"Mess" on twcenter.net

Hey everyone! I don't know where else to put this, so I'll just ask here:

I just visited twcenter.net for some board-browsing, but then I saw that there seems to be something like a mod-war going on there. I never noticed what someone called "that mess here". Would someone of the guys who frequent both the ORG and TWC care to tell me what has happened to make that informative site go down just minutes ago?

I find it rather sad that personal quarrels over a game can cause so much trouble... :no:

I liked that site... :embarassed:

It is quite simple.
The entire staff and 70% moderators at TWC got fired yesterday by the guys that own the server.
The staff got no explanations nor any warning.
Instead they installed a member that was banned for flaming and other things to be sole-admin.
The moderators that were left resigned, me inclueded because we either disagreed or refused to serve under that incompetent fool(my reason).
The other members started speaking up against this and in return they got banned.
Then more of us got furious by this behavior and started attacking the admin for his incompetence and in return we got banned as well.
Right now the situation is chaotic to say the least.
There are only 3 moderators(inclueding the admin himself) for that entire forum.
And one of the moderators got appointed yesterday.
That moderator is a known CA-basher and loves to flame other people and was gonna get banned as well but thanks to the IQ of the admin he is now a moderator instead.
To put it simple, TWC is dead.

But a new site is in the making by the old staff members and it will be like TWC before this whole mess started.

Ouch! How stupid... :no:

Well, I'm glad "the good guys" don't let themselves down and are creating a new, clean site! :yes:

Thanks for clearing it up for me! :2thumbsup:

You are welcome dude :bow:

TWC is owned by Ogres Net, but until recently has been run by community members as site admins.

Recently ON have been meddling more and more in the running of their sites, which has caused issues on other boards, not just TWC. Suggested changes to administraotr access, reducing the number of administrators to three have angered staff on several ON forums, but would have hit TWC hardest, since we had about 8 admin. But lets face it, we were a massive site.

For unexplained reasons, a former moderator, who was for a time banned for Terms of Service violations, is known to be incompetant, was a known spammer and flamer and has no technical ability is now the sole admin of this massive site. His installtion into this role involved all other admin and most other staff members being sacked without warning or explanation. all but 1 of the remaining moderators then began resigning. Many other leading community members have been banned for being openly critical of this action.

TWC, an incredibly busy site with thousands of members, and usually 150+ logged in at any one time quite simply began to fall apart. Spam and flame became rampant. A new moderator was appointed, one i might add who is a known CA basher, but 2 mods and 1 admin cannot run a site that big even if they're online 24/7.

This state of affairs was reported to the network administrators, who have taken the advice to temporarily close the board while they try and work out what exactly to do.

With TWC's entire corps of experienced moderators and administrators gone, even should they be offered their jobs back, its unlikely any of them will want to work with someone who has been readily labelled as TWC's most hated member, and now site administrator. When you consider that those people sacked include TWCs most reputable, respected and well-known members, with great links to other community sites, and to CA, its fair to say TWC will not be able to recover from the mismanagement its suffered at the hands of its Network. I know of some mod teams who are already planning to leave the site, and with the lack of support teams are likely to get from the remaining staff, i imagine more will follow suit.

Its a great pity to see this happen to a website i used to run, and have dedicated almost 4 years of my life too, but there it goes. The people who own the server clearly want TWC to be a small nondescript unoriginal and boring fansite with a draconian staff team that nobody would want or need to visit, and thats the way its heading right now.

My advice to any other TWC members,stay here on the Org, and wait for news of the replacement site thats apparently being planned by the recently deposed site admin team.

:jawdrop:

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Originally Posted by TB666

Instead they installed a member that was banned for flaming and other things to be sole-admin.

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Sounds like a coup to me. That individual must have been whispering in the ears of the owners of the hosting for months, either that or they're the best of friends offline and have been planning this for a while. Whoever they are they don't sound particularly mature. This has happened before on other messageboards, it's because they recruit the wrong type of people and/or their server is controlled by an insecure individual. By insecure I mean a third party that is not directly involved with the site. Such people are vulnerable to the manipulation and whisperings, because they don't understand enough about the workings or organisation of the forums. Sorry to hear it's turned out like this. I hope the decent admins and mods that were kicked out unfairly can make a go at another site, avoiding any more infighting, which always destroys a messageboard.

:bow:

It's quite amazing how fast an empire can fall when a bad leader becomes in charge :yes:

I never liked TWC, but this is just sick ... so how old where the guys that owned the server and thought they could be funny? 13?

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Originally Posted by Caravel

Sounds like a coup to me.

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It is a coup IMO.
They have tried changing TWC before but because of massive uproar they backed down.
However it has gone too far this time and the damage is done.
The mods and modders for TW are leaving and the members had enough, CA will certainly not visit and post in the forum when there is a CA-basher in charge of the TW forums.
As the Black Prince said, wait until the new site is up.

Yup Ogres Net have destroyed TWC, but they have not destroyed the community. The old staff are already getting a new site up and running. We should have it up and running soon.

I've already got CA support for the new forum, and most of the mods will probably leave TWc and set up at our new forum as we can offer them hosting for their mods.

Bizarre situation...

I can only feel for the people who commited so much of their energy and time to that website, it's a disgrace to see it ruined like this. :no:

I especially worry about the mod community, which was particularly vibrant there and saw dozens, even a hundred projects start up over the last year alone. I was helping out with one project that didn't even have it's own development forum at this point, all their research may well be lost now...

Thanks to TWC people like TB666, tBP and Lusted for explaining what's going on.
I look forward to hearing about the new site.

Antagonist

Well I cant speak for the team Roma Surrectum, but personally i find what happened at TWC disgraceful. This was a very popular site with tons of quality content and great members and projects.

Hopefully the members "in exile" will keep the community alive and all the talented people keep on working hard to produce amazing stuff.

Hopefully we can get our stuff back....


Ben,
Member of Roma Surrectum mod

We have a backup of the forum from yesterday we can use(or at least i think ill chat to Sim). So your stuff should be on there, plus we are offerinh hosting for mods at our new forum, so you can upload your mod there.

And it looks like i've been banned for complaining about the new admin, oh well.

Lusted, same with me. No longer able to get to the forum. but it doesnt matter. I'm looking forward to new page.

Yes anyone who has disagreed with the new admin has gotten permabanned.

nah the forums is offline, all I can see is a blank bar thingy

Hmmm... That way he will stay there alone...:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Lusted

I've already got CA support for the new forum, and most of the mods will probably leave TWc and set up at our new forum as we can offer them hosting for their mods.

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it's good to hear that... At least I'll be able to keep playing LTC 2.x... pitty that my post count and 2 year contribution to TWC is down to one post in here :no:

ps- TWC is not even running now, that's bad.

TWC is up, just the guys banned most of the people

The fact that TWC has been down for the past 2 hours while ON wiped any trace of our existance shows how incompetant they are. We shall set up a new site, don't worry, free from ON and their incompetant administration.

JP
Ex-TWC Staff and banzored member :skull:

Yep i got permabanned aswell for objecting the second it came back online i started posting haha

rofl me and spirit of rob got banned forever, apparently:
farting in HGs general direction, is spam.:furious3:
oh well i sent him a pm about that..

btw did you know they eat babies and choke puppies?

The new admin has only 10 posts! Yea, he really knows the community :laugh4:

Quick, someone find an eager doctoral student to do a post-mortem and send it to SlashDot...

This is simply bizarre. Condolences to everyone who put a lot of time and energy into TWC, and best of luck getting that new site going.

This is awful! What confuses me is why Ogre's Network wanted to install a new admin anyway? From what I saw you guys were doing a great job. Anyhow I wish you immense amounts of good luck with the new site. I also hope that Ogre's Network takes off this tyrant and reinstates the rightful rulers. Good luck again and cheers.

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

This is awful! What confuses me is why Ogre's Network wanted to install a new admin anyway? From what I saw you guys were doing a great job. Anyhow I wish you immense amounts of good luck with the new site. I also hope that Ogre's Network takes off this tyrant and reinstates the rightful rulers. Good luck again and cheers.

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orges net is the tyrant. they orcastraited the whole thing

And now the dictator is banning people he simply dislikes.
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like me and rob for a example :2thumbsup:

May I ask, is "Richard the Lionheart" this new "hated" site administrator?

Yes he is, and he is locking all threads where people dissagree with backstab...

Yes aka Honor and glory.
But as you can see he has no honor nor glory.

or brains hahah

He made a post asking for new mods ~D

and he has over 10.000 posts, somehow I doubt that

Ow, so now they are down again...

yup sure is :laugh4:
all them farts i sent them must of paid off

Guys, I'm sorry to be the one to point this out but how are you going to tell everybody about this new site if you can't post on TWC?

Well I will be glad to join the new community at the new forum once it is up. Should clean out a lot of the people who don't care about the community, as they will stay at TWC.. still its sad.

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

Guys, I'm sorry to point this out but how are you going to tell everybody about this new site if you can't post on TWC?

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Advertise on .com and .org ~D

have someone who isnt yet banned (me for example) post it here and there, then get banned I guess..

word of mouth, many of us know each other through msn... advertising on .com...


plus, not everyones been banned

last i checked, i hadn't been (though i'm waiting for ON to read what i wrote here lol)


TWC is down offline for me right now, anyone know if i'm banned yet? lol

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

Guys, I'm sorry to be the one to point this out but how are you going to tell everybody about this new site if you can't post on TWC?

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Don't worry.
I just read from the dictator himself that TWC will no longer by a gaming forum.
It will be a network forum.

Damn, each second someone gets banned! I hope the new site is as good as the original TWC.

huh, i was away from twc for couple of days and now H&G is the ruller?! TWC is down again and maybe i'll get banned soon.... can't wait for the new site

Are you able to open a TWC page? I always got site is offline...

TWC is down now because they are resetting all the accounts.

It's down, and I think he's changing it to some other site currently.

EDIT: My artifex promotion, barely a few days :( , and now he pops up and rules TWC!

Do you guys mean that he is destroying the TW bit of TWC?

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

Do you mean that he is destroying the TW bit of TWC?

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Yep, there is no more TW nor will it ever be.
All the mods are gone as well

It is something unacceptable... it is like making Hitler a mayor judge in Norimberg tribunal... sooner new site will be up, the better.

they've deleted all the mods? and all the material that was in the modding forums???

bloody gods above...


how can there be a Total War Center without the total war lol?

Will my account still have the same #posts, rank...etc. because I heard Lusted backed up the site.

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<richard_lionheart> its likley that they have ideas for the forum, possibly not TW related
<NecroBrit> Will they be announcing an uptate on an announcement forthcoming?
<richard_lionheart> the members that i banned will be allowed back once everything is sorted
<RZZZA> great, they have ideas do they? wonderful...cant wait to hear this. have they shceduled lobotomies for us all>?
<richard_lionheart> all mods will be removed from the website
<richard_lionheart> (modifications)
<G-Drakan> WHAT?
<G-Drakan> Jesus...
<NecroBrit> eh?
<_God> oh fantastic
<richard_lionheart> not my doing folks
<RZZZA> what a lie that is
<richard_lionheart> believe it or not im trying to get things back to normal
<NecroBrit> So... getting web traffic is a bad thing these days huh?
<G-Drakan> By removing the biggest source of traffic for twc?

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<richard_lionheart> TW Center will be changed from a gaming forum to a network/general forum
<Sher_Khan> Honor, surely you can mediate some compromise with ON for members like imb49..
<Sher_Khan> Huh?
<G-Drakan> Why will it be called TWCenter then?
<Sher_Khan> A network/general forum?

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:no:

i love the comment how this isnt his doing and he wants it back to normal

Yes! Banned as well!
And I have evidence of 37 deleted posts (btw this was at least an hour ago.. so make it more now)
https://i120.photobucket.com/albums/...w/untitled.jpg
https://i120.photobucket.com/albums/.../untitled2.jpg

Thats a who's who list of who's been to TWC. :yes:

With the modifications gone TWC will crash and burn - although seeing as it won't be TWC anymore, that may not be such a bad thing.

what a liar!

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Originally Posted by Your good friend Richard

Nothing has been necessarily deleted. They are hidden and access is restricted. This of course was not done immediately, it was done after several members (who are banned for now) attempted to damage the website and the network as a whole.

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I have to type something, you can't just post quotes

Hi guys, greetings from TWC =)
Just heard about these "changes" and I'm getting out of there. Eagerly waiting for the new site now. I still have an account, so I'll try to save some guys from there.:laugh4:
Good luck to you all TWC-veterans, do note when your site is ready. I'll be there.

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Originally Posted by Spartacus-FIN-

Hi guys, greetings from TWC =)
Just heard about these "changes" and I'm getting out of there. Eagerly waiting for the new site now. I still have an account, so I'll try to save some guys from there.:laugh4:
Good luck to you all TWC-veterans, do note when your site is ready. I'll be there.

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hehe good, get as many as you can and notify them of what will happen.
Especially the modders.

@ stigs quote

haha moron several members tried to harm the site exactly what is it he is doing then, oh look calling himself your good friend richard must of course mean hes a good guy.

quite frankly the guy is the lowest piece of sputum it has ever been my misfortunte to encounter

Anyone wanna bet how many "revolutions there's gonna be this year?

Was it 3 last year? :D

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Originally Posted by spirit_of_rob

@ stigs quote

haha moron several members tried to harm the site exactly what is it he is doing then, oh look calling himself your good friend richard must of course mean hes a good guy.

quite frankly the guy is the lowest piece of sputum it has ever been my misfortunte to encounter

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i fart deficated feces on orgesnet and HG
http://www.ogresnet.com/forums/showt...2184#post42184
even the antichrist hates orgesnet

im sorry, this is the biggest load of shite out there.

F*** you H&G and F*** you Ogre.

you are both C***

didn't know there wasn;t a censor!

The whole thing is ridiculous - I can't believe they would do something so stupid. I would invite you to hang out over here more though now if you like. :grin: I tend to think it's a pretty good place (as my post count probably indicates).

Oh incidently i apologise for any behaviour on here that offends unless it offends H&G in which case no apology

Should anyone happen to see someone from ON or TWCs new staff here, you can tell them that if i see any article i wrote, anything i designed, anything i have Intellectual Property rights on anywhere on any ON site, i will be taking legal action. I maintain copies of all my material, i can prove whats mine and what isn't.

dito all of the above post
if i see a ON or HG here ill tar and feather em~!

I just cant believe my eyes...

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Originally Posted by the Black Prince

Should anyone happen to see someone from ON or TWCs new staff here, you can tell them that if i see any article i wrote, anything i designed, anything i have Intellectual Property rights on anywhere on any ON site, i will be taking legal action. I maintain copies of all my material, i can prove whats mine and what isn't.

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hmmnnn...

I think I may also have a case on this :smash:

yep i think all my skin packs were removed but just in case i missed some the same goes for me

God ,I just read Spirit of Robs heads up and thought I'd head here and find out whats going on. I can't believe they banned lusted and spirit of rob (your warning was very helpful) .Are the modders of EB banned? surely they can't delete anyones work :furious3:

Quick, everyone jump on the totalwar.org lifeboat! Hurra land ho!

*Turns and watches the sinking TWC*

God dam Honor and Glory iceburg, we never saw it coming...

This:smash: whole mess is just ridiculous.I hope that the new site will be good,but then my main place of intrest has always been here in the Org.So life goes on.

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Originally Posted by Fondor_Yards

Quick, everyone jump on the totalwar.org lifeboat! Hurra land ho!

*Turns and watches the sinking TWC*

God dam Honor and Glory iceburg, we never saw it coming...

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Actually we did.
However we was assured that he would never take power by ON.
They lied:shame:

As I am not a frequent visitor of the TWC (primarily due to the lack of time) I am unable to pass any judgement with regard to who is the blame, but it is quite sad to see a popular TW-site in such distress, and it is obvious that some people (whoever that might be) apparently set some wrong priorities here and put personal pride above the service for the community (which should be the purpose of such a site)

All the best for setting up the new site, guys - and I hope that all the work that a lot of community members invested in the content of TWC is not lost...

I am a Lurker. I have Lurked for years. Two weeks ago I broke down and registered at TWC because of all the mods and I thought maybe I should get involved in a community I have, lets face it, leeched off of since MTW. I was just getting comfortable posting every once in a while when BOOM! TWC blows up in my face. I can come only one conclusion: it's my fault. I broke a sacred covenant. I am a Lurker and at no time should I EVER register at a forum. I knew this and did it anyway and the Forum Gods were watching and were much displeased. So they smote TWC in their righteous fury. My bad.

Of course to post this I had to register here. Uh oh....

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Originally Posted by Hotspur II

Of course to post this I had to register here. Uh oh....

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Prepare to be assimilated :stare:

Hey all,

I cannot believe what has happened. I'm stunned, stunned I tell you!

I will join the new boards thats for sure. just point the way!

jopo