yappy_little_dog
zealous_disciple

Looks like you can get the Ninja Turtles...

Thanks. That's what I thought, there is no forged papers, false documents is it..

Hey ! Can you repost that with 1 next those which are transferrable please ?

EDIT: That's a joke :P ;)

These are transferrable, most are not (36 of 189):

academic_advisor
alchemist
apothecary
ark_of_the_covenant
assassins_apprentice
bard
black_stallion
bodyguard
bridle_of_constantine
caravan_driver
crown_of_thorns
fragment_of_the_black_stone
hair_from_mohammeds_beard
holy_chalice
holy_grail
holy_lance
holy_mantle
holy_prepuce
holy_quran
holy_shroud
icon_not_made_by_hands
iron_crown_of_lombardy
key_to_holy_kaaba
lock_of_kaaba
mohammeds_footprint
seal_of_solomon
shard_of_the_true_cross
soil_from_mohammeds_grave
standard_of_mohammed
sword_of_mohammed
tooth_of_mohammed
translator
treasurer
trusty_steed
tutor
veil_of_veronica

AWESOME ! Thanks ! Appreciate it.

Hmm standard of Mohammed ? The black one I assume ? That would be very cool if the general who had it, had it on the field. That is when you went to battle with that general, he would have that standard. Ultimate.

....getting carried away.

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List of all ancillaries available in the game:

Looks like you can get the Ninja Turtles...

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I see all of them there except Leonardo.

Great work Dismal on that ancillary list. It's the most complete I've seen so far. Is it a totally complete list? Any chance you have a similar list of traits laying around?

Having had a look at the files myself, one thing to remember with the named characters is that they can be ferociously difficult to get. Mainly because they are only available to a single specific faction and only between certain turns.

Also you sometimes have to have just fought a battle against a specific faction.

The turns limitations can be nasty. For example both William Wallace and Joan of Arc give you just 8 turns in which to acquire them, and you need to be fighting England with battle odds of less than 1.

Naturally the less powerful ones are easier to get.

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Great work Dismal on that ancillary list. It's the most complete I've seen so far. Is it a totally complete list? Any chance you have a similar list of traits laying around?

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I extracted them from the export_descr_ancillaries.txt file, so that should be all of 'em.

There are over 1000 VnVs so I'm a little hesitant to post the list.

Where do you find that file?

Here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=73971

I have to say I like this ancillary thing a lot more than RTW. This is waaay cool. Now if I could figure how to get some....

I was fighting egypt and the byzantines at the same time when I saw 'The Sword of Mohammad' on my sultan.. I didn't fight in any special places... Dunno where he found it... But he died peacefully and it passed on to my new sultan...

Wouldn't it be great if it worked like Diablo 2.

For example, complete the set of Mohammed for extra bonuses. Or maybe a holy relic set for those budding Christian Kings.

You could even add trading to the mix! Just picture the King of France trading his Sword of Mohammed for a Sultans Holy Grail (since you always get the items you can't use and all that..)


(And on a slightly more serious note, "adultress_she_man"? I'll have to keep an eye out for that one)

For any D2 nuts out there, I think this would make a nice set.

Complete set Jesus' Garb :
Crown Of Thorns - +1 all miracle skills
Holy Sandals - movement points +10%, resistance to sand +30
Beard Of Preaching - Increased loyalty, 50% chance to cast conversion
Loincloth Of The Trinity - +3 when defending peacefully, +3 all attributes

Complete set bonus - 100% chance to die against Romans, 100% chance religion find, 100% chance of inspiring a hilarious Monty Python film.

Why not create your own inspiring look for this garb here http://www.jesusdressup.com/#

Most relics are obtained when your general conquers a specific city. 10% chance normally, 30% if the fellow is on crusade or jihad. 60% chance of it passing down to his son, 30% chance of prying it from his cold, dead hands if you kill him in battle.

I started a Egypt campaign and during one of my Ebil Jihads I got Mohammrds Hair :)